Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[Herowannabe he/him]

I think I trust Sart for now. I kind of want to lynch Hero, but I also feel like lynching a semi-inactive might help, because there's almost certainly a Spiked there. Unfortunately, I don't know how helpful lynching a semi-active would actually be, and I don't really have any suspicions of my own, so for the moment I'll follow Maill's dying wish and vote Hero. I'm planning on at least a partial reread tonight, though, so I may retract that if anyone else seems more suspicious.

You do realize that Maill's dying request was to kill Mark first, then me, right? Just saying.

There are 2 hours left. If you're all set on killing me, fine. When I'm shown good, listen to this please:

Kill Mark next, then Hero. If a Mistborn finally gets lucky enough to pull Steel, do this for me. Elb or Jain should be next, with Ripple and Weiry after that.

Edit: a thought just occurred to me. One which I feel best not to discuss in thread. However, It had changed my mind about a few things. I still don't think that revealing roles is a good idea, but I no longer suspect Sart for proposing it. In fact, I'm going to join him in voting for Elkanah- who has done at excellent job at flying under my radar all game.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Herowannabe

[Elbereth she/her]

One last thing, I'm not sure we have a Mistborn. Can anyone confirm(personally or by proxy) that there is/ever was a Mistborn in the game? Meta's role distribution might have eliminated the Mistborn.

Wasn't there a Tineye message that claimed Mistborn? Or was that from one of the claimed Tineyes? I don't recall, which is why I'm planning on a thread reread tonight.

You do realize that Maill's dying request was to kill Mark first, then me, right? Just saying.

...Right.

I did in fact forget. However, I'm not actually particularly suspicious of Mark, so I'll be keeping my vote on you. For now.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Fair enough.

Anyone else feel like pitching in today's discussion?

[RippleGylf she/her]

I don't think we should reveal roles, simply because it only makes it easier for the eliminators to pick and choose the best roles to kill off. At this point, if they're some of the more active players, they could possibly control the lynch. My gut is pointing to Hero. You haven't provided any reasoning for voting for Elkanah, especially after voting for Sart, who is also voting for Elkanah. Could you at least explain some of your suspicions? I realize that you don't want to reveal the sudden thought that completely changed your mind, but you could at least explain why other than the fact that you think Sart's innocent now.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Part of the reason is that the Eliminators have proven they're not inactive. They've never missed getting a kill order in and they've managed to control the lynch enough that aside from the freak day 1 lynch of Lopen none have them have died. Also all of their kill decisions have been tactically sound decisions. Plus, if one of the Eliminators is an eliminator then they have also been submitting their soothe orders most every cycle. I suspect that at least 2 of the Eliminators are on our list of "active" players.

Elkanah fits the bill of someone who has been active, but who has managed to fly low and stay under everyone's radar all game. Perfect place for an Eliminator to be.

Second, I also trust Sart to some extent. More than anyone else right now, at least. So rather than look for an alternate lynch target to compete with his suggestion I felt it better to join with him in trying to lynch Elk. We're at the point in the game where we can't afford to spread out votes around, unfortunately. We need at least a 2 vote lead on whoever we're trying to lynch in order to ensure that the Eliminators don't muck up the vote with rioting/soothing/vote swings.

Edit: typo

Edited January 22, 2016 by Herowannabe

[phattemer]

Well, I guess I'll also vote for Elkanah to help address vote shenanigans.

[Mark IV he/him]

I get a feeling that Sart is innocent. No spiked smoker in their right mind would roleclaim (unless of course, they're really smart and really manipulative).

Other than that, I don't really have any other conclusions.

[Mark IV he/him]

Vote tally? Please?

[Elbereth she/her]

Plus, if one of the Eliminators is an eliminator then they have also been submitting they smooth orders most every cycle.

Not entirely sure what you meant here...

Vote tally:

Elkanah (3): Sart, Hero, Phattemer

Sart (0): Hero

Hero (1): Elbereth

Other thoughts will have to wait until later.

[Sart he/him]

Not entirely sure what you meant here...

Vote tally:

Elkanah (3): Sart, Hero, Phattemer

Sart (0): Hero

Hero (2): Elbereth, Ripple

Other thoughts will have to wait until later.

 

You forgot Ripple's vote on Hero, so I added it in. I'm concerned that no one is defending Elkanah. I need to read back through his posts.

[Mark IV he/him]

You forgot Ripple's vote on Hero, so I added it in. I'm concerned that no one is defending Elkanah. I need to read back through his posts.

Is anyone supposed to defend elkanah? Wouldn't that mean he's spiked? Hence, why would anyone defend him either way, spiked or not?

I'm just confused thats all. I'm not scrutinising your post.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Not entirely sure what you meant here...

Vote tally:

Elkanah (3): Sart, Hero, Phattemer

Sart (0): Hero

Hero (1): Elbereth

Other thoughts will have to wait until later.

Whoops. That should have been "soothe orders," not "smooth orders." I blame autocorrect.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Second, I also trust Sart to some extent. More than anyone else right now, at least. So rather than look for an alternate lynch target to compete with his suggestion I felt it better to join with him in trying to lynch Elk. We're at the point in the game where we can't afford to spread out votes around, unfortunately. We need at least a 2 vote lead on whoever we're trying to lynch in order to ensure that the Eliminators don't muck up the vote with rioting/soothing/vote swings.

 

I just don't see how you can trust Sart right after trying to lynch him.

[Sart he/him]

Okay, it's time for some more analysis.

First, another player list.

 

Active Players:

Mark (not voting), Hero, Sart, Ripple, Phattemer, Elbereth

 

Verified, but not Contributing:

Luckat and Orlok

 

Absent from today, but still semi-active:

Mashadar and Elkanah

 

Not Posting:

Weiry and Jain

 

Actually Inactive:

Creccio and Bort

 

It's reasonable to assume that we have at least three active Spiked still. It's likely that we have four, but let's look at a best case scenario. Since we know that they have been sending in their kill orders on time, at least one of them has been active each night. We can safely remove Creccio and Bort from our active threats, and I'm willing to give Weiry the benefit of the doubt as she stated she wasn't playing in blue text. I'm disappointed that our verified people are not showing up, but I can't do anything about that. Likewise, I'm concerned that Mashadar and Elkanah haven't spoken up. This cycle will determine the fate of the game. Therefore, I don't think an Eliminator would miss it.

 

Thus I'm suspicious of everyone who actually posted in the thread. I'm doubly suspicious of anyone who actually followed my poke vote. Last night, I said I suspected Jain of being an Eliminator. Then I voted for Elkanah. However, a quick look at Day 1's vote tally shows that Elkanah voted for Jain. Since I'm suspicious of Jain, logically I shouldn't have voted for Elkanah. However, no one picked up on that. Instead, both Hero and Phattemer jumped onto my vote. Both of their reasoning leaves something to be desired. Hero claims that Elkanah was active throughout the game, yet he missed two whole cycles. Phattemer jumped on to prevent vote manipulation. That's a terrible excuse. The only way we lynched an Eliminator was through vote manipulation. I'm tempted to vote for Hero, but he already has two votes on him. Given that there are likely to be several active Eliminators, I worry that one of them is also contributing to that vote. Therefore, I'm putting a vote on Jain. We can't win the game with this little participation. We need to draw it out. The best way to do that is kill someone who is still active on 17thshard, but has posted nothing in weeks! That screams Eliminator to me. So please, let's join the Contribution Crusade one last time and find out if he's really guilty.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

I would put a not insignificant amount of money on Sart being evil - at this stage in the game, prolonging it is madness, and a vote on an inactive does nothing. However, I think it more conceivable to get a lynch on Hero - although don't think it particularly likely even so!

[luckat she/her]

First I’ll mention that revealing roles won’t give the spiked a list of people to kill because they already have confirmed people to kill and it doesn’t seem like the roles they would want to kill exist. I don’t think revealing roles helps us much since the spiked know what lies to tell anyway, but it doesn’t really hurt us.

Second, if all the spiked are active we can’t make a mistake this turn. If any are inactive, we have a bit more time, but not much. It is possible for us to basically lose before we technically do because of inactives and soothers/rioters. If Sart is telling the truth about being a village smoker, spiked emotional allomancy is less dangerous for us, but we’re still in a pretty bad position. At this point, we need every villager on the same person to guarantee a lynch. It is likely the spiked will join us for now, even on a spiked target, so they don’t make it obvious who they are, but we are in a lot of danger.

Next, I’m going to go through the player list and say my thoughts (skipping Orlok because he’s confirmed). I don’t know how useful any of this is though.

Sart has been quite active the last few cycles. His activity makes me think there is a good chance he is a villager because of how much he seems to be trying to help the village. However, there are a few other things that are a bit odd.

His Smoker claim raises my suspicions. I don’t like his defense that a Spiked Smoker would never reveal themselves as a Smoker. That’s exactly why one would: because the idea of it is so absurd that doing so gains trust. But more than that, I think the way he claims to have used his power is odd. Why did he smoke himself in case of vote manipulation when he almost never voted anyway? Wouldn’t leaving himself open for a potential seeker be better if he wasn’t voting and there would be plenty of other targets for soothers and rioters? It also doesn’t really match what he said here. Did he smoke himself even on Night 7, when whoever smoked Maill was active, but also when Sart’s name was on a list of potential seeking candidates? Why let up the same night the seeker was killed? You can say the spiked wouldn’t have dared neglect smoking with the seeker still alive, but there was evidence against a lurcher existing given the previous deaths of Ada, Stink, Wyrm, and especially Kipper. So they knew he was likely to not have a chance to scan anyone that night. And if you were thinking of revealing yourself to gain trust or wanted to avoid being revealed as a smoker through emotional allomancy, it might have seemed worth the risk.

I think expressing suspicion of Jain is unhelpful. Jain is inactive. He has occasionally logged in, but he hasn’t posted in cycles, and he has gone several stretches without logging in at all. If he is spiked, killing him doesn’t even accomplish much since it is unlikely he is helping them anyway. If he isn’t, then we just waste a cycle. It feels a bit like Sart is stalling until the spiked can bring down our numbers even more.

Also, since Maill turned out to be innocent, I can’t get the suspicion that one of the people who encouraged the lynch on him was spiked out of my head. Sart certainly tried to get Maill lynched. This is a smaller thing though.

Hero has been up for the lynch often recently, largely because he was high on Maill’s suspicion list. When he realized how close he had come to being lynched, he encouraged a lynch on Maill. He also said today that he thought the spiked were controlling the lynches, but for the most part it has been villagers lynching villagers. If anything, he was a driving force behind Maill’s lynch. I feel like he’s been jumping around a bit much today.

Elkanah challenged Sart after he revealed himself as a Smoker. I don’t quite understand how that drew Sart’s suspicion so fast, especially since I expressed some doubt in response to that too. But more than that, I am wondering why Elkanah hasn’t responded at all. Could he just not come up with a good enough response and hoped the suspicion on him would die down? I also would like an explanation from Elkanah about this post. It looks like a code of some kind, but given he was never in contact with a Seeker or anything, I’d like to know if its purpose was anything other than just trying to confuse people. At this point, there’s not much point in keeping secrets.

Elbereth hasn’t really been high on my radar this game. I’m not sure why. Maill thought she was suspicious. I think that was largely because she kept her vote on HS. She’s been pretty active this game. I could go either way on her.

Ripple was inactive for a very long stretch of time this game. She gave a reason for this (exams), but not until she was prompted. It also happened that she went silent right after a day when she was up for the lynch. Most of the votes on her were ultimately removed on Day 2 (close to the end of the cycle), but one remained: the first one. And that one happened to be soothed. Interestingly enough, no one really brought that up. So I am wondering: Why was Orlok’s vote for Ripple soothed Day 2? Is it because she is a soother? Or was a spiked soother trying to protect her? And, while I understand being busy because of tests, why didn’t she at least drop by to say why she was gone for so long until I called her out? Was she trying to lay low after the Day 2 lynch?

Mark claims to be a Thug. I kind of wonder if that is just to deter us from lynching him. Also, that’s not usually something you want public because it just tells the spiked not to bother attacking you. I feel like he has been pretty active all game, although his posts are usually pretty brief. Maill had him high on his suspect list. I don’t think he would be the best choice to lynch at this point, especially if he really is a Thug.

Phatt has been quiet often this game, although him GMing is enough to explain that. I feel like he might have made more effort to post in this game if he was spiked. However, he did seem to want to lynch Maill a lot. That probably doesn’t mean much though.

Mashadar has been pretty inactive. He’s been on and posted enough that I am hopeful he will vote when we need it, although he hasn’t voted much this game. However, he hasn’t even been on this turn at all. He could be laying low. He retracted his vote from HS right after Maill mentioned someone having scanned him. It could be that he never felt that strongly about HS, or it could be that he didn’t want to risk voting for someone who had supposedly been scanned.

Jain has been logged out about as many turns this game as he has been logged in. He has been the go to for an inactive lynch, partly because he was close to being lynched the first day. Whenever he has posted, it has been about his inactivity. His most recent post almost seems like a challenge to us to lynch him, which combined with him being a Thug makes me wonder if he was trying to get us to waste a lynch on an inactive Thug. However, that isn’t strong evidence. Even if he is spiked, there isn’t much reason to lynch him. It is doubtful he is aiding them at all, and if he is ever the last “semi-active” spiked left, he will have to log in more often or he will miss kills.

Weiry has obviously been logged in to the shard since he is an admin. However, I am inclined to take his post here at face value, even though it wasn’t technically in blue text. I’d say he counts as inactive.

Bort hasn’t posted all game. He went a long stretch without being logged in. He did get on the shard recently and post, but he ignored this game. Maybe he forgot about it. I’m calling him inactive for now.

Creccio hasn’t been on since his one post. I doubt he’s coming back for this game.
 

I won't vote just yet. I haven't quite decided who I think is most suspicious. But I plan to cast a vote before the cycle ends. I know I'm not doing a good job of being active or doing anything in a timely manner. I'm sorry about that.

[Mashadar Mistborn he/him]

I didn't realize how important this cycle was or I would have been on more. Sorry about that.

I'm going to place my vote on Sart .

I don't understand the purpose of revealing as a Smoker at all. If you are village, then given the number of smokers revealed, you are giving the spiked, who probably have emotional allomancers, a target. If you are spiked on the other hand, I find that you have managed to deflect suspicions quite well with an audacious roleclaim. I see that this maneuver would likely benefit a spiked by deflecting suspicions than it would by making a villager a target. Maybe I'm missing something, but your reveal doesn't make sense to me.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Mashadar Mistborn

[Elbereth she/her]

I'm willing to give Weiry the benefit of the doubt as she stated she wasn't playing in blue text.

Weiry is male, by the way.

I unfortunately didn't manage a complete reread of the thread, due to unfortunate circumstances (I didn't get home until 9, I was very nearly co-GM for MR11 unexpectedly, and then today there were two unforeseen hours in a car), but I did read through a portion (up to C3, I think?), and I'm beginning to believe Maill was right, and Mark is an eliminator.

There are various things that make me think that. For instance, he was very suspicious of Wyrm, who we now know to be innocent. But then, so were several people who have been proven innocent since, so that alone isn't a determining factor. Though it is worth noting that as far as I've read, he's the only person still alive to have cast suspicion on Wyrm, and I would think there would be an eliminator in there somewhere.

He also posts something in a code on N2. What was that, Mark? I don't recall ever learning.

The most damning factor, in my opinion, is this quote:

Woo hoo! One spiked down. Err, how many more to go?

IMO, that was a lot of emotional allomancy. And that is why I'm with smoking of people (I know! Smoking is bad for health!) . Could someone smoke me tonight?

Another thing, who was suspicious of Lippen? I think that person is a Rioter. (I'm on my phone, and so it is rather difficult for me to check right now)

Anyways, congratulations on catching our first spiked!

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Four just stood in his spot. He was filled with joy at killing the first spiked! But, that was quite scary, in his opinion, that the votes were changed so dramatically. But, he felt that it was okay. If the town smokers burnt their copper effectively, that could afterall negate the soothing and rioting.

This is directly after we managed to kill Lopen. He was extraordinarily excited about that lynch, more than any other person who posted a reaction. This is often an eliminator tactic, as I and others have found in various games.

Also, he asks to be Smoked in that same post. While it's ostensibly because Soothers wouldn't be able to affect his vote, it strikes me as also very useful for an Eliminator, having an extra smoke for a cycle or two. Even mentioning the possibility lowered the likelihood he would be targeted by a Seeker that night.

I won't put a vote on him, though, because it's unfortunately too late in the cycle to try to lynch him anyway.

[luckat she/her]

Here's a vote tally
Elkanah (2): Sart1, Hero2, Phatt
Sart (1): Hero1, Mashadar
Hero (4): Elbereth, Ripple, Orlok, Lu
Jain (1): Sart2

 

I suppose I'll go with Maill and Orlok and vote Hero. Even though I still suspect Ripple and Sart. Making a two vote difference to ensure a lynch is probably our best bet at this point.

Edited January 23, 2016 by luckat

[Herowannabe he/him]

Well last minute confession time I guess:

I'm not an eliminator. I'm a village smoker. I have revealed this to nobody until now, and up until this cycle I have kept my cloud off every night.

The reason I never said anything about my role sooner is that in short I agreed with Kasimir when he suspected that at least one smoker was an eliminator. Since I knew I was a village smoker I kept quiet about my role since revealing I was a smoker would just muddy the waters even more and make it harder to find the eliminator smoker(s).

Looks like that didn't matter much anyway.

The reason I switched and decided to trust Sart is that I think he's lying about being a smoker. I think he's our mistborn. If we have any active Lurchers out there I suggest protecting Sart or one of the two confirmed players tonight.

Good luck team village!

[Elbereth she/her]

In that case.... Hero. Ripple. Might not do much, but I'm now inclined to believe you.

Sorry, Meta, if I changed anything.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Yeah probably won't do much but Elkanah Ripple. maybe it will throw off vote manipulations at least

Edit: typos

Edited January 23, 2016 by Herowannabe

[Mark IV he/him]

Perfect time for an RP

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Strolling around the village in the middle of the day was quite relaxing in Four's opinion. It took away the tensions and the sensation of impending doom.

At a leisurely pace, Four rounded the corner and landed up in front of the canton. perhaps I should say something in there. They'll call me spiked otherwise.

As he began approaching the canton, he heard El clear voice- "....and the most dancing factor, in my opunion, is this. He had said 'Woo hoo! One spiked down. Err, how many more to go?'"

Wait! Isn't that what I had said? El's going against me? After I help her? In a hurried manner, Four rushed into the canton right when El inished speaking.

"I guess you'll want to hear from me now"

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Well, El (that rhymes)

Your first point I disagree with. I've had suspicions on a lot of people, but I didn't voice them because they weren't strong enough. Also, you'll find that this happens a lot of times. I'm referring to the fact that I am the only person alive who dI'd vote for Wyrm. One more thing- why does being the last person alive who voted for Wyrm make me suspicious? Do you think/know for sure that the eliminators are going for people who suspected wyrm? If so, please do share.

Your second point ( after the code part) is also contestable. I was simply happy that an eliminator was lynched. It is my first game after all. And one the first day, the first eliminator or was killed. I should be happy, shouldn't I?

And, the code part was basically for revealing my role in case I needed to, but in retrospect, that was really useless on my part.

Hah! Finished before the turnover!

[Metacognition he/him]

Night 10: The Unwanted Path

Tyrian Falls was in shambles. It seemed as if every other house had been burned to the ground and those that still stood were in a state of such disrepair that it would be understandable if someone thought it was a ghost town. Ash and trash littered the streets with more of the same buried under mounds of last night’s snow.

It was in this desolate place that Herwynbe walked the streets.

It wasn’t quite yet noon and there were no people out and about. That didn’t mean that they weren’t watching though. As he turned his head to the side, he heard the clasp of a shutter closing before he could see who had been peering out at him.

The day had not been kind to the steward. It had started like any other. He cleaned himself and shaved. He ate breakfast and put on his robes, making sure that everything was in place. He tried to make himself an example of order in the chaos that surrounded him. He took a few deep breaths, centering himself, before he left the small hut that he rented to make his way to the Canton building and the assured arguments to come.

He hadn’t made it beyond his front door before he saw the note nailed to his door.

Terrisman,
It is time you left. The rest of us have discussed it and we believe that you and your foreign ways are part of the reason that our village is falling apart. Take your Spiked and leave us in peace so that the rest of us can stand a chance. Your kind is no longer welcome here. Leave. Please?

Sincerely,
The Villagers of Tyrian Falls.

They had been surprisingly polite, considering they were basically sentencing him to death.

Ever the gentleman, and not foolish enough to think that they wouldn’t kill him if he didn’t, Herwynbe had gathered his things. At first he tried to leave heading west, but he found the path blocked. So he tried north with similar success. He didn’t even bother trying south; it was obvious what they were doing now.

They were herding him towards the approaching Koloss. They probably even had Slart set up to follow him out of town to make sure that he didn’t deviate.

When one’s options are limited to death or death, Herwynbe chose the one that allowed him to make that decision for himself. So he walked the street of Tyrian Falls with his head held high and his back straight for the last time; heading east and towards the plumes of black smoke that could now be seen in the distance.

If was getting on to late afternoon before he finally stopped. There was a small cove of trees up ahead that would provide some shelter for the night and he made his way to them. Surprisingly, he had passed beyond the smoke from the Koloss campfires. Somehow he had made it past the Koloss horde without calling them down upon him. The slightest glimmer of hope ignited in his chest, but he didn’t let it grow. He wasn’t safe by a long shot.

He was only a couple of meters from the cove of trees when the Koloss stepped out of them. It was one of the shorter ones; which still meant that it towered over Herwynbe.

For his part, the Koloss looked more startled than Herwynbe did. Herwynbe just let out a long sigh and dropped the sack with all of his belongings beside him.

“Because of course you are here,” he stated to the Koloss, a wry smile on his face.

The two stood like that for about half a minute before it seemed that the Koloss finally understood what was happening. It roared as it finally charged him.

Herwynbe didn’t even flinch as the blade fell.
 

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Night 10 begins! You have 24 hours until the end of the turn

Herwynbe was a Village Smoker!

Current Player List

Votes
Herwynbe (3): Locke, Clara, Lu
Clara (2): Herwynbe, El
Kane (1): Exisa
Slart (1): Kilven
Jain (1): Slart

No Votes (6): Bartholomew, Unknown, Riew, Inor, Jain, Kane

 EDIT: Fixed the voting after the last minute stuff.   As much as it sucks that I didn't catch it before, I'm glad I still didn't accidentally kill you, Hero by not noticing it! 

Edited May 27, 2017 by Alvron

[Herowannabe he/him]

@Meta it looks like you missed the last minute vote changes. Not that it affects the outcome any.[/famouslastwords] *dies*

Edit: I'm totally coming back as a Koloss to exact my revenge.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Herowannabe