Who the quotes from the Knights of Wind and Truth belong to?

[Kesamijr]

Doing my reread of Way of Kings, found some potential foreshadowing in favor of Syl:

”Soon you’ll hardly be a spren at all. You’ll be a little translucent philosopher. We’ll have to send you off to a monastery to spend your time in deep, important thoughts.” - Kaladin, to Syl, page 591, WoK.

i keep vacillating cuz I also like Shallan more and more, but if this is the foreshadowing of Syl doing WaT epigraphs that’s actually kind of fire, and Brandon did say he’s got foreshadowing in book one for stuff throughout the 10.

[teknopathetic he/him]

14 minutes ago, Kesamijr said:

Doing my reread of Way of Kings, found some potential foreshadowing in favor of Syl:

”Soon you’ll hardly be a spren at all. You’ll be a little translucent philosopher. We’ll have to send you off to a monastery to spend your time in deep, important thoughts.” - Kaladin, to Syl, page 591, WoK.

i keep vacillating cuz I also like Shallan more and more, but if this is the foreshadowing of Syl doing WaT epigraphs that’s actually kind of fire, and Brandon did say he’s got foreshadowing in book one for stuff throughout the 10.

Hmmmm. I wonder if the author is an enlightened Syl. She would have been there but wouldn’t remember what occurred. 

Edited September 7, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Kesamijr]

6 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

Hmmmm. I wonder if the author is an enlightened Syl. She would have been there but wouldn’t remember what occurred. 

Oh yeah true I guess so far it’s been written as if the author wasn’t there and written as if the author’s human, so maybe Sylauthor was already dead in the water, but did notice this!

[Lord Spirit he/him]

My main issue with it being Syl is that the author referred to “Kaladin Stormblessed”, not just Kaladin. Yes she is learning to write, but KoWaT doesn’t match her style is talking. She’s too whimsical to write a history, even if she is more serious in recent books. 

[Kesamijr]

1 minute ago, Lord Spirit said:

My main issue with it being Syl is that the author referred to “Kaladin Stormblessed”, not just Kaladin. Yes she is learning to write, but KoWaT doesn’t match her style is talking. She’s too whimsical to write a history, even if she is more serious in recent books. 

Yeah Syl’s not high on my list of favorite authors either.:/ but I did like reading what felt like foreshadowing to me!

[teknopathetic he/him]

I think it would be an interesting twist for Syl to undertake enlightenment. She doesn’t feel like she is fitting in with being an honour spren. Enlightened-Syl might have recently experienced a new childhood and wants to reconnect with the story of Non-Enlightened-Syl and Kal. 

We dont really know what enlightenment grants a spren or why sprren have chosen it. But certainly there must be a good reason. 

Edited September 7, 2024 by teknopathetic

[the_archduke]

Syl was a longshot, but is definitively ruled out now.

 

"I was not with them. I did not know of their quest.  —From Knights of Wind and Truth, page 10"

 

That also rules out Shallan and Dalinar who knew of the quest.

Edited September 9, 2024 by the_archduke

[BinarySecond]

It's almost like Brandon knew exactly how these threads would go, every week we think we get closer and the next it's completely ruled out.

 

Very exciting.

[+Bzhydack he/him]

50 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

"I was not with them. I did not know of their quest.  —From Knights of Wind and Truth, page 10"

This basicly ruled out ALL our suspects, because all of them knew about Kal's quest.

[+robardin he/him]

1 hour ago, Bzhydack said:

This basicly ruled out ALL our suspects, because all of them knew about Kal's quest.

Ooh, yeah, I suppose it does rule out Jasnah too then!

I guess it’s back to “Gaz became a philosophical historian” then. LOL

Or some ardent we’ve seen before (one of Jasnah’s correspondences who helped decipher the Eila Stele, perhaps? Or Rushu?)

Edited September 9, 2024 by robardin

[who_slew_aicirtap she/they]

I feel like it's Szeth's sister.

In the epigraphs, it didn't mention him as Szeth-son-Neturo or Szeth-son-son-Vallano, just Szeth. I feel like that implies either familiarity with him, or maybe just an ignorance of Shin culture or lack of respect towards Szeth, but I'm leaning towards the first idea.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

I'd like to put out Notum. A spren seems likely to "know the wind" and be a historian and philosopher. He didn't know about their quest. It's either some spren or an unknown character.

[+Bzhydack he/him]

@robardin Im sad, because it is probably not His Majesty Prime Aquasix Yanagawn the First, because he will probably know about Kal and Szeth mission, because they literaly write their visit in Azir Oathgate Logs, and he will probably be present on the meeting.

14 minutes ago, Lord Spirit said:

I'd like to put out Notum. A spren seems likely to "know the wind" and be a historian and philosopher. He didn't know about their quest. It's either some spren or an unknown character.

This actually very good guess. "His" part of Shadesmar is also mor or less Tukar or Azimir, so directions will match.

Edited September 9, 2024 by Bzhydack

[king of nowhere]

I must point out that shallan can't be ruled out yet.

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“We’re going to Shinovar with Szeth to scout out what’s happening there, then hunt down Ishar the Herald.”

does shallan know that kaladin will try to heal ishar? that szeth will try to bring justice to the stone shamans? kaladin's hurried explanation was vague enough that there's enough of an argument that she didn't knew their quest

[teknopathetic he/him]

Im back at Venli or Venli’s mother. 

Edited September 9, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Kesamijr]

7 hours ago, Bzhydack said:

This basicly ruled out ALL our suspects, because all of them knew about Kal's quest.

This is real as hell. Still think Shallan could be in there cuz she kind of knows, but not really? And I guess Sigzil by the same measure as well? Jasnah is the queen so probably knows, but yeah this boosts the Veristiralians, a Shin character, Nohadon, A Fused (Leshwi?), Venli, and Lift as guesses to me?

Did we mention Renarin or Rlain as well? Feel in the Sig/Shallan, “what’s their quest” Group? Same with maybe Hesina/Lirin?

Does feel crazy that immediately after I post about the Syl forwshadowing we get the “I did not know of their quest” line thoughlove being dragged around theorizing though tbh, I’m having a great time, great chapters!!

[FollowYourMuse she/her]

No one else is standing out, I am starting to think maybe it is one of the Sleepless.

[Acolyte of Radiance]

Could it be that girl Kaladin dated? It’s probably szeths sister or notum but still.

[morcey2]

On 9/9/2024 at 5:34 PM, Kesamijr said:

... but yeah this boosts the Veristiralians, a Shin character, Nohadon, A Fused (Leshwi?), Venli, and Lift as guesses to me?

I'm now officially team Nohadon.  Why?  Makes as much sense as anything else.  Is he still alive?  Maybe.

 

Spoiler

Questioner

So Nohadon's still alive, right?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO! Why would you say that Nohadon is still alive?

Questioner

I know he's still alive.

Brandon Sanderson

Why would you say he's still alive?

Questioner

It's the perfect trick, that you're gonna bring back Nohadon. It's my feeling about things.

Words of Radiance Philadelphia signing (March 21, 2014)

I think there are other WOB where he's ambiguous about the fate of Nohadon.

Nohadon is a worldhopper and has been involved with things behind the scenes but actively working on behalf of Roshar.  What evidence do I have of this?  Nothing.  But that's why he has lived so long. No evidence, just a hypothesis. 

[Erklitt]

On 9/9/2024 at 7:45 PM, who_slew_aicirtap said:

In the epigraphs, it didn't mention him as Szeth-son-Neturo or Szeth-son-son-Vallano, just Szeth.

That's a very good argument. The formal 'Kaladin Stormblessed' as opposed to the informal '(just) Szeth' is striking. A historian with little or no familiarity with either would have given both their full names. And who do we know who is familiar with Szeth but not with Kaladin?

I reread the epigraphs. I don't think there's anything in them to clearly contradict this.

Szeth's whole familiy had been 'given to the honorblades', but we don't know what that meant for a Shin woman. Even if she trained with them just like Szeth did, that wouldn't prevent her from becoming a philosopher or historian. Szeth seems well educated, and using the honorblades brings you in touch with history. 

The one quote that makes me wonder is:

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Though, now that the Wind and Heralds have vanished, I have only two sources who can speak of these events. (Ep ch 6)

She probably still lives in Shinovar. Even if she met Szeth and Kaladin only after the cleansing*, I would expect there to be more living witnesses. If the cleansing wasn't a genocide, that is. Or was there really nobody else present at the cleansing but the guilty parties and the two avengers [Edit: and Wind and Herald(s), all gone]? Not quite impossible I guess.

So, I like this idea.

 

* which would fit with

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I was not with them. I did not know of their quest. (Ep ch 12)

 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Erklitt

[Jarford he/him]

I had a theory that I think is crazy enough to possibly be real.

Vasher/Zahel is the one writing it

the writing reminds me a lot of the way he talks when he's explaining deep stuff to Kal and Vivenna,

we know he's a scholar.

as for hearing the Wind as a child, do we know how old he was when he came to Roshar and got inspired to make Nightblood, it's possible he was a child and ended up getting saved by a shard bearer and that's what inspired him later to make our favorite murder sword.

Another possible idea is that his parents had been immigrants from this and he was raised completely onf Roshar before he eventually went to Nalthis and became Returned

[Dreamwa1ker she/her]

1 hour ago, Jarford said:

I had a theory that I think is crazy enough to possibly be real.

Vasher/Zahel is the one writing it

I have been mulling over this one as well ever since the philosopher and scholar but, it's just been hard to figure out how the hearing the wind as a child applies. Unless it's figurative and means as a very new Returned/when he was more naive

[Crustin]

13 hours ago, Dreamwa1ker said:

I have been mulling over this one as well ever since the philosopher and scholar but, it's just been hard to figure out how the hearing the wind as a child applies. Unless it's figurative and means as a very new Returned/when he was more naive

Oh rust! Maybe Endowment is the Wind! 

On 9/19/2024 at 6:55 PM, morcey2 said:

I'm now officially team Nohadon.  Why?  Makes as much sense as anything else.  Is he still alive?  Maybe.

 

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Questioner

So Nohadon's still alive, right?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO! Why would you say that Nohadon is still alive?

Questioner

I know he's still alive.

Brandon Sanderson

Why would you say he's still alive?

Questioner

It's the perfect trick, that you're gonna bring back Nohadon. It's my feeling about things.

Words of Radiance Philadelphia signing (March 21, 2014)

I think there are other WOB where he's ambiguous about the fate of Nohadon.

Nohadon is a worldhopper and has been involved with things behind the scenes but actively working on behalf of Roshar.  What evidence do I have of this?  Nothing.  But that's why he has lived so long. No evidence, just a hypothesis. 

Nohadon = Nazh?!

[duladen he/him]

2 hours ago, Crustin said:

Oh rust! Maybe Endowment is the Wind! 

Nohadon = Nazh?!

I think it’s confirmed that Nazh is from Threnody.

[FollowYourMuse she/her]

I need to go back and read some of her POV, but started wondering if the Author is Venli, the only thing that makes me think not is she is not a philosopher, but was a scientist. She is a major character, could be around later and would not have been aware of Szeth and Kaladins mission, and the "knowing the wind" as a child  fits.