Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Yeah that one's my fault. SE took the wording from me. I got it from fandom writing exchanges where it's a very common term.

@Amanuensis tbh the fact you spent most of C1 thinking I was E is to me improvement on my part considering how badly LG84 ended for both of us.

FWIW, Aman is the only player I could see claiming BS as BS work for. I did want to note that. He made the most kill interceptions in LG92 which I GMed. Fifth and I were rather disturbed. 

I guess if they keep the term, even when I stop playing SE and move on to other life stuff like everyone else, it'll be the one invisible stamp I left on the game. Kinda cool actually

[Amanuensis he/him]

12 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

FWIW, Aman is the only player I could see claiming BS as BS work for. I did want to note that. He made the most kill interceptions in LG92 which I GMed. Fifth and I were rather disturbed. 

I think it was the Troll half of my role rather than the Lurcher half that led to all my success, personally  Trolling I am good at.

[neil the beguiled]

12 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I know next to nothing about sports too, so probably just assumed anything I knew was base knowledge lol

I didn’t know Sandile evolved from eels

xD, on MU my user is neil the eel (and my icon is also an eel). sandile is one of my other icon choices because the neil comes from sandile misspelled as sad neil. here im neil the beguiled because i want to sound cooler than i am, and if you squint, beguile looks like it can rhyme with eel

9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I’m also a runner and can empathize immensely!

Btw did you happen to see this question?

i rlly ought to get back into it (running) tbh

no i did not! i chose those names bc i remembered tling TKN early but your commentary about not appearing much made me reconsider and id wanna work through a recency bias there to see if thats... well, well founded or not. and then wiz because there was an early surge onto them at cyclestart. feel frtee to share about ash and arasis as well, but wrt ash i think the best bet is waiting for NKA from them and i feel like ive talked about arasis enough earlier with kas so i wanted to look elsehwere for a bit

8 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Hmmm

I'm curious to know where the SK will shoot. I assume elims will try to kill confirmed (or high) village players (i.e Kas) and the SK for others. I could see the SK doing a fearkill since they need to survive, but other than that, the same logic with the elims and failed NK's also applies here.

If the SK goes for inactives/less actives then they'll have a higher chance of killing a non protected target. They might also go for their own Elim suspects, since the ideal SK situation to win is 

2v 1n 1e 

Where there three kills are successful and the neutral doesn't get killed and so as this the SK might want to consider being more of a vig role than a true SK

But yeah why am I obsessing over the SK the SK is not the goal the SK doesn't matter (until it does)

Oh yeah. Right. You root out the wolves.

Hm. The problem is, we have essentially three clumps of players:

The active (Kas, myself, Neil, etc)

The strange (Wiz, Araris, Devo...)

And the Inactives (Labyrinth, JNV...)

And so it's going to be hard to make a really solid core out of that

I always thought of LG92 where it had the PH role but huh I guess it is from baseball

Yeah football uses subs

sk motivations are probably a mix of: who isnt going to be targetted by elim nk And who is directly suspecting me

the latter being less involved at the current moment (points at low info kills). and this is subject to change as the gamestate evolves but hm. i dont think an SK wants to shoot out an elim early though- their best bet is hoping an elim gets voted out. sk's probably have a better grasp on who the elims are anyways tbh (because theyre able to concretely root out who made what kill) (and vice versa for elims abt the sk kill). so.... i dunno i feel like an sk still wants to scumside for the first few cycles. but ur right its probs not best to focus on the sk even though i feel like its taken up a lot of thought

and... yeah youre right that doesnt rlly feel feasable when theres so many ppl that are more nebulous and harder to get a grasp on. im ngl i thought i was a lot more active than i was (i noticed theres a top poster sidebar which is cool ^u^) but also like.,.. holy cow. :9 i think you could consider yourself both among the active and the strange xD

[Amanuensis he/him]

19 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

no i did not! i chose those names bc i remembered tling TKN early but your commentary about not appearing much made me reconsider and id wanna work through a recency bias there to see if thats... well, well founded or not. and then wiz because there was an early surge onto them at cyclestart. feel frtee to share about ash and arasis as well, but wrt ash i think the best bet is waiting for NKA from them and i feel like ive talked about arasis enough earlier with kas so i wanted to look elsehwere for a bit

Did you happen to post anything about your TKN townlean, and if so, could you link me? Might be easier for me to find his more salient posts and the surrounding context if I got at least one of those to start with. As for Wiz, I’ll have to revisit the start of the cycle in the meantime as I hadn’t remembered him getting votes.

 

On 12/13/2023 at 7:25 PM, Ookla the Rich said:

Well shoot. 
 

*proceeds to poke vote The Wandering Wizard as they are the only one left alive who voted for the village execution*

Araris also voted Archer and lived. Did someone already challenge Cash on this or am I beating a dead chull?

22 hours ago, Coffeecat said:

Shoot this is bad, four innocents fine already. Something has to be done about this... If I only knew what.

For now I'm gonna put a vote on the wandering wizard for now, I'm probably 99% likely gonna change later, but for now I'm putting my vote there for now because they did vote for archer, although that is understandable.

I don’t know if it’s the four “for nows” in the second paragraph of this post, but for some reason it’s ringing my alarm bells. 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Amanuensis

[neil the beguiled]

11 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Did you happen to post anything about your TKN townlean, and if so, could you link me? Might be easier for me to find his more salient posts and the surrounding context if I got at least one of those to start with. As for Wiz, I’ll have to revisit the start of the cycle in the meantime as I hadn’t remembered him getting votes.

 

Spoiler

On 12/11/2023 at 9:08 PM, Ookla the Bald said:

*sighs* I thought we were done with that?

Aeoryi (Resolute) has a bit of a history of self-voting and semi-often dying for it. And yes, voting in red is the typical way that we vote. If you want to unvote, just put your original vote in Green. Bold is encouraged but bot necessary. 

Can't say I trust self-meta-reads, but that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, since I make them a lot. So, noted. 

On 12/12/2023 at 1:17 PM, Ookla the Bald said:

Do you honestly think I believed that? Especially when my logic for doing so was "the Fey can't answer with a lie if you ask them thrice."

I did appreciate the puns though, specifically Siri et al killer. Very creative.

I figure it's pretty NAI, especially if it's related to the convention game. Though I do think it being a fake Convention game would be village leaning, but I doubt there's any way to prove that.

 

first of these posts i thought the introspectiveness of it was kinda towny and the indigniance in the second is as well. mild wording thing but the (italizicsed but specifically) bolded line feels very natural as well to think from a villager.

 

On 12/13/2023 at 7:25 PM, Ookla the Rich said:

Well shoot. 
 

*proceeds to poke vote The Wandering Wizard as they are the only one left alive who voted for the village execution*
 

 

22 hours ago, Coffeecat said:

Shoot this is bad, four innocents fine already. Something has to be done about this... If I only knew what.

For now I'm gonna put a vote on the wandering wizard for now, I'm probably 99% likely gonna change later, but for now I'm putting my vote there for now because they did vote for archer, although that is understandable.

i must have misremembered wiz getting more but both coffee and cash voted there initially c2

edit:

yeah i think ararsis themself did, and i may have as well buit tyhe posts are bledning together.

edit2:

holy typos batman i need a nap.

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by neil the beguiled

[Cash67]

12 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Did you happen to post anything about your TKN townlean, and if so, could you link me? Might be easier for me to find his more salient posts and the surrounding context if I got at least one of those to start with. As for Wiz, I’ll have to revisit the start of the cycle in the meantime as I hadn’t remembered him getting votes.

 

Araris also voted Archer and lived. Did someone already challenge Cash on this or am I beating a dead chull?

I don’t know if it’s the four “for nows” in the second paragraph of this post, but for some reason it’s ringing my alarm bells. 

I’ve been challenged I just couldn’t read that night. My vote still stands though. It would have been a coin flip otherwise as it was a poke vote. 

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Rich said:

I’ve been challenged I just couldn’t read that night. My vote still stands though. It would have been a coin flip otherwise as it was a poke vote. 

Your vote was justified enough to pass for me, and I wasn't being really trained at that time

[Kasimir he/him]

18 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I don’t know if it’s the four “for nows” in the second paragraph of this post, but for some reason it’s ringing my alarm bells. 

Yeah it is. The only caution I have is that Coffee is in that player profile but I'd prefer not to write it off.

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

Yeah it is. The only caution I have is that Coffee is in that player profile but I'd prefer not to write it off.

Coffee is like, an early gen returning player, right? I don’t remember playing with them

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

Coffee is like, an early gen returning player, right? I don’t remember playing with them

Yes but sporadic. I first played with them in QF6, remember reading them in MR42 and GMed them in MR43.

Take with a pinch of salt as it's rather dated in terms of memories. They're squarely within the player profile that struggles formulating suspicions imo. This does entail E!them would struggle more with it.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Yes but sporadic. I first played with them in QF6, remember reading them in MR42 and GMed them in MR43.

Take with a pinch of salt as it's rather dated in terms of memories. They're squarely within the player profile that struggles formulating suspicions imo. This does entail E!them would struggle more with it.

I see. Will probably continue to defer to your perspective on them four now.

How do you feel about TKN? I think you interacted with him some C1, or at least remember more than I do.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

I see. Will probably continue to defer to your perspective on them four now.

How do you feel about TKN? I think you interacted with him some C1, or at least remember more than I do.

I'm fully expecting TKN to kill me this cycle tbh.

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Ookla the Destined VC plz uwu 

10 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm fully expecting TKN to kill me this cycle tbh.

Not if I can help it >:)

@Ashbringer Hey how’s it going

Edited December 15, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Aeoryi she/her]

Ash gotta go on the doc first

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Ash gotta go on the doc first

Are you open wolfing again? XD

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Are you open wolfing again? XD

My TMI is telling me that ash is being very vocal in the Elim-only-secret-totally-not-bathroom-room

Spoiler

No, this is not an Elim claim.

 

[Kasimir he/him]

17 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Not if I can help it >:)

For the love of Sanderson can u pls self-protect kthx

I'll gladly die for u bro

19 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I see. Will probably continue to defer to your perspective on them four now.

How do you feel about TKN? I think you interacted with him some C1, or at least remember more than I do.

Sorry, slightly more filled out response now that I'm no longer pecking it out on a mobile while dodging traffic.

The thing for Coffee IMO is that given their profile, I can see that coming from V!them (they're exactly the kind of profile that struggles, therefore might overhedge in an overly-honest reflection of paranoia/failure to prioritise/reflection of deep personal uncertainty) or I can see that coming from E!them which I think is your concern here wrt Coffee's oversignalling of a hedge, i.e. refusal to commit/desire to keep options open and return to you.

The result is a wash to me - I still liked the energy with which they came at you, it's been a Long Time since I played with or GMed Coffee and (note to self to cross-reference with the spreadsheet) so dated meta is always a bit ??? For one, I can say that in most of the games (MR43, QF6), Coffee didn't do analysis. Like even the thing you got was more than I got out of Coffee those games. The German stuff was a lot of 'no u' but there's context I don't want to get into including the fact that E!Coffee got scanned that cycle but cleverly used my code to tell their teammates who the scanner was, so maybe don't underestimate? /shrug

I have some scratchy memories of MR42 because I didn't play it but Orlok did, but remember Coffee playing a bit more conventionally. Might dig up but doesn't feel as important as finalising the vote analysis/NKA of Ravenclaw (more important one) if I can.

I'm more bearish on TKN than Neil is, I'm afraid. Formally-speaking a null, but I have some suspicions, and generally am allergic to TKN ever feeling so comfortable he can completely disappear from the radar if I don't have a V lean of him. That being said, the C3 rule is solid IMO - if you don't see something that looks V to you (emphasis, ignore Neil here) by C3, set him on fire. I absolutely believe that for SE standards, TKN starts performing after C3 so I'd take that as the cut-off point. Sometimes you can read him before that and that's why I asked him the questions I did, but don't feel confident, sadly.

[Amanuensis he/him]

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'll gladly die for u bro

The feeling is mutual tho

@Ookla the Bald what’s up homie

[Aeoryi she/her]

@Kasimir, could you direct me to one of the most (relative) recent games Coffee has played? I think that can probably help me understand why they're being judged on games that took place in like the Iron Age of SE

[Kasimir he/him]

25 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

@Kasimir, could you direct me to one of the most (relative) recent games Coffee has played? I think that can probably help me understand why they're being judged on games that took place in like the Iron Age of SE

The problem is that I don't actually recall them from anything more recent than MR43, but I'm currently reading QF49 as they theoretically appear there but I'm on C2 and haven't seen a single post from them. Let me see if I can share the filter... Ok evidently not.

I think you should just use the spreadsheet, filter in the Data tab under Players for Lord_Silberfarben, and then pick a more recent game you find relevant. QF49 is their last and they apparently actually played LG71 which might mean Aman has played them before, just zero recall.

Edited to add:

Yeah don't check out QF49 it's no good. I'd advise avoiding MR43 too - I recall they hard RPed, got one or two posts off, and then died, so I don't think there's anything there.

Edited to add 2:

25 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

@Kasimir, could you direct me to one of the most (relative) recent games Coffee has played? I think that can probably help me understand why they're being judged on games that took place in like the Iron Age of SE

Hey Elims no need to finish me tonight

Aeo already did  

Edited December 15, 2023 by Kasimir

[Amanuensis he/him]

Brandon, Kas
Neil, Aeoyri
Wizard, Araris, TKN, Ash, Devo
JNV, Coffee, Cash, Alpha

Probably Village, Sorta Seems Village, The Danger Zone, Just Kinda Here I Guess.

My only sensible goals from here on are to:

1. Either strengthen or diminish my Neil and Aeo credences based on their content going forward and any potential findings. Not currently concerned.
2. Move players in the current danger zone either up or down based on future interactions and how they respond to pressure. These are my active concerns.
3. Encourage the JKHIGs to participate more so I can either place them in SSV or TDZ. These are my passive concerns.

IDK why I did this post like this but I had fun with it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited December 15, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Aeoryi she/her]

25 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

The problem is that I don't actually recall them from anything more recent than MR43, but I'm currently reading QF49 as they theoretically appear there but I'm on C2 and haven't seen a single post from them. Let me see if I can share the filter... Ok evidently not.

I think you should just use the spreadsheet, filter in the Data tab under Players for Lord_Silberfarben, and then pick a more recent game you find relevant. QF49 is their last and they apparently actually played LG71 which might mean Aman has played them before, just zero recall.

Edited to add:

Yeah don't check out QF49 it's no good. I'd advise avoiding MR43 too - I recall they hard RPed, got one or two posts off, and then died, so I don't think there's anything there.

Edited to add 2:

Hey Elims no need to finish me tonight

Aeo already did  

To be fair, back then lurchers could constantly self protect, so it was sort of the age of iron

I think back then, every game was like a tyrian with a texture pack so ig it's fine. 

>Kas: {inserts "I was there gandalf" meme}

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

To be fair, back then lurchers could constantly self protect, so it was sort of the age of iron

I think back then, every game was like a tyrian with a texture pack so ig it's fine. 

>Kas: {inserts "I was there gandalf" meme}

Spoiler

I'm calling it now. SK!Aeo. She's performing a series of brutal killings on me and y'all are just watching it

(j/k Aeo)

Iron Age fits in many senses. Fire and blood. 

@Amanuensis Tbh I'm rethinking JNV. Is there a reason you've pitched them below null at this point?

[Amanuensis he/him]

7 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Brandon, Kas
Neil, Aeoyri
Wizard, Araris, TKN, Ash, Devo
JNV, Coffee, Cash, Alpha

Probably Village, Sorta Seems Village, The Danger Zone, Just Kinda Here I Guess.

My only sensible goals from here on are to:

1. Either strengthen or diminish my Neil and Aeo credences based on their content going forward and any potential findings. Not currently concerned.
2. Move players in the current danger zone either up or down based on future interactions and how they respond to pressure. These are my active concerns.
3. Encourage the JKHIGs to participate more so I can either place them in SSV or TDZ. These are my passive concerns.

IDK why I did this post like this but I had fun with it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My brain actually really likes this pyramid. Feels like I puzzle I can solve.

My first guess would be 2 elims within TDZ + 1 elim in JKHIG.

My second guess would be 1 elim in SSV + TDZ + JKHIG, if that fails.

1 TDZ + 2 JKHIGs feels off.

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Tbh I'm rethinking JNV. Is there a reason you've pitched them below null at this point?

I didn't get a chance to interact with them in thread C1 and don't remember much about their posts, so will have to do a reread / ISO, or cross paths with them soon, to start forming a read

Edited December 15, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

My brain actually really likes this pyramid. Feels like I puzzle I can solve.

My first guess would be 2 elims within TDZ + 1 elim in JKHIG.

My second guess would be 1 elim in SSV + TDZ + JKHIG, if that fails.

1 TDZ + 2 JKHIGs feels off.

I could see a somewhat active Elim team with 1 TDZ as like a major consultant (probably the decider of the Ravenclawjedi42 kill) and two lesser active players. That's what my current prediction is, and

Part of the reason I'm not particularly watching for JNv is that I don't think JNV really fits into that lesser active or major consultant position.