Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ookla the Raveness said: Also I haven't has time to read your whole post, just the question as I'm rather busy right now. I don't expect anyone to tbh. I've brought the questions out mostly. 90% of it is personal working for myself to bring myself up to speed and engage properly with the game. 2 minutes ago, Ookla the Raveness said: And how Cash avoided Araris completely felt like he's teamed with Araris...and it’s probably crazy but I also haven't had time to reread and revise. I hope I will later because I don’t want to do to Araris what I did to Archer. Idk how effective it will be but I hope it points me more solidily in one direction. Define avoided completely? 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Raveness said: Well Archer switched back to me from Aeo, saying that he wouldn't be back to switch his vote which to me felt like an elim teammate pulling back before the wagon killed his teammate. Why.
Aeoryi she/her Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: @Ookla the Resolute - If you've answered and I've missed this, my bad: why were your preferred CWs at EoD Archer and Devo? Because they were the votes people might be able to get behind, minus maybe a ravenclaw vote, but I had forgotten at that time that they weren't a new player Basically, Archer for peace of mind (I wanted to know he wasn't an Elim (happened last time) or the SK hiding behind a seemingly "fake" role-claim. And Devo was because I felt very weirded out by some of the Devo logic- mainly because I didn't even TRY to understand where it was coming from. 3 hours ago, Kasimir said: Which means we should've had a RNG throw. I'm going to just @Elandera here as well to save Mat any time of @ing here. I think there are intuitive and simple ways to resolve this situation, but don't want to put my thumb on the scales as a player and I'm sure Mat and Elan are more than thoroughly equipped to handle this. (Also @Ookla the Destined ) Ohhhhhh boy. Posting my thoughts now Incase I get yeeted mid cycle. 3 hours ago, Kasimir said: Aeo doesn't notice either. Not teamed with Devo ig? God I'm just building this set of thoughts out of utter fricking crack aren't I. I thought it was tied 4/4 not 3/3 lol 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: Aeo now votes Araris. I am so sad she doesn't vote Mat in that hbd post YOU HAD ONE JOB, AEO! You don't want to know how terrified I am of voting the GM after Szeth's LG. 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: And Wiz makes a last minute swap to Archer, which...creates a tie. And presumably Wiz isn't aware he's creating a tie as he makes no mention of it. Not teamed with Devo either? Considering a Wiz/Aeo team I guess. Tbh how would I be communicating with wiz I already said I wouldn't be there EoD and had a science fair at that time. There's also a good chance wiz made a rushed vote. I'd have to check out EoD, then, but it should be fine. 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: Aeo decides to Aeo again. Noteworthy this decision precedes questioning on Ash. I want to understand this and also don't at the same time. Nietzsche and the Abyss come to mind. I think I have on multiple occasions (across multiple different games) defended players who are less active and being sussed for it. Idk when, but I remember defending someone once who was going to be lynched because they were inactive. 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: Aeo doubles onto JNV. Not sure why, eh about the sheep. I was very vehement that I didn't feel I had a coherent way to express the case. I will be honest, sheeping is definitely more of a e!Aeo thing than a v!Aeo thing but I mean in this case there was simply not a better vote. 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: Possibly reflective of personal discomfort with being tied in the lead, Aeo unvotes and votes Wiz. (Or maybe having looked at QF69, decided it was a bad idea)
Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: There's also a good chance wiz made a rushed vote. I'd have to check out EoD, then, but it should be fine. Why would he rush to tie if you know you are V and Archer flipped V? More reasonable to go with what it says on the tin, that he thought he could kill Archer. 24 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: Ohhhhhh boy. Posting my thoughts now Incase I get yeeted mid cycle. Unlikely you'll be thrown out. Most intuitive solution is to houserule that Archer was selected by RNG, congratulations, RNGesus moves in mysterious ways, sometimes by collective error, next? 25 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: I thought it was tied 4/4 not 3/3 lol Yeah but this really makes Devo look more V to me - I can't see this happening lol. I just can't. It's wild Devo noticed but never really banged on about it and I'm the first one to notice this close to EoD. 26 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: I think I have on multiple occasions (across multiple different games) defended players who are less active and being sussed for it. It's the self-vote over Ash I'm commenting on. Defend him sure. Ask us to exe you over him, why. Abyss, I do not want. 27 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: Basically, Archer for peace of mind (I wanted to know he wasn't an Elim (happened last time) or the SK hiding behind a seemingly "fake" role-claim. And Devo was because I felt very weirded out by some of the Devo logic- mainly because I didn't even TRY to understand where it was coming from. Yeah ngl just gonna townlean for this I give up. 27 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: Tbh how would I be communicating with wiz I already said I wouldn't be there EoD and had a science fair at that time. I'm not saying you communicate with Wiz. I'm saying if teamed with Devo, Wiz should be aware of this. I'm also questioning if Wiz's hasty move was precisely to defend you because teamed and you were away. That's the usual thing you ask wrt vote analysis. I don't buy it but as you can tell, it's a play by play analysis with a running line of my thoughts rather than a coherent big picture. In that moment, that's the question I'd ask. 28 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: (Or maybe having looked at QF69, decided it was a bad idea) Thank u now keep looking at QF69 everytime you feel this urge, thank you
Aeoryi she/her Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I'm not saying you communicate with Wiz. I'm saying if teamed with Devo, Wiz should be aware of this. I'm also questioning if Wiz's hasty move was precisely to defend you because teamed and you were away. That's the usual thing you ask wrt vote analysis. I don't buy it but as you can tell, it's a play by play analysis with a running line of my thoughts rather than a coherent big picture. In that moment, that's the question I'd ask. I might argue against an wiz/Aeo team with the fact that These posts would all be very performative, or a very strange way of distancing so that kinda feels out of place. So wiz/Devo/Aeo not e/e/e?
Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said: I might argue against an wiz/Aeo team with the fact that These posts would all be very performative, or a very strange way of distancing so that kinda feels out of place. So wiz/Devo/Aeo not e/e/e? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVIL ANYWAY WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE I SWEAR MY LONGPOST KEEPS SAYING I THINK YOU ARE TOWN W H Y ._. IDGI ._.
Mat he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Author Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Kasimir said: Which means we should've had a RNG throw. I'm going to just @Elandera here as well to save Mat any time of @ing here. I think there are intuitive and simple ways to resolve this situation, but don't want to put my thumb on the scales as a player and I'm sure Mat and Elan are more than thoroughly equipped to handle this. (Also @Ookla the Destined ) Apologies for missing this :/. Straight-up didn't see Ravenclaw's switch, even when reviewing at EoD. My VC had the error for the entirety of the last three and a half pages. I noticed Devo at the end of the turn say that it was a tie and I just assumed she was the one who was wrong. Bad assumption. Thank you for catching this. 15 hours ago, Amanuensis said: @Ookla the Destined VC plz uwu No guarantees of accuracy Araris Valerian/Pookla (2): The Wandering Wizard/Raveness, neil the beguiled Cash67/Rich (2): Kasimir, Devotary of Spontaneity Amanuensis (1): Coffeecat Devotary of Spontaneity (1): Cash67/Rich The Known Novel/Bald (2): Amanuensis, Aeoryi/Resolute
Cash67 Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ookla the Raveness said: And how Cash avoided Araris completely felt like he's teamed with Araris...and it’s probably crazy but I also haven't had time to reread and revise. I hope I will later because I don’t want to do to Araris what I did to Archer. Idk how effective it will be but I hope it points me more solidily in one direction. I just couldn't read last night. My goal with voting you was to promote discussion and force action, and it accomplished that purpose. I could have voted Araris if I wasn't blind, tired, and sleep-deprived. That's my bad. If I would have voted Araris, what do you think would have been your reaction? 2 hours ago, Kasimir said: @Ookla the Raveness - I'd like to hear more about this crack Archer/Aeo E/E theory that had you leaping to kill Archer. Moreover, if this was such a bad theory, what's your view about the fact you think your Araris theory now feels the same? @Devotary of Spontaneity - Any reason for not going for Ash instead? Is there a reason you didn't want to leave it to a tie to see who'd break it, as you sometimes like to do? @Ookla the Rich - Apologies if I missed a post while backreading. What's your take on Aeo now? @neil the beguiled - Why approach Raven and Aman specifically? @Amanuensis - Any idea who else was on at EoD? @Ookla the Resolute - If you've answered and I've missed this, my bad: why were your preferred CWs at EoD Archer and Devo? Aeo seems to have collected themselves. Still on my suspicion list, but not very high. Maybe a 6/10. My main suspicion has shifted to Wizard. This is because I have explained my voting logic as 'picked a train vote at random to poke' and then they get overly defensive. Especially since all of the logical points they are making revolve around me explicitly not picking Ariaris, it seems like too much of a frame to me. My vote is already on Wizard and on them it shall stay. Edit because apparently I forgot my vote switch: The Wandering Wizard Edited December 15, 2023 by Ookla the Rich added vote after remembering things
Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Ookla the Destined said: Apologies for missing this :/. Straight-up didn't see Ravenclaw's switch, even when reviewing at EoD. My VC had the error for the entirety of the last three and a half pages. I noticed Devo at the end of the turn say that it was a tie and I just assumed she was the one who was wrong. Bad assumption. No worries Mr GM sir. If I have the time, I'll work on updating Tallybot. Can't do it right now but it might help you doublecheck even if I'm running it from the dead doc Unfortunately it's Ookla season so coding it might take a little longer and it's not my priority this cycle. I'll try to manually check the vc as well for now. 2 minutes ago, Ookla the Rich said: My vote is already on Wizard and on them it shall stay. Dude. The GM has you as voting on Devo. You sure about that?
Mat he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Author Posted December 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Kasimir said: Dude. The GM has you as voting on Devo. You sure about that? He edited in a vote switch >>
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kasimir said: @Amanuensis - Any idea who else was on at EoD? No idea. I was at work when I popped in to vote and only had time to follow Neil’s CTA on RCJ, sorry 21 minutes ago, Ookla the Destined said: No guarantees of accuracy Araris Valerian/Pookla (2): The Wandering Wizard/Raveness, neil the beguiled Cash67/Rich (2): Kasimir, Devotary of Spontaneity Amanuensis (1): Coffeecat Devotary of Spontaneity (1): Cash67/Rich The Known Novel/Bald (2): Amanuensis, Aeoryi/Resolute Can’t verify the rest atm but I believe Coffee unvoted me Edited December 15, 2023 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Author Posted December 15, 2023 Aaaaaaa they did I see it now You guys :head in hands: I'll triple check before putting up C3 today I swear
Elandera she/her Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kasimir said: Which means we should've had a RNG throw. I'm going to just @Elandera here as well to save Mat any time of @ing here. I think there are intuitive and simple ways to resolve this situation, but don't want to put my thumb on the scales as a player and I'm sure Mat and Elan are more than thoroughly equipped to handle this. Thanks for flagging this for me At this stage, we aren't able to make any changes to the exe. We'll just say that RNGesus put in its influence a bit early. I will also try to double check the numbers before rollover completes. As a side note, please don't edit in vote switches. Those are way too easy to miss. Especially with how active this thread has been, wait a bit and include it in your next post. EDIT: End of day is a bit different for editing posts because of the auto-merge. You won't always have another post or enough time. Just try to make it as apparent as possible. Edited December 15, 2023 by Elandera 2
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 Wait we’re on page 8 what. Is rollover tonight?
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said: 5 hours until rollover Ugh. Back to Araris I guess? TKN can get a third cycle. What’s the Cash case?
Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: Ugh. Back to Araris I guess? TKN can get a third cycle. What’s the Cash case? This entire cycle has been flashbacks to you yelling at Orlok to just get contemporary and backread later and I guess that's what I'm gonna do. No specific case for me; just vibes and wanted to pressure him tbh. I do think stable votes are more likely and I don't buy all Elims were inactive. Looking at the high D1 train stability and who our EoD hoppers were, feel Elims either stayed put or did not vote. Cash is one of the stable candidates, mostly. ...I need to nail down the rest of my readslist.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 @Kasimir, I remembered RavenJedi voting for me since it was personally relevant. I was running late and didn't have time to do more than vote, so definitely couldn't have watched who broke the tie. I voted Aeoryi more as not wanting Archer to die. I knew Ash would start to have more time in future cycles so wanted to wait. @Amanuensis, I'm voting Cash for saying that Aeoryi was the wrong train even though she lived while Archer flipped village. His concurrent vote for me on that basis made it look like he knew Aeoryi's alignment. This is opposed by it being an interesting choice to vote for me after agreeing it made sense for one of us to be evil.
Amanuensis he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: @Kasimir, I remembered RavenJedi voting for me since it was personally relevant. I was running late and didn't have time to do more than vote, so definitely couldn't have watched who broke the tie. I voted Aeoryi more as not wanting Archer to die. I knew Ash would start to have more time in future cycles so wanted to wait. @Amanuensis, I'm voting Cash for saying that Aeoryi was the wrong train even though she lived while Archer flipped village. His concurrent vote for me on that basis made it look like he knew Aeoryi's alignment. This is opposed by it being an interesting choice to vote for me after agreeing it made sense for one of us to be evil. I'll have to peep that because it's a good thought. My Araris thing is I wonder if he's writing me off as V too quickly. It's nice but I'm always cautious of getting v read easily Edited December 15, 2023 by Amanuensis
Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) I am really, really, really understanding how Orlok felt in MR56/any bloody game we were yelling at him to just get contemporary now and I don't understand when I became such a stick-in-the-mud because it's deeply frustrating to look at these things without assimilating the framework properly at nearly 0230hrs. Is there a point to me saying this? IDK. Empathy comes late I guess. I really, really hate doing this knowing I need to dot the is and cross the ts and it is Not Getting Done Reads List For Now, FML If It Changes Even Though It Should: : Devo, Aeo, Aman, Neil : JNV, TKN???, Coffee : Alpha, Ash, Wiz, Araris, Cash Annoyed by the fact everyone in Syakomon just feels meh to me. Ash is sort of just there and I get he's busy, but that's not something I can do much about. Similar deal for Alpha. Unless I want to commit to going after two dedicated inactives, it's in <Wiz, Araris, Cash> for me at the moment. K. I wanna go read LG93 if I've some time. My impulse is to say that E!Wiz should be indifferent between Aeo and Archer but I know he pulled that crem before in that LG and I wanna go see what's what before finalising where I'm gonna be. Re-emphasising that the fact the Ravenclaw issue took so long to surface implies V!Devo to me, especially if any theory of Ravenclaw's death involves Ravenclaw's voting. Edited to add: On 12/14/2023 at 10:17 AM, Coffeecat said: For now I'm gonna put a vote on the wandering wizard for now, I'm probably 99% likely gonna change later, but for now I'm putting my vote there for now because they did vote for archer, although that is understandable. Kinda feels like you don't really think E!Wiz but still wanna vote them? Edited December 15, 2023 by Kasimir
Aeoryi she/her Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 I don't like the Araris votes, and I really don't want to C2 cash, but also... Do we want a cash lynch or a wiz lynch (or someone else?)
Coffeecat she/her Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Kinda feels like you don't really think E!Wiz but still wanna vote them? pretty much, I voted them as a hedging vote, due to them being the last one alive to vote on archer. that is not tooooooo suspicious but still more than anything i had. (edit: i checked and araris also voted archer? oops)i was sure that if anything weird came up i would change my vote for that, i am still right now trying to figure out who i want to vote. also making a vote timeline cause thats fun. Edited December 15, 2023 by Coffeecat
Aeoryi she/her Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 EDIT??? Cash I'm sorry but it has to be done
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: My Araris thing is I wonder if he's writing me off as V too quickly. It's nice but I'm always cautious of getting v read easily I'm not writing you off as village for the whole game, I'm leaning on confidence in my ability to read you later in the game. And nobody has challenged my proposal that your claim was more village-positive than Archer's was. I'm going to vote on Cash, both in the interests of keeping myself alive and because of his fixation on Wiz/myself. If the elims killed in the group of Archer voters then it seems to me that they'd also want to try and exe in that group.
Kasimir he/him Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said: I don't like the Araris votes, and I really don't want to C2 cash, but also... Do we want a cash lynch or a wiz lynch (or someone else?) I'm not willing to vote on anyone not in Syakomon. C1 mercy has expired. Now I just want people in nulls or sus dead.
neil the beguiled Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Kasimir said: @neil the beguiled - Why approach Raven and Aman specifically? i asked them because i saw that they had posted recently/were somewhat active then. fwiw my opinion does tend to be that ties should... not happen if preventable. idt it needs to be said that the main two wagons i disagreed with, but even if i didnt, imo a clear vote gives better info (especially if there is a redflip tbh) sidenote: for ur readslist i can assume theyre tl/null/sl respectively, with more of a keenness to vote in the bottom tier and... yeah thats roughly where id place things myself too ;_; which hooopefully means easy game ez life? 🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">🙏">
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