JNV Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Hey everyone the end of the world rave is happening this time around for real for real no more tricksy murders in the dark were on a schedule and were doing it tonight on the great and grand planet of Threnody soon to be ashes get your orders in drinks are free and the taxi home will drop you off in a random back alley somewhere enjoy the ride Spoiler 3
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Somehow, Rollovet Returned. And we haven't even released Endowment yet! #UnleashTheKraken!
|TJ| he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Ashbringer said: Somehow, Rollovet Returned. It's funny how someone who has never seen Star Wars (past the original trilogy) can get other Star Wars references, assuming this is a TRoS reference :P. Kas I'm not still sticking to you!aut theory smh, i was about to come back to it BEFORE drake claimed aut. worried if autium (odonomy?) is actually slowly working towards killing villagers (ie detess) working towards his wincon because if we kill the remaining hoid+partner they lose. expected him to kill araris in the night actually. 6 hours ago, Kasimir said: So my view: either we lynch TBB this cycle or TBB manages to wrangle a tie. I don't really give a damn either way as both outcomes are acceptable to me. You felt and Mat felt the Archer vote had distancing vibes, so let's go with this. I trust you, you are also my bro and you say your reads have been dead on this game except, apparently, for me. And you V!read Araris early on. im like 90% sure araris is not hoid. maybe 95. but i do think he could be h-partner. alright, lesgo. TBB. unsure about tbb-fadran connection though.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: M U R D E R P U P P Y Reveal hidden contents ...Clearly I have impaired faculties of judgement when it comes to what is adorable. But just look at hoarfrost boy here: Spoiler 17 minutes ago, |TJ| said: It's funny how someone who has never seen Star Wars (past the original trilogy) can get other Star Wars references, assuming this is a TRoS reference :P. Smh bro it's Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi I think Ash was just making a Nalthis joke smh 17 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Kas I'm not still sticking to you!aut theory smh, i was about to come back to it BEFORE drake claimed aut. >:( Unforgiveable. Smh. 17 minutes ago, |TJ| said: worried if autium (odonomy?) is actually slowly working towards killing villagers (ie detess) working towards his wincon because if we kill the remaining hoid+partner they lose. expected him to kill araris in the night actually. I think he prefers 'murderpuppy.' But don't quote me on it. Drake doesn't lose if we kill Hoid+partner. Does involve killing him eventually, but since we're functionally on the three cycle timer for JNV, I think there's time to go after the hidden enemy first. Again, my view is that JNV delayed to take out one Elim for us - we owe it to them to give them the time to finish up. They've been fairly pro-Village for a neutral. 17 minutes ago, |TJ| said: im like 90% sure araris is not hoid. maybe 95. but i do think he could be h-partner. alright, lesgo. TBB. unsure about tbb-fadran connection though. I think H!partner is possible, yeah. My D3 Araris case still stands. It's hard to make sense of his Roshar jump in an E!Araris world and his PM defense of Archer while the team let Archer die, but also feel that Fadran is a Capital C Choice that really feels like a <Turtle, Walin, TBB, Wiz> choice, italicised Wiz because I think there are reasons to meta V!read. Turtle is being flipped one way or another anyway so I am fine with having half the pool cleared. Edited to add: @|TJ| Contra what TBB says about meta, I feel like Fadran is a risky off-the-wall choice for a quiet player that requires some calculation that lying low is better. I'm not sure I really buy that TBB would necessarily go for an aggressive conversion choice because fundamentally, he does have one in Archer, and he's done fairly well with low-lying/off-meta teams before that I think he has the capacity to meta-screw. Turtle would actually be my first pick for this, but Turtle's MIA and going to die. But part of this is just me deciding to trust you/Mat on specifically your read of the D4 Archer-TBB interaction. Edited to add 2: One reason I'd also lean again Walin in that pool, except as a convert, comes down to: I'd caution against overreading into the term 'team' because this is a very new player, and it's easy to Ripple Effect them. That being said, I might be fine taking it prima facie at face value as DrakeI. was definitely quite missing Night 0 and it's also a capital C Choice to expect a first-time player to be thrown into a core faction role like Hoid. I also kind of do not know if he'd apologise to his 'team' if he were a solo converter who hadn't yet converted - it doesn't really feel like the natural thing to say. This doesn't rule out that Walin was subsequently converted, but I would be surprised if DrakeI./Walin were Hoid, given the combination of factors. Edited June 23, 2023 by Kasimir
|TJ| he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Smh bro it's Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi I think Ash was just making a Nalthis joke smh I thought it was this from the rise of skywalker - Spoiler agreed with the other points and yeah walin not likely hoid. want to reread d4 tbb-archer interaction to be sure though. Edited June 23, 2023 by |TJ|
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, |TJ| said: I thought it was this from the rise of skywalker - Spoiler 1 minute ago, |TJ| said: want to reread d4 tbb-archer interaction to be sure though. Going with your read of it. But my current Wiz read is V so if we're looking in that particular PoE, I'm not willing to flip Wiz off the bat.
|TJ| he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Reveal hidden contents what, not speak about tros? :P. (i keep forgetting copying the image and pasting never works, always have to insert from url)
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, |TJ| said: what, not speak about tros? :P. (i keep forgetting copying the image and pasting never works, always have to insert from url) Spoiler I s2g bhai if you're freaking Evil this time >:(
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Kasimir said: Am I allowed to quote from a doc? Does this violate the c/p rule? You are not allowed to quote from a doc.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: You are not allowed to quote from a doc. Will giving page/line reference like TBB wants violate the spirit of this rule? 8 hours ago, The Bald Brandon said: Edit: That makes me a little happier. I was saying that to try to get you to not think "Oh well I came to this conclusion mostly on my own, I only had a few nudges here and there from Drake." And I was at the edge of sanity there, due to personal things happening today. Sorry to hear. As the guy who had a break-up two days ago I feel this pain. 8 hours ago, The Bald Brandon said: Would you be willing to say why you trust Szeth and TJ again? I know you have in the past, but I would appreciate not having to search for them. H'okay. Case for V!Szeth boils down to several factors. I'll leave out why Szeth can't be on Team Khriss—since Team Khriss is functionally dead and out of this game, it doesn't matter at this point. The AC case is even more straightforward. First, Szeth pushed me in a very sincere way. I don't deny some Elims will try to put me on the table because they need options (cf. Elan D4 when I challenged her on her PoE, and Mat suggesting I would convert Fifth), but they often don't really back it up properly. I felt it was sincere because it was an extremely aggressive challenge that lasted the entire cycle and carried on into the Roshar doc. It's often very difficult to simulate distrust of a player you actually trust; if you re-read Roshar, you'll notice I essentially act as though I trust Drake despite my saying I think he's Evil. Which is a powerful suggestion the read is inauthentic. With Szeth, it's harder to fake that sort of lingering distrust, e.g. balking at the idea I would be involved in any way in the Frost chain of contact, and insisting on using Drake instead of me or Ruin to broker communication with Frost. So since it's fairly authentic, it seems to me to emerge from a Village PoV. If Szeth were AC, he doesn't really need to 'fake' distrust since he just needs me dead no matter what team I'm on. (For the record, I will state that I trust Drake to act in his own interests, which is a really powerful kind of trust especially early on in a conversion game, and works only as long as our interests are aligned. Once our interests are no longer aligned, all bets are off.) Second, there was a very aggressive late-Day to EoD train on Szeth on D3, with a maximum of five votes, including you and Archer. I had to break it up by suggesting a Xino CW as I V!read Szeth. The fact that Archer was fine with that train and I had to counterpropose a CW is IMO powerfully suggestive that Szeth is Village. And moreover, I think it is unlikely the ACs still had a conversion left untapped by N3. For me, the V!TJ case is in two parts: second voter on Archer and persistent sus on Archer. The second voter part is important because let's look back at what we know of the train and the circumstances. N3, I explicitly express my frustration with the D3 voting and say we need to vote in the vocal player bracket, and include myself and Archer in that list. D4, DeTess once again places Archer on the lynch list, and TJ seconds it, after raising Archer suspicions on N3 as well. That's a risky move for E!TJ in multiple ways: given the temperature of the thread and Night indications that we would move to more vocal players, it's pretty clear that move is going to draw flak to Archer once again. Furthermore, let's look at the supposed composition of the AC team: Fadran has gone inactive by then, and TJ has not been high on thread presence. We don't know about their final member, but it can't be Szeth, it can't be Murderpuppy, and it can't be me. If it's not you, then you're committed to their third member being in <Wiz, Walin, Fae, Turtle, Araris>, most of whom are also inactives except Araris. Giving up Archer has a pretty high associated cost because it makes the team that much more vulnerable in the thread. The second part is the fact he's just not letting go of suspicion I might be Aut, really. (Notice he mentioned he was going to return to it again until Drake claimed.) I don't deny it could be TJ faking paranoia and fully expect TJ to ape this against me one day, but for now, I think the two halves put together lead me to V!TJ. Edited to add: For context - in our play together, I've never known E!TJ to really have paranoia of me. I sometimes need a PM to read him better, but he's also often more placatory. I guess it's what he calls Elim appeasement. I'm not really getting that off him right now. Edited June 23, 2023 by Kasimir
|TJ| he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 smh am i and kas the only ones voting so far, wth guys? re-read d4 archer-tbb interaction and hmm, teeny bit less confident that before. one part of it might hint it doesnt seem e/e. the part is does is tbb is quite aggressive in their push back against archer. e/e tend to be more aggressive as they know they are faking it and not really being rude. v suspecting e usually tend to be more reasonable, calm and polite. case in point iirc tkn was quite apologetic voting for me in the last cycle of qf66. if its not tbb, then i reckon its between [wiz > araris]. fully convinced there was at least one distancing interaction by archer in d4. 8 hours ago, Kasimir said: I s2g bhai if you're freaking Evil this time >:( brother brother, you are supposed to chill this game. dont overthink and paranoid yourself. if im evil, im evil. xD 5 hours ago, Kasimir said: (Notice he mentioned he was going to return to it again until Drake claimed.) not really seriously. more like a throwaway comment like "smh why do I still think kas is auto" 5 hours ago, Kasimir said: For context - in our play together, I've never known E!TJ to really have paranoia of me. I sometimes need a PM to read him better, but he's also often more placatory. I guess it's what he calls Elim appeasement. I'm not really getting that off him right now. not sure i recall correctly but i think i did try to be paranoid of you in lg83, maybe it was easier to fake because i was legit paranoid of v!kas faking thief but once it was obvious that you were the thief there was no need to fake paranoia. and yeah, village appeasement by the elim.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, |TJ| said: smh am i and kas the only ones voting so far, wth guys? Bhai, clearly the Village wants Aut to hammer them Who needs to live, amirite? 30 minutes ago, |TJ| said: re-read d4 archer-tbb interaction and hmm, teeny bit less confident that before. one part of it might hint it doesnt seem e/e. the part is does is tbb is quite aggressive in their push back against archer. e/e tend to be more aggressive as they know they are faking it and not really being rude. v suspecting e usually tend to be more reasonable, calm and polite. case in point iirc tkn was quite apologetic voting for me in the last cycle of qf66. if its not tbb, then i reckon its between [wiz > araris]. fully convinced there was at least one distancing interaction by archer in d4. Honestly this is why I'm leaning towards a third option. Meta-read of Wiz doesn't seem Evil but I guess you can vote Wiz if you really want to. Low key want to give Araris a chance if possible. I struggle to see Walin as anything but a convert, and I still think Fadran is a Choice which takes us back to the pool we need the inactivity filter to flip for us. Fadran is unlikely as you choice or an Araris choice. So where does that leave us? Still <Turtle, Wiz, TBB> if we accept the point against H!Walin. Look. Here's the unspoken problem. Let's say we find the ACs. What happens after that? You told me what you suspected Drake is playing. Alright. So what's the logical next step? We cannot afford too many casualties among the active voters because quite simply, if you burn through your active voters, you will get wrecked by the neighbourhood SK. Wiz might not be present but he's at least responsive to PMs which indicates he can be induced to vote. Edited to add: 30 minutes ago, |TJ| said: brother brother, you are supposed to chill this game. dont overthink and paranoid yourself. if im evil, im evil. xD Bro my nice chill RPful game entirely died when freakin' Autonomy crashed my rave. Every. Single. Shard game. I sit back and have a chill game and then freakin' Autonomy comes in like a wrecking ball. Every. Time. That Shard is just cursed. That Shard and I have a cursed history. I just cannot even. Edited to add 2: Ok I'll be fair - it probably also has to do with the fact I struggle to sit there and watch a Village be willfully blind or do nonsense on stilts and not say something about it and if I do refrain, it's probably because I'm Evil smh. Edited to add 3: Current vc: VOCALS (1): TBB TBB (2): Kas, TJ I feel like people have checked out of the game. Smh Murderpuppy, this is what happens when you kill DeTess. She's more checked into this thread than maybe 3/4 of the surviving players right now. Edited to add 4: Like seriously: LG29: Having a nice, chill game having impersonated Araris. Autonomy: "Hi Kas I've converted you welcome to the Autonomous also btw tell us what Araris's role is." Me: "Omg screw you seriously." AG7: Ellie: "Btw im Autonomy " Me: *INTERNAL SCREAMING* Then this game. Edited June 23, 2023 by Kasimir
|TJ| he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, Kasimir said: AG7: Ellie: "Btw im Autonomy " this you freaked out for no reason. i was so peaceful that game :P. i claimed for no reason, just for fun :P.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, |TJ| said: this you freaked out for no reason. i was so peaceful that game :P. i claimed for no reason, just for fun :P. FREAKIN' AUTONOMY THAT SHARD IS JUST CURSED >:( 42 minutes ago, |TJ| said: brother brother, you are supposed to chill this game. dont overthink and paranoid yourself. if im evil, im evil. xD To be honest I don't particularly care if you're Evil. Edited to add: I suppose to put it less spicily (as much as some chaos gremlin part of me enjoys being this provocative) - it's not a priority tier in my head. Same deal as DeTess. Some layers you just don't flip until you've flipped the less likely options. I don't really see E!you as the first level priority. Will this stop me from complaining about or considering E!you worlds? Nope. Will I touch them anytime soon? Nope. Edited June 23, 2023 by Kasimir
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 You're right in that I'm somewhat checked out of the thread, but I'm at least present enough to make sure a hammer doesn't get through. Is there a reason to not exe Drake? Hoid is still running around, so there doesn't seem to be any way for the game to imminently end, and Autonomy is a decent threat. I'm going to sheep Kas on TBB for now. Probably not a huge chance this vote moves. Looking at Archer and Fadran starting in D2, things I've noticed: Archer pointed out the meta thing about Szeth (which could be seen as a defense of TBB) Found this post: Quote As for Turtle, I'm always wary of people pulling a TBB where they decline to self pres to make people like Mat trust them for a while, but they lurk and absolutely do self pres at EoD. But I'm feeling generous, so village points to Turtle for being a depressed villager Archer went after Walin D3 Szeth looks pretty village from EOD on D3. I'm feeling a bit out of the loop, anyone have a feel for if Archer would have known a bunch of votes would pile on him at the start of D4? Seems like if he knew that then the TBB vote looks more like distancing. So yeah, I think TBB works, and maybe Turtle as a second option?
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: You're right in that I'm somewhat checked out of the thread, but I'm at least present enough to make sure a hammer doesn't get through. Is there a reason to not exe Drake? Hoid is still running around, so there doesn't seem to be any way for the game to imminently end, and Autonomy is a decent threat. Is there a reason you ask this and vote TBB? 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I'm feeling a bit out of the loop, anyone have a feel for if Archer would have known a bunch of votes would pile on him at the start of D4? Seems like if he knew that then the TBB vote looks more like distancing. If TBB were Evil, Archer would know because TBB was on Roshar and Roshar was planning to gun for Archer. 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: So yeah, I think TBB works, and maybe Turtle as a second option? Bro Turtle and Fae are due to be filter-killed today so it really doesn't matter. Edited June 23, 2023 by Kasimir Extra space
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Is there a reason you ask this and vote TBB? Yes, my assumption is that I’m really out of the loop and don’t want to do something too stupid. I figured there is a reason I’m just missing, since nobody else was voting there.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Yes, my assumption is that I’m really out of the loop and don’t want to do something too stupid. I figured there is a reason I’m just missing, since nobody else was voting there. Hmm. This is a very interesting comment Very vintage Porch Bro, too, in bloodthirst. I guess it deserves an honest answer: No, there really isn't. Make what you will of it
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Well then. TBB. Drake. I’ll try to be in the neighborhood if it’s necessary to consolidate around EOD.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: You're right in that I'm somewhat checked out of the thread, but I'm at least present enough to make sure a hammer doesn't get through. Is there a reason to not exe Drake? Hoid is still running around, so there doesn't seem to be any way for the game to imminently end, and Autonomy is a decent threat. I'm going to sheep Kas on TBB for now. Probably not a huge chance this vote moves. Admittedly had just found it weird/easy sheep, but also, #notwrong I guess. Edited to add: 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: Archer went after Walin D3 Thoughts on Walin's alignment? Edited June 23, 2023 by Kasimir
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: No, there really isn't. Oh but there is! I'm very cute And possibly friendly 1
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, DrakeMarshall said: Oh but there is! I'm very cute And possibly friendly Very spicy. Multiple impulse control problems :eyes: Possibly rabid. Did I take you to the vet yet? :eyes:
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Kasimir said: [stuff] ...you know what. I think I just need to be resolved. I've presented as good of a case as I can, but the only way to resolve my slot is a flip, I think. The Village can afford for me to die today, so I think this works out. And I won't be very active for a week or so, so TBB/TKN/Myself (VOCALS) 2 hours ago, |TJ| said: smh am i and kas the only ones voting so far, wth guys? re-read d4 archer-tbb interaction and hmm, teeny bit less confident that before. one part of it might hint it doesnt seem e/e. the part is does is tbb is quite aggressive in their push back against archer. e/e tend to be more aggressive as they know they are faking it and not really being rude. v suspecting e usually tend to be more reasonable, calm and polite. case in point iirc tkn was quite apologetic voting for me in the last cycle of qf66. if its not tbb, then i reckon its between [wiz > araris]. fully convinced there was at least one distancing interaction by archer in d4. I voted. I appreciate this, and I would suggest looking at the Araris interaction two or so games ago where he was v and I was e, there are a lot of similarities. But I've resigned myself to the fact that dying is probably best for a multitude of reasons. If Ambition ever gets released, do consider bringing me back, I have two Odium charges and an Ambition charge.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, The Bald Brandon said: But I've resigned myself to the fact that dying is probably best for a multitude of reasons. It...really isn't. I'll say this much, because I hate to see a player kill themselves for no reason. Smh I was going to sit this out, alright. Sigh. I mean exactly what I said, at various points of this game and oh god Drake is gonna give me so much hell for this: The Village cannot afford your flip. There is absolutely zero reason to go for you right now and I've implied as much. This cycle should probably be a social experiment in the Village willingness to follow me down an absolutely nonsense train that makes no sense whatsoever. I've said all along that this was a short term alliance with Aut. If you come at the king, you better not miss. Which is a way of saying that if you want to antagonise Aut and force the issue now, why vote VOCALS in particular? Why is an actual openwolfing Elim SK still alive? What are Hoid and the last AC who lack a NK and vote majority going to do to us? In general: I have hinted a third train might be a good idea. Literally, why is no one voting Drake? Araris has the right idea. You all shouldn't need me to highlight this but I actually really don't want you to die like this regardless of what I think about TJ's case on you. There is no reason not to turn on Aut at this juncture, quite frankly. Unless he gives us one. P.S. Shards go to the nearest non-Vessel on the same Shardworld. I'll give you another hint: I'm a Villager. JNV and I and Drake are on Threnody.
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