Long Game 26: Cognitive Dissonance

[Amanuensis he/him]

5 hours ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Bugsy. Goodnight, now  

1 for Bugsy

5 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

Actually, Bugsy. If someone has a roleblock out there, I recommend blocking out Bugsy's vote on himself. Not only will it make me achieve my win con (hopefully), but that way, we can avoid any last minute lynch surprises.

2 for Bugsy

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

 

So I'm going to vote for Sheep. @AliasSheep, why did you ask Bugsy if it was just Joe and him and not Joe?

2 for Bugsy, 1 for Sheep

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

Sheep. Go for it, pal.

2 for Bugsy

1 hour ago, The Young Bard said:

Thanks, Aman.

Sheep.

2 for Bugsy (he never retracted his vote on Bugsy so this vote doesn't count)

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

Sheep.

EDIT: So what's that make? 2 Ghostbloods, 2 Haters and 1 Child, dead? Independents have got it made so far, but I'm pretty satisfied with having only lost one teammate by C4.

2 for Bugsy, 1 for Sheep.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Ah ok, makes sense now, thanks

[Young Bard he/him]

Oh yeah. I think the rule is that the last vote counts anyway, but I'll just be doubly sure.

Bugsy

[Amanuensis he/him]

Sheep. Sheep. 

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

I haven't seen @Doctor12 or @dowanx or @Frozen Mint at all during this game.

Have any of you seen them around? I'm pretty sure Doctor has posted a couple of times.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Doctor and Mint have both been active in PMs. I know both of their roles thanks to Tin, so I can confirm they're harmless.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Well then Dowanx For being inactive and the possibility he may be dangerous.

Come to think of it, I've never seen him before on the SHard in general

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Somebody is a major jerk... Unless they plan on helping me beat Mailliw's death rate, that is.

Also, is there somebody here native to Sel that is willing to worldhop there at the end of this night cycle so that I can ask them a few questions?

[Bugsy he/him]

Stick, have you Worldhopped? I just realized I inadvertently ripped you off last night, so if you tell me where you are I'll give the water bottle to you. Sorry!

[Stick. she/her]

3 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Stick, have you Worldhopped? I just realized I inadvertently ripped you off last night, so if you tell me where you are I'll give the water bottle to you. Sorry!

Is that so? Well, I didn't Worldhop, you know where to find me. 

[AliasSheep]

7 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

So I'm going to vote for Sheep. @AliasSheep, why did you ask Bugsy if it was just Joe and him and not Joe?

I asked Joe in the Roshar PM.  I checked it there, though Joe didn't answer.  I asked Bugsy in thread because he set up the dichotomy of supporting Joe or him.  I wanted to confirm my impression, which was that he was suggesting they were the only two left.

[Dani she/her]

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Also, is there somebody here native to Sel that is willing to worldhop there at the end of this night cycle so that I can ask them a few questions?

I'm a Sel native. And I'll be worldhopping to Sel this night turn. 

[AliasSheep]

To comment on the game in general, this whole thing seems like a show to me.  Joe claiming as Odium?  And then revealing Bugsy / Bugsy also revealing?  What?  I can't see the motivation there, given all it's going to do is draw the attention onto one or the other of them, and more than likely both.  And then the lynch is moving away from people we are certain are eliminators?

7 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Furthermore, Joe intentionally killed himself just to spite me because I admitted that I had to have a hand in Rayse's death to win, but also to put us in this position. Now they've got everyone paranoid that Bugsy is the last GoH and killing him will end the game. As a result the lynch becomes pointless because we already know who the last one is but can't kill him, when it actually isn't because the rest of their team are still in hiding to sow chaos.

If I'm right, Aman, the point you make here is that Bugsy is claiming that he's the last elim.  But he's lying.  So it makes sense to lynch him, right?  So why vote on me? 

[Elithanathile he/him]

How in the world am I supposed to complete three goals in one or two cycles! And can Shai please come to Sel? Pretty please?

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

1 hour ago, AliasSheep said:

If I'm right, Aman, the point you make here is that Bugsy is claiming that he's the last elim.  But he's lying.  So it makes sense to lynch him, right?  So why vote on me? 

Because if we happen to be wrong, and we lynch him, everybody loses.

[AliasSheep]

2 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Because if we happen to be wrong, and we lynch him, everybody loses.

Except Aman states in his post that he doesn't think Bugsy is telling the truth.  

Regardless, if we're going to keep Bugsy alive, can we at least try and get into a position where we can stop him from doing much?  And figure that out?

[Sart he/him]

8 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Sheep.

EDIT: So what's that make? 2 Ghostbloods, 2 Haters and 1 Child, dead? Independents have got it made so far, but I'm pretty satisfied with having only lost one teammate by C4.

I disagree with this logic so much. We are literally not lynching an Eliminator due to fears of ending the game too soon. That sounds to me like the Children are winning, not the Independents. The Children have a trust group in the form of the Spiked doc, in addition to all the other villagers. They control the lynch, have at least one Shard on their side, and have only lost a single member. And yet the Independents are winning? Sorry, when I see four Eliminators dead with only one Villager dead, that means the Villagers are winning. But it's not really the village that's winning, the Spiked are the ones truly winning. Once they have their win-cons fulfilled, which given their power level doesn't seem that far off, will they have any reason to hesitate killing Bugsy? We know for a fact that they have a kill role and Scanner in the form of Wonko. Aman says one of his goals failed, but we only have his word for it. They'll also get support from the Children who have a partial win lined up, and they will end this game. They are forcing Independents to bend to their whims. We've already seen them threaten Wilson with losing her goal. I can't stand for this. I am calling on an alliance of Independents, God's Own Hate, Ghostbloods, and non-Spiked Children to stop the threat of the Spiked. They are holding a sword over our heads, and we need to stop them. I am not opposed to the Children winning, but if we want this game to go on, we have to stop the Spiked first. For this reason, I vote for Harmony Himself, Victor (Aman). He's what has been allowing them to communicate, and his massive Investiture Storage (Over 200!) makes him a sizable threat. I urge you to overthrow your Spiked overlords. So that all of us have a fair shot at winning. Viva la Revolution, and let the game go on!

[Elithanathile he/him]

34 minutes ago, Sart said:

I disagree with this logic so much. We are literally not lynching an Eliminator due to fears of ending the game too soon. That sounds to me like the Children are winning, not the Independents. The Children have a trust group in the form of the Spiked doc, in addition to all the other villagers. They control the lynch, have at least one Shard on their side, and have only lost a single member. And yet the Independents are winning? Sorry, when I see four Eliminators dead with only one Villager dead, that means the Villagers are winning. But it's not really the village that's winning, the Spiked are the ones truly winning. Once they have their win-cons fulfilled, which given their power level doesn't seem that far off, will they have any reason to hesitate killing Bugsy? We know for a fact that they have a kill role and Scanner in the form of Wonko. Aman says one of his goals failed, but we only have his word for it. They'll also get support from the Children who have a partial win lined up, and they will end this game. They are forcing Independents to bend to their whims. We've already seen them threaten Wilson with losing her goal. I can't stand for this. I am calling on an alliance of Independents, God's Own Hate, Ghostbloods, and non-Spiked Children to stop the threat of the Spiked. They are holding a sword over our heads, and we need to stop them. I am not opposed to the Children winning, but if we want this game to go on, we have to stop the Spiked first. For this reason, I vote for Harmony Himself, Victor (Aman). He's what has been allowing them to communicate, and his massive Investiture Storage (Over 200!) makes him a sizable threat. I urge you to overthrow your Spiked overlords. So that all of us have a fair shot at winning. Viva la Revolution, and let the game go on!

The problem with that though, Sart, is that they aren't really eliminators. They're another faction, one that has to do with killing people, or bringing others to their side, but they're still a faction. We don't automatically win if they all die, in fact, it means some people won't, due to having goals they weren't able to accomplish.

[Bugsy he/him]

Aman has failed both of his extraneous goals, so he has no real motive to keep me alive. That's a problem for anyone without their other win conditions completed. Be careful of his manipulation; he could very well try for a partial win by orchestrating my death as soon as he can manage it without turning his allies against himself

[Stick. she/her]

34 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Aman has failed both of his extraneous goals, so he has no real motive to keep me alive. That's a problem for anyone without their other win conditions completed. Be careful of his manipulation; he could very well try for a partial win by orchestrating my death as soon as he can manage it without turning his allies against himself

Just please don't die without giving me the Water 

[Bugsy he/him]

3 minutes ago, I_am_a_Stick said:

Just please don't die without giving me the Water 

I'll certainly try not to. Hopping to your planet tonight. I appreciate the lack of specificity about the actual identity of said planet that could *hopefully* keep an assassin from trailing me  

In the meantime, I promise I won't make a kill tonight. While I may lie about my role, I don't when it comes to deals like that. 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

3 hours ago, AliasSheep said:

Except Aman states in his post that he doesn't think Bugsy is telling the truth.  

Regardless, if we're going to keep Bugsy alive, can we at least try and get into a position where we can stop him from doing much?  And figure that out?

I don't think I'm going to get into a car accident today, but I'm still going to wear a seatbelt on my way home, because the potential risk is too great.

Sart, you seem to think we're far more connected than we are. If there was such a thing as a Spiked doc, there is no way you would know what you do.  Harmony is able to start one-on-one PMs with us, on day turns only. He has to pay for every message sent, and the cost doubles with every message. I, probably Harmony's third-in-command right now, have received and sent exactly one message. Wax may have had more, but probably not by much. It's just not worth it.

Since the start of the game, this 'Spiked team' of yours has been at the very core of everything the Children have accomplished. We have done nothing but support the Village. Why have you suddenly decided that we can't be trusted?

After my goals are finished, I intend to do my best to help those around me with theirs. I don't see why my compatriots would not do likewise -- especially with our grip on the game as firm as it is right now.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

5 hours ago, Bridge Boy said:

How in the world am I supposed to complete three goals in one or two cycles! And can Shai please come to Sel? Pretty please?

I'm pretty sure Conquestor is Shai. He's probably still on Nalthis because he's inactive.

[Ecthelion III he/him]

What are the votes at right now?

[AliasSheep]

40 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

What are the votes at right now?

Sheep (2) : Aman, Bard
Bugsy (1) : Bugsy
Dowanx (1) : Darkness Ascendant
Aman (1) : Sart