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Posted (edited)

Is this just an omgus, or is there a reason why you've abandoned Orlok and moved to Mailliw?

 

 

Ah. Missed that clarification before; thank you.

 

Just an omgus, really. I would like an explanation for his baseless vote.

 

It is a bit unfortunate that Mailliw survived the lynch last cycle, regardless of his alignment, because that means that we will probably just end up lynching him again at some point. But I don't really have a strong opinion about him since I missed out on a lot of discussion the last two cycles. I am still suspicious of Elkanah for the reasons that I stated yesterday, but I am going to vote for BB right now. I would like to put a little pressure behind the questions Kamyle asked, specifically because it seems like you were looking for a way to pin down a lynch on specific people based on roles rather than behavior, which I personally don't like.

 

I would also like an explanation from Araris about his vote on me Day 1.

 

Bridge Boy

 

And again. Mailliw? What's your intent here?

Edited by Adavantos
Posted

@Arraenae I'm not sure how to respond to this attack then, because it really just seems like a baseless hunch on theSilverDragons part, with a lot of confirmation bias thrown in.

 

Also, this is an interesting twist. Arraenae is also a Telepath. Sorry to out you, but I think you might be a Reckoner Telepath. So apparently SilverDragon PMd me and Arraenae, but didn't know Arraenae was a Telepath. Those are the two I was going back and forth with. SilverDragon wanted to team with Rae for a PM pool, but neither of them wanted to give up the name. I'll post a PM transcript merged with SD's later, but for now, let's just say I'm suspicious of Arraenae being a Reckoner Telepath. She's been very active in the PM, much more than she was in LG15 (which is why I want to post this so everyone sees it. The PM is really long.

 

Other thoughts:

I lean towards townreading Adavantos because of his reaction to the C1 lynch. Referring back to the Shallan Debacle, directly after we lynched Shallan, he posted saying that he was indignant about the unjust lynch, suspected the people involved in the lynch train, etc., etc. In MR10, where he was evil, I didn't see nearly as much commentary about the justice of certain lynches. However, this time, I predicted to myself that if he was innocent, he would comment about the lynch of Venture and start attacking someone who was involved in the lynch. Sure enough, he did, so that makes me want to townread him.

 

@Mailliw, why the one-liner votes? It's not helping you look any less suspicious.

Posted

Hey Adavantos, just wondering, but what happened to you being so suspicious of me? At the end of C2 you said that out of Clanky, Orlok, and myself that I was your biggest suspcion (because of gut feelings). And then at the start of C3 you say Orlok and Clanky are your mains. Did something change where you began to trust me or did the gut feeling just leave? I mean I've got nothing against being free of suspicion, but it seems strange to me that you wouldn't even mention me after stating that I was your biggest suspicion. Also, is it normal for Maillaw's playstyle to just post a vote? Strange.

Posted

Mailliw, I would appreciate an explanation of your erratic playstyle, and also the result I received scanning you!

That said, given 3 players so far have demonstrated accelerated healing, we really do need to be conscious that Ada could be a reckoner matter disruptor - or at least isn't precluded from being a reckoner solely based on his role.

Posted

Here's the current vote tally.

I was going to ask someone to make it, but for once I decided not to be lazy. :P

 

Maillaw(4): Kipper, Adavantos, Steph, Orlok     (plus 1 because of my magnified persuasion,)

Kipper(1): Arraenae

BB(2): Araris, Maillaw

Posted (edited)

Hey Adavantos, just wondering, but what happened to you being so suspicious of me? At the end of C2 you said that out of Clanky, Orlok, and myself that I was your biggest suspcion (because of gut feelings). And then at the start of C3 you say Orlok and Clanky are your mains. Did something change where you began to trust me or did the gut feeling just leave? I mean I've got nothing against being free of suspicion, but it seems strange to me that you wouldn't even mention me after stating that I was your biggest suspicion. Also, is it normal for Maillaw's playstyle to just post a vote? Strange.

 

I actually was working on a post right now to detail what seems off about you for me, since I saw you viewing the thread a moment ago. I'll go ahead and say that for obvious reasons I'm suspicious of everybody. Clanky's probably the only person I would dare to trust, and that's only due to his reaction about the High Epic comment I made last cycle. I probably won't bother to analyze everything you've said so far but from what I remember from LG15b you were not nearly this involved in the lynches, especially early on. What first caught my attention was your vote on Orlok for letting everyone know that he was attacked. There should be no reason to hide that (which reminds me, whoever survived the Reckoner attack last night, please tell the thread ASAP). Later on, you leapt headlong into the lynch mob against me because I was confusing you. In LG15b I remember you did not hesitate to ask me questions if you didn't understand something, so I don't understand what's different this game. Now it's the next cycle and you jump on another lynch train, this time on Mailliw, the person who nearly got lynched over me, the player you tried to get killed last cycle. I get that it could be because you have Magnified Persuasion and just want to take advantage of your ability, but right now I'm getting the feeling you're just trying to cement the lynch on any villager you can. I guess I just expected you would be more considerate with who you try to send to the grave. So far I haven't seen anything that might suggest that, and needless to say, it concerns me. Only in C1 did you not participate; but right now my theory is you were told not to get involved in the lynch on Venture because at least one of your team members was already voting for him by the time you got online.

 

Also, the only time I can remember Mailliw doing something like this is in QF10, when he would one-word-vote the players he was going to have his team kill that cycle.

Edited by Adavantos
Posted

@Arraenae I'm not sure how to respond to this attack then, because it really just seems like a baseless hunch on theSilverDragons part, with a lot of confirmation bias thrown in.

 

Also, this is an interesting twist. Arraenae is also a Telepath. Sorry to out you, but I think you might be a Reckoner Telepath. So apparently SilverDragon PMd me and Arraenae, but didn't know Arraenae was a Telepath. Those are the two I was going back and forth with. SilverDragon wanted to team with Rae for a PM pool, but neither of them wanted to give up the name. I'll post a PM transcript merged with SD's later, but for now, let's just say I'm suspicious of Arraenae being a Reckoner Telepath. She's been very active in the PM, much more than she was in LG15 (which is why I want to post this so everyone sees it. The PM is really long.

I don’t think you’re suspicious because SD thought you were suspicious and then died, I think you’re suspicious because you were in contact with SD before they died, so you could have  killed them to shut down village communication.

Also, I don’t want to be killed for my role alone -- what are you going to do when you find I’m innocent? Kill all of the other telepaths too? What if the Reckoners don’t have a telepath? I can’t deny that I’m a telapath, but saying that I must be a Reckoner because I’m a telepath is exactly what SD thought about you.

Posted

@Ada

Ok, ok, I get your confusion as to my playstyle, but the reason I was barely involved in LG15 was because it was my first game and I had no idea what I was doing. Plus, since it's a QF I have more time to analyze things since there aren't as many players/posts. 

I was rethinking my vote on Maillaw and I actually placed it because I was confused over something you said at the start of the cycle.

You said "I'm glad I don't have to worry about being lynched by my teammates now." And I was thinking that meant you were somehow proven to be an Epic from something I had missed but hadn't had the time right then to read over things again.

Hopefully this explains some of my actions so far. I'll take my vote off of Maillaw since it was placed on a misunderstanding.

 

I have to go somewhere with my family right now and won't be back on until after rollover.

 

Updated Vote Tally

 

Maillaw(3): Kipper, Adavantos, Orlok

BB(2): Araris, Maillaw

Kipper(1): Arraenae

Posted (edited)

Okay, so here's the summation of my PM with Arraenae so far, and then in the second spoiler I've put the two PMs together in the order that they were sent. Rae in red for easier reading.



Cycle One:


Arraenae: Hey, you asked for PMs, so here's one. Obviously I'm a Telepath so you don't need to pump me for information. What are your suspicions? How's school?


Kipper: Minorly suspicious of Elbereth for RP reasons; I will pump you for information; stuff about school, how's Adavantos?


Rae: Why suspicious of Elbereth?


K: Because he did an IKYK and I don't like his RP thing. How's Adavantos; I want an answer.


Rae: Pretends to not know anything about Adavantos says that I should ask him myself, asks my thoughts on Orlok. In case anyone's wondering, this thing about Adavantos is a long-running joke with Ada, myself, Stink, and Rae (though she's not a huge fan of RaexAdavantos :P)


K: Says that since he doesn't have telepathy, he can't talk to Ada. Doesn't have feelings one way or the other on Orlok. Asks Rae how she feels about him, why does she ask?


Rae: Complains about Kipper pushing RaexAdavantos, says that she thinks Orlok jumped on the Animax lynch way too quick.


K: Notes that Venture did the exact same thing in AG2, says that everyone is pushing RaexAdavantos.


Rae: Asks if Kipper has seen Ripple post anything, questions whether it's normal levels of inactivity for her. (<-- This seemed slightly off to me, because Ripple had already posted twice when Rae said this.)


K: Notes that Ripple has posted twice. Says that he is in contact with another Telepath (SilverDragon), says that he told that Telepath (SD)about being in contact with another Telepath (Rae).


Cycle 2:


Rae: Asks who Telepath #2 is. Says to ask them three ridiculous questions (asking what #2's favorites were of three different things) and give her the response.


Rae: Why haven't you responded? Are you really in contact with another Telepath or are you making this up?


K: Says that Telepath #2 hasn't responded to him yet. Says that he didn't tell #2 Rae's name, and asked #2 if they want to reveal to Rae.


Rae: Who is it? <--This seemed weird to me, because I don't know why she expected that I would just give SD's name out. She seemed very eager to get the name, though.


K: Says he's not telling until he gets permission, because he doesn't want to lose credibility as an information broker.


K: Says that #2 responded and doesn't want to reveal his name yet. Says that he will ask #2 the questions.


Rae: Asks why Kipper couldn't wait to reply until the questions had been answered. Asks what living in D.C. is like.


K: Says that D.C. is fast; that's why he couldn't wait. 


K: Makes a crack about being fast with two replies again, says that #2 wants to know Rae's name, and has answered the questions.


Rae: Not telling her name unless #1 gives it first. Makes crack about Kipper needing to forget that he knows the answer to the questions.


Kipper: What questions? :P


Rae: Says that Kipper's new profile pic is...interesting (Referring to my brand new Cheshire cat image)


K: #2 didn't comment about revealing his name, but he did want to know why Rae asked those questions.


Rae: Explains that if Kipper dies, the answers to those question will allow her to verify the #2's identity. Wants to know who else #2 has contacted.


K: #2 will tell you if you give him a clue as to who you are.


Cycle 3:


Rae: Looks like you've had a lot of Telepaths contact you.  Asks if SD was the one Kipper was talking about previously in the PM. Asks who #3 is. Asks opinion on Adavantos.


K: Says he doesn't appreciate the vote on him, since SD didn't really know anything about Kipper, and was just guessing. Is not going to tell Rae #3. Is about to post what he feels about Ada's alignment.


Rae: Doesn't appreciate being outed in thread; the feeling is mutual.


 


And here's the one that shows the correspondence between both of them with order of replies. Silver Dragon in purple, Rae in red, Kipper-->SilverDragon in black, Kipper-->Rae in orange.



theSilverDragon: Yo, what up. I'm assuming you have telepathy too. 


Kipper: Denies having telepathy, asks who else SilverDragon has PMd.


SD: Is cryptic, says that he thinks he PMd one Reckoner.


K: Asks who.


SD: Would rather not say.


K: Suggests that SD should probably tell at least one person, even two, so as not to die and provide no info.


SD: Says he is not confident in the read yet, and doesn't think he'll die C1.


K: Says it's nice that his approach of saying in thread that he wanted PMs worked to get this PM.


SD: Actually PMd Kipper because of his comment in thread asking about the number of PMs Telepaths can make; thought Kipper was a Telepath.


K: Explains that he's just obsessive about PMs and information, which is why he asked. Offers an information trade with SD. Says he got another PM. This would be Telepath #2, who actually PMd me before SD, but I wasn't about to tell SD that.  :P


SD: Wonders if the two PM networks could be combined.


K: Notes that Ripple has posted twice. Says that he is in contact with another Telepath (SilverDragon), says that he told that Telepath (SD)about being in contact with another Telepath (Rae).


K: Tells SD one of his powers as a free bit of info, says that he'll contact the other Telepath about joining the networks.


[REDACTED] <--There's an absurd amount of trolling in here.


SD: Asks if the other Telepath has answered yet.


K: Negative, and going to play a game.


SD: Goodnight, don't let the bed bugs bite.


Cycle 2:


K: Is still waiting on the other Telepath, and not happy about the Venture lynch.


Rae: Asks who Telepath #2 is. Says to ask them three ridiculous questions (asking what #2's favorites were of three different things) and give her the response.


Rae: Why haven't you responded? Are you really in contact with another Telepath or are you making this up?


K: Says that Telepath #2 hasn't responded to him yet. Says that he didn't tell #2 Rae's name, and asked #2 if they want to reveal to Rae.


K: Says that Telepath #2 hasn't responded to him yet. Says that he didn't tell #2 Rae's name, and asked #2 if they want to reveal to Rae.


 


Rae: Who is it? <--This seemed weird to me, because I don't know why she expected that I would just give SD's name out. She seemed very eager to get the name, though.


K: Says he's not telling until he gets permission, because he doesn't want to lose credibility as an information broker.


SD: Thinks Arraenae has Enhanced Relationships.


K: Good catch! Says that the other Telepath finally responded, and has three weird questions for SD. Asks if SD wants to reveal his name to the other Telepath.


SD: Says that he doesn't want to reveal his name until he knows more about the other Telepath.


K: Says that #2 responded and doesn't want to reveal his name yet. Says that he will ask #2 the questions.


K: Asks the questions to SD.


Rae: Asks why Kipper couldn't wait to reply until the questions had been answered. Asks what living in D.C. is like.


K: Says that D.C. is fast; that's why he couldn't wait.


SD: Answers the questions. Asks Kipper to ask the other Telepath for her name.


K: Makes a crack about being fast with two replies again, says that #2 wants to know Rae's name, and has answered the questions.


Rae: Not telling her name unless #1 gives it first. Makes crack about Kipper needing to forget that he knows the answer to the questions.


Kipper: What questions? :P


K: The other Telepath is not going to give her name first.


Rae: Says that Kipper's new profile pic is...interesting (Referring to my brand new Cheshire cat image)


SD: Wants to know why the other Telepath wanted to know the answer to the three questions.


K: #2 didn't comment about revealing his name, but he did want to know why Rae asked those questions.


Rae: Explains that if Kipper dies, the answers to those question will allow her to verify the #2's identity. Wants to know who else #2 has contacted.


K: Says that it's in case Kipper dies, the answers to those questions will allow the other Telepath to verify SD's identity.


K: Also they want to know who SD has contacted.


SD: Will only tell other contacts if the other Telepath gives SD a clue to their identity.


 


K: #2 will tell you if you give him a clue as to who you are.


K: The other Telepath is offline now, but I asked.


Post Rollover, pre-start of Cycle 3. (after the rollover but before the writeup was posted)


SD: Makes comment about not being able to find the Cycle 2 thread.


Phattemer: That's because wilson or another mod merged it already.


SD: okay.



 


My eyes hurt. Anyway, that's the whole of the PM transcript. Arraenae seemed eager to know as much as possible about SD, and it seems likely that since she couldn't get enough information about him, she killed the only other Telepath she knew (which incidentally happened to be SD, since he PMd her).


 


And a ton of people ninja'd me while I was writing this.


 


Edited to fix a color.


Edited by Guest
Posted

30 minutes until the end of the cycle! You have until then to get actions and votes in.

A reminder that while votes don't need to be greened in the original post, they do need to be green somewhere to switch your vote.

Posted

For the record, I was super close to changing my vote to Kipper to see which of the three would end up dead.

Wow. What a chull. That would really make sense. Hey, where'd our insult battle go? I believe it's your turn.
Posted (edited)

Cycle Four: A Grammer Lesson

Following the unsuccessful attempt to kill Maren the previous day, Perseus was not happy with them. Despite that, he still had determined that he would let his subjects decide who to kill. It was almost like a test. Almost. Hmm, a test. Perhaps that was how he would decide who to have killed, should there be another die. Yes, a test of the most important part of being an Epic: grammar! Striding into the room where it happened, he went straight to the throne he had had installed, and sat down wearily. He was tired of killing people who just sat up after they were stabbed. But perhaps today, he wouldn't have to make a decision about who to kill, and the victim would actually die. There will come a day when this will happen. But it is not this day. Today, we fight for the right to annoy Perseus as much as we want! He was already very exasperated. They couldn't seem to think about the current situation, and kept going on and on about Epics who already had had their death. Finally, a large group decided on Maren once again. Apparently, he accused people without a basis, and wouldn't explain himself. Perseus was about to give the order of execution when another group claimed that Mike Durbin would be a better target. They were exactly tied, and Perseus sighed. It looked like he would have to make the decision himself. Again.

"Mike Durbin and Maren Noles! Step forward!" They did so, glancing nervously at each other. "Today, one of you will be killed, and the other will receive a reprieve at least until tomorrow. To decide which one, you both will take this grammar test." The test read as follows: "In the sentence 'Perseus ___ the man killed', how many times should the word 'had' be in the blank to make the sentence pluperfect?" They looked confused. Obviously, grammar was not any of either of their strong suits. Finally, Mike raised a hand.

"I think... that it should be... '2 times'". Maren stared at the paper a bit longer, and then said

"Well, in my opinion it should be 3." Perseus checked the answer once more, stood, and addressed the crowd.

"Since Maren, while Mike had had "had had", had had "had had had", he will be the one to die." He turned to Maren. "Maybe next time, you'll study your grammar before joining my court. I grew up on a farm, but even I would never use the word "had" more than twice in a row." Maren looked confused.

"But, Lord, you just did-"

"Treason!" Perseus blasted him with a waterball. The impact threw him across the room, but when the steam dissipated, he was standing up. "Blast it!" Perseus stormed off.


Following another fruitless day, many people were angry with others, especially the ones who wouldn't deign to help decide on the Reckoners. A figure walked into a building- but it wasn't the building to which they had been assigned. They checked the directory posted on the wall, running through it until they found the name they were looking for.

"Ah! Andrew, fourth floor, third room to the left. Got it." As they began to go up the stairs, a second figure crept up to the list. Why was their chalk all over the pages? Was someone else here? They ran as silently as possible to the stairs, and then up them. Nearing the second floor, they spotted a person ahead of them.

"Hey! You! Who are you here to kill? And don't pretend you aren't going to, we both know that's the only reason for someone to be out this late." They seemed surprised.

"Alright, alright. I'm here to eliminate Andrew."

"Wait, really? So am I! Let's team up!"

"Sure. Just don't get in my way, ok?" The dark figure was affronted.

"If anyone's going to get in someone's way, it will be you in mine." As they were debating, they continued to ascend the stairs until they reached the fourth floor. Standing within sight of the room in question, the second figure said "Watch this!" and stared at his room. Suddenly, a huge explosion destroyed the room, and everything inside.

"Impressive. Do you mind if I go make sure he's dead?"

"Not at all, go right ahead."

They ran to the edge, and spotted the body. Pulling out a knife, they threw it directly into its head.

"All done. Let's split before anyone comes."

"But of course. Hope to see you again somenight."

"The same to you."


As explosions rocked the building nearby, another killer took the opportunity to run without caution of noise. They had been well trained, and didn't get out of breath the whole way. It was unfortunate that their target lived so far away, but then again, Ereth had a high enough status in the court to get their own house. Houses were harder to reach, but much easier to go unnoticed in. They came up to the house, weapons out. You couldn't be too careful around Epics. They were all insane. Even the good ones. Standing to the side, they fired a shot at the lock of the door. The door swung open. Carefully, they crept inside, staying low. It was lucky for them that they did so, because the occupant of the house was not asleep- or happy. An explosion rocked the air right above the infiltrator's head.

"You thought you could come into my house, and kill me, didn't you, you little slime. Let's add some antimatter to that equation, shall we?" The assassin cursed. They had prepared for this, of course, but this particular eventuality was not the best. Remaining silent, they shot the Epic in the head, and immediately bolted out the door as fast as they could. As they ran, the entire house exploded behind them. Antimatter Epics often set failsafes to kill their attacker should they die. Luckily, they had expected it.


Mailliw(Maren Noles) was lynched, but survived!
Andrew(Araris Valerian) was killed! He was an Epic with Illusions and Heat Vision!
Elbereth was killed! They were an
Epic, with Matter Disruption and Heat Vision!

Vote Tally:
Mailliw: 3; Orlok, Adavantos, Kipper
Adavantos: 3; Mailliw, queensteph
Kipper: 1; Arraenae


PMs will be sent in about a half-hour, and this write-up will be edited.

Spectator Sports:
Clanky was saved from boredom by Honor!
Mailliw was annoyed by Odium!
Bridge Boy received a potted hemlock plant from Cultivation!
Kipper received a potted hyacinth plant from Cultivation!

People in danger of Perseus killing them(i.e. inactive for one full cycle):
Bridge Boy

Clarification: If Perseus kills anyone, it will be obvious.

Edited by Alvron
Posted

Alright. I haven't voted on anybody yet, and I can understand that some people actually would do exactly what BB says he's doing, but really, all it does is point suspicion his way. So, BB.

Posted

I attacked Araris. The write up seems to imply that Elbereth did as well. I fail to understand why the Reckoners would target her over Orlok or myself, though. Unless they somehow discovered her role through Invisibility, but that's impossible given she had Heat Vision. I don't get why they would have considered her enough of a problem to remove unless she was on the right track about something. Will go read over all her posts now. Only thing I can see she did was vote for Elkanah twice and declare that she trusted my alignment because of my earlier confidence that I was the only village kill role, which makes sense now that we know she was the other (thought it was Clanky =\).

 

Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious now that Mailliw is either a Forcefield Projector or a Reckoner with one on his team. I want to point out to everyone that when he placed his vote on Bridge Boy he never green'd his on me, which is why it shows he voted for me. I do not believe this was a mistake. I believe it was an intentional move on his part, knowing that they had an Illusionist on their team to move a player who claimed Magnified Persuasion to try and get me killed. Knowing Mailliw was safe, this plan would either stall us for another round or get me lynched, opening their kill up for another villager.

 

Mailliw surviving the lynch twice, in my mind, confirms my theory about the Reckoners having a Forcefield Projector (where you at Prof?), which as I mentioned earlier would help balance us having two village kill roles. I feel that if Mailliw was a self-targetting Epic Forcefield Projector he would make an effort to be more useful, since it'd make him invincible to their kills, allowing him to attract the right kind of attention - their kills - and not the wrong kind - the lynch - without worry.

 

I also want to say that my suspicions of Orlok have redoubled again. Personally I was not satisfied with the way he revealed his results. I am also suspicious of Ripple due to her encouragement that he keep critical information a secret, and because I saw her watching the thread during turnover when she has been barely active this game. I saw Elbereth too and thought the same thing, but knowing she was the other MD it makes sense that she would be more invested to see the results; because she put a kill order in. Call me crazy, but I don't even think Orlok is what he claims to be. Refusing to reveal half his information and being incredibly vague about the other half? It seems more like he's trying to fabricate information so that we keep him alive then actually do something to help us.

Posted

Forcefields does not protect from the lynch. In the rules it states "one kill attempt", while  Accelerated Healing is "the first time you would die".

Posted (edited)

Yeah I noticed the BB vote when I was making the vote tally but wasn't sure what the rules for unvoting/voting were, I guess I should've pointed it out.

Also, phatt, I didn't have a vote placed at the end of last cycle, and I never voted on Adavantos C3. Idk if this is a mistake or not.

@Telepaths I'd like a PM if one becomes available.

I'm placing a vote on Lopen.

I have my reasons for being suspcious, but it doesn't seem wise to state them here which is why I'd like a PM.

Adavantos, Heat Vision just informs you if you're being followed, it doesn't block invisibility.

Edit: ^my bad, this is incorrect.

Edited by queensteph
Posted

@ Adavantos why did you attack Araris?

 

Accelerated healing protects from the lynch once. Is it possible to have double accelerated healing (and nothing else, because that would be OP)?

 

I have a minor suspicion that Mailliw is an eliminator, because he hasn't been defending himself very much, just surviving the lynches. I feel like he's got some sort of protection from either him or the rest of his team, so he doesn't care about being lynched or not.

Posted

Sorry for my unexplained votes. I'm just driving back from my vacation over the long weekend. I only had time to skim over the threads and drop a vote where I started to suspect someone. From now on, I should be more active.

Ada, not retracting the vote on you was a complete mistake.

About the lynch, I had Accelerated healing, hence I survived the first lynch. Then, the second time, I got a PM from Phatt as the cycle ended saying that I was bestowed another power. This was also accelerated healing. I'm not really sure where that came from or why it happened, but it apparently happened before the lynch.

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