Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[Elkanah he/him]

Thank you Alvron. You really should try pearl diving, though

In order to prevent more vote shenanigans I'll vote for Jain. She hasn't contributed this whole game and even if Mailll is spiked, we can learn more from his posts than we'd be able to learn from panda.

[Metacognition he/him]

Night 7: Inner Peace

The Villagers were getting noticeably more anxious with each passing day. You could see how the paranoia and constantly sitting on the edge of panic was starting to wear on each of them in their own ways.

Erdab’s handwriting was getting more and more sloppy. He didn’t even bother with spelling errors or margins anymore and it kept getting harder to read in its hasty scrawl. It was as if he found it more important to get the words and thoughts out and on paper in the first place rather than make them pretty anymore.

Inor had even darker circles under her eyes than normal and a basement filled to the brim with stuffed and posed animals. She had obviously thrown herself into her hobby as a means of coping.

There was a small hole in one of Maill’s shoes, which he typically kept immaculate as an example of his profession, and almost a week's worth of stubble marked his face.

The signs were there on each and every one of them, if one knew where to look.

Well, all of them except one.

Jain hadn’t a care in the world. He spent all his time at the inn, just eating and sleeping and staying warm by the fire. The innkeeper, a foreigner by the name of Machin Shin, had taken it upon himself to take care of the panda during the frigid winter months and had created a habitat for Jain in the corner of the main room. It was a very lavish set up. It took over the entire corner right next to the fireplace, so it was always warm. There were bamboo poles all over the place and warm sand and grass. There was even a small waterfall and stream running through it. If one were to stare into the setting, the illusion was so strong, that it looked like it went on forever rather than stopping only a few feet in. It was the epitome of peace and tranquility in a town that had very little of either in over a week.

...And over time, the villagers seemed to begin to resent it.

How dare this panda get off so easily! He should be just as stressed and as scared as the rest of them were! Why wasn’t he helping to find these Spiked? What were the offensive capabilities of a panda? How did they not know that the rusting panda wasn’t one of the ones killing everyone, huh? Look at him, all smug and calm and happy. The only ones who deserved to be happy around here recently were the Spiked. Therefore, the panda must be one of the Spiked!

With thoughts like these bouncing around in their heads, eventually the villagers rallied themselves into a good old fashioned mob; down to the pitchforks and torches and everything else.

They stormed the inn, knocking tables and chairs out of their way as they approached Jain’s habitat.

When the ones at the front stopped abruptly, the rest of the mob tried to crowd around them to find out what had given them pause. Soon, the room was full of people just staring into the habitat.

In what seemed like a collective, the entire crowd let out an, “Awwwwwwwww.” There was no way that they could kill such a cutsey wootsy panda like that! Look at its little cheeks and that button nose!

With their resentment deflected for now, the villagers wound up making their way back to their homes for the night.



After the last person filed out of the inn, Jain opened one eye then sat up, watching the doorway. What looked like mist, except thicker and it held its form together more, spilled out around him; emanating from the depths of the habitat.

Jain just sat there and smiled.

 

Night 7 begins! You have 24 hours until the end of the turn.

Jain turned out to be an Incredibly Adorable Thug!

Current Player List

Votes:
Jain (5): Maill, Vron, Edrab, Herwynbe, Kane
Maill (1): El

No Vote (12): Locke, Bartholomew, Clara, Unknown, Riew, Exisa, Kilven, Inor, Citona, Jain, Slart, Lu

Edited May 27, 2017 by Alvron

[Elbereth she/her]

Meta, that was truly beautiful. And hilarious.

Thank you Alvron. You really should try pearl diving, though

In order to prevent more vote shenanigans I'll vote for Jain. She hasn't contributed this whole game and even if Mailll is spiked, we can learn more from his posts than we'd be able to learn from panda.

To be frank, this makes no sense whatsoever. We can't learn anything from Jain, as you've said. Why is that a reason to kill him? Seriously. Why.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Vote Tally before Vote Manipulations:

 

(0) Hael: Mail

(3) Maill: Hero, Phatt, Kipper, Elbereth

(0) Hero: Maill

(0) Alvron: Elkanah

(5) Jain: Alvron, Maill, Hael, Hero, Elkanah

 

so it looks like there were 2 emotional allomancers who really wanted to keep Maill alive. interesting...

 

edit: spelling

 

edit 2: 

Meta, that was truly beautiful. And hilarious.

To be frank, this makes no sense whatsoever. We can't learn anything from Jain, as you've said. Why is that a reason to kill him? Seriously. Why.

 

Elkanah's point was that we can learn more from Maill''s posts than Jain's, since Jain isn't posting anything at all. By keeping Maill alive we can continue watching what he says and then when he dies and we know his alignment we can infer things from what he said. 

Edited January 13, 2016 by Herowannabe

[Elbereth she/her]

Well. I mean. Yes. But we can also do that now, whereas whenever we lynch Jain there's no more information. I see the point, I just don't agree with it.

Also. I just realized that with the absence of Coinshots, Thugs are basically unkillable, except when a Mistborn gets Coinshot. And only then.

...I'm guessing that there are several Mistborn around. Either that, or there is in fact at least one Coinshot, who's just entirely inactive. I don't really know which at this point.

Thugs are going to be difficult, though, if there are any on the Eliminator team. Wonderful.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Well. I mean. Yes. But we can also do that now, whereas whenever we lynch Jain there's no more information. I see the point, I just don't agree with it.

Fair enough

Also. I just realized that with the absence of Coinshots, Thugs are basically unkillable, except when a Mistborn gets Coinshot. And only then.

...I'm guessing that there are several Mistborn around. Either that, or there is in fact at least one Coinshot, who's just entirely inactive. I don't really know which at this point.

Thugs are going to be difficult, though, if there are any on the Eliminator team. Wonderful.

I think you are misunderstanding the rules. Thugs block the first kill that comes their way, and that's it. It doesn't matter if the second kill comes the same day or several cycles later, the second kill will go through.

Think of it this way: Thugs have one extra life. Once that extra life is used up, it's gone for the rest of the game, and the thug is now basically a normal, no-powers player.

Edit: spelling

Edited January 13, 2016 by Herowannabe

[Elbereth she/her]

...You're right. I should have gone back and checked the rules. I was thinking about LG15 too much before I posted that.

Never mind, then.

[Alvron]

Thank you Alvron. You really should try pearl diving, though 

I have tried pearl diving, just not in Borneo.

 

In order to help further discussion we should talk about who the Seeker(s) scan this night.  I vote the following:

 

Maills Seeker: Luckat, Sart or Elkanah

Kippers Seeker: Haelbarde, Hero or Elbereth

 

Three options in case one or two have already been seeked.

 

Since I'm sure the Seekers have codes set up in case the PMs went down we can still learn if a Spiked is found.  You did set up codes right?

Edited January 13, 2016 by Alvron

[Mark IV he/him]

The way I see it is that the seeker can't really tell anyone whom they scanned and found to be (not) guilty. If they do post, the eliminators will definately know that they are the seeker. So, how do the seekers post their results? The one to post will be proved seeker. So, to combat that, perhaps a person who is not the seeker could post first? Perhaps? Or post in the order of their alphabetical names in each group, with the seekers message containing the message? Assuming they have set up a code.

This is just an idea that I am proposing 'cause I thought that the first person to post could identified as the seeker, and then potentially become a target.

Edit:I just read Wilson's PSA in the previous cycle. Perhaps you could use a cypher with the key as your initial letters in alphabetical order. And then encrypt the plaintext like that. Also, El, our RP is coming in. Just give me a few minutes.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Mark IV

[Guest]

Mark and Alvron, we do have a code. It is a good code.

We should discuss exactly what to do with these reads and with the Seekers. My Seeker has five innocent reads so far (besides someone who died), and I know roles for four of them (excluding the read yesterday, which I did finally get). My Seeker has had no evil reads so far. Obviously, if he dies, I'll out the reads, but until then, is there something we could do?

Mailliw, I'm still confused as to whether or not the player that was mentioned in our PM is the Seeker that you claim to have as well.

[Mark IV he/him]

From the corner, he had a good view of everyone participating in the discussion, or sitting at the sides eating desert and enjoying the show. Maill was in one section, plotting and hatching schemes while Kipper in another, offering information. It seemed that everyone had a role. Yet, a few of them were Stine cold killers. It gave him a chill at how someone could talk so sweetly with the dawn of the day, yet kill so relentlessly with the advent of the night. Looking around, he saw some people busy, going about their business.

Hmmm.... thought Four, poor El, she's working even now to make medicine for us. Even now that her home was no more. Perhaps the least he could do was offer her some space in his 'home', if it could be called that.

So, going over possible ways that the conversation could go, he went over to her. Perhaps she would just greatfully accept his offer. Or maybe she would decline it and instead scream at him for thinking her weak. But he thought that that could possibly only result from the trauma of losing one's home. Or maybe, she would be in shock from seeing her mentor killed and her home destroyed.

Finally, after an eternity, he had closed the distance to her. She turned to him, her face inquisitive. He asked her, " El, ummm, seeing as you, sort of, lost your house to fire, do you want to.... I mean would you like to sleep in my house? It's not got a door, but it does have a roof. You wouldn't be so cold. I mean you did heal my back when it cramped up, didn't you? So, I thought I could offer you shelter for a night. "

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El, I don't really know how your character would reply, so, I leave it up to you to continue.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Mark IV

[Orlok Tsubodai]

I apologise for my return to inactivity - my illness, despite letting up, returned, and has kept me from being able to focus at all on this.

I would, however, like to question a few things. Firstly, Mailliw is still alive.

This tells us one of a few things - that a player Mailliw knows it has previously been on a team with has taken pity on him, and decided to let him live despite being an experienced or dangerous player, or that he is an eliminator.

(If anyone could post a list of previous scan results, I'd greatly appreciate it)!

I hope we've also considered the possibility that seekers can be evil? When I was last able to play properly, there was a comment that the two trust groups didn't overlap - did they at any point before PMs went down?

[Guest]

Orlok, to the best of my knowledge, there are not two trust groups. Here's how things happened.

 

1. When I first joined the game, I had been Scanned the night before. So I joined the trust group with a Seeker (we'll call him Jake).

2. Jake had previously revealed his Seeker-ship to Mailliw.

3. When I PM'd Mailliw, I told him that I was in a trust group, just to gloat and get the conversation started.

4. Mailliw was like, "Woah, that's badchull and awesome, dude! Jake's doing that?! Because for whatever reason, he still hasn't Scanned me!"

5. I said, "Woah man, Jake's a Seeker? Thanks for telling me that for free!" (<--Note the lie. I wanted to start a rumor that there were two trust groups so I could get some information out of it.)

6. Mailliw wanted to know who my Seeker was. (Theoretically not Jake)

 

So this whole thing about two trust groups was solely started and perpetuated by me, to the best of my knowledge. That said, Mailliw's role in all this is incredibly suspicious. He's said that

A. He is a proxy for a proxy for a Seeker.

B. Has information from this proxy that the Seeker (presumably Jake) scanned Hellscythe. (Note that when Mailliw said this, he was still under the impression that I knew a different Seeker)

 

I know, however that Jake did not Scan Hellscythe. So either the proxy or Mailliw is lying.

 

Jake, I suggest you Scan Mailliw tonight and see what happens.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Guest

[Mark IV he/him]

@Kipper- I've got 2 questions-

1)So, Maill knew who Jake was?

2)Perhaps there really are 2 seeker groups. 'Cause if Maill were a proxy for a proxy in Jake's, then he wouldn't really know who Jake was, would he?

[Guest]

Mark

1. Yes.

2. He knows who Jake is, so that's a moot point. Of course there could be 2 Seeker groups, but I haven't heard anything about the second one if there is.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Mailliw, I'm still confused as to whether or not the player that was mentioned in our PM is the Seeker that you claim to have as well.

What Seeker? I already told you, Jake is the Seeker I know. Bill is my proxy for some unknown Seeker that I haven't been informed of. I assumed at one point that it might have been Jake and they were doubly trying to keep me out of the loop, but according to you, that's not the case. Bill won't tell me the Seeker, so I'm just as much at a lass as you are.

Orlok, there are plenty of reasons why eliminators wouldn't kill me, aside from taking pity on me. I don't need continual pity for having a couple of cycle 1 deaths, I'm a big boy.

[Elbereth she/her]

El looked up upon Four's suggestion. For a moment she just stared, but then her face broke into a smile. "I'd be glad to stay with you," she said. Finally, someone I can trust.

She grabbed her cloak from the hook (she didn't have any other belongings, anymore, except for the herbs that she'd collected, which were still in the tree. "Lead the way, then. I'll be glad for some sleep."

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Thanks, Mark. And if you turn out to be an eliminator and I die, there will be a beautiful betrayal scene. If there isn't one in the writeup, I'm making one, even if it's only in the spec doc.

I highly doubt that anyone would be taking pity on Maill at this point, not least the eliminators. If he's dangerous to them, they're getting rid of him as soon as they think proper. (Imagine, propriety among evil! What a thought!) (Sorry, my character has developed into being kind of strange sometimes.)

So, either he's not being dangerous enough, he's helping the eliminator's cause, or he is an eliminator. I'm inclined to believe the third, but I'm not opposed to the second. (The first seems unlikely.)

Edited January 13, 2016 by Elbereth

[Mailliw73 he/him]

At this point, the eliminators have no reason to keep me alive. Kipper, you just publicly asked Jake to Seek me. Now, at this point, the Eliminators will either Smoke or Kill me. There's no reason for them to keep me alive as a publicly confirmed good. So, in response, I'm going to counter Kipper's request by asking Jake to scan Hero or Orlok, if you have not already done so. Bill, I'd like you to ask your Seeker to scan Kipper or Luckat. Simultaneously, I'd like to ask for Lurcher protection, just in case.

 

Elb, the reason I think I'm alive is that I'm a high suspect in most people's minds. The Spiked don't mind, because that means I'm taking attention off them and onto me. Pity is not a factor. This is Night 7, not Night 1. Granted, I very well might not be being dangerous enough because I can't get anyone to follow a lynch I try to start, be it Hero or Orlok or Jain(the first time). 

 

Now, in case I die, Hero, Orlok and Luckat are my top three suspicions. Hael and Alv are about tied right after them. Kipper and Mark would be next.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Mailliw73

[Elbereth she/her]

Elb, the reason I think I'm alive is that I'm a high suspect in most people's minds. The Spiked don't mind, because that means I'm taking attention off them and onto me. Pity is not a factor. This is Night 7, not Night 1. Granted, I very well might not be being dangerous enough because I can't get anyone to follow a lynch I try to start, be it Hero or Orlok or Jain(the first time).

Indeed, that's the only reason you could be innocent and still alive. As an eliminator, on the other hand, you being alive is much more possible, particularly given the absence of Coinshots. I still have some suspicion on you, obviously.

Edited for clarification.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Elbereth

[Guest]

At this point, the eliminators have no reason to keep me alive. Kipper, you just publicly asked Jake to Seek me. Now, at this point, the Eliminators will either Smoke or Kill me. There's no reason for them to keep me alive as a publicly confirmed good.

If they kill you, I would be very surprised.

Indeed, that's the only reason you could be innocent and still alive. As an eliminator, on the other hand, you being alive is much more possible, particularly given the absence of Coinshots. I still have some suspicion on you, obviously.

Edited for clarification.

It makes me more than a little uncomfortable to hear "He stayed alive" as a reason for suspicion...#experiencedplayerproblems

[Sart he/him]

At this point, the eliminators have no reason to keep me alive. Kipper, you just publicly asked Jake to Seek me. Now, at this point, the Eliminators will either Smoke or Kill me. There's no reason for them to keep me alive as a publicly confirmed good. So, in response, I'm going to counter Kipper's request by asking Jake to scan Hero or Orlok, if you have not already done so. Bill, I'd like you to ask your Seeker to scan Kipper or Luckat. Simultaneously, I'd like to ask for Lurcher protection, just in case.

 

Elb, the reason I think I'm alive is that I'm a high suspect in most people's minds. The Spiked don't mind, because that means I'm taking attention off them and onto me. Pity is not a factor. This is Night 7, not Night 1. Granted, I very well might not be being dangerous enough because I can't get anyone to follow a lynch I try to start, be it Hero or Orlok or Jain(the first time). 

 

Now, in case I die, Hero, Orlok and Luckat are my top three suspicions. Hael and Alv are about tied right after them. Kipper and Mark would be next.

 

Okay, now I'm sure you're an Eliminator. Let's examine this plan of yours.

• You aren't scanned. Yesterday basically divided the village into two groups, those for and against you. It would help a lot if we knew which group was in the right.
• Someone you chose is scanned. If you're an Eliminator, these are guaranteed to be good guys, or at least Clouded people to get suspicion off of you. If you're good, then you have no way of knowing if these people are evil.
• You get Lurched. This allows for an easy Wounded Gazelle Gambit. And why should you be lurched? By your own admission, you only know a proxy! There's no danger in losing any information if you are killed.
• You take a Lurcher away from someone else. We need Lurchers guarding as many people as we can. We at least need one for Kipper, so that we have a direct link to the other Seeker. If you're actually an Eliminator, then Jake is in grave danger right now, and we need our Lurcher's to go wide, not target someone who we know for sure isn't Jake!

Mailliw, this plan of yours makes no sense. I have a different proposal.

 

Coinshot Mailliw!

 

Everyone has been suspicious of the Eliminators having a Smoker, so I don't think Seeking you will work. If you live through the night through the night by this plan of yours, you will just look more suspicious. You're not helpful as a Villager, since, as you have already stated, everyone isn't following your suspicions. You haven't told us what role you have, so I'm assuming it's not very useful. (You're not likely to survive for very much longer, so why not tell us?) Yesterday was one of the most active days we had. I highly doubt the Eliminators didn't take part in it. Your death would strongly indicate which side they participated in. I know dying sucks in this game, but you've made it a lot farther than others. It's time to do what's right. If there isn't a coinshot, I want you to vote for yourself. I'm sorry, but this is the best thing to do for the village.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

If they kill you, I would be very surprised.

It makes me more than a little uncomfortable to hear "He stayed alive" as a reason for suspicion...#experiencedplayerproblems

Well, there's no choice at this point, unless I'm evil. There's no reason for them to have me alive as a publicly confirmed good player. I do agree that them Smoking me is much more likely though.

Me too. It's quite a bad argument, since eliminators intentionally leave some experienced players alive solely for that reason.

Sart, thanks for actually posting! But, I'd like you to step out of your tunnel and consider the possibility of me being good.

I've already stated that I'm likely to be Smoked. That's a possibility regardless of my actual alignment: the Spiked very likely have one Smoker and that's the entire reason I proposed a counter plan for Jake. Now he can pick which target to check and the eliminators have to guess. I made it into an IKYK for them.

I do understand that my dying could reveal much to the village, but I can do that while I'm alive as well. I will not vote for myself, so don't expect that. I'm fine with dying, but I won't cause it myself.

Can I request that you keep this kind of post length and type up? It's a lot easier to decide if I think you're innocent or guilty when you actually post, especially when the posts are more than a couple of lines.

[Mark IV he/him]

So, the way I see it-

1) Maill is good- he's trying to keep himself alive. He's deflecting the seeking so that the seeker group will gain a member, and also so that the eliminators don't know who was seeked. (I know. This is too simplified)

2) Maill is evil - He's given a good enough reason to seek other players instead if himself, thus avoiding suspicion on himself via the fact that his seeking was blocked. Gives reason that the eliminator smoker played mischief. Also explains why he wasn't killed in a simpler manner.

I myself am quite confused as to which standpoint I am on. So, I decided to post this to clear my thoughts.

EDIT:Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Mark IV

[Guest]

Alright, so here are my final thoughts before I hit the sack.

 

I do think Mailliw is an Eliminator, or his proxy. Jake, please Scan Mailliw at least. It doesn't seem like our Coinshot is active, and even if he is active, I would rather that Maill is not Coinshot. After all, if he is good, he knows who the other proxy is.

 

And Sart, thanks for the assist, but there are five other people who know the code. I'm not the only direct link to the Seeker. (But you should totally protect me anyway)

[Metacognition he/him]

I hate to do this because I've been trying so hard to keep to the schedule, even when there were extenuating and understandable circumstances going on in my RL, but this is the first time I've had a chance to get online tonight and it'll also be the last. As such, I won't be around to do the write up tonight and I am very, very sorry for that.

I promise that I will try to make this only a one time thing, but I'm going to have to extend the night. Rather than throw the schedule off any worse than I already am, I'll extend it by 24 hours, so the end of each turn will continue to be at the same time. 

 

Again, my apologies and I'll be back some time tomorrow. Thanks.