choose your own distro MR75 [Signups]: Tyrian Twisted

[Araris Valerian he/him]

15 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Suprisingly there aren’t a lot of votes for multiple people. Which makes this a really good ground for the rioter and soother.

On a related note, we need to be a bit careful. I think folks are used to playing Tyrian rules as a LG, but this is a MR. That means we have 9 hours left to settle our votes. @DrakeMarshall can you get the rollover time in the writeup?

Edited December 16, 2025 by Araris Valerian

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

17 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

On a related note, we need to be a bit careful. I think folks are used to playing Tyrian rules as a LG, but this is a MR. That means we have 9 hours left to settle our votes. @DrakeMarshall can you get the rollover time in the writeup?

Oh schnappity schnapp that's no bueno

Reading the rules now o7

[Doc12]

Oh rust I assumed it was the usual 48 hours, not 24 and 24. Currently still at work and will be busy tonight (I will be acquiring my very first cat) but I promise to be back and try to squeeze in a vote before rollover. I'll also do my usual PM every player once I actually have time, which might not be until middle of night 1. (feel absolutely free to PM me first!)

Anyways. Hi everyone.

Hoid was there actually anything you wanted from me besides showing up? 

Drake I am also interested in TJ's question on whether we can know for sure if any roles were stolen. 

Not really that invested in the Derp clear debate. Am sort of interested in Stick tying themselves to TJ so early.  

That's all I have for now, I'll be back sometime before rollover I promise ! 

[Myst He/Him]

41 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

On a related note, we need to be a bit careful. I think folks are used to playing Tyrian rules as a LG, but this is a MR. That means we have 9 hours left to settle our votes. @DrakeMarshall can you get the rollover time in the writeup?

Wait, the MR thing has a meaning? I never saw anything about that in the S.E. Explanations… so… where can I find this?

4 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Oh rust I assumed it was the usual 48 hours, not 24 and 24. Currently still at work and will be busy tonight (I will be acquiring my very first cat) but I promise to be back and try to squeeze in a vote before rollover. I'll also do my usual PM every player once I actually have time, which might not be until middle of night 1. (feel absolutely free to PM me first!)

Anyways. Hi everyone.

Hoid was there actually anything you wanted from me besides showing up? 

Drake I am also interested in TJ's question on whether we can know for sure if any roles were stolen. 

Not really that invested in the Derp clear debate. Am sort of interested in Stick tying themselves to TJ so early.  

That's all I have for now, I'll be back sometime before rollover I promise ! 

What will we do during night? Or is that just a time for the coinshot and Elims and such to do their thing?

I realize this will unironically get me into the derp clear debate, but since this is news to me, I’m alright with that. I’d prefer to have one less villager now if it means I know what’s happening 

 

 

 

 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Wait, the MR thing has a meaning? I never saw anything about that in the S.E. Explanations… so… where can I find this?

Yeah, Mid Range games have 48-hour cycles, and in this game they are split into 24/24 day/night. Other MR games don't split into day/night. Long Games are typically 48/24 and QF games are just 24 hour cycles with no split. This is in the "Game Formats" section of the rules thread.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

8 hours ago, |TJ| said:

A couple of questions for @DrakeMarshall, before I start speculating on elim team tactics and how they would have spent their points and decided the distro - 

1. Are we in the default setting, i.e., all allomantic abilities appear only once in the game?

2. Can we take it as confirmation that there was NO removal of any roles because there was no NPC death mentioned in the write-up? 

To answer both of your questions, what you are supposing is epistemically possible but not confirmed.

I wouldn't announce if a role had been removed, stolen, or added prior to the game. It would rather spoil the distro mindgames I want to see 

50 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

On a related note, we need to be a bit careful. I think folks are used to playing Tyrian rules as a LG, but this is a MR. That means we have 9 hours left to settle our votes. @DrakeMarshall can you get the rollover time in the writeup?

o7 good idea

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 hours ago, |TJ| said:

From what I can understand of the rules - 

there can only be 1 tineye, and to further conclude, there are 9 or less power roles in the game with 7 or more vanillas. 

So, I'm willing to give Fura a very small village lean for that joke. 

The AUDACITY smh :P, you're not giving us powers. It IS ours, and you are stealing them smh :P.

A couple of questions for @DrakeMarshall, before I start speculating on elim team tactics and how they would have spent their points and decided the distro - 

1. Are we in the default setting, i.e., all allomantic abilities appear only once in the game?

2. Can we take it as confirmation that there was NO removal of any roles because there was no NPC death mentioned in the write-up? 

I know how easy it is to fake, but I like this

It seems too thought out and formulaic for an elim who doesn't care about an answer

2 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

So, I’m getting v!lean from |TJ| as if ye was elim he’d know the answers to those questions. Now he could be faking, but so far, based on responses it seems to be genuine confusion. I might change this later.

Both Fura and Stick made a joke about being Elims and donating roles, not something I think an Elim would do, especially not in the their first post. Slight V!lean on them.

So far everyone else has just been poking mostly Doc, and Tj, with Stick, Araris, A Joe in a Bush, and TOW(ookla the hoppy) getting one vote each. So far I’m not reading much into those. Though the Tj votes indicate they either think he’s Elim or have information I dont.

No one’s responded to the poking yet, as far as I know, but I’ll join in the poking for now Ookla the Redeemed(Hoid Slayer)

Don't love this

Not because it attacks me, but because it points out what I see as a problem and proceeding to contribute to it

I really don't know IHAT, but superficial observations and a passive action seems like a very simple elim formula in my experience

1 hour ago, Furamirionind said:

Stick already said what I was going to say about the rules but it doesn't seem to me you are treating My and Sticks posts the same way despite us making the same joke. Additionally, you're saying you are v!leaning me in a post because my joke doesn't understand the rules (making it seem like you do understand the rules) and then later in the post asking Drake for clarification on the same rule. Seems to be to be possibly setting up a flip on me. Also not applying what you said to Stick makes me think a TJ-Stick team is possible

Doc
TJ

Don't love this

Feels very... idk. You know like chatgpt vibes? Like not like AI written but like it's too flat, too blatant, too clear

I disagree with the rules comment; TJ is, in my view, simply stating what he understands of the rules and then making sure he is correct

I don't see anything sus in that

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Stick. I’m not sure if you’ve played with Hoid Slayer before,

MR72

You IMed

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

but in my experience he exudes village energy even when he’s elim (much to my chagrin in the last game I played).

That's true

This is my 9th game, I believe, and I've only been exed once 

1 hour ago, Stick. said:

noted re:hoid slayer - although i didn’t rly explain what exactly made me think that post had villa energy. actually do u wanna play a game where u guess and i give u half a villa point if it’s correct…

EDIT:

would be a sick af elim strat to use a random villager to justify ur reads for u by lying about having justifications to begin with, will have to use this for when i rand elim LOL

?

All of this confuses me

55 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

This is only my second game, I wouldn’t say I’m particularly good at this. I did lose my first game though, the Elims won in that one.

so far votes are, I think:

Stick: Araris, ookla the story

TJ: Fura, ookla the counter

Doc: ookla the redeemed

ookla the redeemed: me(ookla the broken

Araris: A Jo in the bush

A Jo in the Bush: ookla the wanderer

ookla the hoppy: ookla the wallfacer

Suprisingly there aren’t a lot of votes for multiple people. Which makes this a really good ground for the rioter and soother.

'preciate it, broski

First things first: the elims win nearly every single game in my experience, so don't get your hopes up too much

6 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Oh rust I assumed it was the usual 48 hours, not 24 and 24.

Same

6 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Hoid was there actually anything you wanted from me besides showing up? 

...

not really

I was hoping for motion that can later be analyzed

And seeing as Fura DID get off you we did get some motion, although I don't really have time for a big analysis now

BUT combine that with the weird TJ strike and maybe I'm onto something 

Or maybe I'm shooting randomly into the fog and will end up killing a friend

You never know in this game

VC (IHAT's but edited):

    Stick (2): Mippo (Ookla the Story), Araris (poke?)

    TJ (2): Exp/Ookla the Counter (poke), Fura (derp stuff)

    Doc (1): Hoid/Ookla the Redeemed (pressure)

    Hoid (the Redeemed) (1): IHAT/Ookla the Broken (poke)

    Pooh Bear (1): Jo (poke)

    Jo (1): Twin/Ookla the Wanderer (poke)

    TOW (the Hoppy) (1): KSauce/Ookla the Wallfacer (poke)

So... first, I'm concerned by the amount of times I wrote the word "poke" considering how close it is to rollover

Seeing as our only two maybe-trains right now suck, I'm gonna throw a vote on Fura for a funky attack on TJ and possible vote retraction on Doc

Fura, please defend yourself. My reasoning is paper thin and I'll admit it's weak but it's the best I got

Since I've complained about poke votes, let me be clear: this is in no way intended as a poke vote. I fully intend to start a train, and highly encourage anyone reading this to jump on that train.

Let's cause some chaos

Gotta go now, but would love it if someone got around to making a timeline of the day so far.

Will hopefully have time to RP before rollover.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I've sworn off poke votes. I'm happy to see Stick dead, though I think I'd be willing to switch onto TJ as well. Fura was nice enough to PM me, so I don't think I'll be hopping on your train.

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

So... first, I'm concerned by the amount of times I wrote the word "poke" considering how close it is to rollover

Seeing as our only two maybe-trains right now suck, I'm gonna throw a vote on Fura for a funky attack on TJ and possible vote retraction on Doc

Fura, please defend yourself. My reasoning is paper thin and I'll admit it's weak but it's the best I got

Since I've complained about poke votes, let me be clear: this is in no way intended as a poke vote. I fully intend to start a train, and highly encourage anyone reading this to jump on that 

The poke votes are scary, but the train idea is good, it limits the abilities of the soother/rioter. But… until we know if the Elims stole them for vote manipulation, it may not matter.

Ive PMed with Fura, he seemed nice and cooperative, not what I’d expect from an Elim, I might jump on TJ just to continue a Train? But I’m not jumping on Fura

TJ

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I've sworn off poke votes. I'm happy to see Stick dead, though I think I'd be willing to switch onto TJ as well. Fura was nice enough to PM me, so I don't think I'll be hopping on your train.

Aww

Fura pmed, me too, asking for a role swap

I politely declined, as though I doubt we get a village Lurcher, I still see reasons for elims to fish and use village roles

If I may ask, why would you be happy to see Stick dead?

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Ive PMed with Fura, he seemed nice and cooperative, not what I’d expect from an Elim, I might jump on TJ just to continue a Train? But I’m not jumping on Fura

I get that, but think:

If he were an elim, wouldn't that be at least equal if not greater reason to seem nice and cooperative?

[___ He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I've sworn off poke votes. I'm happy to see Stick dead, though I think I'd be willing to switch onto TJ as well. Fura was nice enough to PM me, so I don't think I'll be hopping on your train.

 

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

The poke votes are scary, but the train idea is good, it limits the abilities of the soother/rioter. But… until we know if the Elims stole them for vote manipulation, it may not matter.

Ive PMed with Fura, he seemed nice and cooperative, not what I’d expect from an Elim, I might jump on TJ just to continue a Train? But I’m not jumping on Fura

TJ

 

1 minute ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Aww

Fura pmed, me too, asking for a role swap

I politely declined, as though I doubt we get a village Lurcher, I still see reasons for elims to fish and use village roles

If I may ask, why would you be happy to see Stick dead?

It seems Fura's PMed most of us

He PMed me too, still waiting for a response.

Definitely very friendly

13 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

I know how easy it is to fake, but I like this

It seems too thought out and formulaic for an elim who doesn't care about an answer

Don't love this

Not because it attacks me, but because it points out what I see as a problem and proceeding to contribute to it

I really don't know IHAT, but superficial observations and a passive action seems like a very simple elim formula in my experience

Don't love this

Feels very... idk. You know like chatgpt vibes? Like not like AI written but like it's too flat, too blatant, too clear

I disagree with the rules comment; TJ is, in my view, simply stating what he understands of the rules and then making sure he is correct

I don't see anything sus in that

MR72

You IMed

That's true

This is my 9th game, I believe, and I've only been exed once 

?

All of this confuses me

'preciate it, broski

First things first: the elims win nearly every single game in my experience, so don't get your hopes up too much

Same

...

not really

I was hoping for motion that can later be analyzed

And seeing as Fura DID get off you we did get some motion, although I don't really have time for a big analysis now

BUT combine that with the weird TJ strike and maybe I'm onto something 

Or maybe I'm shooting randomly into the fog and will end up killing a friend

You never know in this game

VC (IHAT's but edited):

    Stick (2): Mippo (Ookla the Story), Araris (poke?)

    TJ (2): Exp/Ookla the Counter (poke), Fura (derp stuff)

    Doc (1): Hoid/Ookla the Redeemed (pressure)

    Hoid (the Redeemed) (1): IHAT/Ookla the Broken (poke)

    Pooh Bear (1): Jo (poke)

    Jo (1): Twin/Ookla the Wanderer (poke)

    TOW (the Hoppy) (1): KSauce/Ookla the Wallfacer (poke)

So... first, I'm concerned by the amount of times I wrote the word "poke" considering how close it is to rollover

Seeing as our only two maybe-trains right now suck, I'm gonna throw a vote on Fura for a funky attack on TJ and possible vote retraction on Doc

Fura, please defend yourself. My reasoning is paper thin and I'll admit it's weak but it's the best I got

Since I've complained about poke votes, let me be clear: this is in no way intended as a poke vote. I fully intend to start a train, and highly encourage anyone reading this to jump on that train.

Let's cause some chaos

Gotta go now, but would love it if someone got around to making a timeline of the day so far.

Will hopefully have time to RP before rollover.

I'd like to see a response to this too

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

I get that, but think:

If he were an elim, wouldn't that be at least equal if not greater reason to seem nice and cooperative?

That’s true, I suppose. But that just means there’s no lean either way. The cooperation could be a sign of either, so I don’t think that’s enough of a reason to vote him

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, Ookla the Broken said:

That’s true, I suppose. But that just means there’s no lean either way. The cooperation could be a sign of either, so I don’t think that’s enough of a reason to vote him

You're right, it's not; and it's not why I'm voting him.

I'm voting him cause I didn't like his attack on TJ, and I don't like any of the other candidates at the moment. At the very least, my attack stimulates discussion like this. I also noticed Fura unvoted TJ once I voted him, but that's minimal.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

If I may ask, why would you be happy to see Stick dead?

Revenge for LG 100 . But honestly I've just never been good at reading her, and it's D1 so whatever is fine.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Revenge for LG 100 . But honestly I've just never been good at reading her, and it's D1 so whatever is fine.

Disagree

D1 has importance

It sets the wheels turning for the rest of the game

An argument could be made that D1 reads are the most important

You may not like it, but you ignore it at your own risk

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

Errrmmmm I’ll poke 

TJ

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Ookla The Vessel Of Honor said:

Errrmmmm I’ll poke 

TJ

Are you aware of the current train on TJ?

Cause it's not every day you see a "poke" on a leading train 

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

There are 16 players so my gut says probably 4 elims. In a v!coinshot game I could see there being 5 elims, but with elims choosing the distro there's no way there's 5 this game.

Spoiler

Base 1 kill/day/night
D1: 12-4
D2: 10-4
D3: 8-4
D4: 6-4 (probably last day with 5 elims)
D5: 4-4 (probably last day with 4 elims)

w/ coinshot
D1: 12-4
D2: 9-4
D3: 6-4 (probably last day unless coinshot hits an elim)

I was going to say a decent bit more about my role distro guess but this game seems surprisingly more PM safe than some past ones soooo... I'm not going to share any thoughts yet on what I think the role distro actually is... but I suspect currently that the elims didn't touch the rioter/soother roles.

17 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Disagree

D1 has importance

It sets the wheels turning for the rest of the game

An argument could be made that D1 reads are the most important

You may not like it, but you ignore it at your own risk

I think Araris is still doing that by advocating for a player's death. Even though it's not a strong read, if Araris or Stick flips evil later, this info will still be helpful. I will say, I haven't played with you in years @Araris Valerian... but what happened to the bloodthirstiness? lol

45 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Seeing as our only two maybe-trains right now suck, I'm gonna throw a vote on Fura for a funky attack on TJ and possible vote retraction on Doc

Fura, please defend yourself. My reasoning is paper thin and I'll admit it's weak but it's the best I got

Since I've complained about poke votes, let me be clear: this is in no way intended as a poke vote. I fully intend to start a train, and highly encourage anyone reading this to jump on that train.

Let's cause some chaos

Gotta go now, but would love it if someone got around to making a timeline of the day so far.

Will hopefully have time to RP before rollover.

Some people have been commenting on my Doc vote? idk to be frank I've been talking to Doc about how I'm going to get revenge for last game so that was just a reference to that. It wasn't even really a poke, hence why I moved it once I had a vote I was somewhat interested in... Also... I... don't know how to respond to calling my post chatgpt-ish?? I can't believe you'd say something so hurtful to a fellow villager : P

I will say a lot of my posts are very rambly and I usually start games trying to write more concise and direct and then fall apart quickly... but I do like being straight to the point lol.

28 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

You're right, it's not; and it's not why I'm voting him.

I'm voting him cause I didn't like his attack on TJ, and I don't like any of the other candidates at the moment. At the very least, my attack stimulates discussion like this. I also noticed Fura unvoted TJ once I voted him, but that's minimal.

I haven't unvoted TJ? I haven't posted in hours.

To be honest, if I was not me this game I'd start to be strangely suspicious of the whole conversation around me. You're hedging hard on me, Araris and IHAT immediately jump to my defense advocating for counter trains. Ookla the Story saying they're potentially sus with no vote. Then Honor jumps in and "pokes" the leading counter train...

I very much trust Ookla the Redeemed atm... the going after me and Araris feels good even though I disagree with logic on both.

Anyways, I'm very pro new-trains and chaos and Im not liking the TJ train at the moment so...

TJ
Fura

 

Edit:

TJ (3): Exp/Ookla the Counter, Ookla Broken, Vessel of Honor

Stick (2): Mippo (Ookla the Story), Araris 

Fura(2): Ookla the Redeemed/Hoid, Fura

Hoid (the Redeemed) (1): IHAT/Ookla the Broken

Pooh Bear (1): Jo

Jo (1): Twin/Ookla the Wanderer

TOW (the Hoppy) (1): KSauce/Ookla the Wallfacer

Edited December 16, 2025 by Furamirionind

[Experience he/him]

Sheesh I can't believe nobody has made PMs with me yet smh.

Pretty busy rn but luckily it's d1 so not many reads can be made yet anyways.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

15 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

There are 16 players so my gut says probably 4 elims. In a v!coinshot game I could see there being 5 elims, but with elims choosing the distro there's no way there's 5 this game.

Agree

15 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I was going to say a decent bit more about my role distro guess but this game seems surprisingly more PM safe than some past ones soooo... I'm not going to share any thoughts yet on what I think the role distro actually is... but I suspect currently that the elims didn't touch the rioter/soother roles.

Ooh okay I see what you were doing

So uhh when do you plan on sharing those thoughts?

16 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

I haven't unvoted TJ? I haven't posted in hours.

Sorry, meant Doc 

16 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Fura

...

*blinks rapidly*

[TwinStorm He/Him]

7 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

That’s absolutely fair coming from a village smoker like you certainly are. 
I will vote for Araris Valerian, because I am immune to Thwacking

 

I am a village smoker 

im being completely serious rn

somebody scan me tonight

Spoiler

tho they prolly got rid of seekers

8 hours ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Uhh okay

Hiya everybody

It’s vacations so I’m gonna deal with all this later

But for now…

Doc

Yes I know there’s already a vote on him but I’ve decided that standard poke votes suck and that to get a real reaction you gotta apply more pressure

Also @Stick. I’m sorry for immediately exeing you the only other time we’ve played together

With all that done, how are y’all?

don't vote for Doc . . . .

hes nice

Spoiler

nah jk just have a natural bias towards him lol

gonna scan the thread later today

3 hours ago, Stick. said:

LOL but honestly u pointed the finger at me first smh 

 

I might actually be getting villa vibes from TUO for the first time in my life tbh. what a strange feeling. surely this cannot go wrong 

 

@Ookla the Broken how long have u been playing SE/how many games have u played since u joined? same Q to @Ookla the Wanderer and @Ookla the Wallfacer. just curious cuz ur all new faces to me and it’ll be nice to know if im underestimating ur skills lol 

EDIT:

a poke vote is just a random vote u place to get the game going, typically stays until u have reason to move 

 

a derp clear refers to someone outing villa by demonstrating a lack of understanding of the rules. generally the informed minority will have a better understanding because they’ll have (presumably) had private discussions about everything in their document but obviously, this is an assumption and sometimes elims just don’t read the rules either 

little over a year of games

so abt 10 or 11

GMed once 

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

40 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Are you aware of the current train on TJ?

Cause it's not every day you see a "poke" on a leading train 

Nope I just saw some people voted on him so I did too 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Ookla The Vessel Of Honor said:

Nope I just saw some people voted on him so I did too 

That’s what I mean by train; he already has votes on him, so yours isn’t a “poke” - it’s a dangerous strike

Important distinction to make

 

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

That’s what I mean by train; he already has votes on him, so yours isn’t a “poke” - it’s a dangerous strike

Important distinction to make

 

Ohhhhhhh ok thanks um I’m gonna recast my vote

Can I vote Ookla the story

[|TJ| he/him]

3 hours ago, Furamirionind said:

Stick already said what I was going to say about the rules but it doesn't seem to me you are treating My and Sticks posts the same way despite us making the same joke. Additionally, you're saying you are v!leaning me in a post because my joke doesn't understand the rules (making it seem like you do understand the rules) and then later in the post asking Drake for clarification on the same rule. Seems to be to be possibly setting up a flip on me. Also not applying what you said to Stick makes me think a TJ-Stick team is possible

I've played with Stick enough to know she jokes about being evil quite a bit :P, I've also played with Stick enough to know that giving (even a tiny) village read to her this early into the game is playing with fire, it's like peeking inside a wolf's mouth, she'll then chomp at her own convenience xD , so I don't usually do that :P. 

With regards to my question to Drake, I assumed what he meant by "by default" was - with regular player counts we'd have one role reach and if the player count was larger, we would possibly start with more than one role. I did not know about the 'donate spikes to village' part. 

1 hour ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I wouldn't announce if a role had been removed, stolen, or added prior to the game. It would rather spoil the distro mindgames I want to see 

Then, let the distro mind-games begin! 

Case - 1: Evil Coinshot Team

Let's start off simple. 21 points required to steal a Coinshot, and hence, no chance of any other combination. Lots of kill power but also, leaves Thug and Lurcher in the hands of the village, and no Smoker protection against Seeker. I'd say the possibility is low, but also, it would be the most obvious case to guess as the game goes on.  It's a game of luck here as they would need to hit Lurcher and Seeker fast, and hope vote manips fall in their favor if used.

Steal Coinshot -> Not likely, favorable in a high risk-appetite team

Case - 2: Vote Manipulation Evil Team 

I saw someone say they doubt the elim team touches these roles, but I actually disagree. It is underrated how brutally effective vote manipulation is in the hands of the elim team. If you don't believe me, ask anyone on the village team from LG83 (not me, I was evil ). If they steal both Soother and Rioter (16 points in total), they can overcome a 3 vote difference and equalize a 4 vote difference. Sure, it will be obvious if this happened, but we still would have to find out the identities of the Soother and Rioter. There could also be a case where vote manip is not needed to save them at all initially, and in one critical junction later in the game, swish, all the votes swiped off. They can make sure they close-to never get exed. Let's say they invest their other points in either removing Lurcher (4 pts) (kills go through) or Coinshot (4 pts) (remove the possibility of killing them in the night), and removing Smoker (1 pt) (making sure their vote manips go through)[yes, I saw someone claim Smoker, but let me hypothesize smh). I know someone might say fear-mongering but I'm sorry, it has to be stated here that this is a very viable elim strategy.   

Steal Soother & Rioter + Remove Lurcher/Coinshot + Remove Smoker -> Effective strategy, case for caution, case for only 1 vote manip steal with other combinations for a more balanced team also exists

Case - 3: Seeker Protection Evil Team

This is a bit tricky because of the rule that any role can be added any number of times, because yes, the best way to deal with Seeker is to bombard the game with Smokers. Why would they spend 6/8 points to remove or steal Seeker when they can just do this for free? They could also steal a Smoker and make sure 2 of their members are always hidden. Also, if the idea is to remove Seeker, why not just put 2 more points and use it to hunt for power roles? So, I actually think the likelihood that the game does not have Seeker is very less. They have either stolen it or are using some strategies to combat it [(a)donate Smokers to village or (b)steal Smoker or (c)anything else I cannot think of right now]. If they steal Seeker (8 pts), I kinda expect them to steal Smoker as well (3 pts). If the point is to hunt for power roles, there's no point in letting a village Smoker hinder things for them. 

Steal Seeker & Smoker -> Nullifies alignment scans, optimum/ideal strategy

Case - 4: Zero Protection Village Team

Quite simple, they just remove/steal Lurcher and Thug

Additional - 

You can actually merge case 3 and case 4 to form a very balanced team because there would be points for it. Let's say - 

Steal Seeker (8) + Remove Thug (2) + Remove Lurcher (4) + Steal Smoker (3) -> 17

and they'd still be left with 4 points to play around. I'd say that is a solid team. 

If they let Seeker be by flooding the village with Smokers, I'd say replace 'Stealing Seeker' in the above with Stealing Mistborn (7) for more variability.

Edited December 16, 2025 by |TJ|