Mid-Range Game 12: Turf War

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Elbereth PM'd Meta on Cycle 2.

Meta PM'd Danosaur on Cycle 2 trying to find more Blood Tyrants.

That's what Meta told me. So that seems to check out fine.

Also, Ghostbloods color is orange(according to MR10).

Why exactly does the format matter at all? Mine was the second format.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Elbereth PM'd Meta on Cycle 2.

Meta PM'd Danosaur on Cycle 2 trying to find more Blood Tyrants.

That's what Meta told me. So that seems to check out fine.

Also, Ghostbloods color is orange(according to MR10).

Why exactly does the format matter at all? Mine was the second format.

 

Oh whoops, I misread your first comment. I thought you said Meta PM'd her. This is what happens when I try to SE at work. Forget that potential lead then.

 

Well, considering I asked Mailliw if I could type out my role word for word from the PM and he ruled no, and that Dano sent that and it was never addressed in our PM, I had thought that maybe he modified it to remove the Government Agent part out. But if yours is the same as Dano's and not mine, that appears to be accurate for Captains at least, and unless you happen to be evil too than I'm pretty sure Dano is innocent. Which means either Mark or Kynedath are the last remaining GA in the Evanescents.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I'm a Regular, not a Captain.

[Amanuensis he/him]

So yours says "You are a Ghostblood Stoneward in the position of Regular." That doesn't make much sense to me, but okay.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

It makes sense to me.

Anyways, if Mailliw didn't want you to talk about your role, I'm not sure he'd want us to talk about GM PM's formats.

[Elbereth she/her]

I really think Meta is/was a GA. As far as his plan goes, he told me he was just trying to consolidate our gang so we'd stand a better chance and also that he wouldn't reveal he was an Epic like he said he would early on. He said some players might though if he suggested it.

Elby, since me and Meta are BT's and I lynched him, you should prolly have gotten about 8 points from me if he was a GA. How many points do you have?

I have 14.5 points. Who else donated, and how many do you think you donated?

Unless someone more pressing comes up, could I be scanned?

EDIT: Oh! And elbereth, it's night turn... I don't think you can vote.

Meta told me she PM'd him on Cycle 2.

I'm certainly not scanning you, but it's up to Clanky's discretion who he scans. And now that you've asked, it probably won't be you, since you're who the Watchful Tails person will target. (And yes, it's an IKYK now. Oh well.)

I know I can't vote. I just didn't bother to change it from the post I wrote for before turnover, because I knew it wouldn't count anyway.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Elbereth

[Clanky he/him]

UnfortunatelyI don't think you'll be seeing scan from me this cycle.

 

I'm also all alone on the ferry. I'm thinking of becoming a pirate.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Did anyone receive a Snitch Note last turn, by the way? EDIT: Nevermind, Snitch just pointed out Alv's post last turn.

 

@Mailliw: If a Drunk "Evanescent" GA spends points 5 points to get the name of a random person in their gang, would it give them the name of a GA or an Evanescent?

Edited March 19, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Master Elodin]

That's interesting. So, Danosaur is one of my Captains. I PM'd him on cycle two and asked him to PM PK to find out who all our subordinates were. On the same cycle he told me that Meta PM'd him, saying that he is a Blood Tyrant and assumed Dano was as well, since they had both gone to the City Hall. So let's look at the possibilities of Meta both being able to PM Dano and Elby in the same cycle:

• Meta is a Sneaky Messenger. This means he would have been able to send a PM every cycle. Considering that PK was one, I do not think this is the case. However did anyone else receive PMs from him on uneven numbered cycles?
• Meta spent 5 points to create an extra, one-cycle long PM. Based on the calculations I made this is impossible.
• Meta is an Epic with the ability to create multiple PMs. I don't believe this, let alone that he is an Epic at all. It is an extremely useful bluff either as a villager or eliminator, and in my opinion any claim of it shouldn't be taken seriously.

So I'm leaning on either Elby lying (which I don't understand why she would because the Bankers are supposed to be guaranteed loyal - @Mailliw, that is how it works, correct? There can't be an evil Banker?) or Dano was.

 

I should also note something I didn't realize until I looked back at my PMs with Dano. When I asked him what his role was, he sent me, in quotations, basically the content of his GM PM. However the format of it does not match the one Mailliw sent me. I'll use a fictional example to illustrate what I got from Mailliw and what Dano sent me, and will ask anyone who reads this to confirm whether theirs was in the first format or the second.

 

One: You are a Ghostblood Stoneward. Your rank is Commander, your captains are: little wilson and Gamma Fiend.

Two: You are a Ghostblood Stoneward in the position of Captain. Your subordinates are: little wilson and Gamma Fiend.

I got the first one.

[Alvron]

@Mailliw: If a Drunk "Evanescent" GA spends points 5 points to get the name of a random person in their gang, would it give them the name of a GA or an Evanescent?

Neither.  A Drunk will learn nothing if they tried that.  They don't know which gang they are in so can't find any fellow gang members.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Neither.  A Drunk will learn nothing if they tried that.  They don't know which gang they are in so can't find any fellow gang members.

 

Is that so? I take it you asked Mailliw yourself, then.

[STINK he/him]

All you drunk people need to sober up already.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Pretty sure they all have. The drunks were Paranoid King, Kipper, "Elkanah" and Alvron. Besides Kipper, all three have claimed to sober up.

 

So, if what Alvron says is true, Danosaur must be the last GA among the Evanescents.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Clanky he/him]

What makes it a definite thing that he's a GA?

[Alvron]

Is that so? I take it you asked Mailliw yourself, then.

Yes I did.  I asked a bunch of questions to try and find a way around drunkenness.  Sadly even getting the Snitch to snitch on me wouldn't have worked.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Alright so, on the 2nd cycle I declared in thread that I was the Commander of the Evanescents and that I knew the identity of the snitch (at the time I had already PM'd one of my Captains, Danosaur, and asked him who his subordinates were. They were Mark and Kynedath. I also asked him to use his PM on PK to ask him who his subordinates were. They were Silverblade and Arraenae). I asked the Snitch to send me a PM, and a couple hours later Mark eventually did. Now, that same cycle he told me that Elkanah PM'd him, claiming that he was drunk but stole points from the Evanescent bank to spend on finding a member of his team. Now, it could have entirely been a bluff. But the fact that he ended up being an Evanescent makes me highly doubt that. A cycle later Danosaur claimed to me in PM that Elkanah had sobered up and was now his subordinate. That means that the two had to be in communication in order to pull off a lie like that. Though I'm not entirely sure what the intent of the deception was (most likely to gather information), there is no other possible solution for this situation to have worked out. Only a Captain and a Regular in cahoots with one another could lie about being a drunk (or a Commander, which is impossible since I'm Elkanah's Commander).

Edited March 19, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Mark IV he/him]

Makes sense since elkanah contacted one of dano's own subordinates instead of PKs. Which would mean, as stated, that dano and Elk were in communication.

A bit off topic, but would it be too paranoid to ask for protection?

Who's in dano's room with him?

[Master Elodin]

Well then. Should we lynch Danosaur?

[Elbereth she/her]

Alright so, on the 2nd cycle I declared in thread that I was the Commander of the Evanescents and that I knew the identity of the snitch (at the time I had already PM'd one of my Captains, Danosaur, and asked him who his subordinates were. They were Mark and Kynedath. I also asked him to use his PM on PK to ask him who his subordinates were. They were Silverblade and Arraenae). I asked the Snitch to send me a PM, and a couple hours later Mark eventually did. Now, that same cycle he told me that Elkanah PM'd him, claiming that he was drunk but stole points from the Evanescent bank to spend on finding a member of his team. Now, it could have entirely been a bluff. But the fact that he ended up being an Evanescent makes me highly doubt that. A cycle later Danosaur claimed to me in PM that Elkanah had sobered up and was now his subordinate. That means that the two had to be in communication in order to pull off a lie like that. Though I'm not entirely sure what the intent of the deception was (most likely to gather information), there is no other possible solution for this situation to have worked out. Only a Captain and a Regular in cahoots with one another could lie about being a drunk (or a Commander, which is impossible since I'm Elkanah's Commander).

Wait, I'm confused. Where's the deception in here? Maybe I'm just tired and can't think, but I don't really understand why this means Dano is automatically evil.

Second point, and the actual reason I'm posting. Did anyone donate one point to the Blood Tyrants? Apparently, if Meta were evil I would have 16.5 points and if he weren't I would have 13.5. I have 14.5 points, so something's off somewhere. It seems more likely that Meta wasn't a GA, though. Anyone able to help with that? If you don't want to reveal in thread, try to talk to Lopen or Alv and they can tell me.

[STINK he/him]

I only donated in the first 2 cycles, and Imma bout to donate again, but does anyone (barring the evil doc) have a list of who is in what faction?

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Elby. it's impossible for a Drunk player to learn the identity of any player in their faction, according to Alvron. Therefore Elkanah lied to Mark about how he knew they were on the same team. The only other way he could have known he was an Evanescent and that Mark was one too was if Danosaur (Mark's Captain) told him. Danosaur is also the only player who could lie about Elkanah not being his subordinate at first and vouch for him sobering up.

 

Knowing this now, Meta was most likely not a GA because I'm pretty sure they would have split themselves up more instead of bunching a couple of them together, especially with one already dead and another inactive.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Elbereth she/her]

Got it. I didn't realize that Elk PM'ed Mark claiming to be on his faction because of using points. That wasn't clear.

I will wait for Dano to get on to see if there is an explanation. But I can't think of any, so we'll see what happens.

In other news, anyone else have any input on who to scan? Options are Stink, Lopen, or Alv. Or anyone on the street, I suppose, but I think it would be better to scan someone in my location.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Is Sart Neighborhood Watch or Blood Tyrant? If he's Neighborhood Watch than the only GAs left would be Blood Tyrants. Otherwise there would be one left in either faction, so anyone who is not an Evanescent would be a good choice.

[STINK he/him]

Seeing as I know that I'm a BT (anyone need a new landline?), I think it's up to ya for either Lopen or Alv. Kinda wanna kill one of them though.

[Alvron]

Sart is a BT.  I'm his Commander.  As well as Stinks.

 

I know who I am (now) so I have no problems being scanned.