Quick Fix Game 70: Infernal Affairs

[JNV]

Ok sorry I missed the first cycle I had an event like all day and I thought Id have time in the evening to get on and stuff but nope going out for dinner for the new year you know how it is anyway by the looks of things everythings on fire and the Octets destroyed themselves from the inside and now were in a situation where whoever moves first dies cause if we kill the last real evil the Insider can use the kill to kill the Contact and also we never actually find out when we vote the Insider and we risk hitting the Contact every time we try is that everything or did I miss more pieces of this wargame

Anyway placeholder vote for Aeoryi they dont feel right but like they never feel right Ill look over things more in the morning see you later bye bye

[Aeoryi she/her]

I went to MU and came back changed

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

this is just getting confusing. i have no idea who to vote for

[Aeoryi she/her]

Vote neiltheeel

[Kasimir he/him]

wtaf did i sleep through 

[Aeoryi she/her]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 

[Kasimir he/him]

Current placeholder on Sart.

I'm back to the tell where Sart's usually Evil when we both vibe.

My instinct is to just exe in <Drake, Stick> but I am hesitating on whether that's a constructive instinct. It might need more time to wargame. In theory, there's probably a slight possibility here someone has a line of play to kami no itte this. But it won't be me with CNY.

I am not sure how I feel about JNV and am considering if MR67 and CNY have destroyed my ability to read them.

Edited to add:

Can someone post I might wanna unvote Sart because I have reread again and he just made one post that seems crazy enough to me I'm reconsidering. 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

smh everyone

yeah you're feeling confusion

valid, as this game is confusing

what next tho

 

Sart is literally the only sane one here and yes that includes myself because if I were sane clearly I'd be trying to take advantage of y'all

[Kasimir he/him]

Edited to add 2:

I think the fact that there is no Insider claim beyond Drake and Alv (?) suggests that the Insider is either someone who hasn't been on yet, or, IMO, more plausibly believes that the Informant is still alive.

Just now, DrakeMarshall said:

smh everyone

yeah you're feeling confusion

valid, as this game is confusing

what next tho

 

Sart is literally the only sane one here and yes that includes myself because if I were sane clearly I'd be trying to take advantage of y'all

My problem is that Sart's biggest tell for me is that he's usually Evil when he seems sane. This included the LG we three played where my immediate read was that Sart was Evil and I mistakenly walked it back.

Of course, I'm not really looking for your input on this one, smhhhhhh corrupt murderpuppy

[Sart he/him]

6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add 2:

I think the fact that there is no Insider claim beyond Drake and Alv (?) suggests that the Insider is either someone who hasn't been on yet, or, IMO, more plausibly believes that the Informant is still alive.

My problem is that Sart's biggest tell for me is that he's usually Evil when he seems sane. This included the LG we three played where my immediate read was that Sart was Evil and I mistakenly walked it back.

Of course, I'm not really looking for your input on this one, smhhhhhh corrupt murderpuppy

I mean... I've kind of become convinced that our best strategy is to kill all Villagers. Barring the case where Aman was the Informant, that guarantees a Village win. It would require all of us to give our lives, but it makes the question of who the Contact and Insider are completely irrelevant.

[neil the beguiled]

if!aman ideally puts a vote on the other ppl in the doc in the case where theres a chance hes gone already id think. or could go for a yolo onto a nm guess (idr the name of that role LOL)

but if if!aman did that that means that he'd be overpowered by the actual elims in the doc (so 2 on if aman, 1 elsewhere) which is kind of weird to think?
if we assume that aman is real elim then what would the other elim in stick/drake be doing there? ideally they dont know whether aman is if or elim- but either way the better play is to kill outside the doc regardless?

im trying to wrap my head around this lol. i dont understand the motive at all for like. any of that lol

edit:

i was thinking originally that this game would be hellish to play as an elim but im also like. lol. what the hippity hoppity sockitty was that c1.

 

Edited February 11, 2024 by neil the beguiled

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Sart said:

I mean... I've kind of become convinced that our best strategy is to kill all Villagers. Barring the case where Aman was the Informant, that guarantees a Village win. It would require all of us to give our lives, but it makes the question of who the Contact and Insider are completely irrelevant.

I dislike the bit where this plan basically asks us to go for a cointoss because if we literally vote agnostic to the Insider and kill all Villagers, since the Insider flips Village, we're stuck with the eventual coint—

Jebiga then. You're right I think. TJ ruled that if the Informant and the last Elim kill each other, the Constable wins. Can anyone see a way this won't happen? Because Drake saying we had eight chances seems to imply he missed this aspect of the rules. It means if we go down to just Drake and Stick left, as long as Aman wasn't the Informant, we win.

But I'm still vibing with you and dislike this on principle >>

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

11 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

My problem is that Sart's biggest tell for me is that he's usually Evil when he seems sane. This included the LG we three played where my immediate read was that Sart was Evil and I mistakenly walked it back.

Of course, I'm not really looking for your input on this one, smhhhhhh corrupt murderpuppy

My problem is that people aren't acknowledging the facts

There is no possible incentive for the Informant to self-vote

I am not the Informant

However, voting for me is still a Bad Idea

These are the facts

I could try to spew smoke and try to erase them but I'm pretty sure sooner or later somebody will get their head on straight all the way and realize them, so I've streamlined the process a little

[neil the beguiled]

yeah idk whats goijng on at all this is why i prefer scumhunting the normal way.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

8 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

It means if we go down to just Drake and Stick left, as long as Aman wasn't the Informant, we win.

that'd be a neat trick to pull off with an odd number of players and no voting minimum

I'm sure you could connive to get it within a coin toss of that happening by doubling up the exe and the kill again, but I'd still get a chance at derailing that

edit: the point is, your inflection point is really F4

if the Insider makes it that far then you lose (well, its more of another coin toss really, but yea)

if they do not, then you win

Edited February 11, 2024 by DrakeMarshall

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

that'd be a neat trick to pull off with an odd number of players and no voting minimum

I'm sure you could connive to get it within a coin toss of that happening by doubling up the exe and the kill again, but I'd still get a chance at derailing that

edit: the point is, your inflection point is really F4

if the Insider makes it that far then you lose

if they do not, then you win

Not really sure how you think you're going to derail that?

[Sart he/him]

7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I dislike the bit where this plan basically asks us to go for a cointoss because if we literally vote agnostic to the Insider and kill all Villagers, since the Insider flips Village, we're stuck with the eventual coint—

Jebiga then. You're right I think. TJ ruled that if the Informant and the last Elim kill each other, the Constable wins. Can anyone see a way this won't happen? Because Drake saying we had eight chances seems to imply he missed this aspect of the rules. It means if we go down to just Drake and Stick left, as long as Aman wasn't the Informant, we win.

But I'm still vibing with you and dislike this on principle >>

Drake is unfortunately right that we have an odd number of players. In the extremely rare case in which the Insider is the last person outside of the doc, then the Insider and Drake could vote out Stick, and then win the game. Hence, 8 chances. I will also note that since the Elim kill doesn't function on the Insider, we could use that as a scan. Of course, Drake would be submitting a different order than Stick, but it would narrow down the options to just 2 players if someone doesn't die.

[neil the beguiled]

maybe i should just play mountainous (i hate mountainous). idk i feel like aman might have actually been the informant based on the actions that he took but also like. lol i dont know and this feels confuising

3 minutes ago, Sart said:

Drake is unfortunately right that we have an odd number of players. In the extremely rare case in which the Insider is the last person outside of the doc, then the Insider and Drake could vote out Stick, and then win the game. Hence, 8 chances. I will also note that since the Elim kill doesn't function on the Insider, we could use that as a scan. Of course, Drake would be submitting a different order than Stick, but it would narrow down the options to just 2 players if someone doesn't die.

yeah but also a kill outside could get the contact no>? thats always gonna favour the actual elim team rather than the informant

edit:

once contact's been killed then the elim doccers vote each other for kill-> both die and let the nm win no?

edit2:

huff quit ignoring me

 

Edited February 11, 2024 by neil the beguiled

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

8 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Not really sure how you think you're going to derail that?

because 1) i have a say in who the NK targets and 2) if you get down to F4 and the Insider is still alive then Team Evil has a say in who the exe targets (and meanwhile if the Insider is dead you can just execute me and win) so there's not much point in planning for a mechanically forced victory at F2

and 3) im assuming the purpose of going out of your way to get down to Drake/Stick is that you aren't sure which of us to trust but im the evil one i mean im saying it right here

Edited February 11, 2024 by DrakeMarshall

[Sart he/him]

2 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

maybe i should just play mountainous (i hate mountainous). idk i feel like aman might have actually been the informant based on the actions that he took but also like. lol i dont know and this feels confuising

yeah but also a kill outside could get the contact no>? thats always gonna favour the actual elim team rather than the informant

 

If Aman truly was the informant, then we almost can't win. We would have to kill both Stick and Drake via the vote. That's two cycles of free potshots for them. Then, once both of them are dead, the Insider has the power of the kill, and can immediately kill the Contact. We'd only have 1 cycle to find the Insider and kill them.

However, I highly doubt Aman was the Informant, he swung the vote to try and prevent this current scenario. By limiting them to shooting outside of the doc, we've created a scenario where they can't kill the informant, who I'm presuming is Stick. Even if the Contact dies, they can't win, because the Informant is still alive. Their night kill won't work, and barring the scenario of Contact vs Informant vs Normal Elim, they can't use the vote either.

[neil the beguiled]

can u explain that like im 5

[Sart he/him]

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

because 1) i have a say in who the NK targets and 2) if you get down to F4 and the Insider is still alive then Team Evil has a say in who the exe targets (and meanwhile if the Insider is dead you can just execute me and win) so there's not much point in planning for a mechanically forced victory at F2

and 3) im assuming the purpose of going out of your way to get down to Drake/Stick is that you aren't sure which of us to trust but im the evil one i mean im saying it right here

The reason why I want to get this down to Drake vs Stick is simple. I don't want to guess when we've killed the Insider. I want to know for certain we've won.

1 minute ago, neil the beguiled said:

can u explain that like im 5

To catch the criminal infiltrating the police department, we must kill the entire police department. It's the only way to ensure we've done our job properly.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

1 minute ago, Sart said:

The reason why I want to get this down to Drake vs Stick is simple. I don't want to guess when we've killed the Insider. I want to know for certain we've won.

Neat but you have to guess dawg

If you get down to 4 players and the Insider isn't dead then you no longer necessarily even control the vote

I'm not sure why you would plan for eventualities beyond that point because it's already make-or-break at that point

[neil the beguiled]

2 minutes ago, Sart said:

The reason why I want to get this down to Drake vs Stick is simple. I don't want to guess when we've killed the Insider. I want to know for certain we've won.

To catch the criminal infiltrating the police department, we must kill the entire police department. It's the only way to ensure we've done our job properly.

oh i see. that makes sense in general but im nnot sure what to think of the uhm possibility i guess ?

eh whatever. why did all of my srs have to be members of the elim doc wth

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, neil the beguiled said:

oh i see. that makes sense in general but im nnot sure what to think of the uhm possibility i guess ?

Cf. Drake's rejoinder. We do have to prioritise.