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[StrikerEZ he/him]

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

TJ, Hopper, Araris, and Fallen are all cleared in the meta game(Araris is a bit subjective but not too much)

I was about to ask why you're saying all of them were cleared, but then I remembered that they're dead in the MetaGame.

I do agree about Araris likely being village, but I wouldn't go as far as to say he's like hard-cleared or anything.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

31 minutes ago, CadCom said:

@gms @Through the living Wahr @The Unknown Medallion Maybe this was in the rules but I missed it, but after a pseudo-elim is killed in the pseudo-game, do they still have access to the pseudo-elim doc? and can they still comment in it? Maybe @Hoid Slayer or @xinoehp512 could answer that question since you were both pseudo-killed? 

Edit. Can I vote for Coco

I would go with No, they shouldnt continue to write in the doc

If you really want, you can of course place your Vote on the already dead coco. However this will have no effect on the Game and is a waste of your Vote until you move it again

Edited yesterday at 08:20 PM by Through the living Wahr

[Verdance he/him]

Hey i have to leave this game, can a pinch hitter step in?

[CadCom he/him]

1 hour ago, Verdance said:

Hey i have to leave this game, can a pinch hitter step in?

@The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr@Jo and the Bush

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

The Pinch Hitters have been contacted, currently waiting on answers

[Kit_Kat She/Her]

5 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

’d agree that Kit Kat is the more suspicious of the two by a decent margin though, since vote manipulation is private.

Wait what?? I didn’t know it was private

[StrikerEZ he/him]

1 hour ago, Kit_Kat said:

Wait what?? I didn’t know it was private

It’s private in the sense that it’s an action submitted in the GM PM. At least that’s what I think @Myst was referring to here. Care to clarify?

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

5 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Care to elaborate on why you’re suspicious of me?

Also, anyone got a VC?

To be honest, I don't know, but you are still my strongest read.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

@Araris Valerian You willing to vote KitKat with me? Or would you prefer someone else? Maybe Lettuce?

Yeah, I’m fine with Kit Kat.

[Myst He/Him]

51 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

It’s private in the sense that it’s an action submitted in the GM PM. At least that’s what I think @Myst was referring to here. Care to clarify?

You pinged the wrong person. Araris said that not me

[Divergent He/Him]

11 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Okay, not sure if you missed this because it was in a MetaCycle or what, but I’ve literally still been going for Hoid. Just because I was wrong about Myst being a MetaElim doesn’t mean I think I’m wrong about Hoid being one.

Hmm, yeah I'll get to reading the metathread cycles again

 

10 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

So the Thing is the result of the Pseudogame is not as important as the Metagame and is a bit tricky what your wincon is. The Meta Elims bet during N0 if the Pseudo Village or Pseudo Elims will win the Pseudogame and are theoreticly trying to influence the Pseudogame in that direction. The Metavillagers do not want the Bet to succeed and should be trying to get the other outcome, they unfortunately do not know what the Meta Elims have bet on and who they can trust, because allignment between the Game can differ.

If the Metaelims win the Bet they get one conversion

If the Metaelims loose the Bet, half of the living Metaelims get outed

9 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Basically, as our GM said, throwing the game as either pseudo village or pseudo elim is a legitimate strategy, if you think the meta elims bet on the other side winning.

Hmm interesting

5 hours ago, Myst said:

@Divergent

the meta game is really all we care about. So we’re not really interested in winning the pseudo game, just making it so the meta Elims don’t win their bet. 
 

So, things to know:

TJ, Hopper, Araris, and Fallen are all cleared in the meta game(Araris is a bit subjective but not too much)

as for my brief summary and which parts we know and which parts we don’t, the only part we really don’t is that they bet on an Elim win(that’s my opinion) everything else I think everyone agrees with

I see, heard. Personally, I still disagree lol I don't really see why one of the two games has to be devalued just because there's an aspect that interacts with the other game's outcome

Then again, I don't have full context since I haven't yet read the other side of the game

So, is basically the game plan to hunt for meta elims now? 

7 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

Yeah, so Myst killed Xino and the elims tried to do a kill but the person who was going to do it got roleblocked because their shard world was destroyed. We don’t know if Xino or Coder tried to do a kill.

We’re not doing spreadsheet voting anymore. It’s normal in thread voting now.

Y’all really gotta stop trying to double exe me I’m already dead ya know

Oh I see, do we know who that person is who got roleblocked?

Makes sense, I was wondering about the spreadsheet voting because it looked outdated from when I watched it

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

6 hours ago, CadCom said:

Ok. So far, Hoid, Striker, and Araris have all asked if we could, or directly voted for Coco. Oddly enough that gives me townread on all of them. Since COCO IS DEAD HERE. I would think the M!Elims would know that by now and be a bit more coordinated. Even though I have leaned a bit more town on Striker, they're still in my Neutral zone, so I don't know how I feel about voting KitKat, right now. 

@gms @Through the living Wahr @The Unknown Medallion Maybe this was in the rules but I missed it, but after a pseudo-elim is killed in the pseudo-game, do they still have access to the pseudo-elim doc? and can they still comment in it? Maybe @Hoid Slayer or @xinoehp512 could answer that question since you were both pseudo-killed? 

Edit. Can I vote for Coco?

I have access to the doc but I’m not supposed to talk in it

Also yeah @Divergent we’re actively hunting meta-elims, not pseudo-elims, in the pseudogame (I tried to keep up the real game facade a bit but broke it to try to save Myst and it quickly deteriorated from there)

There’s a lot of stuff going on but no real synthesis and so I really don’t know who to trust

I’m lowkey happy I don’t have to really do anything this cycle cause I’m not following this

I wanted to when I joined the game, but ehh that didn’t really work out and I don’t feel like extensive analysis this time around

Good luck guys, someone please summarize for the love of Preservation, and I’ll rejoin society in the meta-game  

[Divergent He/Him]

27 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I have access to the doc but I’m not supposed to talk in it

Also yeah @Divergent we’re actively hunting meta-elims, not pseudo-elims, in the pseudogame (I tried to keep up the real game facade a bit but broke it to try to save Myst and it quickly deteriorated from there)

There’s a lot of stuff going on but no real synthesis and so I really don’t know who to trust

I’m lowkey happy I don’t have to really do anything this cycle cause I’m not following this

I wanted to when I joined the game, but ehh that didn’t really work out and I don’t feel like extensive analysis this time around

Good luck guys, someone please summarize for the love of Preservation, and I’ll rejoin society in the meta-game  

Why did you want to try to save Myst again? I saw it play out, but it wasn't very clear to me why 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Divergent said:

Why did you want to try to save Myst again? I saw it play out, but it wasn't very clear to me why 

I didn't believe he was meta-elim due to the fact that the pseudo-elim NK was supposed to be on him, and I was fairly certain that there was a meta-elim mole in the pseudo-elim doc who did not resist

[coco.pudding she/they]

58 minutes ago, Divergent said:

Oh I see, do we know who that person is who got roleblocked?

It was Lettuce. At least that’s according to TJ, but I see no reason why he would lie about that. 

[Myst He/Him]

28 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

It was Lettuce. At least that’s according to TJ, but I see no reason why he would lie about that. 

I thought it was TJ, they were both on Scadrial so I suppose it’s the same thing though

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Myst said:

I thought it was TJ, they were both on Scadrial so I suppose it’s the same thing though

Idk, TJ told me Lettuce. Idk that it really matters tbh. 

[CadCom he/him]

3 hours ago, Divergent said:

9 hours ago, Myst said:

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I see, heard. Personally, I still disagree lol I don't really see why one of the two games has to be devalued just because there's an aspect that interacts with the other game's outcome

Then again, I don't have full context since I haven't yet read the other side of the game

The way I see it is the meta village wants to throw the pseudo game in the opposite way from how the meta elims want to throw the pseudo game.

It's not that the pseudo game doesn't matter, it's just that it matters for different reasons than normal. 

Plus normally throwing a game can get us banned from SE so for at least somebody, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. We just don't know who has that opportunity

I also think it fits with the lore of the story behind the game within a game. If we let the sentient roleplay characters win the game, we make it harder for us to find and root them out of the server. 

As for my exe vote, If we think TJ and Lettuce are the known pseudo elims, should we be voting for one of them, assuming we think the meta elims voted on an elimination victory? (Do we know Lettuces role? Has that been shared?)

I really need to do my own analysis on that. I think Myst is leaning that way, but at least one other person (araris? Maybe?) is leaning that they bet on a pseudo village victory. 

I suppose that analysis will be easier after we get an anonymous coinshots kill at the very least, but a meta-elim flip would be even more desirable. 

I'll be back on shortly before rollover to read any responses and reconsider my vote. 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

34 minutes ago, CadCom said:

As for my exe vote, If we think TJ and Lettuce are the known pseudo elims, should we be voting for one of them, assuming we think the meta elims voted on an elimination victory? (Do we know Lettuces role? Has that been shared?)

TJ’s dead in the MetaGame. He was a MetaVillager. I could be persuaded towards a Lettuce exe though. It’s been long enough that I think the newbie card is out of play now.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

EDIT: @Through The Living Star @Qianweilian @Through the Living Hopper @CadCom @Divergent @___ @Questioning Lettuce For transparency’s sake, and because most people already know this anyway, I would like to point out that I have a legitimately absurd stockpile of Investiture right now. I don’t want to have to do this, but if the exe is set to get me (or it’s too close for comfort), I will be spending some today in order to not die. Just putting that out there in case this inspires any of y’all to change or add a vote elsewhere.

[Divergent He/Him]

10 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I didn't believe he was meta-elim due to the fact that the pseudo-elim NK was supposed to be on him, and I was fairly certain that there was a meta-elim mole in the pseudo-elim doc who did not resist

Ahh I see that makes sense, do you still think a mole exists or not anymore?

8 hours ago, CadCom said:

The way I see it is the meta village wants to throw the pseudo game in the opposite way from how the meta elims want to throw the pseudo game.

It's not that the pseudo game doesn't matter, it's just that it matters for different reasons than normal. 

Plus normally throwing a game can get us banned from SE so for at least somebody, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. We just don't know who has that opportunity

I also think it fits with the lore of the story behind the game within a game. If we let the sentient roleplay characters win the game, we make it harder for us to find and root them out of the server. 

As for my exe vote, If we think TJ and Lettuce are the known pseudo elims, should we be voting for one of them, assuming we think the meta elims voted on an elimination victory? (Do we know Lettuces role? Has that been shared?)

I really need to do my own analysis on that. I think Myst is leaning that way, but at least one other person (araris? Maybe?) is leaning that they bet on a pseudo village victory. 

I suppose that analysis will be easier after we get an anonymous coinshots kill at the very least, but a meta-elim flip would be even more desirable. 

I'll be back on shortly before rollover to read any responses and reconsider my vote. 

Why do you think that the meta elims voted for an elim victory?

And I kinda thought that the current game state was like, that we're not going for either an elim or village victory rn, but rather prolonging the pseudogame to give us leeway for the meta game, is that not what people are doing?

I would be willing to consider voting the known elim though

But also don't feel very certain that the meta elims bet on a pseudo elim win, so feeling hesitant about sending one out, if that would mean there's only potentially 1 or 2 left after an exe

7 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

EDIT: @Through The Living Star @Qianweilian @Through the Living Hopper @CadCom @Divergent @___ @Questioning Lettuce For transparency’s sake, and because most people already know this anyway, I would like to point out that I have a legitimately absurd stockpile of Investiture right now. I don’t want to have to do this, but if the exe is set to get me (or it’s too close for comfort), I will be spending some today in order to not die. Just putting that out there in case this inspires any of y’all to change or add a vote elsewhere.

I'm seeing you're voting Kit_Kat, I could be convinced to vote there, but I need to know the reasons why

[CadCom he/him]

12 minutes ago, Divergent said:

Ahh I see that makes sense, do you still think a mole exists or not anymore?

Why do you think that the meta elims voted for an elim victory?

And I kinda thought that the current game state was like, that we're not going for either an elim or village victory rn, but rather prolonging the pseudogame to give us leeway for the meta game, is that not what people are doing?

I would be willing to consider voting the known elim though

But also don't feel very certain that the meta elims bet on a pseudo elim win, so feeling hesitant about sending one out, if that would mean there's only potentially 1 or 2 left after an exe

I'm seeing you're voting Kit_Kat, I could be convinced to vote there, but I need to know the reasons why

As for the questions for me,

The current game state is one of confusion. I see it as at least 3 different village sectors competing against each other. At least one, possibly all 3 have elim influence. 

1. Meta elims voted for elim victory. Kill elims. 

2. We don't know how elims voted. Try to kill meta elims in pseudo game so that they have less power. 

3. Meta elims want village victory. Kill village. 

Why do we thinks meta elims voted on elim victory? I honestly don't know. I'm relying a bit on Myst's interpretation since he's cleared. I hope to do my own analysis and form my own opinion during the next 48 hours. 

As for the vote on KitKat, I believe that train has something to do with KitKat protecting Myst the cycle must survived the exe through not reaching the meta vote threshold, which occurred due to vote manipulation. 

I read it either as a village trying to protect someone they see as village or a elim trying to prolong and raise suspicion at another villager. 

So the vote against KitKat here wouldn't flip their role in the Meta game, but It would stop them from using their pseudo game power to influence the Meta game. 

[Divergent He/Him]

23 minutes ago, CadCom said:

As for the questions for me,

The current game state is one of confusion. I see it as at least 3 different village sectors competing against each other. At least one, possibly all 3 have elim influence. 

1. Meta elims voted for elim victory. Kill elims. 

2. We don't know how elims voted. Try to kill meta elims in pseudo game so that they have less power. 

3. Meta elims want village victory. Kill village. 

Why do we thinks meta elims voted on elim victory? I honestly don't know. I'm relying a bit on Myst's interpretation since he's cleared. I hope to do my own analysis and form my own opinion during the next 48 hours. 

As for the vote on KitKat, I believe that train has something to do with KitKat protecting Myst the cycle must survived the exe through not reaching the meta vote threshold, which occurred due to vote manipulation. 

I read it either as a village trying to protect someone they see as village or a elim trying to prolong and raise suspicion at another villager. 

So the vote against KitKat here wouldn't flip their role in the Meta game, but It would stop them from using their pseudo game power to influence the Meta game. 

Yeah it feels weird in that 5 out of 6 of the revealed roles in the pseudogame are coinshots and yet the death count has followed a standard of 1 death per night. Is it correct that not all of those people were originally coinshots? If so, it could be that they're aiming for an elim win

Hmm do you have other reasons to trust Striker beyond him voting for dead people? I was thinking we could keep votes on him and then let him save himself and exe Kit Kat via investiture to reduce both of their potential impact to the meta game

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

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[|TJ| he/him]

Bah, sorry - had a busy couple of days.

I can confirm I do get the results of the changes the cycle I died. There was only 1 conversion during the last cycle, which makes me believe one of Hoid/Coco promoted themselves and I'm leaning towards Coco. 

I don't think "no one has tried to kill pseudo-elims" is a good enough reason to think meta-elims have bet on pseudo-elim victory. 

Kit Kat