Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[Sart he/him]

Okay, if Hael is evil, next go for Hero and then Elbereth and then Luckat.

If you're going to kill me, screw it, but if I've known about Hael since cycle 2 or 3, why wouldn't I have killed him? Or Kipper or Alv, who I've known about for a few cycles too? At this point, we need to kill Hael and find out if his scans can be trusted or not. Orlok, weren't you yourself the one advocating Kill the Cop with Burnt in LG15?

We already had 3 Village Smokers, so Spiked having the only Seeker isn't that outlandish.

 

Well Mailliw, it looks like you dug your own grave. What happened to that other Seeker, whose Proxy you were in contact with? Where did he go? If you believe that there is only one Seeker, why haven't you outed the Proxy yet? You've seriously contradicted yourself here. At this point, you're obviously a spiked. Sorry, but you lose.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

I was, Maill; and wouldn't be averse to repeating it should there not be a viable alternative - but given your staunch opposition to him, a lynch of you is likely to be indicative to some extent of his alignment anyway - and would reassure my intuition anyway.

Even if we do ultimately decide to kill Hael, we shouldn't do so until late in the cycle - doing so loses us the lynch discussion for 24 hours.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Well Mailliw, it looks like you dug your own grave. What happened to that other Seeker, whose Proxy you were in contact with? Where did he go? If you believe that there is only one Seeker, why haven't you outed the Proxy yet? You've seriously contradicted yourself here. At this point, you're obviously a spiked. Sorry, but you lose.

Alright, I'm done with this. There is no other Seeker in contact with me. I made it all up to gather information and save Hellscythe. I don't lose. Even if I die, I don't necessarily lose. This kind of attitude is what will get us killed. We need to know if we can trust Hael's scans or not. 

 

At this point, you have no idea what's going on with this game or are evil.

 

I was, Maill; and wouldn't be averse to repeating it should there not be a viable alternative - but given your staunch opposition to him, a lynch of you is likely to be indicative to some extent of his alignment anyway - and would reassure my intuition anyway.

Even if we do ultimately decide to kill Hael, we shouldn't do so until late in the cycle - doing so loses us the lynch discussion for 24 hours.

Then let's do it. My alignment is in no way indicative of his. Villagers go after villagers all the time. 

[Haelbarde he/him]

Something to take into consideration is that the Spiked believed Ada and Kipper were scanned by a Seeker, and killed them. If you don't lynch me, there is a fair chance I will be the one to die. My suggestion is this. Give me a chance, and trust my scans. Take them into consideration and lynch another suspicion. Then, tonight, either I will die to the Spiked kill, or I will survive, with another scan, maybe even a Spiked. I will then willing submit to being lynched, if that is still your wish.

My scsns, in order, have been:

1. ???

2. Ada

3. Alv

4. Kipper

5. Wyrm

6. Orlok

7. Mail

I will leave it up to my first scan to come forward if they wish. And I can confirm that Mail has known I was a Seeker since cycle 2/3.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

You have a Lurcher, Hael. You aren't dying.

[Elbereth she/her]

El woke in the morning, lying on a hard ground which was softened by the cloak that only slightly smelled of Kassien anymore. She smiled inexplicably, for the first time in days, and got up. Four was already gone, of course. She'd slept in a bit.

She made her way down and walked into the Canton to begin her work. Fortunately, no one had moved her bowl of herbs overnight. She shook out the current poultice, which had settled, and stored it away. Then she grabbed a handful of bay leaves, put them in her bowl, and walked over to the others discussing the Spiked.

She sat and listened as she shredded the leaves, an open declaration that the Spiked would have to kill her, too, if they wanted to get rid of an apothecarist for the town.

She smiled again, though it stretched her mouth strangely. But this time, there wasn't anything happy about it. She would find the spiked. And then they would die.

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I'm not even sure if El's happy mood is in character, or just me.

Alright, I'm done with this. There is no other Seeker in contact with me. I made it all up to gather information and save Hellscythe. I don't lose. Even if I die, I don't necessarily lose. This kind of attitude is what will get us killed. We need to know if we can trust Hael's scans or not.

At this point, you have no idea what's going on with this game or are evil.

This tells me Maill isn't evil. I wasn't convinced before, but this (and other things, but particularly this bit) implies strongly that he's good. I could be wrong, of course. Maybe he's just that good. But this doesn't sound like that to me. So I'll be trusting him for the moment.

I'm also inclined to accept Hael's bargain, which leaves me without a target, really. And I really am not inclined to lynch an inactive two cycles in a row. Definitely unwise given that the Spiked are continuing to kill villagers consistently.

Given that, I'll abstain for the moment until something catches my eye.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Elbereth

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Okay, Hael, you want one more cycle, fine. Orlok. Elb, there's your alternative lynch target. I'm also down to lynch Hero. But, I request that if I die tonight, you lynch Hael and Hero.

[Elbereth she/her]

Duly noted.

Why Orlok? He wasn't even in your suspicions list, earlier this cycle.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

He was at the very beginning of the game, if you remember, and this cycle has come back to my attention. His posts just seem forced and atypical.

[Alvron]

Maill, Orlok was scanned by Hael so unless Hael is evil, which I'm not discounting, then Orlok is a villager.  I would much rather lynch Hero this cycle and see who the Spiked go after during the night.  While I have little to base my suspicions on Hero is one of the few active players that hasn't been scanned.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Alvron

[Mark IV he/him]

El, my role play character is four or unknown. Mark is my profile name. Just FYI. Also, I suspect Hael, but I'll put up a reasons list, then vote for him.

[Mark IV he/him]

For me, Hael is quite suspect for the following reasons-

1)He's not gotten any spiked in his scans. That could be bad luck OR it could be that's he knows who's spiked, and is scanning regulars to find out their roles.

2) As Orlok said, he's carved himself a nice spot to chill in while the rest of us battle the each other to death.

3) He's not said much this entire game except, I guess, in PMs in his seeker group.

4) So, basically, he's been participating without contributing.

One more thing struck my mind that Maill and Hael both could be Spiked, and they're pulling a Kill the Gazette Gambit (KGG as I'd like to call it). I don't really know what that's called, but I'm saying that the both of them are trying to get each other killed, so as to gain full trust of the group.

I'm not too sure about this scenario, but I'm exploring all possibilities.

Now, don't you go targeting me with all your votes cause I put up a vote.

EDIT: Fixed mistakes.

Also, could I request a vote tally from someone?

Edited January 16, 2016 by Mark IV

[Sart he/him]

Okay, we need a vote count.

 

Hael (1): Mailliw(1), Orlok(1), Mark

Mailliw (3): Phattemer, Sart, Orlok(2)

Orlok (1): Mailliw(2)

Hero (1): Alv

 

I'm glad we finally got that information out in the open. I need to do some statistics, but I'll be back in a bit.

[Mark IV he/him]

Thanks Sart!

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Orlok. Alv, that's true. I didn't think of that. We can go for him after Hael. Mark

[Mark IV he/him]

Thanks Maill. I try to go with you for once, and you go against me. •_•

Also, would you care to elaborate? Or is that too overrated?

Edited January 16, 2016 by Mark IV

[Haelbarde he/him]

The more active players to not be scanned are Hero, Mark, Elbereth, Mail. Sart, sorta. They would be the main ones I can think of.

Mark, my goal has been to stay alive. I didn't want to get killed by the Spiked because they thought I was dangerous. If I started going after the wrong people in thread, that could get me killed.

I'll also say that I consulted the people I had scanned when choosing targets. Ada was chosen because I thought Alv was likely to get smoked after the discussion around him offering to be scanned. I believe Alv was then Ada's suggestion (I'll check and edit this after). Kipper was suggested by the group. I ignored the group when I scanned Wyrm, but I wanted to put my mind at rest. Orlok was the groups decision, and Mail was Kippers suggestion, as you all saw. So as far as the targets were concerned, I haven't been choosing my own targets entirely.

Now, a question: Does anyone know if any Soothers/rioters have run into any active Smokers? Actually, that's something. The Spiked Smoker has their cloud up this turn. If Mail isn't the smoker himself, then if you Soothers can catch someone else who has been Smoked, we'll have found ourselves a Spiked. Mail can't be Soothed this turn, and if you are willing to trust me for this turn, then it's a waste to Sooth Alv, Orlok, myself, and the other scanned player. I would ask people to vote. To catch the Smoker, they need to vote, but if no one else votes, they can hide. Of course the more votes placed makes it less likely to target the Smoker, but a lower chance is better than no chance.

I shall follow Alv with a vote on Hero, for the time being.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Haelbarde

[Mark IV he/him]

Thanks Hael . Well, for now, I don't really have any suspicions, but I'm confident that I'll suspect someone by the end of today, I.E. someone is bound to pull a suspicious maneuver.

Also, Maill, I'm still waiting.

[Sart he/him]

Okay, so assuming my math is correct, there is an 18.4% chance of Haelbarde being a Village Seeker who keeps missing. While that isn't great odds, when I was a Cop role I managed to get five innocent people before finally getting an Eliminator. Unfortunately, I never told the thread about it, so it went to waste, but I can understand where Hael is coming from. Therefore, I'm inclined to give Hael the benefit of the doubt.

 

Next, I want to take a look at the lynch yesterday. I can't believe that such a radical shift in vote would occur, especially when the eventual lynchee was an inactive. Not only that, but he was seriously inactive. According to his user page, he hadn't logged onto the site since January 7th. Even if he is an Eliminator, he isn't harming us directly, since player's must PM the GM in order to do actions. Therefore, I believe a closer analysis of the votes last cycle will be useful.

 

First off, Maill votes for Hael. We now know that Maill knew that Hael was a Seeker. It's a dangerous move by Maill, since he is the only one who knows that Hael is likely the only Seeker.

 

Second, Hero votes for Maill. Maill bluffed to the thread that his Seeker verified that Hellscythe was good. However, Maill shouldn't have known that. He's since stated that he didn't have a Seeker. So then, how did you know that Hellscythe was innocent. There's only one target of Hael's scans that we don't know about. However, Hael has implied that person is still alive. Thus, there shouldn't be a reason for Maill to defend Hellscythe. In fact, he even voted for him on Day 3. Even more suspicious, Hellscythe apparently outed Maill as a Village Soother while tying the votes to save his own skin. There's no reason for Mailliw to try this bait and switch tactic on someone he thinks is guilty. This is a major contradiction.

 

Third, Phattemer cites the "Shallan Debacle" as proof that Mailliw is playing with fire, and casts a vote his way.

 

Fourth, Alvron puts the first vote on Jain. Alvron was also fairly inactive, so this is really calling the kettle black.

 

Fifth, Kipper wants Mailliw to reveal the non-existent Proxy, and places a vote.

 

Sixth, Mailliw says that is too high profile (LOL) and changes to Jain.

 

Seventh, Hael has hit another innocent (Orlok) and doesn't know who to vote for. He throws a vote on Jain and ties up the vote.

 

Eight, Elbereth calls Mailliw out on the Hellscythe scandal, and puts a vote on him.

 

Ninth, Hero changes his vote from Mailliw to Jain, citing the Contribution Crusade. He knows it's a bad idea, but he does it anyway to make the game more fun.

 

Finally, Elkanah votes for Jain to prevent vote shenanigans.

 

Strangely, we have two votes missing on Mailliw in the total. It seems logical that Mailliw is a Soother, so that at least counts for one missing vote.

 

So, we have 5 people voting for Jain: The Verified (Alvron), The Desperate One (Mailliw), The Seeker (Haelbarde), The Fun-Lover (Hero), and the Clincher (Elkanah).

 

There's one obvious suspect in all of this: Mailliw. His game style has been erratic at best, and he has already made several contradictions. Therefore, I urge you to vote for him.

[Mark IV he/him]

Let me ruminate over this. Thanks for the info Sart.

Also, could someone direct me to the Shallan debacle, or tell me in brief what it was?

[phattemer]

Wilson put the second vote on someone for a not very good reason, and they were lynched by a bandwagon.

[Mark IV he/him]

I see. Welcome back Phattemer!

Edited January 16, 2016 by Mark IV

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Thanks Hael . Well, for now, I don't really have any suspicions, but I'm confident that I'll suspect someone by the end of today, I.E. someone is bound to pull a suspicious maneuver.

Also, Maill, I'm still waiting.

You seem to bandwagon on everyone and just have seemed off recently.   

 

Second, Hero votes for Maill. Maill bluffed to the thread that his Seeker verified that Hellscythe was good. However, Maill shouldn't have known that. He's since stated that he didn't have a Seeker. So then, how did you know that Hellscythe was innocent. There's only one target of Hael's scans that we don't know about. However, Hael has implied that person is still alive. Thus, there shouldn't be a reason for Maill to defend Hellscythe. In fact, he even voted for him on Day 3. Even more suspicious, Hellscythe apparently outed Maill as a Village Soother while tying the votes to save his own skin. There's no reason for Mailliw to try this bait and switch tactic on someone he thinks is guilty. This is a major contradiction.

 

Strangely, we have two votes missing on Mailliw in the total. It seems logical that Mailliw is a Soother, so that at least counts for one missing vote.

 

So, we have 5 people voting for Jain: The Verified (Alvron), The Desperate One (Mailliw), The Seeker (Haelbarde), The Fun-Lover (Hero), and the Clincher (Elkanah).

 

There's one obvious suspect in all of this: Mailliw. His game style has been erratic at best, and he has already made several contradictions. Therefore, I urge you to vote for him.

You are correct. I didn't know that HS was good, I just strongly thought he was and I wanted to see who, if any would follow me and based on what reasoning. Ah, you finally caught that. No one else has.

Correct.

Erratic? Sorry, but have you played with me? Information is my game, bluffs and gambits are what I do. That's how I gather information to base my suspicions. Contradictions? What contradictions have I made that I haven't cleared up?

Current suspects of evil team:

Hero

Mark

Luckat

Hael; if so, then Orlok.

Sart

[Mark IV he/him]

@Maill,

I haven't played long. So, it is possible that my playstyle is like this in the end, isn't it? This is my first game with you, so, you don't really have anything to compare it with.

Also, whom did I bandwagon on this time? Everyone was withdrawing from Hael, and I just wanted my suspicions to be cleared. I'm not sure that that can be called bandwagoning.

[Elbereth she/her]

El, my role play character is four or unknown. Mark is my profile name. Just FYI. Also, I suspect Hael, but I'll put up a reasons list, then vote for him.

Oops...

I will vote this cycle, as per Hael's request. Who, though... Maill I don't know about. Sart had some evidence, but that last contradiction (of making up the Seeker entirely), while I'd like to know more about the reasoning, doesn't in fact make me more suspicious of him. An eliminator would know better than that, because he would be signing his own death warrant, almost. Part of my lessened suspicion there is also tone, which I am aware can be faked (Forged, if you like). Even so.

Edited because I posted before I had finished checking characterization.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Elbereth