Jondesu he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: Yeah, that's the real question. Did they skip their kill as an unusual play to take advantage of the detainment (which suggests they were expecting the detainment, which is highly indicative of Orlok being an elim), or was it due to inexperience or a miscommunication or something along those lines? What weird decisions have they made other than skipping the first kill? Killing an inactive is a bit unusual, especially early. It was probably to keep us from getting info from the kill, but usually they would have gone for someone like Orlok, who had a revealed role, or an experienced player who they think might be a threat. Heck, I was a first night kill once, and I'm not usually seen as that much of a threat. Edit: I suppose that could point to a member of the Contribution Crusade, but it also could have been done to make us suspect those players, so that's an unhelpful IKYK line of logic to follow. Edited June 5, 2017 by Jondesu
Sparkrunner he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 19 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: What weird decisions have they made other than skipping the first kill? Well, that comment certainly points out an elim or unhelpful village, because that is probably what I would do if I was a skindancer. Skip the first kill and make the village lynch someone innocent? Seems reasonably obvious. I think a lot of you SE players believe that the elims are going to hold to a stereotype. OOR you are an elim, trying to seem like a dumb villager. Your comment "weird decisions" seems far too overdone to me.
Stick. she/her Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 Um, well, okay. Don't know what to make of this now; I was expecting to be dead. And I certainly didn't expect this many people to vote on Dalinar, tbh. Thing is, I dont get why the lynch was diverted that late in the cycle, it would make sense if the elims were trying to save one of their own. Could they possibly be hoping that with that narrow lynch escape, people would start being even more suspicious of me? Probably. Speaking of which, what happened to Jond's vote? Soothed? I half-expect someone to claim responsibility for it, and I half-expect that someone to be an Agent trying to gain the villagers' trust. 2 hours ago, The Flash said: Stick. Pm. Okay, you'll receive the PM the next turn :P 3 minutes ago, The Flash said: Is it normal for them to kill an inactive? They do it to minimize the amount of information the village gets from the kill. Also, most of the times, people tend to expect the elims to kill the most active contributors. But at times those active contributors are elims trying to look like villagers. So if the elims keep killing in-actives, the villagers will have no reason to point out the most active [supposing they're an elim] and ask them why they aren't dead yet, because the elims haven't killed any active contributors. I guess Orlok wasn't attacked because this is what they wanted? The village to be suspicious of him? They know we'll expect them to target Orlok with the night kill, so maybe that's why they didn't?
Yitzi2 Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Cluny the Scourge said: Well, that comment certainly points out an elim or unhelpful village, because that is probably what I would do if I was a skindancer. Skip the first kill and make the village lynch someone innocent? Seems reasonably obvious. I think a lot of you SE players believe that the elims are going to hold to a stereotype. OOR you are an elim, trying to seem like a dumb villager. Your comment "weird decisions" seems far too overdone to me. Perhaps you didn't notice that I was responding to Jondesu's statement about the elims making weird decisions?
Sparkrunner he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) I am starting to not like Jondesu either. There are a few things I am watching for, so be careful when you talk to people. Edited June 5, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge
Jondesu he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said: Well, that comment certainly points out an elim or unhelpful village, because that is probably what I would do if I was a skindancer. Skip the first kill and make the village lynch someone innocent? Seems reasonably obvious. I think a lot of you SE players believe that the elims are going to hold to a stereotype. OOR you are an elim, trying to seem like a dumb villager. Your comment "weird decisions" seems far too overdone to me. Wrong game with the Skindancers; this game has Venture Agents trying to kill us off. 11 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said: I am starting to not like Jondesu either. There are a few things I am watching for, so be careful when you talk to people. Mind telling me what makes you suspect me? You (or someone else) said that before and never really explained it. That's not only a bit frustrating, but it feels a bit like an Elim trying to just add to suspicion without having to explain why.
Sparkrunner he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 Oops Gut feeling. I am not trying to add suspicion, this is just my gut. I think I will go back through some old SE games to see how you act, though. I will not vote.
Stick. she/her Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said: I will not vote. None of us will It's a night turn. 3
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 Well i did a complete read of the thread and took notes. The only truly conclusive thing I got is that Lopen is a very strong village read for me. I'll need to review my notes for patterns to find suspicions. Apparently a lot more people were suspicious of me than I realized last night. And for some reason I have this gut elim read of brightness. I genuinely have no idea why, but I'll be keeping an eye out for suspicious behavior.
Jondesu he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Cluny the Scourge said: Oops Gut feeling. I am not trying to add suspicion, this is just my gut. I think I will go back through some old SE games to see how you act, though. I will not vote. Thanks. My play changes from game to game as I learn, but I don't expect you to pick me out as an Elim or Villager based on how I play and post. That's one of the things I've worked on the hardest. Obviously that doesn't help clear me here, but just noting that I think I've been successful in previous games at keeping my playstyle and posts from giving me away when I've been an Elim.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 Did I DO something wrong?? but seriously what's with all of these gut elim reads on me? It's freaking me out lol...I think flash is like the 3rd person to say that. I'm sorry if I'm giving people indigestion, but I honestly don't know what I'm doing to make you suspect me? I'm sorry that I haven't been as focused on this game, but I don't see how that's alignment indicative? I'm trying to be more active than I was at first, but I can't be on 24/7. If you see me on at the bottom of the page that doesn't always mean I'm actually on because I keep my tabs open a lot. Also I'm playing the mlp game too, and trying to do some analysis for both. I also start out a little slow because I'm trying to learn the new game mechanics. I will be happy to try and answer any actual suspicions that people have, but please don't just keep spreading the "I feel suspicious of Brightness" without giving much reasoning behind it. I can't do anything about that.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said: Did I DO something wrong?? but seriously what's with all of these gut elim reads on me? It's freaking me out lol...I think flash is like the 3rd person to say that. I'm sorry if I'm giving people indigestion, but I honestly don't know what I'm doing to make you suspect me? I'm sorry that I haven't been as focused on this game, but I don't see how that's alignment indicative? I'm trying to be more active than I was at first, but I can't be on 24/7. If you see me on at the bottom of the page that doesn't always mean I'm actually on because I keep my tabs open a lot. Also I'm playing the mlp game too, and trying to do some analysis for both. I also start out a little slow because I'm trying to learn the new game mechanics. I will be happy to try and answer any actual suspicions that people have, but please don't just keep spreading the "I feel suspicious of Brightness" without giving much reasoning behind it. I can't do anything about that. Idk why I'm getting a gut read! Maybe I'm worried you'll pull on me what I tried to do in the last game. Or that I'm trusting you as a fellow flash fan too much. It's a gut read, there isn't really much reason that I see for it. But it can't hurt to keep an eye on everyone.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said: But it can't hurt to keep an eye on everyone. Okay this is true. I'm just worried that if everyone keeps saying I have a gut read on Brightness that I'll get lynched purely because that is being ingrained into everyone's mindset from seeing it so much. Also fellow flash fans! *high five*
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 16 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said: Hmmm I wonder why he didn't burn pewter if he was a thug? I guess he never got back on after he was voted on? Well that stinks. this is why lynches at the beginning of a game always make me sad...we always seem to lose a lot of villagers. Hey @TheMightyLopen I went searching in the sign up thread for rule clarifications about spikes and look what I found: This was seonid answering yitzi. So I'm guessing that's how Elenion knew about the spikes? I must have missed that before or just forgotten. That thread was a long time ago lol I won't grace your suspicious of me with a response *looks away slowly and then realizes she actually just responded* (aw man lol) Ah, okay then. 12 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: It randomly goes to one of the villagers, if the lynched player had any spikes. I'm not sure what to make of this. I feel kind of bad about Dalinar getting lynched, and just because he was kind of inactive. I'm no type sure what to make of that. I'll reread the thread in a little bit. Now...should I use my last vial to protect someone tonight, or should we start ordering vials as a group for when we discover who's truly on our side? I think that you should keep whether you're using your last vial a secret. Now that we know for sure there's another Metallurgist, you'll probably be a top priority kill for the elims(if you're village, which I think you are). As for others, yes, we do need to order vials even if it's not our powers to keep us supplied. Between Copper and Brass, I think both are pretty equally useful, so just flip a coin? 8 hours ago, The Flash said: Well i did a complete read of the thread and took notes. The only truly conclusive thing I got is that Lopen is a very strong village read for me. I'll need to review my notes for patterns to find suspicions. Apparently a lot more people were suspicious of me than I realized last night. And for some reason I have this gut elim read of brightness. I genuinely have no idea why, but I'll be keeping an eye out for suspicious behavior. I've got a village read you too. Here's all of my reads so far. Of course, it's early yet, so I'm not really confident in all of these, but I thought I'd post them anyways. Village reads: Flash - I think I mentioned the things that gave me a village read on him already. Yitzi - not a strong read, and not based on anything specific.Stick - I keep going back and forth, tbh. Her defenses last Turn made me lean village, but a couple things she's said have seemed fishy, as I mentioned.Jondesu - has been posting quite a lot, which makes me lean village, since I think he'd be a little less involved as an eliminator, and most of his posts seem villagery.Orlok - claimed Captain. I could see the whole thing with the no kill and then going after PK and then publicly claiming to be a ploy, but unless I see something to make me think that's actually what happened, I'm leaning vilalge.Striker - basically just gut.Cluny - mixed feelings, but leaning village right now. Elim reads: Elenion - The Spikes thing isn't really an issue at this point, but I didn't like his reasoning for suspecting me or Cluny(I know I'm village and I'm leaning village for Cluny). Tbh, I don't feel like him and Brightness would both be elims though, since Len said he had a village read on Brightness last Turn and now Brightness just pointed out the rule clarification about the Spikes. I think she'd have let him point that out if they were elims together, since she wouldn't want to connect them both.Araris - Just a gut feeling.Meta - Mostly for the lack of a kill on Night 0, and then him helping lynch PK Day 1. I think the lack of a kill on N0 was intentional, and once PK got detained, Meta saw a chance to take advantage of the opportunity that not making a kill gave him. It's pretty thin, but enough to make me lean elim for him.Brightness - I know she's playing 2 games at once, and I know how that can be pretty difficult, but she's voted really late in both Cycles so far, which is similar to what she did in the game we were evil together. And she didn't seem to notice the lack of a kill on N0.Sart - I've been going back and forth on him, but something about his posts just seems off to me. That leaves these players in a category of "no idea, need more information" - HH, Manukos, Ecthelion, PK, cloudjumper, and Drought.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 @TheMightyLopen I did vote earlier last cycle but I had to change my vote later once I started leaning village for stick (who I had voted on). So I don't really agree with that point. But also...if I was an elim in this game don't you think I would try to change my tactics a little bit so I wouldn't be so obvious? I'm not voting super early because I have trouble figuring out who to vote for this early in a game, but I'm trying not to vote too late either so that people can defend themselves if they're village. Also when I was a villager in the last LG than I voted late a bunch of times too...so I don't really see how you could say that is alignment indicative? I also did say that I missed the no kill on N0 for other reasons, but I can't really give you any kind of proof for that so I'll just have to leave you with your suspicions on that.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said: @TheMightyLopen I did vote earlier last cycle but I had to change my vote later once I started leaning village for stick (who I had voted on). So I don't really agree with that point. But also...if I was an elim in this game don't you think I would try to change my tactics a little bit so I wouldn't be so obvious? I'm not voting super early because I have trouble figuring out who to vote for this early in a game, but I'm trying not to vote too late either so that people can defend themselves if they're village. Also when I was a villager in the last LG than I voted late a bunch of times too...so I don't really see how you could say that is alignment indicative? I also did say that I missed the no kill on N0 for other reasons, but I can't really give you any kind of proof for that so I'll just have to leave you with your suspicions on that. Right. I'd forgotten about your vote on Stick. Well, it was more that your hesitancy seemed really similar to the evil game than the village game I played with you. I was GM in the LG, so I didn't really pay attention to things like that. Sure, you'd try to change tactics, but you might have slipped into the same thought processes you had before. Yeah, I just mentioned it again since in case someone missed it earlier.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 @TheMightyLopen hmmmm I don't know whether to think you actually suspect me...or if you're just trying to get me killed because you know I can probably read you better than anyone? and also what "hesitancy" is different from the other game I played with you? That was MR21 and I was SUPER hesitant about voting in that game too, because it was my first one and I didn't know who in the world to vote for. I also didn't want to vote on the first day of that game because I didn't want to kill a villager. I have since realized that voting on D1 is important for gathering info even if you do lose a villager. I just like to wait a little still because it's still hard for me to choose WHO to vote for.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 I'm not sure if you can read me better than anyone... Ehhh, I can't really put my finger on it, but from what I can remember, your posts just seem similar to your posts in that game. You were like "I'm not sure if I should vote on PK" and then you voted on him once the lynch on him was basically decided and said "hope we just got lucky!" which just seemed off to me somehow. Plus it seemed like you overplayed the "I don't understand why the elims wouldn't kill anyone" thing, like you were trying to use that as an excuse for why you were wrong about PK.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 @TheMightyLopen Maybe not Okay I think I'm done defending myself because you're apparently convinced I'm evil or you're just trying to get me killed I've tried to prove myself in every way here and now I'm just getting really suspicious of you instead. I don't remember you being this "suspicious" of anyone like this before so...I'm kinda thinking you're evil or just tunneling??
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, BrightnessRadiant said: @TheMightyLopen Maybe not Okay I think I'm done defending myself because you're apparently convinced I'm evil or you're just trying to get me killed I've tried to prove myself in every way here and now I'm just getting really suspicious of you instead. I don't remember you being this "suspicious" of anyone like this before so...I'm kinda thinking you're evil or just tunneling?? I'll review things once the Night is over. But I don't think it's tunneling to stand by your suspicions when no new information has come up. I guess your responses have made me a little less suspicious of you though. 1
Metacognition he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 *I'll get some RP in later* So I'm finally caught up, so I'm going to try to address some stuff that happened while I was out and I want to make sure I get it in before rollover, just in case. First off, can everyone PLEASE stop revealing themselves in thread?!? Now I'm not saying that all of you are who you claim to be, but if even half of you are, you're making the Venture's job a hundred times easier. One of the things the Village has going for it is that the Elims don't know who they need to hit to weaken the Village the most. By just revealing yourself, you're not just telling them your role. You're also telling them more about the role distribution and what other people's roles might be! You're endangering not only yourselves, but everyone else as well. So if you could just not, that'd be great. I still didn't get my PM, so Stick/other Couriers, if you could get around to that, I'd really appreciate it. Granted, since Orlok wasn't around for most of the last turn, it probably wouldn't have done much good, but we still need to start getting information flowing (preferably somewhere that isn't in thread... *cough*) and if we can set up a network of PMs, all the better. One thing that kept getting said a lot last turn that really stuck out to me, was the idea that the Venture would wait until after Orlok claimed to vote on him during Day 1. Now where I won't be surprised to find some among that number, this just seems like a false positive to me. If you consider the fact that they seem to have been playing to the idea of not killing on Night 0 in the first place, then why would they want to wait for an event that may or may not come? Unless they planned for Orlok to step forward (I find that unlikely, IMO. Just seems incredibly dangerous of a plan, which we can see by all the people that are still suspicious of Orlok after all.), if I were them, I wouldn't waste the opportunity to get their plan to work by waiting for something they likely had no control over. They wasted a Night 0 kill to try to get someone lynched. You don't start with such a plan and then get cold feet when it comes to enacting it. So this makes me doubly suspicious of Flash because he seemed to argue just enough to begin with so he'd had some level of plausible deniability, and makes me at least fairly suspicious of those that are following the logic of the Venture votes coming after. Those are the main things I saw that I wanted to point out asap. Now that I'm all caught up, I'll go back through again later and see what nuances stand out to me.
Seonid he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 Day 3: Murder Most Foul...Just Don't Ask Us Who It Was Valbar faced a dilemma. He always ran into dilemmas, it seemed, regardless of whether or not he tried to avoid them. It probably related to being ignored. He tried joining the army. Nobody noticed. He tried bodybuilding - still nobody noticed. He even took up interior decorating for a week or two, but that just made things worse. No matter what he did, nobody noticed him. But that wasn't even the worst of it. Tonight, he faced a despicable dilemma - one that taxed his ability to find a solution. Did he want a baywrap, or a chupaqueso? A difficult choice, to be sure. And the commissary wouldn't make both for him - they'd call it "greedy" and "gluttonous" and "taking more than his fair share." All while not noticing him. And, tangentially, he also wondered about how to get his fellow guards to listen to his theories on which of them were Venture spies. They were very good theories - he had come up with them himself! He was certain that if he could just get noticed, they'd be able to sort out these Venture assassins in no time at all and get back to the dreadfully dull business of guarding when nobody was actually out there. He liked that - it didn't matter if he got noticed or not on those nights. Which brought him to his real dilemma. He was pretty sure that burning Zinc could get him noticed. He'd never tried it before, not since he was told that being able to do so made him "half-skaa." Apparently this was a bad thing? He never did get quite clear on that. Anyways, he was reasonably sure that if he burned Zinc, terrifying men with spiked for eyes would come and take him away to the dungeons of the Lord Ruler and there do terrible things to him. He was pretty sure that he wanted to avoid that sort of notice. On the other hand, he could also start shouting and yelling. That would be much less likely to get spike-eyed terrors involved, but similarly less likely to actually attract attention. He decided to shout - spike-eyed terrors were just too much for him at the moment. One group trying to kill you at a time, was what he always said. "Hey, everyone! I think I know who the assassins are!" Nobody in the hallway turned around. Nobody in the bunkroom poked their head out the door. Failure. Again. "Why does nobody notice me!" He yelled to the uncaring ceiling. Just then, he felt a sharp pain in the small of his back. A low voice whispered in his ear. "Some of us noticed you." He fell over, bleeding. As he lay there, he watched two of his fellow guards walk past, dragging a struggling Barry Allen between them. He heard them talking as they passed. "Did you hear something? I thought it sounded like somebody was shouting in here." His companion snorted. "I think you're hearing things." "No, seriously. It sounded like that bug guy. What was his name again? Built like a mountain." "Have you been drinking again? If we had any mountains on our guard crew, I'm sure I'd have noticed. Now come on. Let's get this fella to the brig. Captain's orders." As his vision faded, Valbar shook his head to himself. Typical. Even bleeding out in the middle of the hallway, he just couldn't get noticed. Maybe he should have tried the Zinc. ------------------------------------------------------- Day 3 has begun! It will end at 10:30 PM, Mountain Daylight Time, June 7th. Valbar (TheMightyLopen) was killed! They were a Village Rioter! Barry Allen (The Flash) was detained! Player List: Marv (Hemalurgic_Headshot) Barry Allen (The Flash) Jeff (Manukos) - short for Jeffonimo Lance (Ecthelion III) - The Second Nameless Booken (Paranoid King) - a victim of the "common word + en" method of naming Village Seeker Garshin (Yitzi2) Ribis (cloudjumper) - the bored second son of a noble from the Remote Dominance Stick McStick (_Stick_) Remart (Jondesu) Beet Asper (Ornstein) - an old timer who knows his stuff Metallurgist Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) - a scion of a well - respected noble house Absolen (StrikerEZ) - a skaa worker in the Conrad fields Jay (DroughtBringer) - a blind young man attempting to keep his blindness a secret Boris (Elenion) - a guard known for laziness and general apathy Hadrian Penrod (Araris Valerian) - hoping to ascend to Ruin Mehir (Metacognition) - a mute and paranoid guard Cluny (Cluny the Scourge) - a man who believes he is a rat with a spearhead on his tail Valbar (TheMightyLopen) - who always gets ignored despite his large stature Village Rioter Mila (BrightnessRadiant) - a girl from the country Sorren Karidor (Dalinar Kholin) - an old guard who's been here longer than any of you whippersnappers Village Thug Argyle (Sart) - a very clumsy man 5
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Hmm...well, that's interesting. I was not expecting Lopen to get killed. He was quite active, and it seemed like the elims were making a habit of targeting inactive players. Either we guessed their strategy wrong, or they decided to change it because we guessed it. As for The Flash, did you detain him, @OrlokTsubodai? If not, this could make things interesting. Anyway, I'm gonna be mostly inactive, except for a little in the mornings and at night, for the next couple of days because of mini band camp.
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