Mark IV he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 I know I've been relatively quite on thread. Sorry about that.. I agree with aman and bard's vote on sheep. This is because of previously stated reasons - If bugsy is indeed the last GoH, that is game over there. So, yeah, I think it's worth checking out otheoptions. Joe is undeniably crafty. He couldn't have just abandoned the GoH when there was still one member remaining. Aman's keen eye spotted sheep and I'm swayed by his argument. It does seem Prudential, what sheep did I mean, in the face of this situation... So, well, yeah I know I'm quoting previously stated reasons, but that is all I have.
Amanuensis he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Sart said: I disagree with this logic so much. We are literally not lynching an Eliminator due to fears of ending the game too soon. That sounds to me like the Children are winning, not the Independents. The Children have a trust group in the form of the Spiked doc, in addition to all the other villagers. They control the lynch, have at least one Shard on their side, and have only lost a single member. And yet the Independents are winning? Sorry, when I see four Eliminators dead with only one Villager dead, that means the Villagers are winning. But it's not really the village that's winning, the Spiked are the ones truly winning. Once they have their win-cons fulfilled, which given their power level doesn't seem that far off, will they have any reason to hesitate killing Bugsy? We know for a fact that they have a kill role and Scanner in the form of Wonko. Aman says one of his goals failed, but we only have his word for it. They'll also get support from the Children who have a partial win lined up, and they will end this game. They are forcing Independents to bend to their whims. We've already seen them threaten Wilson with losing her goal. I can't stand for this. I am calling on an alliance of Independents, God's Own Hate, Ghostbloods, and non-Spiked Children to stop the threat of the Spiked. They are holding a sword over our heads, and we need to stop them. I am not opposed to the Children winning, but if we want this game to go on, we have to stop the Spiked first. For this reason, I vote for Harmony Himself, Victor (Aman). He's what has been allowing them to communicate, and his massive Investiture Storage (Over 200!) makes him a sizable threat. I urge you to overthrow your Spiked overlords. So that all of us have a fair shot at winning. Viva la Revolution, and let the game go on! To clear up some misconceptions, the Spiked are not a faction. Being Spiked allows me to communicate with someone privately, as Wonko explained, while also granting them an additional power. Half of the Spiked are Independent themselves while the other half are Children (I hope), and in the case of the Independents I have promised to not interfere with, and even help, them achieve their win cons in exchange for them helping me kill God's Own Hate. So overall this notion that "it's not really the village that's winning, the Spiked are the ones truly winning" is absolute nonsense. Everyone already know the village win con is to exterminate God's Own Hate. I can't claim that I caught Bugsy, that was all on Rae deciding to betray them, but it was because of my ability to gather information that I verified Joe was Rayse to begin with. Otherwise he would be running around throwing more people out of windows, which for all you know could have been you next. Be thankful. As for Bugsy, do I have any reason to keep him from dying? Well first of, if what you are trying to advocate here is true, I would just have my gang of Spiked vote to lynch him... which I'm clearly not doing, I'm going for Sheep based on a hunch. But I've also got this thing called honor. Do you remember what happened in the last MR I was evil? It became impossible for me to win so I admitted my alignment to the villagers and offered to help them find and kill the second group of eliminators, that way the maximum number of players could win. Do you know what happened in the last LG I was evil? I explicitly helped Stink (and encouraged my team to help him as well) obtain his Neutral win condition, as well as offered to same to any other Neutral who didn't contradict my own victory. At the heart of it, it's because I am a firm believer of helping more people win than less so long as I am on the winning team. Wonko himself is Independent. The only reason he is working with me is because it's a mutually beneficial relationship. He still has goals that will take him a few turns to achieve so he definitely won't be killing Bugsy so long as there's a chance he's the last Hater. I suppose I could ask Wax to kill Bugsy if I truly wanted to end this game now, but I don't, and Wax has one more win con to fulfill anyway. Also you cannot blame me for what Bard said, first of all because he's not even Spiked, and second of all because I was just as against it as Wilson was. I'm not a pupper master pulling any strings. I have forced no one to tell me or do something they didn't want to. There are no Spiked overlords and there is no sword above anyone's head but Sheep's right now. 8 hours ago, Bugsy6912 said: Aman has failed both of his extraneous goals, so he has no real motive to keep me alive. That's a problem for anyone without their other win conditions completed. Be careful of his manipulation; he could very well try for a partial win by orchestrating my death as soon as he can manage it without turning his allies against himself I thought you knew me better than that Bugsy. I'm assuming this is just your alignment twisting your words, but really? I lost, so I'm going to make everyone else lose now too? Cause that's totally an Aman thing to do. I'm only manipulative when I'm an eliminator, which I'm clearly not, unless people are willing to accept that Harmony is anything but a Child. Besides, you voted on yourself as soon as this turn began, and yet you're accusing me of trying to kill you to end the game with a partial win? That's hypocrisy at it's finest, good sir 10 hours ago, AliasSheep said: I asked Joe in the Roshar PM. I checked it there, though Joe didn't answer. I asked Bugsy in thread because he set up the dichotomy of supporting Joe or him. I wanted to confirm my impression, which was that he was suggesting they were the only two left. 10 hours ago, AliasSheep said: To comment on the game in general, this whole thing seems like a show to me. Joe claiming as Odium? And then revealing Bugsy / Bugsy also revealing? What? I can't see the motivation there, given all it's going to do is draw the attention onto one or the other of them, and more than likely both. And then the lynch is moving away from people we are certain are eliminators? If I'm right, Aman, the point you make here is that Bugsy is claiming that he's the last elim. But he's lying. So it makes sense to lynch him, right? So why vote on me? 9 hours ago, AliasSheep said: Except Aman states in his post that he doesn't think Bugsy is telling the truth. Regardless, if we're going to keep Bugsy alive, can we at least try and get into a position where we can stop him from doing much? And figure that out? Can someone in the Roshar PM confirm that Sheep asked Joe there? And yeah, the reason why I voted for someone other than Bugsy is because every one of my allies still have goals to fulfill and thus there's no way I can convince them, or anyone else, to lynch him even if I do think he's lying. Same thing for why I can't have him killed at night, which I wouldn't even try to arrange anyway. Yes, Bugsy is a known eliminator. But as far as I'm concerned, Lady Sequence isn't as much as a threat as say, Eshonai, or potentially Yesteel and Weedfingers, if my theory about Team Odium having at least one member from each world is correct. Looking for enemies elsewhere is the best way to find out if there are enemies elsewhere. Not killing the last one we know for sure exists. Edited September 28, 2016 by Amanuensis
Bugsy he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I thought you knew me better than that Bugsy. I'm assuming this is just your alignment twisting your words, but really? I lost, so I'm going to make everyone else lose now too? Cause that's totally an Aman thing to do. I'm only manipulative when I'm an eliminator, which I'm clearly not, unless people are willing to accept that Harmony is anything but a Child. Besides, you lit I honestly didn't mean to imply that. For some reason, I assumed that the Child win condition required the child to be living at the end when all GoH got killed to win overall, so I was simply reminding everyone that you might want to lynch me sooner rather than later to ensure your own survival and therefore partial victory. I didn't mean you did it to ruin someone else's win con, but I realize now that it could be interpreted that way. My sincere apologies. And what does my lying have to do anything about it? I try to maintain a certain standard beyond which I won't lie. For example, if I agree to a deal of some sort (like a role-swap or a nonaggression pact) I follow it to the letter wherever possible. This was one of those cases, where I wasn't lying about what I thought your motives could be (I try to avoid dishonest slander). That distinction seems clear in my own mind, at least. Edited September 28, 2016 by Bugsy6912
Amanuensis he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) No worries for some reason it didn't post the full paragraph so there's some more there you probably didn't read. It's just a tad irksome when it seems like people are trying to make me out as something I'm not Edited September 28, 2016 by Amanuensis
Bugsy he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: No worries for some reason it didn't post the full paragraph so there's some more there you probably didn't read. It's just a tad irksome when it seems like people are trying to make me out as something I'm not I completely understand, I get the same feeling (except when I'm an Elim. Then people spreading bad reads is a plus ) Do you happen to have a saved copy of the post anywhere, by chance? I thought that last line was meant to read 'you lie' with a typo, but if you meant to say something else I'd be interested in hearing it.
Amanuensis he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) I edited it in, but yeah Quote I thought you knew me better than that Bugsy. I'm assuming this is just your alignment twisting your words, but really? I lost, so I'm going to make everyone else lose now too? Cause that's totally an Aman thing to do. I'm only manipulative when I'm an eliminator, which I'm clearly not, unless people are willing to accept that Harmony is anything but a Child. Besides, you voted on yourself as soon as this turn began, and yet you're accusing me of trying to kill you to end the game with a partial win? That's hypocrisy at it's finest, good sir Edited September 28, 2016 by Amanuensis
Bugsy he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 Ok. In regards to that, I actually started by voting on myself to dissuade a lynch on me. I don't actually want to die, but it makes it much harder for you all to manipulate the vote if my vote is on myself. If the vote is tied, I could retract. If I'm up one or two, I could switch. If I'm up three, I would just keep my vote on until the end, risking death, to encourage Bard to remove his vote (he doesn't want me to die until he has the first vote on me )
Ecthelion III he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 I disagree with Bard and Aman. I call Aman "The Shepherd" because he's really good at convincing a whole bandwagon people to lynch someone based on one [usually long] post and everyone follows him like sheep. Plus, my instinct from previous games says it's a really bad idea to follow Bard + Aman. You're trying to distract us from Bugsy, the real target.
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Has everyone gone mad? You're running our metaphorical car straight at a wall, on the grounds that you're reasonably certain it's a trick of the light! If there is any chance killing bugsy would end the game, why would you ever take that risk? What do you stand to gain from killing him now, rather than waiting until more people have accomplished their objectives? Edited September 28, 2016 by Wonko the Sane
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: Are you people mad? You're running our metaphorical car straight at a wall, on the grounds that you're reasonably certain it's a trick of the light! If there is any chance killing bugsy would end the game, why would you ever take that risk? What do you stand to gain from killing him now, rather than waiting until more people have accomplished their objectives? AYE! Wonko ur right. My objectives are to do ALOT of research, which will take more than a few cycles.
Bugsy he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said: AYE! Wonko ur right. My objectives are to do ALOT of research, which will take more than a few cycles. What research do you have to do? I'd be happy to help if you need to interview a Scadrian or Taldainian, since I'm from Scadrial with a Taldainian spirit web. Not sure if both would actually work, but I'd be willing to try
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Bugsy6912 said: What research do you have to do? I'd be happy to help if you need to interview a Scadrian or Taldainian, since I'm from Scadrial with a Taldainian spirit web. Not sure if both would actually work, but I'd be willing to try Thanks but I don't have to interview anyone. I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. IF YOU WANT TO LEARN FABRIAL SCIENCES, COME TO ROSHAR. BUT MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AN INVESTITURE GIVING ITEM FOR ME. BECAUSE TEACHING PEOPLE FABRIAL SCIENCES COSTS 5 INVESTITURE AND I DON't WANT TO BE AT RISK OF ACCIDENTAL SUICIDE.
Silverblade5 he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 If you're name is Khriss, could you please come to Taladin? I need your help.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Silverblade5 said: If you're name is Khriss, could you please come to Taladin? I need your help. What were you doing on Roshar then?
Silverblade5 he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, Darkness Ascendant said: What were you doing on Roshar then? There was no one on Taladin last cycle. I decided to go somewhere a bit more active. I'll be returning tonight.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 Ah ok. There's nothing like a jolt back to civilisation. I would feel really bad for you if Khriss turns out to be one of the afk players
Amanuensis he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 Speaking of Roshar, did Joe drop anything?
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Speaking of Roshar, did Joe drop anything? A skymark I think. I'm gonna pick it up so I an teach people Fabrial Sciences
Silverblade5 he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 33 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said: Ah ok. There's nothing like a jolt back to civilisation. I would feel really bad for you if Khriss turns out to be one of the afk players AFK?
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Just now, Silverblade5 said: AFK? inactive Away from Keyboard Edited September 28, 2016 by Darkness Ascendant
livinglegend Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Can someone in the Roshar PM confirm that Sheep asked Joe there? And yeah, the reason why I voted for someone other than Bugsy is because every one of my allies still have goals to fulfill and thus there's no way I can convince them, or anyone else, to lynch him even if I do think he's lying. Same thing for why I can't have him killed at night, which I wouldn't even try to arrange anyway. Yes, Bugsy is a known eliminator. But as far as I'm concerned, Lady Sequence isn't as much as a threat as say, Eshonai, or potentially Yesteel and Weedfingers, if my theory about Team Odium having at least one member from each world is correct. Looking for enemies elsewhere is the best way to find out if there are enemies elsewhere. Not killing the last one we know for sure exists. I can vouch for Aliassheep. He was indeed on Roshar last cycle and asked Joe. Joe was very difficult. He begged for his life saying he would reveal his faction, goals, let us direct his kills and do anything else we wanted if we would kill Bugsy today instead of him. I figure it was to buy a day to activate any sleepers that may have existed. Sheep continued prodding throughout the night trying to get more information out of Joe who repeatedly refused. All we were able to get was a claim that Bugsy was lying and isn't Marsh, which doesn't really make any difference to me. My goal is to kill all of GoH. To play devil's advocate: I might say that was an elaborate show to distance himself from Joe; however, Sheep has been able to prove his role to me and I ask that we spare him. He is indeed a Child. If anyone wants to come to Roshar and check be my guest. We have a pretty good record going this game of only killing non-children. I'd like to keep it that way. Also Bugsy.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 Stop voting for Bugsy! We don't want to end the game prematurely
Bugsy he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said: Stop voting for Bugsy! We don't want to end the game prematurely What he said Everyone has 3 goals. If you kill me now, most of you will only get the 1st one done. Note that the 1st goal on your list isn't more important than the rest, it's just the goal of your faction. Also realize that if all the members of GoH are killed early, the game ends. Succeeding at the first goal at the expense of the 2 others is still 66.66% of a loss.
Stick. she/her Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said: Stop voting for Bugsy! We don't want to end the game prematurely I'll second that. Im not even close to completing any of my goals yet! Be patient guys. Does anyone know the vote tally? I'm going to try to level the votes out
Nyali she/her Posted September 28, 2016 Author Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, I_am_a_Stick said: Does anyone know the vote tally? Anyone may request official vote tallies at any time. Here's what I have, but I couldn't tell if Mark was voting on Sheep or not. Mark, could you please clarify? You posted his name in a reddish brown. Vote Tally Bugsy (3): Bugsy, Ecthelion, LivingLegend Alias Sheep (2): The Young Bard, Amanuensis Amanuensis (1): Sart Dowanx (1): Darkness Ascendant\ EDIT: I have decided to clarify that this is the voting color. Voting in any other color will not count, even if it is reddish. Edited September 28, 2016 by Nyali
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