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1 minute ago, Furamirionind said:

Lol fair enough

Also im surprised there have been no moves to tie the vote so far... I kinda thought there would be

Too early for me to act.  Give it 6-7 more minutes for the fun to start.

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Araris (3): Jo, TJ, Hoid

Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alv

Fura (1): Mippo/Story

TJ (1): Storm

Mippo (1): Honour's Ghost

IHAT(2): doc, fura

Ksauce (1): IHAT

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"They killed their own village elder," Preservation said incredulously. "The Spiked haven't even drawn blood yet!"

"They're a lively bunch, aren't they?" Ruin mused, grabbing Preservation's piece off the board and laying it carefully to the side.

"It was a good move, though. Even if it didn't pan out," Ruin followed up. "It never does pay to sit passively and wait around for troubles to come knocking. They always do, in the end. You might as well get the drop on them."

"...or on poor Aralis?" Preservation sighed.

"Exactly."

"You're only happy things are going your way," Preservation complained.

"Yeah, maybe."

"It won't last. You're badly underestimating the Falls if you think this is enough to break them."

"Well, it's all been according to plan so far," Ruin said airily. "And you said I couldn't play the long game."

"What plan is that?" Preservation sighed.

Ruin grinned toothily. "Smokers always die first."

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@Araris Valerian has been voted out! He was a Village Smoker!

Night is upon us! Remember to tell me what actions you want to do tonight if you have any!

The night will end at this time.

 

Vote Tally:

Araris (5): Jo, TJ, Slayer, Stick
Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura
Fura (1): Mippo
Mippo (1): Honor
IHAT (1): Doc
KSauce (0): IHAT
TJ (1): TwinStorm

If it would've made the difference, I'd probably be stricter about the time cutoffs with Fura's vote switching, but in this case it's kinda moot so I went ahead and counted it.

 

Rules Errata: Copperclouds can be switched off, and this is actually their default state. Smokers must consciously decide to burn copper.

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1. @The Unknown Ookla (TUO) as :ph34r: (pronounced ":ph34r:")

2. @Ookla the Wallfacer (KSauce) as Mr. Nameless (that's not actually his real name though, bc he is nameless)

3. Araris Valerian as Aralis (will thwack you) Village Smoker

4. @Ookla the Broken (IHAT?) as Hail (thane of Glamis, thane of Cawdor, and king hereafter!)

5. @Ookla the Redeemed (Hoid Slayer) as Tyrion (no relations to Tyrian, possible relations to House Lannister)

6. @Ookla the Hoppy (Worldhopper?) as Coming Later (now uncontested for the name as There Can Only Be One)

7. @A Jo in the Bush as Jox (apprentice baker, veteran bush-dweller)

8. @|TJ| as Tyrian (😮👉 that's the name of the town!! ...you know when you die the cycle's gonna be titled "Tyrian Falls" right)

9. @Ookla the Wanderer (TwinStorm?) as Falls (besties with Tyrian)

10. @Alvron as Val (a mysterious yet bold individual)

11. @Doc12 as Rin (servant to a great House, and maybe also some of the people in it when there's time)

12. @Stick. as Stick (the Third)

13. @Ookla The Story (Mippo) as Lime Guy (eat in case of scurvy)

14. @Ookla The Vessel Of Honor (Honors ghost?) as ermmmmmmmm izzyieus the izbob (first name ermmmmmmmm, last name izzyieus... perhaps)

15. @Ookla the Counter (Exp) as Kas (are we sure identity theft isn't a joke bc this is pretty funny 😂)

16. @Furamirionind as As Exp (as As As Exp Exp help I might be having a stroke)

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Posted (edited)

Huh, so either Fura’s vote didnt count or Stick won the flip.

Edit: I probably should’ve actually read the write-up first

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Posted (edited)

I see 3 worlds where this could have happened. There are 2 votes removed  one being IHAT and the other one of Fura/Alv/TUH/Araris

That means possible worlds are

1. IHAT is a rioter that moved one of fura/alv/tuh/araris onto Araris

2. One of Fura/Alv/TUH is a rioter and moved IHAT's vote onto Araris

3. Someone who didnt vote rioted onto Araris AND someone soothed a vote as well.

3a. A rioter moved a vote off Stick (one of araris/tuh/fura/alv and onto Araris and a soother soothed IHAT's vote off Ksauce likely to confirm to someone they were a soother.

3b. A rioter rioted IHAT's vote onto Araris and a soother soothed a vote off Stick

Of these options, 3b seems unlikely as thats a pretty high level of coordination to help Stick not coming from her though she could be the soother in question. This level of coordination implies evil but I dont think the evil team would use more than 1 vote manip unless they didnt think it'd work due to all the smokers.

I think my big question is, in a world with 8 claimed smokers, how did we have this vote manip happen? Unless many people just didnt use their abilities at all including on themselves?

Edit: I dont think this was a double post when I made it? Was a post deleted?

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Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I see 3 worlds where this could have happened. There are 2 votes removed  one being IHAT and the other one of Fura/Alv/TUH/Araris

That means possible worlds are

1. IHAT is a rioter that moved one of fura/alv/tuh/araris onto Araris

2. One of Fura/Alv/TUH is a rioter and moved IHAT's vote onto Araris

3. Someone who didnt vote rioted onto Araris AND someone soothed a vote as well.

3a. A rioter moved a vote off Stick (one of araris/tuh/fura/alv and onto Araris and a soother soothed IHAT's vote off Ksauce likely to confirm to someone they were a soother.

3b. A rioter rioted IHAT's vote onto Araris and a soother soothed a vote off Stick

Of these options, 3b seems unlikely as thats a pretty high level of coordination to help Stick not coming from her though she could be the soother in question. This level of coordination implies evil but I dont think the evil team would use more than 1 vote manip unless they didnt think it'd work due to all the smokers.

I think my big question is, in a world with 8 claimed smokers, how did we have this vote manip happen? Unless many people just didnt use their abilities at all including on themselves?

Edit: I dont think this was a double post when I made it? Was a post deleted?

This probably happened because we all didn’t use our copperclouds.

As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” 

For clarification, Fura told me he was a Rioter, but then later said he rioted a smoker, and he knew that after reset, but before DrakeMarshal’s write-up. Which doesn’t make sense in the timeline of events.

Then, when I pushed him about how if he was a rioter, how the votes changed the outcome, where he then suggested that the Elims stole the rioter and added another just to cause a conversion like the one we had to happen. This would also be very unlikely as the Elims added a lot of smokers, so stealing the rioter doesn’t make sense.

If I could vote Fura I would, but it’s Night

Edit: Basically, Fura lied to me about being a rioter. So I think he’s an Elim

Edit 2: if Fura was a rioter, there would(n’t) be discrepancies in the votes and the people since he supposedly rioted a smoker

Edit 3:  there wouldn’t be discrepancies, sorry. Wow I’m editing this a lot, but since no one is posting I kinda have to if I want to add the information 

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yeah sorry about that I need to get my head in the game : / 

1 hour ago, Ookla the Broken said:

This probably happened because we all didn’t use our copperclouds.

As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” 

For clarification, Fura told me he was a Rioter, but then later said he rioted a smoker, and he knew that after reset, but before DrakeMarshal’s write-up. Which doesn’t make sense in the timeline of events.

Then, when I pushed him about how if he was a rioter, how the votes changed the outcome, where he then suggested that the Elims stole the rioter and added another just to cause a conversion like the one we had to happen. This would also be very unlikely as the Elims added a lot of smokers, so stealing the rioter doesn’t make sense.

If I could vote Fura I would, but it’s Night

Edit: Basically, Fura lied to me about being a rioter. So I think he’s an Elim

Edit 2: if Fura was a rioter, there would(n’t) be discrepancies in the votes and the people since he supposedly rioted a smoker

Edit 3:  there wouldn’t be discrepancies, sorry. Wow I’m editing this a lot, but since no one is posting I kinda have to if I want to add the information 

irrespective of Fura’s alignment, uve just jumped to my top villager read. this post is insanely villagery
 

I will say though, people like lying in PMs and messing around for “reaction tests”, so i wouldn’t say this is incriminating evidence for fura (plus, reading into timestamps can be a bit tricky). An elim would’ve just waited until after the write up to claim such an action so that they don’t accidentally out themselves 

 

atm i kinda villa lean fura for very blatantly role phishing in PMs, mostly because they seem to be very open about sharing their results 

 

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idk how to remove this lmao

Posted
19 minutes ago, Stick. said:

I will say though, people like lying in PMs and messing around for “reaction tests”, so i wouldn’t say this is incriminating evidence for fura (plus, reading into timestamps can be a bit tricky). An elim would’ve just waited until after the write up to claim such an action so that they don’t accidentally out themselves 

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idk how to remove this lmao

Yeah, poking and lying in PMs can make sense, I did that myself in a past game, but after confronting him and being like “there’s no way your a rioter” Fura still continued to say he was. His lie has been found out, there’s not reason to keep saying it. That means he’s trying to hide his role and possibly his alignment. So I don’t think that’s the case.

There is a possibility I’m over-reacting. But, in the world where Fura is an Elim. Claiming a rioter in a game filled with smokers makes sense, as it’s easy to disguise that you didn’t do anything to the smokers interfering. And that’s what he did. He claimed to be a rioter, and then claimed to riot a smoker. While there might be other reasons other than being an Elim. That seems most likely to me.

In the off chance Fura is just trying to hide an important role like Coinshot or Seeker or Mistborn or perhaps Lurcher, the easiest way for him to prevent that from coming out would be to just tell me when I asked him in PM, not continue with this until I bring it up here. 

Posted

Alright guys what the frick was that

Can someone try to weigh to me the pros and cons of roleclaiming? Cause I’m getting a lot of pressure in PMs and I’m starting to doubt what the best move is

Posted (edited)
52 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Alright guys what the frick was that

Can someone try to weigh to me the pros and cons of roleclaiming? Cause I’m getting a lot of pressure in PMs and I’m starting to doubt what the best move is

pros: get closer to solving the distro

cons: ...everything else 

 

im not sure what u mean by pressure in pms: if ur a villager, there's no need to feel any pressure. imo, dont true-claim in PMs unless the person ur claiming to is literally seeker scanned - else ur better off just claiming in the thread. but that's just me, im sure most people arent so rigid about role claiming 😛 

 

reminder that it is now night, people should be able to turn off their copperclouds - the abundance of smokers might mean they left our seeker untouched 

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8 minutes ago, Stick. said:

im not sure what u mean by pressure in pms: if ur a villager, there's no need to feel any pressure. imo, dont true-claim in PMs unless the person ur claiming to is literally seeker scanned - else ur better off just claiming in the thread. but that's just me, im sure most people arent so rigid about role claiming 😛 

No, I agree with that

By pressure, I mean that four people have asked me to roleswap already and I've politely turned them all down

Posted
6 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” 

BTW, generally you can't delete/hide posts, even if posting it was a mistake

My guess is that simplest explanation is best, IHAT rioted a Stick voter to Araris. That means IHAT/Stick are decently e/e. That's not guaranteed though, especially considering how volatile votes were at the end. That also implies we don't have a Soother, which is interesting. 

1 hour ago, Stick. said:

pros: get closer to solving the distro

cons: ...everything else 

 

im not sure what u mean by pressure in pms: if ur a villager, there's no need to feel any pressure. imo, dont true-claim in PMs unless the person ur claiming to is literally seeker scanned - else ur better off just claiming in the thread. but that's just me, im sure most people arent so rigid about role claiming 😛 

 

reminder that it is now night, people should be able to turn off their copperclouds - the abundance of smokers might mean they left our seeker untouched 

Drake said CC start off btw

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Sorry I couldn't make it yesterday, I was really busy. I should be pretty free come Saturday (and Christmas Break, yay!), so let's hope I survive that long!

I'll read D1 to see what I missed, but right now I don't have great leads. Broken is feeling villager for their deletion antics.

Posted
1 hour ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

By pressure, I mean that four people have asked me to roleswap already and I've politely turned them all down

do u wanna name names? :ph34r:

 

14 minutes ago, The Unknown Ookla said:

That means IHAT/Stick are decently e/e.

hmm yes we are paired but in a v/v sense im afraid. fura is also likely villa so im automatically skeptical of anyone encouraging violence in this triad despite my slight villa lean on u from yesterday

 

im also not sure why that's the simplest explanation to u (or why the simplest explanation = likeliest case) and because araris and i were both leading wagons for quite a while, i dont think the last minute vote movement means anything at all wrt the vote manip, especially because those last minute votes must have been predictable to anybody paying attention 

Posted
23 minutes ago, Stick. said:

or why the simplest explanation = likeliest case

This dude named Occam told me it was true, so it must be :P

The vote losses and gain match a Riot perfectly. It's possible the Rioter was a Stick voter and moved IHAT, but voting for you then moving a vote away is odd, and honestly elim behavior 

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The following is the 18 posts currently made by Ookla the Broken (aka Broken Aether (aka IHadAThought)) If you're not interested in that, don't open the spoiler

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Post 1

On 12/15/2025 at 9:37 PM, Ookla the Broken said:

Thanks for the tineyes they’re appreciated 

Not Alignment Indicative. Some people appreciate PM's, others don't. This doesn't tend to change as people's alignment's change from game to game.

Post 2

19 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

So, I’m getting v!lean from |TJ| as if ye was elim he’d know the answers to those questions. Now he could be faking, but so far, based on responses it seems to be genuine confusion. I might change this later.

Both Fura and Stick made a joke about being Elims and donating roles, not something I think an Elim would do, especially not in the their first post. Slight V!lean on them.

So far everyone else has just been poking mostly Doc, and Tj, with Stick, Araris, A Joe in a Bush, and TOW(ookla the hoppy) getting one vote each. So far I’m not reading much into those. Though the Tj votes indicate they either think he’s Elim or have information I dont.

No one’s responded to the poking yet, as far as I know, but I’ll join in the poking for now Ookla the Redeemed(Hoid Slayer)

Professes a Village Lean on |TJ|Furamirionind, and Stick. I personally would have leaned NAI on those three posts that caused Broken to V!Lean, but YMMV.

Post 3

18 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

This is only my second game, I wouldn’t say I’m particularly good at this. I did lose my first game though, the Elims won in that one.

so far votes are, I think:

<snip>

Suprisingly there aren’t a lot of votes for multiple people. Which makes this a really good ground for the rioter and soother.

Good to know how much experience you have. It feels like you've played more than 2 games, which could be a sign of Elim coaching, or could be a sign of skill. Broken blatantly mentions Rioter/Soothers here. Does that mean anything? . . . maybe?

Post 4

17 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Wait, the MR thing has a meaning? I never saw anything about that in the S.E. Explanations… so… where can I find this?

What will we do during night? Or is that just a time for the coinshot and Elims and such to do their thing?

I realize this will unironically get me into the derp clear debate, but since this is news to me, I’m alright with that. I’d prefer to have one less villager now if it means I know what’s happening 

Honestly I don't consider this a Derp-Clear. It wouldn't surprise me if the entire Elim team got caught by the 24 vs 48 hour turn change. 

Post 5

17 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

The poke votes are scary, but the train idea is good, it limits the abilities of the soother/rioter. But… until we know if the Elims stole them for vote manipulation, it may not matter.

Ive PMed with Fura, he seemed nice and cooperative, not what I’d expect from an Elim, I might jump on TJ just to continue a Train? But I’m not jumping on Fura

TJ

Hmmm, I need to analyze worlds in which Elims do steal vote manipulation but give us all the guards against it. 

Good Elims can be very nice and cooperative, more so than villagers even, because they know who to be cooperative with.

Post 6

16 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

That’s true, I suppose. But that just means there’s no lean either way. The cooperation could be a sign of either, so I don’t think that’s enough of a reason to vote him

Fair

Post 7

15 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

What about a combine of 1 and 2? Remove coinshot, and steal seeker. That results in the Elims having control over who dies at night and makes sure they don’t get hit by coinshot. Then the seeker lets them know who to hit. Plus this still leaves a few points for removing smoker and/or stealing rioter or soother

This feels weird if Broken is a rioter as is hypothesized. We pretty widely know at this point that we're in a 6+ Smoker world, and Broken the Village Rioter wouldn't have a strong reason to be thinking about the Eliminators stealing the Rioter role.

IFF Broken = Rioter, E!Lean

Post 8

11 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:
11 hours ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Also I think it is better if all village smokers don't use their smoke on the off chance that there is a village seeker because we don't want that to get in the way. Unless I'm missing something, but I think it's not likely that elims have vote manip anyways so it should be safe to not smoke. 

That’s risky, if we have an Elim seeker, then we’re letting them find out who has what, and depending on whether they left us a coinshot or lurcher or anything, then they could find that out and target them. It doesn’t look like that’s the case, but it’s there’s a world where the people claiming to be smokers are Elims trying to disguise that they have the seeker. I haven’t had a lot of people tell me they're smokers, so idk how many have told all of you. That number would say something 

With this many Smokers in the game, Village or not, it does seem likely that there is a Village Seeker. In a E!Broken V!Seeker world, this post makes sense to exist. In an E!Broken!Rioter world, this post doesn't make sense to exist. I don't know Broken well enough to guess whether or not this makes sense to exist in a V!Broken!Rioter world.

Annoyingly, I think this post is IFF Broken = Rioter, V!Lean, which neatly cancels out Post 7.

Post 9

11 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Oh, so we could be going against 3 Elim mistborn or thugs.

Edit: this could be bad… when we vote a thug or a thug is killed, is their affiliation revealed? Cause if not… we could kill an elim and not know…

Honestly, I would judge the Elims rather negatively if they chose to steal 3 copies of Thug. That just sounds tedious. It's technically a smart play, in that it effectively doubles the number of night kills they have access to. But it leaves the Village with a Coinshot and a Seeker, which gives us plenty of opportunity to check flipped thugs. Village Smokers probably wouldn't target flipped thugs.

A 3 Elim Mistborn world sounds highly amusing tbh. I could see that.

Post 10

11 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Okay, yeah, that’s fair. I’d still like to know how many people have claimed smoker. Ookla the wanderer did it publicly and Fura mentioned other in PMs. Idk if others have had it as well. Just the number, if you don’t want to tell me who that’s fine. I’d just like to make sure we have multiple smokers and it’s not just the Elims pretending 

I've had exactly 1 person tell me they're a Smoker, but I'm not all that active in PM's.

Post 11

10 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Okay, yeah, they’ve definitely flooded us with smokers. Let the seeker do their thing. And hope they’re village, which so far seems likely. 
edit: I forgot my reasoning: 6 smokers is way to many. If there’s five Elims, all of them claiming smoker this early is so suspicious and a really bad idea as if they get caught using any other ability ( thug or something) than they’re instantly outed 

We now have the proof that there is at least 1 Village Smoker (Araris Valerian), so anyone else who is a Village Smoker should know that we are in a world with a lot of Village Smokers.

Post 12

10 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

I’m a smoker as well everyone, if we have 8 smokers… two of which are elim, that means that the seeker is going to have a rough time. Half the people are smoked, and the Elim smokers will probably smoke their buddies. Meaning that if none of us smoke anyone else, the seeker can only see about 6 people

Does V!Broken!Rioter like about being a Smoker immediately after learning it's the default? Maybe? I don't think it's going to be too useful to analyze smoker claims at this point, as we don't have a way to verify them without killing them.

Post 13

10 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

We can’t, we can choose to not smoke someone else, but we ourselves are automatically smoked. As for the Elims, they’ll smoke their buddies, and if someone’s a smoker is being smoked I believe the seeker would receive the same message, I think.

Incorrect, but understandable mistake.

Post 14

10 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

The vibes are completely fair. Last game I was in my vibes were all over the place, so I can understand the vote. Also, ties just make it so that the rioter and soother have control of the votes, they’re not random like usual.

Sorry, but you not knowing this despite claiming to be a smoker makes me think you’re an Elim being smoked by another Elim. Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re asking? Until you explain that, I’ll have to move my vote to you.

Ookla the Wallfacer

I don't think V!Broken!Rioter makes this vote. I think E!Broken!Rioter does? But V!Broken!Smoker also would.

Post 15

10 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

<Snip> Vote Count

NAI

Post 16 We're now in Night 1

8 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Huh, so either Fura’s vote didnt count or Stick won the flip.

Edit: I probably should’ve actually read the write-up first

This doesn't feel like a Rioter post, so I think this is V!Leaning

Post 17

6 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

This probably happened because we all didn’t use our copperclouds.

As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” 

For clarification, Fura told me he was a Rioter, but then later said he rioted a smoker, and he knew that after reset, but before DrakeMarshal’s write-up. Which doesn’t make sense in the timeline of events.

Then, when I pushed him about how if he was a rioter, how the votes changed the outcome, where he then suggested that the Elims stole the rioter and added another just to cause a conversion like the one we had to happen. This would also be very unlikely as the Elims added a lot of smokers, so stealing the rioter doesn’t make sense.

If I could vote Fura I would, but it’s Night

Edit: Basically, Fura lied to me about being a rioter. So I think he’s an Elim

Edit 2: if Fura was a rioter, there would(n’t) be discrepancies in the votes and the people since he supposedly rioted a smoker

Edit 3:  there wouldn’t be discrepancies, sorry. Wow I’m editing this a lot, but since no one is posting I kinda have to if I want to add the information 

TBH, I think this is also V!Leaning, and if it is all completely true, I don't think it's E!Fura leaning. 

Post 18

4 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Yeah, poking and lying in PMs can make sense, I did that myself in a past game, but after confronting him and being like “there’s no way your a rioter” Fura still continued to say he was. His lie has been found out, there’s not reason to keep saying it. That means he’s trying to hide his role and possibly his alignment. So I don’t think that’s the case.

There is a possibility I’m over-reacting. But, in the world where Fura is an Elim. Claiming a rioter in a game filled with smokers makes sense, as it’s easy to disguise that you didn’t do anything to the smokers interfering. And that’s what he did. He claimed to be a rioter, and then claimed to riot a smoker. While there might be other reasons other than being an Elim. That seems most likely to me.

In the off chance Fura is just trying to hide an important role like Coinshot or Seeker or Mistborn or perhaps Lurcher, the easiest way for him to prevent that from coming out would be to just tell me when I asked him in PM, not continue with this until I bring it up here. 

Hmm, I want to hear Fura's side of this story, but I'm leaning towards you over-reacting.

TL;DR: I'm leaning towards Ookla the Broken being a Village Smoker.

Now then, I'm going to go burn down John's house. Does anyone have a preference on what flavor of muffins they want me to cook afterwards?

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2 hours ago, Stick. said:

do u wanna name names? :ph34r:

In order:

Fura, Mippo, Twin, Doc

2 hours ago, Stick. said:

yep. possible, to create confusion/chaos 

Just to confirm, Stick, the Riot was not performed by you in self-preservation?

1 hour ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

The following is the 18 posts currently made by Ookla the Broken (aka Broken Aether (aka IHadAThought)) If you're not interested in that, don't open the spoiler

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Post 1

Not Alignment Indicative. Some people appreciate PM's, others don't. This doesn't tend to change as people's alignment's change from game to game.

Post 2

Professes a Village Lean on |TJ|Furamirionind, and Stick. I personally would have leaned NAI on those three posts that caused Broken to V!Lean, but YMMV.

Post 3

Good to know how much experience you have. It feels like you've played more than 2 games, which could be a sign of Elim coaching, or could be a sign of skill. Broken blatantly mentions Rioter/Soothers here. Does that mean anything? . . . maybe?

Post 4

Honestly I don't consider this a Derp-Clear. It wouldn't surprise me if the entire Elim team got caught by the 24 vs 48 hour turn change. 

Post 5

Hmmm, I need to analyze worlds in which Elims do steal vote manipulation but give us all the guards against it. 

Good Elims can be very nice and cooperative, more so than villagers even, because they know who to be cooperative with.

Post 6

Fair

Post 7

This feels weird if Broken is a rioter as is hypothesized. We pretty widely know at this point that we're in a 6+ Smoker world, and Broken the Village Rioter wouldn't have a strong reason to be thinking about the Eliminators stealing the Rioter role.

IFF Broken = Rioter, E!Lean

Post 8

With this many Smokers in the game, Village or not, it does seem likely that there is a Village Seeker. In a E!Broken V!Seeker world, this post makes sense to exist. In an E!Broken!Rioter world, this post doesn't make sense to exist. I don't know Broken well enough to guess whether or not this makes sense to exist in a V!Broken!Rioter world.

Annoyingly, I think this post is IFF Broken = Rioter, V!Lean, which neatly cancels out Post 7.

Post 9

Honestly, I would judge the Elims rather negatively if they chose to steal 3 copies of Thug. That just sounds tedious. It's technically a smart play, in that it effectively doubles the number of night kills they have access to. But it leaves the Village with a Coinshot and a Seeker, which gives us plenty of opportunity to check flipped thugs. Village Smokers probably wouldn't target flipped thugs.

A 3 Elim Mistborn world sounds highly amusing tbh. I could see that.

Post 10

I've had exactly 1 person tell me they're a Smoker, but I'm not all that active in PM's.

Post 11

We now have the proof that there is at least 1 Village Smoker (Araris Valerian), so anyone else who is a Village Smoker should know that we are in a world with a lot of Village Smokers.

Post 12

Does V!Broken!Rioter like about being a Smoker immediately after learning it's the default? Maybe? I don't think it's going to be too useful to analyze smoker claims at this point, as we don't have a way to verify them without killing them.

Post 13

Incorrect, but understandable mistake.

Post 14

I don't think V!Broken!Rioter makes this vote. I think E!Broken!Rioter does? But V!Broken!Smoker also would.

Post 15

NAI

Post 16 We're now in Night 1

This doesn't feel like a Rioter post, so I think this is V!Leaning

Post 17

TBH, I think this is also V!Leaning, and if it is all completely true, I don't think it's E!Fura leaning. 

Post 18

Hmm, I want to hear Fura's side of this story, but I'm leaning towards you over-reacting.

TL;DR: I'm leaning towards Ookla the Broken being a Village Smoker.

Now then, I'm going to go burn down John's house. Does anyone have a preference on what flavor of muffins they want me to cook afterwards?

Disregard this entirely if you will, but the hyperfocus reads e!Jo to me instinctively

That aside, chocolate chip please 😛

I'll try to get a timeline of yesterday sometime today but I really don't know how much I'll be able to do

Edit:

Actually guys don't count on anything coming from me today. I'll try but I am about to go over to a friend's house for I have no idea how long and I do all my long writing on my laptop so...

Bye bye

Edited by Ookla the Redeemed
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