Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) Okay, so, I know people are wondering my reasoning for Doc being villager. First off, we have to assume I’m village here, if you don’t, which Ashbringer and Wonko believe, as well as probably some others(at least for now) I’ll address that at the end. By the time PMs were open, Doc would have had 15 rupees(-5 for the postman’s hat) he had the rupees to send PMs to 5 people(or less if he wanted to send more words to other people) anyways. To my knowledge, both Archer and Wonko received a PM. Out of all those people D1A-D2A, Archer, Wonko and I were the most active. Doc sent a PM to the other most active people, but not me. As an Elim, Doc can and will absolutely manipulate using PMs, and he sent them to the other two, and he could’ve sent it to me as well, but he didn’t. An E!Doc would know I’m village and would’ve PMed me as well(this is where me being Village is essential). An E!Doc would’ve PMed me if he knew I was Village. Yet because he didn’t know that, he didn’t. That’s how I know he’s Village For those about to say that we’re both Elim and that I didn’t get a PM because we would just talk in the Elim Doc, why would I bring this up then? As an Elim, there is no reason to solidly push another Elim as Village in case they get discovered as Elim and then I get discovered because of it. As for if I’m simply lying about not getting a PM from Doc, we can literally ask him. @Doc12 Edit: just an fyi, I got a PM from both Doc and Burnt last night, here I am specifically referring to that first night PMs were available where I didn’t get any PMs from Doc Edited February 28 by Mistfallen Soldier
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Haelbarde said: Huh. So they did go for the evil win after all. I guess that means you're off the hook Ashbringer. A general reminder that confirmed good is not confirmed right, but is highly likely honest. ~~~ The slap had gotten him moving, but he did not really know what to do. Mostly he tried to stay out the way to let those with a better idea of what to do actually do what they were doing. It had been confused when a haunting melody had cut through it all as a skull kid had appeared. As someone else knocked into him, he spun around, stumbling into the path of the terrible masked visage of this new creature. In it's rage it gestured, and everything went black. ... ... Link gasped, light returning. He lowered his instinctively raised arm. Before him on the grassy plain stretched Clock Town, neither the painted walls or the tops of buildings doing anything to obscure the eponymous clock tower at its centre. Link had been here once before, 33 years ago... No, that wasn't right. He had been here 3 days ago. Right? As two realities seemed to merge in his mind, he emptied his stomach. --- He had hurried to the gates. The same people lined up before the same guard. Having hurried, he managed to get a few place forward, this time being a head of what he was sure was the same Romani milk supply wagon. "Next", the guard barked, as he ushered an old couple through the gates. "Papers and permit?" Link moved forwards, confused. "But... we did this days ago, goro. I am Link - you had me wait while you authenticated my papers. Do you really need to see them again, goro?" The guard glared, hand still oustreached waiting to take the papers Link had yet to search his pack for. "Bit bit early to be drinking don't you think? Do you know how many people have said they're named Link today? There have been 2 or 3 just in the last hour, and they at least tried to look the part - there's not a speck of green on you. I really don't need the jokes. What's your real name?" "But... my name is Link. And what about the explosion, the fires? I don't understand, goro." The guard narrowed his eyes. "Just wait here for a moment will you?" He motioned one of the other guards standing nearby to come over, muttering quickly. The second guard moved inside, returning a few minutes later with a handful of other soldiers. "You have no problem with following us will you? Excellent." The second guard gestured to the others, who fell in around Link as they once again escorted him into the guardhouse. For my own purposes, I chose to believe that confirmed good does equal confirmed right, and as such will not be accepting any opinions that differ from my own I hope to put much more time into the game soon, but in the mean time my main plan is to see if I can case up every elim that would be willing to let three villager get cleared in the first loop 1
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) I forgot to say this, but do we want to try an exe a confirmed villager 2 more times to get the scan? I know this would limit our chances of winning the loop, so it’s a matter of how confident we are, now that is 4 Elims, out of 13, and we need to exe 2. Finally, I’m alright with being exed this round, I’m going to submit a request for a mask in case yall decide not to. But the suspicion is fair, I have been acting a bit weird(flipless games are weird in general, and the ones I play usually are fast, so we get results quicker) so go ahead, I no longer have a mask to use Edit: if yall are going to exe me, please make sure to not change it right before rollover so I can submit an action to drop a fish on Doc without any consequences Edited February 28 by Mistfallen Soldier
Haelbarde he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 10 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I forgot to say this, but do we want to try an exe a confirmed villager 2 more times to get the scan? Hitting two elims with executions is already going to be hard enough. I don't think we would want to waste them on confirmed villagers seeing as the elims were so nice to provide them for us. If we can hit two elims today, then we can *probably* just keep executing the same set of players and win, but more likely than not we don't manage 2 elims this turn. If we don't, we have to do so the last two loops just to get to Day 4, at which point we have to manage to find another in the remaining pool alive.
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Just now, Haelbarde said: Hitting two elims with executions is already going to be hard enough. I don't think we would want to waste them on confirmed villagers seeing as the elims were so nice to provide them for us. If we can hit two elims today, then we can *probably* just keep executing the same set of players and win, but more likely than not we don't manage 2 elims this turn. If we don't, we have to do so the last two loops just to get to Day 4, at which point we have to manage to find another in the remaining pool alive. I’ve actually considered this, the problem is that we don’t know whether the Elims NKed themself or we voted the Elims out for the two Elims. So the Elims would have to NK the same people as well, and that’s probably not going to happen But you are right, getting two will be hard, even without exe-ing a confirmed Villager, I just wanted to put it out there that this was an option if we needed it.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 You know, the best part about this time loop thing is that Arenta gets to charge everyone rent for the same days over and over again! (unfortunately for her, she hasn't yet learned that rupees can be found all over the place in pots) 5 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I forgot to say this, but do we want to try an exe a confirmed villager 2 more times to get the scan? Absolutely not. We get 3 exes to hit 2 elims, and we cannot afford to waste them. I think the best place to start is with the D3a exe, and whether or not we think Hael is a villager. I don't have much of a read on him, so it would be good to hear from @Divergent, @Stick., and @Hoid Slayer, who all voted Hael D3a. I'm also still of the persuasion that the majority (3-4) of the elims are active, otherwise they wouldn't have attempted the L1 win. Actually, I'm going to vote on Divergent for now. His interaction with me about whether I was assuming Wahr was village is bugging me. I'll have to go back and reread, but it makes me think he was overly confident in Wahr's alignment. I'm also still interested in looking at the group that voted for Wahr D2a. Interestingly, all of those folks voted D3a as well. Interestingly, both people that voted Mistfallen D2a are confirmed village, and both by execution rather than by NK. 1
Divergent He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Oof I was really hoping that we would have won the loop, but I guess at least we have confirmed villagers now and hopefully, they'll remain active to provide input 1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Okay, so, I know people are wondering my reasoning for Doc being villager. First off, we have to assume I’m village here, if you don’t, which Ashbringer and Wonko believe, as well as probably some others(at least for now) I’ll address that at the end. By the time PMs were open, Doc would have had 15 rupees(-5 for the postman’s hat) he had the rupees to send PMs to 5 people(or less if he wanted to send more words to other people) anyways. To my knowledge, both Archer and Wonko received a PM. Out of all those people D1A-D2A, Archer, Wonko and I were the most active. Doc sent a PM to the other most active people, but not me. As an Elim, Doc can and will absolutely manipulate using PMs, and he sent them to the other two, and he could’ve sent it to me as well, but he didn’t. An E!Doc would know I’m village and would’ve PMed me as well(this is where me being Village is essential). An E!Doc would’ve PMed me if he knew I was Village. Yet because he didn’t know that, he didn’t. That’s how I know he’s Village For those about to say that we’re both Elim and that I didn’t get a PM because we would just talk in the Elim Doc, why would I bring this up then? As an Elim, there is no reason to solidly push another Elim as Village in case they get discovered as Elim and then I get discovered because of it. As for if I’m simply lying about not getting a PM from Doc, we can literally ask him. @Doc12 Edit: just an fyi, I got a PM from both Doc and Burnt last night, here I am specifically referring to that first night PMs were available where I didn’t get any PMs from Doc I was one of the five that Doc sent a PM too. I haven't replied to it though. Idk, I'm struggling to find a reason for me to send out a PM when I could just share the information I have at the start of the next loop and not deal with the possibility that the information I share gets compromised 55 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: You know, the best part about this time loop thing is that Arenta gets to charge everyone rent for the same days over and over again! (unfortunately for her, she hasn't yet learned that rupees can be found all over the place in pots) Absolutely not. We get 3 exes to hit 2 elims, and we cannot afford to waste them. I think the best place to start is with the D3a exe, and whether or not we think Hael is a villager. I don't have much of a read on him, so it would be good to hear from @Divergent, @Stick., and @Hoid Slayer, who all voted Hael D3a. I'm also still of the persuasion that the majority (3-4) of the elims are active, otherwise they wouldn't have attempted the L1 win. Actually, I'm going to vote on Divergent for now. His interaction with me about whether I was assuming Wahr was village is bugging me. I'll have to go back and reread, but it makes me think he was overly confident in Wahr's alignment. I'm also still interested in looking at the group that voted for Wahr D2a. Interestingly, all of those folks voted D3a as well. Interestingly, both people that voted Mistfallen D2a are confirmed village, and both by execution rather than by NK. I'm still thinking that Hael is an elim. Hael is clearly not that inactive, especially that he's been posting more since D3A and yet, he still hasn't delivered on giving any reads at all and continues to just give mech talk, which is something more typical of an elim to do to look like they're helping the cause No? I was working with the idea that either Wahr or Ashbringer were elims, and I've stated why I thought that was the case. I was trying to look at things from your perspective and you mentioned "I'm currently operating on the assumption that the elims are trying to win the loop", so that has to come with the assumption that Wahr is village since if you think he's isn't, then in that world you're projecting, the elims have already lost the loop. You then later on respond that you don't have a strong take on Wahr's alignment and that he hadn't done anything that looked village from your perspective. And that you're not factoring that into any of your reads. To me, I find that problematic because it comes across that your solving is inauthentic and contradictory. To your favor though, you did go after the people who voted for Wahr, which makes sense from the world you're working with, but it did leave me feeling confused where you actually stand. 3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I can’t be on for very long, but here’s some quick information. 1. I had the mask of scents. I targeted Burnt N2, and there was nothing. I targeted Stick N3, and nothing there. That said, there was no NK, so idk if there was anything to follow. 2. I can prove Doc is village based on that I’m village. I’ll go into specifics later Can you explain more what made you choose these targets (if said information would be more helpful to us)?
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Divergent said: Can you explain more what made you choose these targets (if said information would be more helpful to us)? Yeah, for Burnt it was that I submitted it because I was slightly suspicious of her, and then never changed it. For stick it was because I was assuming Coder, Stick, Ash, and Wahr were Elim and I wanted to get the NK. Coder I thought was Elim due to being active and then dropping off (though something seems to have come up) as for Stick it’s mostly been vibes and how she talked about Ash and Wahr, but now that they’re confirmed Villager, I’ll have to reassess.
Divergent He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Yeah, for Burnt it was that I submitted it because I was slightly suspicious of her, and then never changed it. For stick it was because I was assuming Coder, Stick, Ash, and Wahr were Elim and I wanted to get the NK. Coder I thought was Elim due to being active and then dropping off (though something seems to have come up) as for Stick it’s mostly been vibes and how she talked about Ash and Wahr, but now that they’re confirmed Villager, I’ll have to reassess. I see, how did Stick talk about them? Also, what made you trust to work with Archer on this plan in the first place?
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Okay, so, I know people are wondering my reasoning for Doc being villager. First off, we have to assume I’m village here, if you don’t, which Ashbringer and Wonko believe, as well as probably some others(at least for now) I’ll address that at the end. By the time PMs were open, Doc would have had 15 rupees(-5 for the postman’s hat) he had the rupees to send PMs to 5 people(or less if he wanted to send more words to other people) anyways. To my knowledge, both Archer and Wonko received a PM. Out of all those people D1A-D2A, Archer, Wonko and I were the most active. Doc sent a PM to the other most active people, but not me. As an Elim, Doc can and will absolutely manipulate using PMs, and he sent them to the other two, and he could’ve sent it to me as well, but he didn’t. An E!Doc would know I’m village and would’ve PMed me as well(this is where me being Village is essential). An E!Doc would’ve PMed me if he knew I was Village. Yet because he didn’t know that, he didn’t. That’s how I know he’s Village For those about to say that we’re both Elim and that I didn’t get a PM because we would just talk in the Elim Doc, why would I bring this up then? As an Elim, there is no reason to solidly push another Elim as Village in case they get discovered as Elim and then I get discovered because of it. As for if I’m simply lying about not getting a PM from Doc, we can literally ask him. @Doc12 Edit: just an fyi, I got a PM from both Doc and Burnt last night, here I am specifically referring to that first night PMs were available where I didn’t get any PMs from Doc Doc could have also just... not sent a PM out to you, no? Just because he sent one to two other active players doesn't mean he has to send one to you, he could have also just decided to save some rupees for emergency events or drawn names from a hat or any other reason. Especially since E!Doc or any Elim has incentives to mislead how many rupees they actually have, and/or E!Doc may claim PMs sent to fellow Elims and wouldn't want to get caught sending more PMs than he could afford. As to why would you bring it up - because it's not a bad argument, as asserting your own villageness is one of the few ways to put your own view on a generally held reads set. It's just not something only villagers can do. 20 minutes ago, Divergent said: I guess at least we have confirmed villagers now and hopefully, they'll remain active to provide input I'm... a bit busy tomorrow, but hopefully! 1
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) Wahi awoke, drenched in sweat, the last thing he remembered was being pushed from a boat into the Water and drowned, why was he alive again? It didnt make sense. Wahi decided to get up, and look if he could find something to eat and find out what happened. If his weird new memories where anything to go by he should probably get something he could defend himself with as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 hour ago, The Unknown Medallion said: For my own purposes, I chose to believe that confirmed good does equal confirmed right, and as such will not be accepting any opinions that differ from my own I agree with that opinion, although it could create a paradox if multiple of us (confirmed good players and therefore confirmed right players) have differing opinions which contradict oneanother So I looked throught the voting results of last loop Spoiler TUM voted Mistfallen Day 2A and noone Day 3A Araris voted me Day 2A and coco Day 3A Ashbringer hasnt voted loop 1 Coco voted me Day 2A and TUM Day 3A TJ voted me Day 2A and Divergent Day3A Stick voted Coder Day 2A and Hael Day 3A Hael hasnt voted yet Wonko voted Archer Day 2A and Doc Day 3A Doc voted Hoid Day 2A and TJ Day 3A Burnt and Coder havent voted yet Mistfallen voted me Day 2A and TUM Day 3A Divergent voted me Day 2A and Hael Day 3A Archer voted Hoid Day 2A and TUM Day 3A Hoid voted Archer Day 2A and Hael Day 3A I know I am leaving out all Votes that were placed during the Day and changed, but I feel like the last Vote is the one that is actually important here 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: Interestingly, both people that voted Mistfallen D2a are confirmed village, and both by execution rather than by NK. 3 hours ago, Wonko the Sane said: Okay, so that's definitely exciting news. I'm still reviewing the backlog of material, and I need to get to sleep, but in the interest of starting discussion, I'll put a vote on Mistfallen, who's been consistently active, yet keeps pinging me as behaving oddly. And, of course, we now know that he was one of two players to vote on BOTH misexes. So Coco and Mistfallen are the two players that voted on two confirmed villagers, I am wary of both of them for obvoius reasons but am more wary of Mistfallen, for the reasons Araris has already laid out, he was voted on by two villagers and was part of the execution of both Edited February 28 by Wahrheitswächter
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, Divergent said: I see, how did Stick talk about them? Also, what made you trust to work with Archer on this plan in the first place? I never consult archer about who, I never asked Doc for who to either. If you’re asking about why I chose to trust him. Part of it was that he volunteered for the exe, Wonko did the same, but felt the rest of Wonko’s posts pointed towards Elim, otherwise I probably would’ve trusted him too. As for specifics in how Stick talked about Wahr and Ash. Day 3A she was talking about Wahr and Ash being Elim or village and seemed really confident in her reads of why the Elims would’ve NKed Ash, even looking back, it seems she’s guessed their reasoning, which seems like TMI to me
Divergent He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I never consult archer about who, I never asked Doc for who to either. If you’re asking about why I chose to trust him. Part of it was that he volunteered for the exe, Wonko did the same, but felt the rest of Wonko’s posts pointed towards Elim, otherwise I probably would’ve trusted him too. As for specifics in how Stick talked about Wahr and Ash. Day 3A she was talking about Wahr and Ash being Elim or village and seemed really confident in her reads of why the Elims would’ve NKed Ash, even looking back, it seems she’s guessed their reasoning, which seems like TMI to me You didn't consult with Archer? Actually, when you said "Burnt to None", it became obvious to me that you had the Mask of Scents and when I looked back at the previous day, with your interaction with Archer, I thought you had consulted with him on the target based on the four people that you suspected to be elim. You both agreed to put a pin on 3 and the third one on your list was Burnt. Something I thought about btw was, why does volunteering for the exe make someone more villagery? I feel like I'm slightly concerned about this because from what I remember so many have stated at some point that they're okay with being exe'd (from the top of my head, Archer, Wonko, Doc, Coco, Coder, you, TUM), that it feels like an easy offhand comment for an elim to make to look "villagery". Anyways, not really the point, but I guess at the moment, I'd just consider it as NAI. I see, I didn't find it suspicious, but I can see why, ty!
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Doc could have also just... not sent a PM out to you, no? Just because he sent one to two other active players doesn't mean he has to send one to you, he could have also just decided to save some rupees for emergency events or drawn names from a hat or any other reason. Especially since E!Doc or any Elim has incentives to mislead how many rupees they actually have, and/or E!Doc may claim PMs sent to fellow Elims and wouldn't want to get caught sending more PMs than he could afford. As to why would you bring it up - because it's not a bad argument, as asserting your own villageness is one of the few ways to put your own view on a generally held reads set. It's just not something only villagers can do. I'm... a bit busy tomorrow, but hopefully! You are right, That could be the case, but based on the way Doc plays, plus the fact that he PMed the other active players makes me believe otherwise, we can ask him his reasons for not doing it, I’ve already Pinged him, so we’ll have to wait on that. You are right, this does sort of make a claim that Im village, but that’s not anything special, everyone regardless of alignment does that. And I feel like I was the one who started the Doc is village thing, maybe Archer started it before me, so I wouldn’t say it’s a general view. 24 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: Wahi awoke, drenched in sweat, the last thing he remembered was being pushed from a boat into the Water and drowned, why was he alive again? It didnt make sense. Wahi decided to get up, and look if he could find something to eat and find out what happened. If his weird new memories where anything to go by he should probably get something he could defend himself with as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with that opinion, although it could create a paradox if multiple of us (confirmed good players and therefore confirmed right players) have differing opinions which contradict oneanother So I looked throught the voting results of last loop Reveal hidden contents TUM voted Mistfallen Day 2A and noone Day 3A Araris voted me Day 2A and coco Day 3A Ashbringer hasnt voted loop 1 Coco voted me Day 2A and TUM Day 3A TJ voted me Day 2A and Divergent Day3A Stick voted Coder Day 2A and Hael Day 3A Hael hasnt voted yet Wonko voted Archer Day 2A and Doc Day 3A Doc voted Hoid Day 2A and TJ Day 3A Burnt and Coder havent voted yet Mistfallen voted me Day 2A and TUM Day 3A Divergent voted me Day 2A and Hael Day 3A Archer voted Hoid Day 2A and TUM Day 3A Hoid voted Archer Day 2A and Hael Day 3A I know I am leaving out all Votes that were placed during the Day and changed, but I feel like the last Vote is the one that is actually important here So Coco and Mistfallen are the two players that voted on two confirmed villagers, I am wary of both of them for obvoius reasons but am more wary of Mistfallen, for the reasons Araris has already laid out, he was voted on by two villagers and was part of the execution of both Do you mean Wonko? Araris Voted Dive. Also, I would like to say that the second mis-exe was decided by chance. That has nothing to say about my alignment. Also, just because you are confirmed village now does not mean you were confirmed village then. I’m not sure about my read on Coco, but you also are forgetting that three other people thought you were Elim too, and another on TUM. I feel like you’re going a bit too much on Hindsight right now. Edit: @Divergentfor that, that was before Archer knew what mask I had, that was purely about reads. She agreed with two of them, and could be convinced on Burnt, but didn’t want to. and as for why volunteering makes one villager, it’s because D2A onwards we knew they were trying to win the loop, Elims wouldn’t volunteer to be exed if they were trying to win the loop Edited February 28 by Mistfallen Soldier
Divergent He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 10 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: You are right, That could be the case, but based on the way Doc plays, plus the fact that he PMed the other active players makes me believe otherwise, we can ask him his reasons for not doing it, I’ve already Pinged him, so we’ll have to wait on that. You are right, this does sort of make a claim that Im village, but that’s not anything special, everyone regardless of alignment does that. And I feel like I was the one who started the Doc is village thing, maybe Archer started it before me, so I wouldn’t say it’s a general view. Do you mean Wonko? Araris Voted Dive. Also, I would like to say that the second mis-exe was decided by chance. That has nothing to say about my alignment. Also, just because you are confirmed village now does not mean you were confirmed village then. I’m not sure about my read on Coco, but you also are forgetting that three other people thought you were Elim too, and another on TUM. I feel like you’re going a bit too much on Hindsight right now. Edit: @Divergentfor that, that was before Archer knew what mask I had, that was purely about reads. She agreed with two of them, and could be convinced on Burnt, but didn’t want to. and as for why volunteering makes one villager, it’s because D2A onwards we knew they were trying to win the loop, Elims wouldn’t volunteer to be exed if they were trying to win the loop Just wanted to note, ties are decided by lowest rupees (I think it also counts for rupees already spent?) and TUM simply had fewer posts than Hael, so that's how he ended up going over I see, I thought that was your plan. Hmm, fair point, I guess there could be some reverse psychology there, but noted
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 18 minutes ago, Divergent said: Just wanted to note, ties are decided by lowest rupees (I think it also counts for rupees already spent?) and TUM simply had fewer posts than Hael, so that's how he ended up going over I see, I thought that was your plan. Hmm, fair point, I guess there could be some reverse psychology there, but noted My understanding was that it’d be weighted, but still random, I know this has been clarified so I will go and check, but like, I feel a viable strategy in this game would be to only post occasionally, and try to be “inactive”. And so automatically seems a bit extreme to me, but I’ll have to check what the ruling was. As for reverse psychology, that’s possible, but if so, we have a very risky Elim team to deal with, and so that in itself would tell us something
Archer he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 I am once again offering baked goods to everyone who claims masks and actions. I had none and just did some PMing. The first time I spoke in tongues to Mistborn was nonsense. He said in thread I will PM you and I thought PMs were delivered by the GM immediately rather than at rollover, but I didn't get one, so I thought it was some bluff we were doing. Can confirm he told me about the scan plan targeting Burnt. Agreed on exing suspects being the priority.
Divergent He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: My understanding was that it’d be weighted, but still random, I know this has been clarified so I will go and check, but like, I feel a viable strategy in this game would be to only post occasionally, and try to be “inactive”. And so automatically seems a bit extreme to me, but I’ll have to check what the ruling was. As for reverse psychology, that’s possible, but if so, we have a very risky Elim team to deal with, and so that in itself would tell us something Yeah, it's lowest rupees and I think it was Archer that asked Aman about rupee earning, and that there is a certain level of effort required for a post to count for 1 rupee earned, but that the bar's not that high either. And yeah, even in non-flipless games, that's a common strategy either intentionally or unintentionally. Some elims would post less because posting less means there's fewer things to pick apart 41 minutes ago, Archer said: I am once again offering baked goods to everyone who claims masks and actions. I had none and just did some PMing. The first time I spoke in tongues to Mistborn was nonsense. He said in thread I will PM you and I thought PMs were delivered by the GM immediately rather than at rollover, but I didn't get one, so I thought it was some bluff we were doing. Can confirm he told me about the scan plan targeting Burnt. Agreed on exing suspects being the priority. Oh, I thought you had the dead doc mask and that was why Mistfallen told you in D2, "you shouldn't have said that". Guess I was mistaken I had Don Gero and didn't know Postman would trigger its effect, so I had it equipped until I got notified when D2A ended that Doc had targeted me. I unequipped it for D3A. Unfortunately, I never got visited on any night
Archer he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Divergent said: had Don Gero and didn't know Postman would trigger its effect, so I had it equipped until I got notified when D2A ended that Doc had targeted me. I unequipped it for D3A. Unfortunately, I never got visited on any night Why would you unequip it? It works twice and catches all those who visit you, so it would have caught the NK on you. Ash, Wahr, TUM, did you get any signal from your man on the outside? We can infer the elims cared about the outcome of the L1D3 exe, and the D2 exe to a moderate degree. In that light, Hael looks pretty clear for allowing a tie.
Divergent He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 13 minutes ago, Archer said: Why would you unequip it? It works twice and catches all those who visit you, so it would have caught the NK on you. Ash, Wahr, TUM, did you get any signal from your man on the outside? We can infer the elims cared about the outcome of the L1D3 exe, and the D2 exe to a moderate degree. In that light, Hael looks pretty clear for allowing a tie. Only for D3A. I re-equipped it for N3A. Doc's visit on D2A consumed one of the two uses, so I needed to unequip it on D3A in case someone sent me a message. And yea, it was my plan to try and get night killed, but that didn't end up happening Is he really clear though? It can be reasonable to assume the elims know that ties are decided by lowest rupees (and it was brought up in D2A) and the elims could compare how much potential rupees Hael had compared to TUM, and see that there's no need to worry since it'd likely require an additional vote for e!Hael to go over. Though, I guess it is still quite risky, especially that the previous day had a bunch of movement near the end, so if Hael is elim, it'd make more sense to add a vote or two on TUM to ensure it does go through
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 @Archer I haven't noticed the codeword in thread, and after using the search function it didnt come up either, so I would say that it was a) not in use or b) the Person didnt want to reveal that he had it. Though I guess it is possible that the person misspelled the word and it therefore wasnt picked up by the Search function and I simply missed it. @Ashbringer @The Unknown Medallion did you notice something that I missed?
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: For those about to say that we’re both Elim and that I didn’t get a PM because we would just talk in the Elim Doc, why would I bring this up then? As an Elim, there is no reason to solidly push another Elim as Village in case they get discovered as Elim and then I get discovered because of it. Sorry, did you just claim there's no reason for an Elim to try and defend another Elim? Is that really the stance you're taking here? 9 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I forgot to say this, but do we want to try an exe a confirmed villager 2 more times to get the scan? Absolutely not. Frankly the idea that you would float this at this stage is one of the most suspicious things you've said so far. And in particular, I really don't like how shy you are about it, backing off as soon as someone voices even the slightest concern. 9 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’ve actually considered this, the problem is that we don’t know whether the Elims NKed themself or we voted the Elims out for the two Elims. So the Elims would have to NK the same people as well, and that’s probably not going to happen But you are right, getting two will be hard, even without exe-ing a confirmed Villager, I just wanted to put it out there that this was an option if we needed it. Frankly, I'd absolutely love if the elims would NK themselves this Loop. Sure, it potentially wins them the next loop, but after that it puts them in an INCREDIBLY bad postion. So it seems like we don't have a claim from the Bremen Mask. I'd like to encourage whoever had it to share their results. If we don't get a claim, I think we should assume it was in elim hands. Zymni flew faster than she'd ever moved. The closer she got, the more certain she was that something terrible was wrong. She could feel it like the light of the Sols. Something had happened that day at the Deku Palace, and the refugees were in danger. Thistle was in danger. Suddenly, something changed. A song, pure and clear, rang out through the air, and Zymni was wracked by overwhelming pain. She plummeted to the forest floor, unable to remain aloft. Red light burst from cracks around her body, and she screamed in anguish. A growling, sadistic laugh shook the trees around her, a laugh she'd heard once before -- HIS laugh. Her body contorted, stretched, snapped, grew. A final scream echoed forth as she finally lost consciousness. -- The Beast rises from the forest floor, tendrils writhing, stone face implacable. It crawls forward on all fours, tentative. Where is its master? What are its orders? It does not know. It begins lumbering toward -- A flash. A ringing. Colors swirl and the world disintegrates into motes of light. Time. Time is gone. -- Zymni came awake with a scream of terror. She whirled frantically around, teeth bared, ready to fight... Thistle's empty house? What in the Sols? Cautiously, she crept to the window. It was daytime, and... the Carnival was beginning? The Song of Time. Someone had played the Song of Time. It was REAL! Zymni's eyes shone. There was... there really *was* a way home. So, naturally the thing to do was to wake Thistle. She flew over and began pounding on the Florist's door. Edited February 28 by Wonko the Sane 1
Archer he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Wahrheitswächter said: @Archer I haven't noticed the codeword in thread, and after using the search function it didnt come up either, so I would say that it was a) not in use or b) the Person didnt want to reveal that he had it. Though I guess it is possible that the person misspelled the word and it therefore wasnt picked up by the Search function and I simply missed it. @Ashbringer @The Unknown Medallion did you notice something that I missed? Well that's concerning. The only justification I can come up with is wanting to avoid revealing they're 20 rupees poorer, but that's a weak justification for uncooperative behaviour. Now that we know they wanted to win the cycle, and because I regularly threatened code shenanigans of dubious legality, we can assume it was a priority for them to have doc access. If the Bunny wearer claims, I'll give them a Gourmet Meat and Rice Bowl.
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 27 minutes ago, Archer said: Well that's concerning. The only justification I can come up with is wanting to avoid revealing they're 20 rupees poorer, but that's a weak justification for uncooperative behaviour. Now that we know they wanted to win the cycle, and because I regularly threatened code shenanigans of dubious legality, we can assume it was a priority for them to have doc access. Do we know for a fact all four red masks were taken? How many players went into N1A with 20 coins? 28 minutes ago, Archer said: If the Bunny wearer claims, I'll give them a Gourmet Meat and Rice Bowl. Why? That's the one mask that gives us relatively little information now, but gives the elims a prime target to reduce the Rupees available to the Village. Why not offer your fine meal to the Bremen mask user?
Myst He/Him Posted February 28 Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Wonko the Sane said: Sorry, did you just claim there's no reason for an Elim to try and defend another Elim? Is that really the stance you're taking here? Absolutely not. Frankly the idea that you would float this at this stage is one of the most suspicious things you've said so far. And in particular, I really don't like how shy you are about it, backing off as soon as someone voices even the slightest concern. Frankly, I'd absolutely love if the elims would NK themselves this Loop. Sure, it potentially wins them the next loop, but after that it puts them in an INCREDIBLY bad postion. So it seems like we don't have a claim from the Bremen Mask. I'd like to encourage whoever had it to share their results. If we don't get a claim, I think we should assume it was in elim hands. I feel like you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not sure if it’s purposeful. There are good reasons to back up your teammates as an Elim. I’m saying that a phrase such as “I can prove Doc is village” puts me immediately on the chopping block if I’m wrong (which I don’t think I am) I am not saying there is no reason to defend your teammates as Elim, I’m saying there’s no reason for me give myself no wiggle room to back off if Doc was discovered as Elim. I actually don’t think so, otherwise I would have been blocked on my first scan, and I wasn’t.
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