Random Stuff VI The Return of the Admins

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

A couple could be played off as jokes... then we get to the Karren Gillan part...

 

Show of hands: How many want a female Doctor? If they can find a woman who could play The Doctor, of course. I have about no interest in cinema, so I cant remember any actors... though going by how awesome Lara Pulver was as Irene...

 

*raises hand and waves it* 

 

Keep calm and tone down on the adjectives. I downvoted before even reading the links, and while I mildly regret it, calling people "disgusting pigs" when they say something stupid, even if it is as stupid as those quotes, is not exactly good for a healthy discussion.

EDIT: A woman as the Doctor:

Whatever. If Time Lords can change sex during restoration, them it would be good to have the main time lord on screen do it at least once.

 

Quick question: Why must women be calm when discussing sexist remarks? 

 

Seriously. A sexist remark can, at best, dismiss a woman's contributions because of something she has no control over. Why must Lark "keep calm and tone down the adjectives" when discussing something so crudely and blatantly offensive? 

[Kestrel she/her]

Keep calm and tone down on the adjectives. I downvoted before even reading the links, and while I mildly regret it, calling people "disgusting pigs" when they say something stupid, even if it is as stupid as those quotes, is not exactly good for a healthy discussion.

I call em as I see em, sorry.

[Zathoth]

*raises hand and waves it* 

 

Not that I will know any names you mention, but anyone you would like to see? XD

[Delightful]

I thought Lark was overstating things until I read those comments.

G-D, that man needs to realise that it's storming 2016 and and he has no excuse not to realise that half the human race are actual thinking people, not needy sexy whatevers hanging around being dumb and pining after him. Maybe that's his wishful thinking but it sure as hell isnt reality.

[DreamEternal]

Quick question: Why must women be calm when discussing sexist remarks?

Quick answer: because there is nothing to be lost by being rational and avoiding angry outbursts, while by answering with anger and heavier adjectives you risk to bring a discussion towards even more anger.

I am not saying sexism is not a bad thing, but is it that hard to not call people pigs on the internet because they are stupid?

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Quick answer: because there is nothing to be lost by being rational and avoiding angry outbursts, while by answering with anger and heavier adjectives you risk to bring a discussion towards even more anger.

I am not saying sexism is not a bad thing, but is it that hard to not call people pigs on the internet because they are stupid?

 

In a word: Yes. 

 

In more words than that: Sexism is a systemic disease that denies women opportunities that they are more than qualified for. It permeates every aspect of our society, from the workplace to entertainment to how history books are written. If men like Moffatt, who have the power to change things are advocating, with their words, for women to remain at the bottom of the heap and be content with it, then women have a right to get angry and express it accordingly. 

 

Anger is powerful. It isn't for every situation, but there's a reason it exists. Those who have been downtrodden repeatedly often have their ability to express anger stolen from them. They're told to calm down, to forgive and forget, to be kind and put themselves in other peoples' shoes. And so they do, and they let people walk on them, because they've been taught that anger is never the answer. They are imprisoned in a vicious cycle by the simple act of convincing them they have nothing to be angry about. So when someone who has been downtrodden rediscovers what it means to be truly, righteously angry, it is one of the most empowering acts there is. 

 

Don't tell them not to express their anger at something that calls for rage. Don't take that power away from them. 

[Orlion Blight he/him]

Quick answer: because there is nothing to be lost by being rational and avoiding angry outbursts, while by answering with anger and heavier adjectives you risk to bring a discussion towards even more anger.

I am not saying sexism is not a bad thing, but is it that hard to not call people pigs on the internet because they are stupid?

Quick rebuttal: a call for calm is usually a means to declaw the opposition. If one only wants to discuss things in a "collected" manner, then by all means do so. That does not mean that someone has to ignore their hurt so others will be more comfortable... particularly because that hurt is part of the reason to call out the behaviour to begin with.

 

As far as the Doctor being female: Moffet did set the stage for this to happen. I can not recall another instance when a Time Lord changed gender/sex/whatever-term-you-want-to-use-I-don't-care before Missy (with the exception of a comedy sketch involving the guy who does Mr. Bean, but that's hardly canon). So even if he will never do it, he has made it feasible for someone else to do so.

 

Now, should they do it? If they do, the necessity for female writers will be a lot greater, I think.

[Kestrel she/her]

I disagree that having a female Doctor will cause a need for female writers. Just good writers, regardless of gender, which the show greatly needs now. Look at Sanderson. Amazing male author who can write female characters very well. It isn't that hard.

Edited January 23, 2016 by LarkoftheRiver

[Delightful]

Calm discussion can be more effective than destructive anger, but righteous indignation can go a long way. The exact line between them I don't know. But there's a time and a place for everything.

Edit: exactly what lark said. Jasnah for one is super feminist, but so are pretty much all of Sandersons female characters who are also very diverse in personality, experience, goals etc. and he's a guy. It can definitely be done right if the writers are willing to put in a little effort to think outside their own immediate experiences.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Delightful

[Orlion Blight he/him]

I disagree that having a female Doctor will cause a need for female writers. Just good writers, regardless of gender, which the show greatly needs now. Look at Sanderson. Amazing male author who can write female characters very well. It isn't that hard.

 

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there should be a balanced perspective. Sanderson can write female characters because he has that balanced perspective/ has people around him that will call him out if how he portrays some demographic is wrong/bad.

 

So yes, you are correct. Female writers are not necessary, but empathetic or people willing to look at different viewpoints are.

[Kestrel she/her]

Well, of course you'll need to get help from people's experiences on the outside. I'm always looking for help on this line when I'm writing a character in a demographic I'm not in.

[Mistrunner]

I still hold to the headcanon that the real way it all ended was, "And then Buffy staked Edward.  The end."

Here you go!

 

 

Also, Scott Kelley is doing an AMA!

[Edgedancer he/him]

As far as the Doctor being female: Moffet did set the stage for this to happen. I can not recall another instance when a Time Lord changed gender/sex/whatever-term-you-want-to-use-I-don't-care before Missy (with the exception of a comedy sketch involving the guy who does Mr. Bean, but that's hardly canon). So even if he will never do it, he has made it feasible for someone else to do so.

 

Now, should they do it? If they do, the necessity for female writers will be a lot greater, I think.

Well to put the female Master thing into perspective (and I have not seen much of the new season, so potentially the entire situation does get turned around) but while the performance of Missy was wonderful the role of the character included much more openly sexual tension between the two and a master plan that essentially included that instead of proving her dominance over the Doctor what essentially boils down to giving all the power to him, making him the dominant one in the relationship.

 

Normally I would file this under something not to get to worked up over but given some of those comments... it may not have been the best start for gender equality is all I'm saying.

[Kaymyth she/her]

Here you go!

 

 

Also, Scott Kelley is doing an AMA!

 

Heh, I've seen that.  And got impatient with it because she took so freakin' long to stake him.  XD

[DreamEternal]

Don't tell them not to express their anger at something that calls for rage. Don't take that power away from them.

There is a great difference between admiting there is a problem, but asking people to keep civil and calm, and telling them there is no problem at all.

Yes, people have all the right to be angry and do something about it, but I also believe that if calling people "pigs" is unlikely to help and simply writing another word is not only possible, but trivial, you shouldn't opt for the more blatantly outraged alternative.

Equaling a call for calm and politeness on the internet to taking the right to speak against prejudice away from people is also an overreaction. If that is not what you and others I didn't reply directly to meant, I am sorry for the misunderstanding, but as I read it, it feels like you are accusing me of supporting misogyny when I asked Lark to tone down on the anger.

Edited January 23, 2016 by DreamEternal

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

There is a great difference between admiting there is a problem, but asking people to keep civil and calm, and telling them there is no problem at all.

Yes, people have all the right to be angry and do something about it, but I also believe that if calling people "pigs" is unlikely to help and simply writing another word is not only possible, but trivial, you shouldn't opt for the more blatantly outraged alternative.

Equaling a call for calm and politeness on the internet to taking the right to speak against prejudice away from people is also an overreaction. If that is not what you and others I didn't reply directly to meant, I am sorry for the misunderstanding, but as I read it, it feels like you are accusing me of supporting misoginy when I asked Lark to tone down on the anger.

 

I'm all for calm and civil discourse, but I read the quotes Lark linked to. Many of them weren't just sexist; they were outright anti-woman, and deeply offensive. Telling someone to discuss those quotes in a calm and civilized manner is actually rather insulting. 

[Zathoth]

Like I said, most of them were so over the top that I thought for a while that they were taken out of context and that he was joking.

 

Then this happened

 

On casting Karen Gillan as “Doctor Who” companion Amy Pond:
“And I thought, ‘well she’s really good. It’s just a shame she’s so wee and dumpy’…When she was about to come through to the auditions I nipped out for a minute and I saw Karen walking on the corridor towards me and I realised she was 5’11, slim and gorgeous and I thought ‘Oh, oh that’ll probably work.'”

I dont even

 

Moffat

 

really

 

I

 

sigh

 

theres

 

i dont have anything witty to say about this, which is a level of so stupid it is actually the best insult in my arsenal.

[Allomancy she/her]

Uhhhhh guys. This topic is sorta getting a bit pessimistic. Can we change to a kinder topic, with less fighting and less talking about people rudely. It's kinda making the atmosphere of the conversations darken.

[DreamEternal]

I'm all for calm and civil discourse, but I read the quotes Lark linked to. Many of them weren't just sexist; they were outright anti-woman, and deeply offensive. Telling someone to discuss those quotes in a calm and civilized manner is actually rather insulting.

Now we have reached the end of my compreension. Being calm and civilezed as you write does not stop you from being insulted by such quotes. As I said before, calling people "pigs" on a forum most people agree with you on a greater or lesser degree does not stop sexism, so why not just choose to write something else? Typing is not as direct as speaking, so it is easier to control such angry impulses.

I will not drag this discussion for longer, since we apparently have found a fundamental difference in reasoning that renders agreement impossible, but I stand by my opinion.

Edited January 23, 2016 by DreamEternal

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Now we have reached the end of my compreension. Being calm and civilezed as you write does not stop you from being insulted by such quotes. As I said before, calling people "pigs" on a forum most people agree with you on a greater or lesser degree does not stop sexism, so why not just choose to write something else? Typing is not as direct as speaking, so it is easier to control such angry impulses.

I will not drag this discussion for longer, since we apparently have found a fundamental difference in reasoning that renders agreement impossible, but I stand by my opinion.

 

That's it. I'm done. 

[Zathoth]

Well on a slightly happier note (for the rest of you) I havent gotten my copy of Bands of Mourning yet. And the bookstore is closed on weekends, so I'll get it on monday the earliest.

 

Sigh, I should have ordered from the book store that is slightly further away, but open on weekends...

[Kestrel she/her]

Yikes this escalated.

[DreamEternal]

Yikes this escalated.

Not my fault . I think. Maybe.

Sorry for that downvote, BTW. People calling others "pigs" or things like that are a pet peeve of mine.

EDIT: And why are people downvoting my last post on that discussion, but not the rest? Whoever downvoted, feel free to PM me so I can know if I just wrote something terribly offensive on that especific post.

Edited January 23, 2016 by DreamEternal

[Delightful]

[Kobold King he/him]

 

 

 

 

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