coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: well, was there vote manip? Possibly? But I don’t think so based on the totals. My negative votes weren’t counted (although I didn’t vote for Qian so that wouldn’t have mattered much) and possibly someone else’s positive or negative votes could have been uncounted, but none of the prefects have claimed that so far and we’re the only ones that could have done it afaik 1
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) Alright Qian just was a lot of people's second choice I guess I assume y'all spent most of your time talking about your first choices (edit: though there was also just not a lot of those) Anyways, I find it interesting that both nights the top + voted player got offed by the elims. Do we think this is e!TJ rising the ranks or is the trusted pool of players clean and the elims just want to kill their way through it Edited April 1 by DrakeMarshall
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Anyways, I find it interesting that both nights the top + voted player got offed by the elims. Do we think this is e!TJ rising the ranks or is the trusted pool of players clean and the elims just want to kill their way through it Now that’s very interesting We didn’t really discuss positive votes yesterday but it was pretty clear Doc was trusted. The issue is it could be TJ or it could be someone else entirely. We might want to look at positive voting patterns within the top people and see if there’s any commonalities there. Although we don’t have much to look at yet. But there could be something. Honestly I will find it very suspicious if it’s obvious someone is about to get extra credit during the cycle and they aren’t killed. Edited April 1 by coco.pudding
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) I know colored votes in-thread won't be counted, but I kind of want to institute it anyway, for readability. Let's say that a name in red is for -3, orange is for -2, yellow is for -1. We could do the same for + votes and color-code those as well, but I kind of prefer to keep it simple. In my view, the negative votes are actually a lot more important. Or maybe I'm just a negative person idk edit: also I'd kind of rather use cool colors to signal retracting negative votes, which is what they usually signify, instead of casting positive votes Honestly, I think that if you had a cycle where you were surprised by the outcome, then the voting discussion has been too opaque and analysis is probably suffering. We should strive to demystify it as much as possible. I mean you all can do what you want obviously. I'm not your parents. But as for me personally, I'm going to be color-coding my votes in this game I suppose. Let's get cracking. Coco, face my wrath for being 2nd or 3rd place on the chopping block for 2 days in a row and scraping by, and for sounding maybe just a little too eager about executing consensus trusted players that don't die immediately. I've forgiven you for LG110, I promise Edited April 1 by DrakeMarshall
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: and for sounding maybe just a little too eager about executing consensus trusted players that don't die immediately. I don’t know that we need to immediately exe someone who’s first and doesn’t die, but I do think it’s something to look for, and possibly a reason to look more closely at someone. I will also say consensus is a strong word here. Only five people votes TJ positively, and out of those five only two had him as their top most trusted. The negative “consensus” last cycle was even worse, with only three people voting for the person who got exed.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 yeah it’s fair to say I might’ve been exaggerating your position a little still not really a fan because I think “5 people rank this person as one of their top trusts” is actually a pretty robust reason to trust them, and we probably shouldn’t throw it away at the first sign of trouble. I mistrust the impulse. but don’t worry, the day is yet young I’m sure I’ll have more reads to act on before nightfall
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 25 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: still not really a fan because I think “5 people rank this person as one of their top trusts” is actually a pretty robust reason to trust them, and we probably shouldn’t throw it away at the first sign of trouble. I mistrust the impulse. Yeah i dont think we should scrap it altogether, I just think that’ll make me a bit more suspicious of that particular person. I dont want to jump straight from “oh they didn’t die” to “lets exe them with extreme predjudice” but i do think its something to look out for. Ya know, reasons to be sus of someone pile up over time, and that might be something to add to the pile
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 9 hours ago, |TJ| said: Could you link it for me? I might have missed it. Not that it changes much I think, but I'd still like to know if the public had this information. Current VC (2-4) Grass: Wahr (1-3), TJ (1) (2-3) Coco: TJ (2-3) (2-3) Ink: TJ (2-3) (1-3) TJ: Wahr (1-3) (1-3) Hopper: Wahr (1-3) I cannot, because I may be misremembering. I'd assume that unless someone else can confirm we revealed them 2 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said: I know colored votes in-thread won't be counted, but I kind of want to institute it anyway, for readability. Let's say that a name in red is for -3, orange is for -2, yellow is for -1. We could do the same for + votes and color-code those as well, but I kind of prefer to keep it simple. In my view, the negative votes are actually a lot more important. Or maybe I'm just a negative person idk edit: also I'd kind of rather use cool colors to signal retracting negative votes, which is what they usually signify, instead of casting positive votes Honestly, I think that if you had a cycle where you were surprised by the outcome, then the voting discussion has been too opaque and analysis is probably suffering. We should strive to demystify it as much as possible. I mean you all can do what you want obviously. I'm not your parents. But as for me personally, I'm going to be color-coding my votes in this game I suppose. Let's get cracking. Coco, face my wrath for being 2nd or 3rd place on the chopping block for 2 days in a row and scraping by, and for sounding maybe just a little too eager about executing consensus trusted players that don't die immediately. I've forgiven you for LG110, I promise I think we've been staying away from numbered votes to spread the pressure a bit more, but I don't care tbh It's funny that Aman's slot is now arguing for basically the opposite
Through the Living Hopper He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Reads right now: v!Drake, because making jokes about being an elim is harder when your actually an elim, at least in my experience. v!Mippo, really chill which is hard to do as a new elim v!coco, because...vibes e?TJ, because...vibes. My least confident read E!DOC because I do not trust anymore (and also weird analysis post which I will link soon)
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: I think we've been staying away from numbered votes to spread the pressure a bit more, but I don't care tbh It's funny that Aman's slot is now arguing for basically the opposite Then y'all can put all 3 of your names in red if you must I don't think the mindgames are really worth it, not for every single vote, but I won't stop you I just think color-coding of some kind could make voting more obvious the tradition was never only for the GMs benefit, it's for your fellow players to more easily see votes as well. ...regardless, I don't think it matters that much either. Forget about planning to optimally spread about the pressure, right now there just plain isn't enough pressure. I'm not too concerned about how we communicate our votes, but we should hopefully be on the same page that we should communicate our votes somehow. Wahr and TJ are the only other people whose votes I know from reading the thread. Aman is gone, and you've got me to reckon with now instead you have my permission to scream in horror and/or run to the woods 13 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said: v!Drake, because making jokes about being an elim is harder when your actually an elim, at least in my experience. oh I'm pretty good at it
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) actually, jebiga TUM face my mildly-attenuated-second-place-wrath for weighing in on the Optimal Voting Communication Strategy without voting today maybe u don't care about Optimal Voting Communication Strategy but u still talked about it u haven't even talked about any reads today, not that I know of do u care about that even less tremble and perish in the face of my dreadful mildly-attenuated-second-place-wrath edit: Current VC, I think (6-9) Coco: TJ (2-3), Wahr (1-3), Drake (3) (2-4) Grass: Wahr (1-3), TJ (1) (2-3) Ink: TJ (2-3) (2) TUM: Drake (2) (1-3) Hopper: Wahr (1-3) edit 2: electric boogaloo so is the deal today that one of the Prefects must be evil? From what I've gathered, Doc claimed he would self-protego but then died? And people think an elim Prefect must've Obliviated him? Is that a correct summary? Edited April 1 by DrakeMarshall
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 5 hours ago, TwinStorm said: @coco.pudding what was I thinking? well to start off right off the bat (first message in PM) he voted for himself as prefect, which feels idk very opportunistic, saying hes "the only person hes sure is not a Death Eater" which are just weird vibes for me also his D1 votes seemed kinda weird, between TUM +1 and Aman -3, I also didn't see any justification for these votes in my quick scanning of his posts yesterday, unless I missed smth big Reveal hidden contents D2 Votes Mist Doc12 Grass Qianweilian Coco Aman Araris Aman Araris Unknown Medallion Wahr Hopper Coco Doc12 Grass Mist Doc12 Miss Fallen Coco Araris Aman Coco Qianweilian Aman Doc12 Hopper Araris NONE Hopper NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Araris TJ Qianweilian Aman Unknown Medallion Wahr Coco Wahr NONE NONE Unknown Medallion Doc12 TwinStorm Araris TwinStorm Doc12 Mist Grass Aman Unknown Medallion Wahr Ink Wahr Frozen Mint Aman Hopper NONE Araris Doc12 Mist Aman TJ Coco Unknown Medallion Hopper Mippo TJ Mist Aman Wahr Ink Hopper Qianweilian Mist Doc12 Unknown Medallion Coco Wahr Aman TJ NONE Mist Mippo Araris Hopper NONE Miss Fallen NONE Doc12 Mist Ink Unknown Medallion NONE Emperor Comatose NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Unknown Medallion NONE NONE NONE Doc12 Araris Aman Frozen Mint Miss Fallen Mist Doc12 Aman Coco NONE Players 1st (+3) 2nd (+2) 3rd (+1) 3rd (-1) 2nd (-2) 1st (-3) Aman TJ Ink Hopper Miss Fallen Qianweilian Frozen Mint Grass NONE TJ Doc12 Wahr Coco NONE Coco Doc12 Miss Fallen Aman Grass TJ NONE Hopper NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Wahr NONE Unknown Medallion TJ Coco Qianweilian NONE TwinStorm Doc12 Aman TJ Hopper Qianweilian Unknown Medallion Ink NONE Grass NONE Aman NONE NONE Doc12 TJ Wahr Coco Ink Miss Fallen Frozen Mint Mippo NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Qianweilian Unknown Medallion Doc12 Emperor Comatose Aman Hopper Grass TJ Mippo Aman Unknown Medallion Frozen Mint Ink Coco Miss Fallen Doc12 Mippo Frozen Mint Grass Coco Aman Emperor Comatose Doc12 Miss Fallen NONE NONE Coco Aman Unknown Medallion NONE NONE NONE Aman NONE Frozen Mint Frozen Mint Aman Coco Ink Doc12 Unknown Medallion Qianweilian based off just the raw data, im not loving TUM rn, tho imma do more research later A none vote from TUM for 4 categories feels almost weak, I don't understand where hes going with them. Why not just put Aman as -2 instead of -1? If you wanted Aman exed, what's the point in that, and if you didn't then why vote -1 them anyway? @The Unknown Medallion id love some responses You know that like three of us selfvoted for Prefect C1 54 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said: Reads right now: E!DOC because I do not trust anymore (and also weird analysis post which I will link soon) What do you mean e!Doc, he was NKed and flipped as Village My Reason for voting Qian was obviously that he is a copy cat Spoiler Just Joking, There was something that rubbed me the wrong way about him, but I cant really tell you what it was.
___ He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 3 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said: I know colored votes in-thread won't be counted, but I kind of want to institute it anyway, for readability. Let's say that a name in red is for -3, orange is for -2, yellow is for -1. We could do the same for + votes and color-code those as well, but I kind of prefer to keep it simple. In my view, the negative votes are actually a lot more important. Or maybe I'm just a negative person idk edit: also I'd kind of rather use cool colors to signal retracting negative votes, which is what they usually signify, instead of casting positive votes Honestly, I think that if you had a cycle where you were surprised by the outcome, then the voting discussion has been too opaque and analysis is probably suffering. We should strive to demystify it as much as possible. I mean you all can do what you want obviously. I'm not your parents. But as for me personally, I'm going to be color-coding my votes in this game I suppose. Let's get cracking. Coco, face my wrath for being 2nd or 3rd place on the chopping block for 2 days in a row and scraping by, and for sounding maybe just a little too eager about executing consensus trusted players that don't die immediately. I've forgiven you for LG110, I promise Alright My votes so far: Ink Hopper Coco 1
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 hour ago, The Unknown Medallion said: I cannot, because I may be misremembering. I'd assume that unless someone else can confirm we revealed them Yeah we did I don’t remember who it was, Doc maybe? But it was announced in thread. 1 hour ago, Through the Living Hopper said: E!DOC because I do not trust anymore (and also weird analysis post which I will link soon) Doc is dead tho, what? 39 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: so is the deal today that one of the Prefects must be evil? From what I've gathered, Doc claimed he would self-protego but then died? And people think an elim Prefect must've Obliviated him? Is that a correct summary? Yeah sounds about right. He never said that in thread or in pm tho so I believe he claimed he did it in owl mail. Which means it’s certain that an elim obliviated him. That narrows it to me, Ink, and the Ravenclaw prefect (I don’t remember who that is. Whoever you are, care to claim an action last night?) also, if you don’t believe in obliviated grass then it could have been grass So Drake I’ll use your system I suppose Ink Ravenclaw prefect Also I’m feeling pretty sure your village
___ He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 11 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: That narrows it to me, Ink, and the Ravenclaw prefect (I don’t remember who that is. Whoever you are, care to claim an action last night?) also, if you don’t believe in obliviated grass then it could have been grass That is a very, very suspicious post. Why would you make an allowance for people not believing in obliviated Grass, when you are the one who is saying you did it? Edited April 1 by mippo Typo
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Current VC (7-10) Coco: TJ (2-3), Wahr (1-3), Drake (3), Mippo (1) (8-9) Ink: TJ (2-3), Mippo (3), Coco (3) (3-5) Hopper: Wahr (1-3), Mippo (2) (2-4) Grass: Wahr (1-3), TJ (1) (2) TUM: Drake (2) (2) TJ: Coco (2) TJ claimed Ravenclaw Prefect and I think he said that he Protegoed Aman.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) The Drake Fairy wandered around the castle, surrounded by others wearing similar clothes. They milled about in small groups, chatting or hurrying with purpose from one end of the castle to another. She sighted an odd transparent-looking fellow, but nobody seemed to think the apparition was out of place, so she followed their example. She was going to keep her head down and blend in. The trick was to look like she knew where she was going. There was a big glass building full of plants that caught her eye. She decided it was as good a destination as any. She made her way over to it, and nobody stopped her. She opened the door to the greenhouse and tentatively stepped in. A professor glared at her from the front of the room, and she quailed under the scrutiny, worried someone would finally notice that she didn’t belong. But the professor just grumbled something about tardy students and looked away. She quickly sat down in the corner and feigned extreme interest in a potted plant, avoiding eye contact with anyone while straining to listen. Was this a classroom of some kind, then? 19 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Yeah sounds about right. He never said that in thread or in pm tho so I believe he claimed he did it in owl mail. Which means it’s certain that an elim obliviated him. That narrows it to me, Ink, and the Ravenclaw prefect (I don’t remember who that is. Whoever you are, care to claim an action last night?) also, if you don’t believe in obliviated grass then it could have been grass So Drake I’ll use your system I suppose Ink Ravenclaw prefect Also I’m feeling pretty sure your village er, not that I think it's very likely, but just to enumerate all the options, whoever relayed Doc's Owl Mail could also be evil and lying, right? hey I'm feeling pretty sure I'm village too, good read, you are smart edit: I slightly like that you're down to just vote the other people in the suspect pool which you're a part of. I think elims are sometimes nervous about doing that, and prefer to cast doubt on the validity of the suspect pool instead of acknowledging it. Kinda interesting that the elims created this suspect pool by killing Doc. Though I guess maybe they weren't sure that Doc would self-protect, if we only figured out he did that via post-mortem messaging. edit2: ...it's actually pretty funny because the suspect pool for this would be larger if the elims hadn't been assiduously killing anyone who might've gotten Extra Credit Edited April 1 by DrakeMarshall
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 17 minutes ago, mippo said: That is a very, very suspicious post. Why would you make an allowance for people not believing in obliviated Grass, when you are the one who is saying you did it? Because I get that at least some people probably don’t believe me. So pretend for a moment right, that you don’t believe I did that. In that world, three of the four remaining prefects (me, grass, ink, and ravenclaw) still have a spell left to use, except for the one who obliviated doc yesterday. I’m simply trying to lay out all the options, even the one I know is impossible. Because I know otherwise people will probably call me out and say I’m suspicious for not mentioning that. 6 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: TJ claimed Ravenclaw Prefect and I think he said that he Protegoed Aman. Ooh okay I didn’t see that I’ll remove my vote on him That leaves Ink as the only remaining prefect with an unused spell, meaning they had to have been the one to do it. @Through the Living Ink care to respond? 5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: er, not that I think it's very likely, but just to enumerate all the options, whoever relayed Doc's Owl Mail could also be evil and lying, right? That is possible and a thing to keep in mind, however I do think it would have made sense for Doc to protect himself since he was one of the most universally trusted and therefore a great target for the elims Edited April 1 by coco.pudding
___ He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Because I get that at least some people probably don’t believe me. So pretend for a moment right, that you don’t believe I did that. In that world, three of the four remaining prefects (me, grass, ink, and ravenclaw) still have a spell left to use, except for the one who obliviated doc yesterday. I’m simply trying to lay out all the options, even the one I know is impossible. Because I know otherwise people will probably call me out and say I’m suspicious for not mentioning that. Ok I can see that Still though, makes you seem uncertain. I could be wrong.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 11 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: That is possible and a thing to keep in mind, however I do think it would have made sense for Doc to protect himself since he was one of the most universally trusted and therefore a great target for the elims yeah agreed Coco, are you trying to pocket me be honest you'd tell me if you were trying to pocket me, right? so the prefects are Coco, TJ, Grass, Ink Afaik Coco claims to have obliviated Grass (for the record, why'd you choose obliviate as your spell by the way?) this should mean Grass cannot have obliviated Doc unless Coco/Grass are E/E so we might as well limit the suspect pool to <Coco, TJ, Ink> because it looks like 1 of them has to be evil here does that track?
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, mippo said: Still though, makes you seem uncertain. Oh no, I’m very certain. Ink is the only prefect who could have obliviated Doc last night. Unless TJ is lying about everything 3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Coco, are you trying to pocket me be honest you'd tell me if you were trying to pocket me, right? Of course, I’m a good person like that! Spoiler Besides, you’d know if I was trying to pocket you because I’d be denying all connection and constantly sussing you, like I did to Archer during the last game! 5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Afaik Coco claims to have obliviated Grass (for the record, why'd you choose obliviate as your spell by the way?) I was sus of Grass for not claiming prefect and thought they might be an elim pretending not to be to get a secret spell. (And yes I’m aware of how many holes there are in that logic) The nice thing about that situation is that now we can narrow it down to one person instead of two!
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I was sus of Grass for not claiming prefect and thought they might be an elim pretending not to be to get a secret spell. (And yes I’m aware of how many holes there are in that logic) The nice thing about that situation is that now we can narrow it down to one person instead of two! Yes, but why did you choose Obliviate as your spell? As I understand it, this decision is permanent for the rest of the game, so I'd like to know where you were at with that.
Ink and Embers Any pronouns Posted April 1 Posted April 1 23 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Because I get that at least some people probably don’t believe me. So pretend for a moment right, that you don’t believe I did that. In that world, three of the four remaining prefects (me, grass, ink, and ravenclaw) still have a spell left to use, except for the one who obliviated doc yesterday. I’m simply trying to lay out all the options, even the one I know is impossible. Because I know otherwise people will probably call me out and say I’m suspicious for not mentioning that. Ooh okay I didn’t see that I’ll remove my vote on him That leaves Ink as the only remaining prefect with an unused spell, meaning they had to have been the one to do it. @Through the Living Ink care to respond? That is possible and a thing to keep in mind, however I do think it would have made sense for Doc to protect himself since he was one of the most universally trusted and therefore a great target for the elims *materialises* Hello I am online again Alright, given that it's drawing a ridiculous amount of suspicion on me, I have an unused Protego spell. Mint and Drake can confirm from PMs that Mint Aman and I decided it was the most village-friendly, as we didn't have strong Elim reads on any of the known / believed Prefects and vote manipulation wouldn't be the most helpful for anyone except Elims. I chose Protego as a result, but haven't used it yet as I didn't have a clear idea of who might be targeted. I have not Obliviated anyone. Therefore, I would guess (well, not really guess, there isn't another option) another Prefect is lying. I'm hesitant to say it's Ver, as pretending Mist was Prefect in order to conserve a hopefully-village spell is points in his favour. I don't entirely trust TJ, as he's normally one of the people with the most positive points but hasn't gotten Extra Credit, although that's not enough to give a strong e!read. I'm most suspicious of Coco; Obliviate targets aren't told they're targets so we have no way to verify her claim. I have a slight e!Hopper read, though not a strong one, as his votes this cycle seem to be based on vibes after relative silence in previous cycles. Seperate issue to the Prefect one, though.
coco.pudding she/they Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said: Yes, but why did you choose Obliviate as your spell? As I understand it, this decision is permanent for the rest of the game, so I'd like to know where you were at with that. Ah, no. Prefects only get one use of the spell. 1 minute ago, Through the Living Ink said: Obliviate targets aren't told they're targets so we have no way to verify her claim. That’s funny. We can’t verify you haven’t obliviated someone for the exact same reason : )
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted April 1 Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, Through the Living Ink said: Obliviate targets aren't told they're targets so we have no way to verify her claim. There is also the possibility of a very risky gambit were you make someone belive that he doesnt have a spell anymore, by claiming to oblivate him but dont actually doing it.
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