Quick Fix Game 12: The Time of Reckoning

[Elbereth she/her]

Elbereth It's all cool, mate. I appreciate that it's at least consistent with what you've been doing in past games, even if it still does bother me. I'm watching you...

Not a problem. And I will admit that one of the advantages to what I'm doing is that I can be an eliminator more easily, because my playstyle is deliberately changed (covering up any smaller changes that may happen because of changed alignment), and I already have a tone in mind. So watch all you like.

Someone (Arrenae, I think?) asked last cycle, "What if Adavantos isn't a matter disruptor?". I doubt it, because Invisibility exists. It's a bit dangerous to claim falsely this game, particularly so publicly.

So, I'm assuming Adavantos is really a MD. That makes me think he's an Epic, actually, because he believed there was only one MD in the game. If he were a Reckoner MD, I think he would have thought that there might be more MDs, which is how it has turned out. So I trust Adavantos.

So there are two MDs. Do we think they're both good, or that one is evil? I would guess one evil, except that there was only MD kill last cycle, which Adavantos claimed, and I think he's good.

Anyway, as for that bit about manipulation, I do that all the time, good or evil. Remember the big hooplah I caused in AG2 where I tried to trick Alvron into thinking I was a Seeker when I was only a proxy for one?

Let's not talk about AG2, please? Just because you're dead, Adavantos, doesn't mean it's not still going on. Personally, I had no idea that that happened before you said that. So... just be careful, please?

Who has a vote tally from last time? Obviously there were some changes there.

EDIT: Fixed color, ninja'd by Clanky.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Elbereth

[Amanuensis he/him]

Well, I'm glad I don't have to worry about me being lynched by my teammates now. Too bad it happened the same time I killed our Forcefield Projector :[.

 

It's possible the other MD is a Reckoner, but personally I doubt it. Like I said before, I don't think they would have held back from killing anybody the first cycle. Plus, I have a theory about who it might be, and if it's true than that's point in their favor. I'm considering asking one of my Telepaths to contact them for me to find out, but I'm honestly suspicious of both of them and don't think it's wise for me to risk the other MDs life by involving a potentially fallible third party into the mix.

 

Going along with that theory, I suggest that the Reckoners either have multiple members with Accelerated Healing or at the very least one Forcefield Projector. Two village kill roles with them having some sort of protective buffer makes the most sense to me. So in other words we need to be very wary of WGGs. I believe Orlok's claim of having Accelerated Healing, since there was no indication that his life was in danger C1 so it wouldn't make sense for someone else to protect him. I am more cautious about who the surviving player this cycle was, as of the three attacked the situation seems most likely.

 

Also, sorry about the AG2 comment. I figured that one was okay because it happened at the very beginning of Day 2, and that everyone has access to that information / it was kind of a big thing.

 

Oh, and Kipper. I'm assuming the two Telepaths that are in contact with you are the same in contact with me. At least I know one is since I asked who they messaged besides me. I'll go ahead and get confirmation from the other now, because if not that means we can get all three to help with the information flow.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Adavantos

[Elkanah he/him]

So, the best I know, these were the votes for yesterday.

(3) Mailliw: PK, Kipper, Adavantos

(1) Steph: Kamyle

(1) BB: Elkanah

(1) HS: Kynedath

(3) Adavantos: Orlok, Clanky, Queensteph

(1) Elkanah: Araris

And these are the votes after shenanigans.

(4) Mailliw: Paranoid King, Kipper, Adavantos

(4) Adavantos: Clanky, Orlok, queensteph

(1)Hellscythe: Kynedath

(2)Elkanah: Araris Valerian, Elkanah

To me this means:

Paranoid King or Kipper are extra persuasive.

Clanky, Orlock, or Steph are extra persuasive.

Campfire was soothed.

Bridge Boy or Araris have vote manipulation.

And I must have been hallucinating because I don't remember voting for myself.

I still hope to do some more analysis when I get some more time to cross reference this with what happened yesterday.

Edit:

Ninjad by Adavantos

Edited January 18, 2016 by Elkanah

[phattemer]

Forgot to put in Kamyle's vote, thanks for the reminder.

[Clanky he/him]

Ada what exactly was your reasoning behind killing Kynedath? 

 

So we had at least three Telepaths working at the start of the game and potentially four. While setting up a broad info network is good and all I expect that one of the Telepaths may be a traitor. It is also harder to expand the network since new PMs can only be made upon death of players in already in a PM.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Ada what exactly was your reasoning behind killing Kynedath? 

 

Was wondering if/when someone was going to ask this. It didn't sit right that no one had yet.

 

Orlok was my biggest suspicion, followed by you. Him claiming to have Invisibility and your comment last cycle about me saying High Epic made me reconsider my opinions. Around the same time, Kynedath had made a post where he indirectly defended Orlok while also prodding for his role. Like with me thinking SD was phishing for information, I also had the same thought about him. So really it was just a not very well thought out decision. But my other options at the time were the two Telepaths I knew, one of which was SD, who I already explained I didn't want to kill because this was his first game in a long time. When debating between Kynedath and the other Telepath, I decided to check to see if they were both playing in LG16 too. Since Kynedath was and the Telepath was not, I decided to kill him this game as the LG is just about to start and that seemed more fair. Reason I made a kill at all was so that I could claim my target in PM to said Telepath in order to support my claim of being a kill role.

 

So we had at least three Telepaths working at the start of the game and potentially four. While setting up a broad info network is good and all I expect that one of the Telepaths may be a traitor. It is also harder to expand the network since new PMs can only be made upon death of players in already in a PM.

 

I agree. I already discussed this with said Telepath because personally I believe in a game with limited PMs that the eliminators are more likely to have the relevant role than not.

[Guest]

Summation of PM with theSilverDragon:

(not allowed to c/p, so I've tried to get the gist as best as I can. Added my commentary in blue)

theSilverDragon: Yo, what up. I'm assuming you have telepathy too. 

Kipper: Denies having telepathy, asks who else SilverDragon has PMd.

SD: Is cryptic, says that he thinks he PMd one Reckoner.

K: Asks who.

SD: Would rather not say.

K: Suggests that SD should probably tell at least one person, even two, so as not to die and provide no info.

SD: Says he is not confident in the read yet, and doesn't think he'll die C1.

K: Says it's nice that his approach of saying in thread that he wanted PMs worked to get this PM.

SD: Actually PMd Kipper because of his comment in thread asking about the number of PMs Telepaths can make; thought Kipper was a Telepath.

K: Explains that he's just obsessive about PMs and information, which is why he asked. Offers an information trade with SD. Says he got another PM. This would be Telepath #2, who actually PMd me before SD, but I wasn't about to tell SD that.

SD: Wonders if the two PM networks could be combined.

K: Tells SD one of his powers as a free bit of info, says that he'll contact the other Telepath about joining the networks.

[REDACTED] <--There's an absurd amount of trolling in here.

SD: Asks if the other Telepath has answered yet.

K: Negative, and going to play a game.

SD: Goodnight, don't let the bed bugs bite.

Cycle 2:

K: Is still waiting on the other Telepath, and not happy about the Venture lynch.

SD: Thinks Arraenae has Enhanced Relationships.

[REDACTED] <--Here there's just a ton of back and forth with Kipper between the two Telepaths. Basically both of them want the other to reveal first, and nothing is ever decided.

RIP TheSilverDragon

 

I think that Orlok likely has Magnified Persuasion, based off of the last two days' lynches.

Paranoid King also likely has Magnified Persuasion. Yesterday, we knew that either Adavantos or PK had it. Adavantos's late vote in C2 (trying to save himself) would make it look like he thought the lynch was doubtful, and therefore doesn't have Magnified Persuasion. I guess Ada could have it though. I do not have MagPersuasion.

 

What else? Just like last time, would be nice to know if the person who was attacked was healed or had Accelerated Healing.

 

@Adavantos As amusing as that would be, I rather hope it's not the case. If two Telepaths used two PMs each on us, that's not a whole lot of diversity.

 

Once again, I'll place a vote on Mailliw. I never like it when people survive lynches, and my reasons from yesterday still stand.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Adavantos.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Adavantos.

 

Mailliw.

[phattemer]

What else? Just like last time, would be nice to know if the person who was attacked was healed or had Accelerated Healing.

Assuming you mean protected, the write-up would say "someone was attacked, but protected"

[Guest]

Adavantos.

Mailliw.

Is this just an omgus, or is there a reason why you've abandoned Orlok and moved to Mailliw?

 

 

Assuming you mean protected, the write-up would say "someone was attacked, but protected"

Ah. Missed that clarification before; thank you.

[Arraenae]

SD PMed me on C1, but stopped responding somewhere around C2.

 

Transcript between me and SD (can I copy and paste what they said into here? If I can, I'll edit it in.)

 

C1

 

SD: Confesses having telepathy and apologizes for voting for me. Asks if I have any useful information.

 

Me: Says that the whole Anamaximder thing seems really sudden. Says that since it's for a change in behavior, I can't comment because I don't know what Anamaximder's behavior is normally like.

 

Me: Asks if SD has read a book called The Young Elites.

 

SD: Says yes. Denies (but probably means yes to) getting RP name from it. Asks if I have any powers or anything that could be useful.

 

Me: Says that Renee has something equivalent to burning pewter. Doesn't want to talk about roles.

 

SD: Says that any information would be useful, and that they are in a PM with Kipper, who has claimed Not Telepath. Expresses distrust of what Kipper says. Says that Phatt says that the Reckoners could also have a Telepath, and says that they are pretty sure Kipper is a Reckoner Telepath.

 

Me: Asks why SD thinks Kipper is a Reckoner.

 

SD: Repeats that they are in a PM with Kipper and says that Kipper's first post was about Telepathy. Also says that Kipper is deviating from standard playstyle. Asks if they have missed anything that suggests that Kipper is an Epic.

 

Me: Expresses lack of knowledge of Kipper's playstyle and calls Kipper an "internet troll", references Kipper's profile picture. Has no opinion on Kipper.

 

SD: Says that they will wait to see for Kipper to reveal himself.

 

C2

 

SD: Notes that I have Enhanced Relationships.

 

Me: Confirms what SD has said.

 

SD: Says that I will die... what easily (not sure what this part means). Asks if I have another power.

 

SD never mentions who the third person the PMed was, but they bring up Kipper's name a lot. Maybe SD was killed because they contacted a Reckoner?

 

Kipper, what do you think?

[Guest]

Will respond to this at length tomorrow when I can get on desktop.

Briefly, though, SilverDragon (it seems) thought I was a Reckoner based on two assumptions.

1: I am a Telepath (false)

2: The Reckoners have a Telepath (maybe, but not certain)

Based on these two assumptions, he assumed I was evil.

Did he mention anything specific about how my "playstyle has changed?" Sure, not having completely open PMs has probably affected me a bit, but I don't think there's a monumental change. Again, will say more about this tomorrow.

[queensteph she/her]

To help clarify the votes, I have Magnified Persuasion. Not Enhanced Relationships. I normally wouldn't confess my power, but seeing as how its a pretty obvious one, you all would figure it out soon enough anyways.

Also, Maillaw, I'm purely voting on gut feelings and will change my vote if I find someone better to place my vote on.

Edit: I don't think Kipper's play style has changed, granted I've only played LG15b with him so far, but he seems the same, and in LG15b no one questioned his play style so I'm assuming it's normal.

Edited January 18, 2016 by queensteph

[Clanky he/him]

Orlok. Have you found out anything from your invisibility? Or something that can prove your claim? As far as I can see you used that role claim to avoid getting killed and then haven't talked about or discussed it since. I would like to hear some more from you about this.

 

EDIT: Vote colour

Edited January 18, 2016 by Clanky

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Cycle 1 I found out some information I don't think would be in the best interests of the village to disclose.

Last cycle, I followed Mailliw, who 'did something I did not understand' and (and I checked that this was a second action) used his own accelerated healing.

Also, Kipper, I do not have magnified persuasion -just accelerated healing (now used) and invisibility.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I don't have time to do any kind of analyzing right now, because it's really late here and I'm very tired. Hopefully I can get a good night's sleep and help out tomorrow. I should be able to get on before rollover(not sure when though, my ability to get on is somewhat random because I don't always have a laptop availiable for use.), so I'm hoping I can get some analyzing done(mostly on Adavantos and Orlok) and post my thoughts on some things then.

 

Re: Orloks scans. I'm honestly not sure how we should approack this situation. He doesn't feel comfortable sharing his scans, and I'm not sure I blame him. Is it worth it for Orlok to try to prove his role by revealing someone elses role in thread(I know I don't like doing that much. In LG15 I kinda felt bad for revealing Elbereth as a Coinshot.)?

[RippleGylf she/her]

If it is an important role for the village, keep it secret. We don't want the Reckoners to go and kill all of our powerful epics.

[Clanky he/him]

Cycle 1 I found out some information I don't think would be in the best interests of the village to disclose.

Last cycle, I followed Mailliw, who 'did something I did not understand' and (and I checked that this was a second action) used his own accelerated healing.

Also, Kipper, I do not have magnified persuasion -just accelerated healing (now used) and invisibility.

Ok, thank you Orlok. Do you this implies a hidden role of some sort or is it just something that can be obtained via heat vision?

[Elithanathile he/him]

So as someone guessed, I do have vote manipulation, but it wasn't used last cycle. So if Elkanah's vote was blocked, it wasn't me, and I don't think any other transmogrifiers would go and block random people's votes. The other option is that a reckoner did it, but that doesn't make sense, as they would know I was "good" and would want me dead, if anything. I tend to never got all analysisy in these things, but I do think we could get some kind of information from this event.

[Mystique Kamyle]

Is it just me, or is Bridge Boy acting weird. Maybe this is his usual play style, but every single one of his posts that I've seen are rather fishy.

 

Now that my mysterious brain is properly woken up, I did think that Anna-who-sa-whatsit's style was very different than normal, and find that very suspicious, so to "get this game started," Anamaximder.

 

And

 

I voted for Anamaximder because I have seen his previous playstyle, and this is not it. It is drastically different from what he has done before, and a drastic change in playstyle for no apparent reason is a good reason for me to vote, when otherwise I have no suspicions. Besides Kipper. But I do have a legitimate reason for voting on Anna.

Which was replied by Kipper like this:

 

Just so everyone knows this before we lynch Animaximder, here's a link from the AG.

 

http://www.17thshard...oloss/?p=378545

 

...where he did literally the exact same thing this game and got lynched for it. So it's a bit hard for me to understand why people are saying, "This vote is unusual," or "this isn't his playstyle," when he did literally the same exact thing in the most recent game. He was lynched and turned out to be good.

After this, Animaxaminder was lynched. And was an Epic. Suspicion anyone? After this, BB proceeded to vote for me. But I wasn't even in the game yet! I had posted my entry, but it went unnoticed, so technically, I wasn't even playing yet.

 

And Anna, if you're seeing this, I apologize for voting on and killing you. I didn't mean it really. So don't haunt my character forever. Thanks.

 

Oh yeah. Mystique Chameleon. Thanks! Bye!

And then, when I joined, he "forgave me". Not that I mind, but is this just for public relations?

 

Mystique Chameleon. The act of joining has removed all my suspicions. On the other hand...

 

Judging by the vote tally, it would seem that either PK or Adavantos has the persuasion, as has previously been said. That means at least one of the two is an epic, as it doesn't make much sense for reckoners to have epic powers. So I think we leave both alone for now, and come back to kill them at some point in the future. We should probably leave Orlok alone for now as well. I also support that telepathicers start setting up a chain of PMs. (They've probably already done so, but I wouldn't know.) The more information flow the better, as well as it adding another dynamic to the already very dynamic game.

Edit: Bold is mine.

In the Role section, it clearly states that everyone has a role in this game.

 

This game is Role Madness: all players will have a role that is not "No Powers".

 

Reckoners may have (a) power(s), but they would be granted by technology. There is no distinction between an Epic power and a Reckoner power. You may use 1 active power per cycle.

And lastly, in his most recent post, he states:

 

First, death by vote, and no other kills. Now, is a tied vote, and two other kills. All going according to plan...

I mean, a reckoner would be an idiot to say that, but what if he assumed that they would conclude that a reckoner would be an idiot to say that, and so say it? Throwing the suspicion off of him? I'm just saying. This doesn't prove that he's a reckoner, and it doesn't prove that he's an epic. It just proves that he's acting weird.

[Mystique Kamyle]

Didn't see BB's most recent post. *kicks the computer* Don't know if that helps or harms my case. :/

[Elithanathile he/him]

Well, I'm trying to RP without RPing this game, so I'm trying to make my posts mysterious/confusing/annoying, but I also try to say something useful every post as well. Everything that I have posted that is not clearly... well, weird, is my honest opinion. And the pre-emptive voting on you was because I knew you'd be joining, so I saw a chance to gain extra mystery points, and I took it.

 

P.S. Don't kick the computer. That's a valuable piece of equipment, and if you break it somehow, you will be paying for it.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

It is a bit unfortunate that Mailliw survived the lynch last cycle, regardless of his alignment, because that means that we will probably just end up lynching him again at some point. But I don't really have a strong opinion about him since I missed out on a lot of discussion the last two cycles. I am still suspicious of Elkanah for the reasons that I stated yesterday, but I am going to vote for BB right now. I would like to put a little pressure behind the questions Kamyle asked, specifically because it seems like you were looking for a way to pin down a lynch on specific people based on roles rather than behavior, which I personally don't like.

[Arraenae]

Based on these two assumptions, he assumed I was evil.

Did he mention anything specific about how my "playstyle has changed?" Sure, not having completely open PMs has probably affected me a bit, but I don't think there's a monumental change. Again, will say more about this tomorrow.

No, SD just said that they were suspicious of you and thought you were a telepath.