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[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

3 hours ago, The Unknown Ookla said:

I'd bet on the elims being scared of Fura's info gathering and killing her

Also, apparently my assessment of the Rioting situation was wrong. It seems Hoid moved IHAT or a Stick voter to Araris, and a Soother was responsible for the other one

But Fura had a lot of suspicion and looked on track to being voted out. I think it's the Village Coinshot, and Hoid was the elim kill. 

Also, yes, I am back.

I don't have any good reads. Honor's Ghost is kind of suspicious, but it's her first game. I don't like Alvron's lack of activity, but I won't be voting just yet.

[Stick. she/her]

shouldn’t the write up differentiate between the spiked nk and other kills 

 

idk to me those kills kinda look like the elims stole the coinshot lmao. but if not im guessing fura is the elim kill, yeah. they were obvious village imo 

 

@Ookla the Wallfacer im curious what made u think fura was going to be voted out? if fura was indeed the spiked nk this might be slightly villagery for u i think 

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

I am sorry to fura I was wrong

currently I have no idea who might be elom

Edited December 18, 2025 by Ookla The Vessel Of Honor

[|TJ| he/him]

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Vote Tally:

Araris (5): Jo, TJ, Slayer, Stick
Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura
Fura (1): Mippo
Mippo (1): Honor
IHAT (1): Doc
KSauce (0): IHAT
TJ (1): TwinStorm

For there to be a +1 vote on Araris, there HAD to be a Riot. The Rioter COULDN'T have been Hoid Slayer because the self-vote cancel would have made a net difference of zero. It's not likely that there are 2 Rioters in the game (what is the logic behind the elims donating an extra Rioter? To steal it? If so, why not just steal it directly instead of leaving village with a Rioter?). Then, this Riot we observe is mostly from a Mistborn who rolled Rioter. This narrows the Mistborn(or the 2nd Rioter) to [TUO, Alv, IHAT] among voters and [KSauce, Exp, Honor]. I'm still deciding if this Riot is an evil action or not, time will tell. 

I'm gonna eliminate the actions the elims did not take - 

Thug	Remove	Steal
Tineye	Remove	Steal
Smoker	Remove	Steal
Seeker	Remove	Steal
Coinshot	Remove	Steal
Lurcher	Remove	Steal
Soother	Remove	Steal
Rioter	Remove	Steal
Mistborn	Remove	Steal

Obviously, the assumption here is that they just let the Seeker be because they flooded the village with Smokers. No point in Stealing Seeker as well when there is a hoard of village Smokers. 

Tbc...

[TwinStorm He/Him]

don't know what to make of the tineye message

50% right, and the 4 elims sound accurate

also sry guys imma tell you rn I suck at vote anaylsis my strengths are in vibe kills and analyzing past posts

rn tho im just trying to fully grasp everything that just happened 

also annoyed that Hoid slayer died lol I feel like I trusted him more than most

Spoiler

does this death explain the vote manip D1?

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by Ookla the Wanderer
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[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Honestly with this many Smokers i'm starting to think the Elims did steal the coinshot, and are just hoping the village Smokers protect them on accident.

I'm now in favor of all Village Smokers taking no nightly actions. 

(I don't regret posing the hypothetical of donating infinite smokers to the village during sign-ups if you're wondering.)

[Myst He/Him]

54 minutes ago, Ookla the Wanderer said:

don't know what to make of the tineye message

50% right, and the 4 elims sound accurate

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does this death explain the vote manip D1?

 

Yeah, I just looked and the Tineye is a Night action… so whoever made it did it then. They were 75% right, at least(I’m counting myself) I have a V!lean on Stick, and that would mean the Tineye got pretty much that entire thing correct. I’m not sure if this means the seeker found them, or that was just reading. If the seeker found the Tineye, that’s a good way of sharing the seeker info, without telling the Elims who the seeker is. If it’s just from analysis, that’s good analysis

Actually, the seeker couldn’t have, it’s a night action as well, so they wouldn’t know what their bronze picked up until today. So they couldn’t have used Seeker info in there.

[___ He/Him]

I think that Honors Ghost is a mistborn. She a while back outright said she was a smoker, then offered to swap roles with me. I declined, and then after Fura was killed said this: 

4 hours ago, Ookla The Vessel Of Honor said:

I am sorry to fura I was wrong

currently I have no idea who might be elom

I think she's the village mistborn 

[Stick. she/her]

err yeah i dunno about that one, friend. how did u reach that conclusion? if i assume its because u read that post of theirs as an admission of the fura kill, then:

 

1. why mistborn and not coinshot 

2. why village and not elim 

2. and probably most importantly, why share this in the thread for everyone to see if u think they’re village and not elim  

[___ He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Stick. said:

err yeah i dunno about that one, friend. how did u reach that conclusion? if i assume its because u read that post of theirs as an admission of the fura kill, then:

 

1. why mistborn and not coinshot 

2. why village and not elim 

2. and probably most importantly, why share this in the thread for everyone to see if u think they’re village and not elim  

Those are all good questions

I

Didn't really think about those things  

[Stick. she/her]

Ok mood tbh 

[Experience he/him]

Working on and off on analysis post, but did have the thought that tineye could be elim as well. In that scenario, it is very likely that at least one of the 4 names mentioned are elim and they included fura and redeemed because they knew either one or both were going to die anyways (and they know who are villagers). If it is an elim tineye we are dealing with, then it would make sense to include an elim in the list as the tineye seems 'credible' from the other village flips. 

And ofc if we're dealing with v!tineye then yeah they were right about fura and redeemed but it doesn't mean anything becuase they know as much as anyone who the actual elims are.

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Working on and off on analysis post, but did have the thought that tineye could be elim as well. In that scenario, it is very likely that at least one of the 4 names mentioned are elim and they included fura and redeemed because they knew either one or both were going to die anyways (and they know who are villagers). If it is an elim tineye we are dealing with, then it would make sense to include an elim in the list as the tineye seems 'credible' from the other village flips. 

And ofc if we're dealing with v!tineye then yeah they were right about fura and redeemed but it doesn't mean anything becuase they know as much as anyone who the actual elims are.

So it basically comes down to whether or not we have a V!tineye or or E!tineye. And either way there’s suspicioun. With Elim, one of them is Elim, with V!, it’s pretty much just reasoning.

Im hoping that the seeker found something and is telling people about it. Because that’s kind of where we’re at. 

Edit: I’ve probably PMed more than half the people here, but I’ll go do some more

Edited December 18, 2025 by Ookla the Broken

[Stick. she/her]

12 minutes ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Working on and off on analysis post, but did have the thought that tineye could be elim as well. In that scenario, it is very likely that at least one of the 4 names mentioned are elim and they included fura and redeemed because they knew either one or both were going to die anyways (and they know who are villagers). If it is an elim tineye we are dealing with, then it would make sense to include an elim in the list as the tineye seems 'credible' from the other village flips. 

And ofc if we're dealing with v!tineye then yeah they were right about fura and redeemed but it doesn't mean anything becuase they know as much as anyone who the actual elims are.

ehh this is a strange take (and i promise it’s not just bc i happen to be on the tineye list LOL) - bc what use do elims have for a tineye? surely there’s better use for those 4 points. So i think that one’s pretty much always a villa role regardless 

 

& a tineye message is just that, a message. on n1 especially they’re just as informed as the rest of us so idk, just treat it as any other post in the thread. im not sure what prompted this post from u either cuz i dont rly see anyone pushing that list as seeker scanned villagers (broken in fact just explained how that isnt even possible) but it’s kinda giving me “elim internally panicking about a pure villa list on the tineye board post” vibes  

 

Exp but hoping to see ur analysis post before i go to bed cuz that’ll def help me form a better read on u 

[|TJ| he/him]

5 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Tbc...

Continuing because I was on my work computer and had to leave - 

8 number of Smoker claims is interesting because it means 1 original default Smoker existed and elims donated 7 Smokers. This in turn means 7 vanillas existed before the donation but after all the role removals. If 7 vanillas existed after removals, the other 9 HAD to be power roles. And because there are only 9 power roles, it means there were NO role removals. This is a good thing to rule out, because it means elims allocated all their points in stealing the roles. 

[If there are any more unclaimed Smokers, they should claim now imo. There's no advantage of an unclaimed Smoker now.]

This is important because we can make the following deduction - 

At the beginning of N0, we started with 9 PR villagers, 3-4 (powerless) elims, and 3-4 vanilla villagers. 

If they stole 1 role (for eg, Coinshot) -> 8 PR villagers, 1 e!Coinshot + 2-3 elims and 4-5 vanilla villagers 

They would not be able to steal any more roles, so essentially no way for the 2/3 elims to be anything vanilla. The maximum possible Smokers here is - 

• in case of 3 total elims -> 6 (1 og + 5 donated) v!Smokers exist, 2 Smoker claims are wrong and from the (powerless) elims
• in case of 4 total elims -> 5 (1 og + 4 donated) v!Smokers exist , 3 Smoker claims are wrong and from the (powerless) elims

We can then go on and extrapolate this for whatever number of roles we assume they stole. 

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, |TJ| said:

Continuing because I was on my work computer and had to leave - 

8 number of Smoker claims is interesting because it means 1 original default Smoker existed and elims donated 7 Smokers. This in turn means 7 vanillas existed before the donation but after all the role removals. If 7 vanillas existed after removals, the other 9 HAD to be power roles. And because there are only 9 power roles, it means there were NO role removals. This is a good thing to rule out, because it means elims allocated all their points in stealing the roles. 

[If there are any more unclaimed Smokers, they should claim now imo. There's no advantage of an unclaimed Smoker now.]

This is important because we can make the following deduction - 

At the beginning of N0, we started with 9 PR villagers, 3-4 (powerless) elims, and 3-4 vanilla villagers. 

If they stole 1 role (for eg, Coinshot) -> 8 PR villagers, 1 e!Coinshot + 2-3 elims and 4-5 vanilla villagers 

They would not be able to steal any more roles, so essentially no way for the 2/3 elims to be anything vanilla. The maximum possible Smokers here is - 

• in case of 3 total elims -> 6 (1 og + 5 donated) v!Smokers exist, 2 Smoker claims are wrong and from the (powerless) elims
• in case of 4 total elims -> 5 (1 og + 4 donated) v!Smokers exist , 3 Smoker claims are wrong and from the (powerless) elims

We can then go on and extrapolate this for whatever number of roles we assume they stole. 

So I’m assuming you’re using the coinshot as an example and not just assuming they stole the coinshot. The problem is that there’s a lot of role combinations they could’ve stolen or removed. Also, we don’t know if they actually gifted max smoker’s, we could be missing roles and don’t know it yet. So this is giving E!lean to me. There’s a lot of assumptions that I don’t think have basis

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

10 hours ago, Stick. said:

shouldn’t the write up differentiate between the spiked nk and other kills 

 

idk to me those kills kinda look like the elims stole the coinshot lmao. but if not im guessing fura is the elim kill, yeah. they were obvious village imo 

 

@Ookla the Wallfacer im curious what made u think fura was going to be voted out? if fura was indeed the spiked nk this might be slightly villagery for u i think 

I think Fura was the Village Coinshot kill. I feel like he had a decent chance of being voted out because IHAT's logic was sound enough.

1 hour ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Working on and off on analysis post, but did have the thought that tineye could be elim as well. In that scenario, it is very likely that at least one of the 4 names mentioned are elim and they included fura and redeemed because they knew either one or both were going to die anyways (and they know who are villagers). If it is an elim tineye we are dealing with, then it would make sense to include an elim in the list as the tineye seems 'credible' from the other village flips. 

And ofc if we're dealing with v!tineye then yeah they were right about fura and redeemed but it doesn't mean anything becuase they know as much as anyone who the actual elims are.

I find an elim tineye unlikely, but it is a possibility.

44 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Continuing because I was on my work computer and had to leave - 

8 number of Smoker claims is interesting because it means 1 original default Smoker existed and elims donated 7 Smokers. This in turn means 7 vanillas existed before the donation but after all the role removals. If 7 vanillas existed after removals, the other 9 HAD to be power roles. And because there are only 9 power roles, it means there were NO role removals. This is a good thing to rule out, because it means elims allocated all their points in stealing the roles. 

[If there are any more unclaimed Smokers, they should claim now imo. There's no advantage of an unclaimed Smoker now.]

This is important because we can make the following deduction - 

At the beginning of N0, we started with 9 PR villagers, 3-4 (powerless) elims, and 3-4 vanilla villagers. 

If they stole 1 role (for eg, Coinshot) -> 8 PR villagers, 1 e!Coinshot + 2-3 elims and 4-5 vanilla villagers 

They would not be able to steal any more roles, so essentially no way for the 2/3 elims to be anything vanilla. The maximum possible Smokers here is - 

• in case of 3 total elims -> 6 (1 og + 5 donated) v!Smokers exist, 2 Smoker claims are wrong and from the (powerless) elims
• in case of 4 total elims -> 5 (1 og + 4 donated) v!Smokers exist , 3 Smoker claims are wrong and from the (powerless) elims

We can then go on and extrapolate this for whatever number of roles we assume they stole. 

I like this. Village points for you. But why would one of the elims not claim Smoker?

40 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

So I’m assuming you’re using the coinshot as an example and not just assuming they stole the coinshot. The problem is that there’s a lot of role combinations they could’ve stolen or removed. Also, we don’t know if they actually gifted max smoker’s, we could be missing roles and don’t know it yet. So this is giving E!lean to me. There’s a lot of assumptions that I don’t think have basis

He never said max smokers. He never said there weren't many possible combinations.

IHAT

[Experience he/him]

Okay I finallyyyy have some time for analysis lets start with juicy votes.

We ofc know that Fura, Redeemed(I didn't realize they were also slayer until like halfway through my analysis), and Araris are good.

Araris (5): Jo, TJ, Slayer, Stick
Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura
Fura (1): Mippo
Mippo (1): Honor
IHAT (1): Doc
KSauce (0): IHAT
TJ (1): TwinStorm

I think it is very likely that at least one of the votes on Araris are elim, so lets look at them first.

Jo voted araris first page and well before any train ever existed. Next post has some distro thoughts and doesn't want those currently in the chopping block to die. This kinda doesn't make total sense as the votes at that time were:

TJ (3): IHAT/Broken, Vessel of Honor,  Storm

Stick (2): Araris, TUO

Fura (3): Hoid, Mippo/Story, KSauce

Araris (3): Jo, TJ, Fura

Seemed fine enough with everything to at least leave the vote where it was. His next post is responding to some people and mentions that a post by IHAT (Broken) gives elim vibes. Doesn't make any more posts d1 and then start of n1 gives a post analysis of IHAT and is now leaning village. d2 post saying they think smokers shouldn't. 

I haven't played with Jo for a couple years so idk it's hard cuz there's not a ton of stuff to analyze. For now I'm leaning neutral-.

Next up is TJ.

He's publickly confused about how distro works and thought that there could only be one of each role (as did I and some others I believe?). But TJ is smart enough to fake it so doesn't realy clear much. Also does some distro solving. Votes Araris when the votes are:

TJ (3): Exp/Ookla the Counter, Ookla Broken, Vessel of Honor

Stick (2): Mippo (Ookla the Story), Araris 

Fura(2): Ookla the Redeemed/Hoid, Fura

Hoid (the Redeemed) (1): IHAT/Ookla the Broken

Pooh Bear (1): Jo

Jo (1): Twin/Ookla the Wanderer

TOW (the Hoppy) (1): KSauce/Ookla the Wallfacer

Pros are this was also before an Araris train existed. There's a chance they were trying to move pressure off of stick (although TJ was the top train at this point and it's still pretty early on in the day anways so not too much weight here either way I don't think). And that was the last for d1. Nothing n1. d2 is doing more distro analysis because we finally have enough info to start getting some ideas of what it could be. Although I do not think that all smokers should claim. If all smokers are publickly known and elims gave every vanillager smoker, then they would be able to easily kill any villagers with roles that are more useful. I know a lot of people have claimed smokers, and I hope not all have and if so not all have been truthful. Anways, uhm. My Brain says neautral+ and my gut says something feels off so i'll go with neutral for now.

Next up is Stick. Pretty early on gives a village read for Redeemed. Village vibes from TUO. Also got slammed by the MRness of the game and voted in self pres on Araris at the end of d1. Huh. I'll note that prior to this post I was gut negative on stick and need to remember that for the future but honestly they haven't done anything that raises any red flags. neutral+ ig idk. Also the reason I posted regarding the tineye was because somebody in pms was talking about them so it was on my mind.

Hmm. Maybe there is a world where all three of them are village? I mean yes there is a chance that that is the case. Let me look at the vote manip next ig?

Araris (5): Jo, TJ, Slayer, Stick
Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura
Fura (1): Mippo
Mippo (1): Honor
IHAT (1): Doc
KSauce (0): IHAT
TJ (1): TwinStorm

There has to ofc be a rioter involved because soother can't add to the number. So...oh wait KSauce has 0 why didn't I see that before? Has this been discussed yet? Doesn't that just mean that IHAT rioted one of [Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura]'s votes onto Araris? It would mean that Slayer/Redeemed didn't use their riot or it was blocked by a smoker. The only way I see there being two riots is if Slayer used their riot in order to move someone's vote onto Araris (say from stick) which would keep Araris at 4 but knock Stick down to 3 and then IHAT rioted a non-voters vote to Araris as well. Ig that is a possibilitiy. Ohhhh, but ig it could just be that it's not IHAT and his vote was the one used which is why it's at zero. This is getting me nowhere except more confused as it looks like Slayer just didn't riot? Like why isn't it more likely that IHAT rioted and slayer didn't? If that's the case IHAT is almost certaintly the mistborn. Could be that they are elim though and so if IHAT flips e!mistborn I think that pairs IHAT and Stick as e/e canidates. If somebody could help me understand the possibilities or point me to a post that already explains it that'd be helpful.

I'm going to continue with analysis in a bit because I need a brain break, but for now Jo ig cuz we need people to start voting and talking more in thread. 

Current VC:

Alvron (1): Broken
Exp/Counter (1): Stick
IHAT (1): Wallfacer
Jo(1): Exp/Counter

[Myst He/Him]

19 minutes ago, Ookla the Wallfacer said:

I think Fura was the Village Coinshot kill. I feel like he had a decent chance of being voted out because IHAT's logic was sound enough.

I find an elim tineye unlikely, but it is a possibility.

I like this. Village points for you. But why would one of the elims not claim Smoker?

He never said max smokers. He never said there weren't many possible combinations.

IHAT

He never said, “max smokers” but he pretty much did. He said that if 7 smokers were given after removals, and then says there must not have been any removals. 

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

8 number of Smoker claims is interesting because it means 1 original default Smoker existed and elims donated 7 Smokers. This in turn means 7 vanillas existed before the donation but after all the role removals. If 7 vanillas existed after removals, the other 9 HAD to be power roles. And because there are only 9 power roles, it means there were NO role removals. This is a good thing to rule out, because it means elims allocated all their points in stealing the roles. 

I’m pointing out that the Elims may have removed roles, and only gifted 7 smokers, we don’t know if they gifted the maximum amount of smokers. He’s using the existence of 7 added smokers to mean we got gifted max Elims, with all nine power roles staying or being stolen. We have no way of knowing they all exist. This is based on the assumption that the max amount of smokers was gifted, which I’m calling him out on. I will say, this sounds like and Elim protecting and Elim. But I’d like to hear your response before making judgements

Edit:

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Okay I finallyyyy have some time for analysis lets start with juicy votes.

We ofc know that Fura, Redeemed(I didn't realize they were also slayer until like halfway through my analysis), and Araris are good.

Araris (5): Jo, TJ, Slayer, Stick
Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura
Fura (1): Mippo
Mippo (1): Honor
IHAT (1): Doc
KSauce (0): IHAT
TJ (1): TwinStorm

I think it is very likely that at least one of the votes on Araris are elim, so lets look at them first.

Jo voted araris first page and well before any train ever existed. Next post has some distro thoughts and doesn't want those currently in the chopping block to die. This kinda doesn't make total sense as the votes at that time were:

TJ (3): IHAT/Broken, Vessel of Honor,  Storm

Stick (2): Araris, TUO

Fura (3): Hoid, Mippo/Story, KSauce

Araris (3): Jo, TJ, Fura

Seemed fine enough with everything to at least leave the vote where it was. His next post is responding to some people and mentions that a post by IHAT (Broken) gives elim vibes. Doesn't make any more posts d1 and then start of n1 gives a post analysis of IHAT and is now leaning village. d2 post saying they think smokers shouldn't. 

I haven't played with Jo for a couple years so idk it's hard cuz there's not a ton of stuff to analyze. For now I'm leaning neutral-.

Next up is TJ.

He's publickly confused about how distro works and thought that there could only be one of each role (as did I and some others I believe?). But TJ is smart enough to fake it so doesn't realy clear much. Also does some distro solving. Votes Araris when the votes are:

TJ (3): Exp/Ookla the Counter, Ookla Broken, Vessel of Honor

Stick (2): Mippo (Ookla the Story), Araris 

Fura(2): Ookla the Redeemed/Hoid, Fura

Hoid (the Redeemed) (1): IHAT/Ookla the Broken

Pooh Bear (1): Jo

Jo (1): Twin/Ookla the Wanderer

TOW (the Hoppy) (1): KSauce/Ookla the Wallfacer

Pros are this was also before an Araris train existed. There's a chance they were trying to move pressure off of stick (although TJ was the top train at this point and it's still pretty early on in the day anways so not too much weight here either way I don't think). And that was the last for d1. Nothing n1. d2 is doing more distro analysis because we finally have enough info to start getting some ideas of what it could be. Although I do not think that all smokers should claim. If all smokers are publickly known and elims gave every vanillager smoker, then they would be able to easily kill any villagers with roles that are more useful. I know a lot of people have claimed smokers, and I hope not all have and if so not all have been truthful. Anways, uhm. My Brain says neautral+ and my gut says something feels off so i'll go with neutral for now.

Next up is Stick. Pretty early on gives a village read for Redeemed. Village vibes from TUO. Also got slammed by the MRness of the game and voted in self pres on Araris at the end of d1. Huh. I'll note that prior to this post I was gut negative on stick and need to remember that for the future but honestly they haven't done anything that raises any red flags. neutral+ ig idk. Also the reason I posted regarding the tineye was because somebody in pms was talking about them so it was on my mind.

Hmm. Maybe there is a world where all three of them are village? I mean yes there is a chance that that is the case. Let me look at the vote manip next ig?

Araris (5): Jo, TJ, Slayer, Stick
Stick (3): Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura
Fura (1): Mippo
Mippo (1): Honor
IHAT (1): Doc
KSauce (0): IHAT
TJ (1): TwinStorm

There has to ofc be a rioter involved because soother can't add to the number. So...oh wait KSauce has 0 why didn't I see that before? Has this been discussed yet? Doesn't that just mean that IHAT rioted one of [Araris, TUO, Alvron, Fura]'s votes onto Araris? It would mean that Slayer/Redeemed didn't use their riot or it was blocked by a smoker. The only way I see there being two riots is if Slayer used their riot in order to move someone's vote onto Araris (say from stick) which would keep Araris at 4 but knock Stick down to 3 and then IHAT rioted a non-voters vote to Araris as well. Ig that is a possibilitiy. Ohhhh, but ig it could just be that it's not IHAT and his vote was the one used which is why it's at zero. This is getting me nowhere except more confused as it looks like Slayer just didn't riot? Like why isn't it more likely that IHAT rioted and slayer didn't? If that's the case IHAT is almost certaintly the mistborn. Could be that they are elim though and so if IHAT flips e!mistborn I think that pairs IHAT and Stick as e/e canidates. If somebody could help me understand the possibilities or point me to a post that already explains it that'd be helpful.

I'm going to continue with analysis in a bit because I need a brain break, but for now Jo ig cuz we need people to start voting and talking more in thread. 

Current VC:

Alvron (1): Broken
Exp/Counter (1): Stick
IHAT (1): Wallfacer
Jo(1): Exp/Counter

My vote has been discussed, I think the consensus was that the Soother soothed me to prove that they were the soother. The conversation was in Night 1, if you want to check that out

Edited December 18, 2025 by Ookla the Broken

[Experience he/him]

11 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

He never said, “max smokers” but he pretty much did. He said that if 7 smokers were given after removals, and then says there must not have been any removals. 

I’m pointing out that the Elims may have removed roles, and only gifted 7 smokers, we don’t know if they gifted the maximum amount of smokers. He’s using the existence of 7 added smokers to mean we got gifted max Elims, with all nine power roles staying or being stolen. We have no way of knowing they all exist. This is based on the assumption that the max amount of smokers was gifted, which I’m calling him out on. I will say, this sounds like and Elim protecting and Elim. But I’d like to hear your response before making judgements

Edit:

My vote has been discussed, I think the consensus was that the Soother soothed me to prove that they were the soother. The conversation was in Night 1, if you want to check that out

Ah okay. I guess there is also a world where TUO or Alvron rioted your vote onto Araris though idk how likely that is. 

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

He never said, “max smokers” but he pretty much did. He said that if 7 smokers were given after removals, and then says there must not have been any removals. 

I’m pointing out that the Elims may have removed roles, and only gifted 7 smokers, we don’t know if they gifted the maximum amount of smokers. He’s using the existence of 7 added smokers to mean we got gifted max Elims, with all nine power roles staying or being stolen. We have no way of knowing they all exist. This is based on the assumption that the max amount of smokers was gifted, which I’m calling him out on. I will say, this sounds like and Elim protecting and Elim. But I’d like to hear your response before making judgements

Ahh right. I'd missed that.

I agree that there may be some role removals

Also I don't see why the elims wouldn't max smokers, as it is obviously their strategy. There may be more Smokers, just ones who haven't claimed.

I haven't been keeping track, does anyone know who has and hasn't roleclaimed yet?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Honestly i'm a bit hesitant to accept the idea that so many smokers have claimed. I worry that the number is an exaggeration. 

I think we should also stop roleclaiming, to let the power roles hide.

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

IHAT

[Alvron]

49 minutes ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Ah okay. I guess there is also a world where TUO or Alvron rioted your vote onto Araris though idk how likely that is. 

There is no world in the multiverse where I move a vote to break a tie.  Create one, yes, break one, never.

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

Alright. I think it is time to clear up any scenario where the elims did or did not max Smokers.

What other roles could they want to donate?

The only other role I can think of that they'd donate is Tineye, if they want to ensure PMs being open because one of them is Doc or something. If find this unlikely though.

So I feel like it is safe to say that they maxed Smokers. If their strategy is to donate Smokers, there is no reason to not go all out.

@Ookla the Broken