Pathfinder Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Sure. It is going on here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/13089-fantasycon-reading/ There's talk about many things happening in the chapter, not just about the eye color. Oh and just to spoil you because I cannot resist: Kal eyes went back to brown. LOL, thank you for the link, and of course now my mind is spinning as to the ramifications of that. Right now I am reading Sixth of Dusk, but the moment I am done with that, I am hoping onto that thread, as well as searching for a discussion thread on Sixth of Dusk because my brain is spinning on that too!
Adamir he/him Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I am scrolling all the way down into the bottom to type this. Adolin exiled = Shallarin confirmed! This news has a bigger impact than any number of 'Half Life 3 Confirmed' headlines.
Guest Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I am scrolling all the way down into the bottom to type this. Adolin exiled = Shallarin confirmed! This news has a bigger impact than any number of 'Half Life 3 Confirmed' headlines. Shallarin? I thought this ship had sunk for good. I honestly cannot see any ground onto which it could ever evolve, with or without Adolin around.
Adamir he/him Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Yup, it sunk. But I can still hold on to denial; nope, the entirety of Words of Radiance was non-canon... non-canon... non-canon... I cringed every time Shallan spoke to Renarin. It was like she hated his guts.
DreamEternal Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 She didn't even notice that when Pattern spoke of two storms colliding Renarin had already said that before. I mean, we are supposed to accept that Jasnah's ward can't put 2+2 together?
Guest Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Yup, it sunk. But I can still hold on to denial; nope, the entirety of Words of Radiance was non-canon... non-canon... non-canon... I cringed every time Shallan spoke to Renarin. It was like she hated his guts. Bah even without that scene, I just do not think Shallan and Renarin could have existed. Shallarin based itself on a version of Shallan and Renarin which is not canon. Shallan is quite the over-enthusiastic fangirl who likes to talk too much and is impatient whereas Renarin is a heavily introverted kid who over thinks every single words and has severe anxiety as well self-esteem issues. She would have been bored and exasperated by him whereas she is in total awe of Adolin, the hunk. Renarin, on his side, would have been rapidly overwhelmed with Shallan and would have felt threatened for her too forward ways. I just don't see it. Shallarin worked if Shallan simply were a smart, shy, calm and patient girl while if Renarin were lightly introverted, bookish, calm and more quick tongued than he truly is. I quite keen to read what Renarin thinks of her though... I would not be surprised he does not like her at all and is looking at her "engagement" with his brother with a suspicious eye. She didn't even notice that when Pattern spoke of two storms colliding Renarin had already said that before. I mean, we are supposed to accept that Jasnah's ward can't put 2+2 together? Why should she have listened to the mad screams of a boy who was clearly unstable? I cannot fault Shallan for not taking heeds to Renarin: he sounded as he had completely lost it. Personally, if I have someone panicking, yelling absurdities such as "We are all going to die" when I am trying to solve a puzzle which would save us all, I would certainly not stop in order to verify if any of the screams are worth studying.
+Slowswift Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I am scrolling all the way down into the bottom to type this. Adolin exiled = Shallarin confirmed! This news has a bigger impact than any number of 'Half Life 3 Confirmed' headlines. Yup, it sunk. But I can still hold on to denial; nope, the entirety of Words of Radiance was non-canon... non-canon... non-canon... I cringed every time Shallan spoke to Renarin. It was like she hated his guts. You're not Feather in disguise... are you? 1
DreamEternal Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Maxal, I am talking about what he said way before the screaming. Especificaly, he said the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, and name dropped the Everstorm, just before Pattern said the voidspren were weaving a storm, that would blow in the wrong direction. Edited June 21, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
Guest Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Maxal, I am talking about what he said way before the screaming. Especificaly, he said the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, and name dropped the Everstorm, just before Pattern said the voidspren were weaving a storm, that would blow in the wrong direction. I would need to re-read this particular part to see how Renarin truly came out in this part, which I currently cannot do as my book lay 900km from where I currently am. However, I have a hard time not excusing Shallan for not taking heed to Renarin. From her point of vue, what has Renarin done so far? Not much. She finds him creepy and whiny, whether it is true or not, it is still how she currently feels about him. The one time she ever witnesses Dalinar asking Renarin to contribute was when he asked him to go and protect the scholars. He promptly protested against it while offering no valid explanations, that she could see, as to why. Honestly, no matter how many good reasons Renarin has to explain his behavior, Shallan is not privy to it: she only saw what she saw. What else if she supposed to think of him? I thus cannot blame her for not listening to him. Even if she did, even if she had prompted Renarin with questions, would it have helped? Probably not. Renarin would probably have lost his wits anyway and the results would have remained Shallan having to solve it all by herself.
Arondell Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Actually I don't think Shallan was present when Dalinar ordered Renarin to help the scholars. Renarin was giving a report to Dalinar from Shallan and Dalinar gave him orders in response to that. That being said when Shallan made the observation that he was "creepy and whiny" it is fair to say that Renarin was indeed being quite whiny. Just to be clear, I like Renarin. I think he is a fundamentally good person. On the other hand, just like every other surgebinder, he has serious issues that he is obviously going to have to get over to progress.
Guest Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Actually I don't think Shallan was present when Dalinar ordered Renarin to help the scholars. Renarin was giving a report to Dalinar from Shallan and Dalinar gave him orders in response to that. That being said when Shallan made the observation that he was "creepy and whiny" it is fair to say that Renarin was indeed being quite whiny. Just to be clear, I like Renarin. I think he is a fundamentally good person. On the other hand, just like every other surgebinder, he has serious issues that he is obviously going to have to get over to progress. Oh I did not write my previous post with the intention of saying "I hate Renarin". Renarin is not my favorite character, but I rather like him, as a whole. I don't understand him, but this is different matter all together. My previous post dealt with how Shallan must have perceived Renarin. From what she has seen so far, it is hard to blame her for not listening. She was not around when Dalinar ordered Renarin to accompany the scholars? I thought she was, so my bad if she wasn't. As I said, my book is not around, so I am going merely by memory. In any advent, I too thought Renarin was being both creepy and whiny at that point in time. Whatever good reasons he may have we, the readers and Shallan, have not been made privy to it. It is thus hard to come with a positive opinion of Renarin solely based on these events. Shallan's reaction to him is thus very understandable.
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I think Dalinar will be a cross of disappointment, disbelieving, crushed, a little relieved yet dismayed and perhaps a little more broken seeing as his oldest son is like his pride and joy and you've just found out he's possibly killed your once oldest friend in a really 'dishnourable' way. I believe it'll play out with adolin trying to hide his innocence for a short while then coming clean > trial > exile to perhaps Alethkar to deal with the riots where he'll perhaps *Aluminium-foil hat* start and/or complete his journey of possible Radiancy (i'm on the edgedancer boat given the order's first oath) but maybe not *Removes hat*. Although, Brandon could pull a whammy and decide to kill him instead, although I can't really see it happening. Public opinion on the matter will divided. Ialai will be out for blood and revenge, Shallan may initially be shocked but I think she'll come to some sort of understanding akin to Jasnah's earlier incident once she's had time to think on it, maybe even before then. Kaladin i think will have mixed feelings; he won't necessarily agree with it and how it was done but I can see him siding with Adolin. Renarin i think will be Adolin's Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor, refraining from judgement. The rest of Shattered Plains company and the other Highprinces.....would have an easier time of working out the ingredients for chouta
Nef Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I think that while both Dalinar and Kaladin will be able to empathise with Adolin's actions but they will both recognise the murder as a crime. Following this, I think Dalinar will feel that the honourable course of action is to administer some sort of justice in response to the crime. I feel that both Dalinar and Kaladin are in a camp of ethics where certain actions are wrong no matter the person's good intentions or the outcome. I think Dalinar has held this ethical position from the beginning (he follows a strict honour code), while Kaladin developed into this ethical position by the end of WoR. On the other hand I can see Shallan being able justifying Adolin's actions. She probably sits more in an ethical camp where an action can be justified based upon a person's good intentions for an overall beneficial outcome. Certainly she has no issue deploying good intentioned deception/subterfuge.
Bort he/him Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I think Elhokar will exile Adolin, but will relent to Dalinar's demands that he be allowed to keep his Shards (Which father wouldn't want to see their son protected, even if being banished?), and that will give him time alone with his Blade (only travelling companion - who else will he talk to?), which is what he needs to finally wake up the Spren. 1
Guest Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I am currently leaning on the "Adolin will auto-punish himself in order to absolve his guilt and in an attempt to gain forgiveness from his fahter even if he needs to kill himself to do so". I fundamentally believe Adolin will come clean, eventually. He is too blunt and honest to keep up with the pretense for too long. When he does so, his father will be crushed and it will triggered all sort of emotions in him, many related to his past as the Blackthorn. Dalinar's honor code will demand he severely punishes his son, but his heart will tell him otherwise. He will dwindle over the matter and in the mean time, Adolin will plunge farther into his own misery. He won't know how to deal with all of it and his instincts will tell him to try to "fix it" or "make it right" in any possible way. From there, he'll completely, literally uphold his father's codes and decides from his own volition he needs to pay for his crimes. In the middle of his turmoil, Adolin's idea of punishment will translate in something very brash and impulsive. Dalinar will be horrify when he'll realize what his son has done: he will be forced to revise his strict observance of his codes as seeing his son go all the way to fix his own mistakes will be like a slap in the face. In any advent, I am leaning towards the followings: 1) Adolin will tell someone. 2) Dalinar will react harshly, but won't know what course of actions to take. 3) Shallan will be the one to come up with the proper defense for Adolin, but not before crap hits the fan in between them. 4) Elhokar won't want to punish his cousin. 5) Adolin will despair immensely and will end up thinking his entire family does not love him anymore. 6) Adolin will do something very brash and impulsive. 7) Adolin will lose his Shards. Denouement. 8) Father and son will reconcile. 9) Dalinar will finally have the "father talk" with his eldest son and will open-up about his past as the Blackthorn, thus settling the riff between them. 10) Stuff will happen with Adolin's Blade somewhere in between. Quite frazzled, but pretty much how I have been seeing it for a while.
Numuhuku he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) One thing that should probably be considered before passing judgement on Adolin killing Sadeass, is that this wasn't exactly some unprecedented escalation. Even discounting Sadeass's betraying the Kholin's in battle, there was that whole bridge sabotage assassination attempt. That nearly killed his father and fiancee, along with many House Kholin soldiers and scribes. One COULD argue that since Tobol had escalated the house Kholin/Sadeass conflict into a game of assassins, that he really shouldn't have expected an encounter with a Kholin house member in an isolated place with no witnesses to not result in something quick and bloody. I could see many of the high princes figuring that Sadeass had it coming for instigating that feud with the Kholin's, but not being ready to handle the consequences of it. I think a lot of them would be more offended at the "impropriety" of Adolin doing it with a knife like a common footpad, and not doing something more gentlemanly. Like hiring footpads to construct a bridge over Sadeass's sleeping quarters at night, and to drop it on him. Honestly the real problem isn't that the other High Princes would be outraged by the assassination. The real problem is that they wouldn't be. They'd just take it to mean that even House Kholin is once again more influential, and even though they found this big shiny new ancient lost mystical city, it means that the typical underhanded games and bickering among the high princes is still very much the norm. And that perhaps they should be ready for such means against House Kholin should they come into disagreement. Which is why as an Oathbringer, Dalinar has to punish Adolin. Because he needs to demonstrate that the Alethi nobility are beyond that. Because if they're not, they won't be able to weather the coming storm. Adolin basically shot the head outlaw in cold blood in the lawless town right as his dad got sworn in as Sheriff. A week ago it would have been rough frontier justice. Now Adolin is a murderer. I fundamentally believe Adolin will come clean, eventually. He is too blunt and honest to keep up with the pretense for too long. He certainly could keep it hidden for awhile. Nobody is going to suspect Adolin randomly encountering and murdering Sadeass in that couple of moments he was alone as very likely theory. Some might consider a dedicated Kholin assassin as being plausible, but Ialai will have a tricky time petitioning for that to be investigated without many people suggesting that perhaps that Bridge assassination against the Kholin's should also be looked into. Not exactly a game Islai Sadeass can try to play. OTOH, that wouldn't keep them from trying to pin the murder on some random schlub. Which Isn't something I think Adolin could live with. That reminds me that a few of Rock's relatives are still serving in the Sadeass army. And if one or two of them were in that scouting detail near where Tobol was killed, that certainly would be a motive. Edited June 23, 2015 by Numuhuku
Guest Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 ... Severely punishing Adolin and making an example out of him may sound like the proper course of actions for Dalinar, but it may backfire on him. Why? Because many of the Highprinces will think Adolin had enough justification to warranty his murdering of Sadeas, though they would think it inelegant. Dalinar going too harsh on Adolin would set a precedent. If Dalinar is willing to prosecute his son and heir for the death of his sworn enemy without raising one single finger to protect him, what will he do to those who later fail to uphold his crazy code of conduct? How can they have faith Dalinar will look into their interests and not use any excuse to dispose of them if he so casually gets rid of a boy he claims to love? I think it is highly possible some of the Highprinces will get cold feet to follow such as heartless tyrant. Other reasons? How popular Adolin truly is among the common soldiers? After all, he did rescued a lowly prostitute within an enemy warcamp... Do we really think the woman remained quiet about her encounter with the Prince? Probably not. Surely she babbled how the handsome, charming prince saved her from a sure death and was gallant enough to talk to her as a human being while escorting her to safety. Words of such event probably never reached the eyes and ears of the upper crust of the society, but the lower crusts no doubt heard about it... How about him handing out shards, item worth a kingdom, to a lowly darkeyes, a bridgeman and a former slave? How about him imprisoning him for the unjust punishment issued to a darkeyed? As for his own soldiers... They love Adolin, they mourn their deaths and what do they see? Their Prince taking matter in his own hands, not afraid to dirty himself to avenge the deaths of their husbands, sons and brothers. So again, how popular is he right now? Not among the lighteyes, but he more numerous darkeyes? The soldiers, the commoners, the regular folks? By upholding the hard line with his son, Dalinar may effectively alienated himself a large chunk of his army, including the bridgemen. It may also make him appear heartless which may push some of the Highprinces to move against him as a stone cold tyrant is someone to fear and when you fear someone too much, you want him removed.
Numuhuku he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Because many of the Highprinces will think Adolin had enough justification to warranty his murdering of Sadeas, though they would think it inelegant. Dalinar going too harsh on Adolin would set a precedent. If Dalinar is willing to prosecute his son and heir for the death of his sworn enemy without raising one single finger to protect him, what will he do to those who later fail to uphold his crazy code of conduct? How can they have faith Dalinar will look into their interests and not use any excuse to dispose of them if he so casually gets rid of a boy he claims to love? I think it is highly possible some of the Highprinces will get cold feet to follow such as heartless tyrant. I think the fact that Dalinar would hypothetically be willing to prosecute his own beloved son, for a crime committed against his most hate enemy, is a sign that Dalinar was willing to be a mostly imperial arbiter of justice. It'd shock them, but I don't think they extrapolate that to mean the Kholin's were kill crazy...not in the way that Dalinar letting Adolin go totally unpunished would. Especially if it was very obvious that punishing Adolin pained Dalinar greatly. ...and keep in mind. Dalinar being called a tyrant or cold hearted are hardly the most effective insults in a world being ripped apart by an everstorm, and about to be overrun by Parshmen turned voidbringers. Dalinar being willing to play the part of the scary man with a big stick in times like that might not be the most unappealing thing to people. Edited June 23, 2015 by Numuhuku
Guest Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 I think the fact that Dalinar would hypothetically be willing to prosecute his own beloved son, for a crime committed against his most hate enemy, is a sign that Dalinar was willing to be a mostly imperial arbiter of justice. It'd shock them, but I don't think they extrapolate that to mean the Kholin's were kill crazy...not in the way that Dalinar letting Adolin go totally unpunished would. Especially if it was very obvious that punishing Adolin pained Dalinar greatly. ...and keep in mind. Dalinar being called a tyrant or cold hearted are hardly the most effective insults in a world being ripped apart by an everstorm, and about to be overrun by Parshmen turned voidbringers. Dalinar being willing to play the part of the scary man with a big stick in times like that might not be the most unappealing thing to people. The problem also lies within the fact Adolin's crime does not deserve the harsh line. If I were a Highprince, I would get very cold feet at seeing a man I thought I respected do this to his own son over the death of man guilty of slaughtering half his army. I think Desolation or no, there will be Highprinces to oppose themselves to give so much power to man incapable of showing compassion towards his flesh and bone, a boy everyone knows he loves. I am not saying everyone will disagree, but there will be people who won't take to it. By trying to unite by slaying his son, Dalinar may effectively rip Alethkar instead. I would be very surprised to read all people support Dalinar's decision, especially his own soldiers. You can't just hang your own son, for a forgivable crime, simply to justify your higher moral ground and hope people will follow you because a Desolation looms. It would be quite a turn of events if it happened this way: Brandon will have a hard time making it believable.
Numuhuku he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 The problem also lies within the fact Adolin's crime does not deserve the harsh line. If I were a Highprince, I would get very cold feet at seeing a man I thought I respected do this to his own son over the death of man guilty of slaughtering half his army. I think Desolation or no, there will be Highprinces to oppose themselves to give so much power to man incapable of showing compassion towards his flesh and bone, a boy everyone knows he loves. From a moral perspective I'd absolutely agree with that. There certainly were exonerating circumstances behind the murder. But they're not necessarily exonerating circumstances that are legally relevant (Sadeass technically broke no law by abandoning the Kholin's in battle, and "officially" did not try to have a bridge dropped out from under him). If Dalinar wants to create a unified Alethkar, he's going to have a hard time arguing that members of his household should be above the law. Also. I wouldn't attribute such humanitarian concerns to the highprinces. Most of those guys continued to associate with Sadeass even after he betrayed the Kholin's, and didn't follow Dalinar to the final battle. Most of them are still operating out of a position of solitary self-interest, and I think they'd be more concerned over a precedent that Kholin's can kill people who slight them with impunity, rather than Dalinar being willing to punish his own flesh and blood. I am not saying everyone will disagree, but there will be people who won't take to it. By trying to unite by slaying his son, Dalinar may effectively rip Alethkar instead. I would be very surprised to read all people support Dalinar's decision, especially his own soldiers. You can't just hang your own son, for a forgivable crime, simply to justify your higher moral ground and hope people will follow you because a Desolation looms. It would be quite a turn of events if it happened this way: Brandon will have a hard time making it believable. I don't think Ialai Sadeas would argue that Adolin killing her husband with a knife in a dark alley was a forgivable crime. And she'd vehemently argue as much to every other high prince who didn't accompany the Kholin's to the final battle. Maybe you could try dismissing House Sadeas as Cremlings, and the rest as gold bricks, so that their opinion shouldn't matter, You can't unify a kingdom when whose lives matter is determined solely by popularity in House Kholin. Dalinar being a Bondsmith also complicates things, since he's kind of magically bound to not break his oathe's. Not unless we want a reenactment of what happened to Syl with Stormfather. There's a lot of potential drama and conflict here, and I doubt Sanderson is just going to brush it all off by having everyone agree Sadeas had it coming, and go on their merry days. I for one am VERY interested in how it turns out. 1
Guest Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 From a moral perspective I'd absolutely agree with that. There certainly were exonerating circumstances behind the murder. But they're not necessarily exonerating circumstances that are legally relevant (Sadeass technically broke no law by abandoning the Kholin's in battle, and "officially" did not try to have a bridge dropped out from under him). If Dalinar wants to create a unified Alethkar, he's going to have a hard time arguing that members of his household should be above the law. They are. Brandon has stated in a WoB Adolin's actions did not violate some of the morality on Roshar, worst he did have legitimate reasons to justify himself. There a legal defense to be made for Adolin, he does not have to serve the capital punishment. It is not a matter of the Kohlin household being above the law, it is about trying to defend one of their own, especially since they there are capable of justifying Adolin's action in a legal manner. The question is will Dalinar try to defend his son or will he throw him under the gutter simply because he is incapable of tolerating faults in his own offspring? I do not think Dalinar will gain much support by prosecuting his own son: perhaps Ialai and the Ruthar will be satisfied, but I doubt the others will take to it lightly. Also. I wouldn't attribute such humanitarian concerns to the highprinces. Most of those guys continued to associate with Sadeass even after he betrayed the Kholin's, and didn't follow Dalinar to the final battle. Most of them are still operating out of a position of solitary self-interest, and I think they'd be more concerned over a precedent that Kholin's can kill people who slight them with impunity, rather than Dalinar being willing to punish his own flesh and blood. I don't think Ialai Sadeas would argue that Adolin killing her husband with a knife in a dark alley was a forgivable crime. And she'd vehemently argue as much to every other high prince who didn't accompany the Kholin's to the final battle. Maybe you could try dismissing House Sadeas as Cremlings, and the rest as gold bricks, so that their opinion shouldn't matter, You can't unify a kingdom when whose lives matter is determined solely by popularity in House Ruthar and Aladar supported Sadeas, the others were indecisive. I would not consider all of the Highprinces as petty and selfish. Hanging or banishing your own son over a crime easily excusable won't sit well with them all: they have children for the most part. Ruthar will most likely cheer, but the others? Sure Ialai will be happy, but there are 10 princedoms. Perhaps others will brush it away, but rest assure they will plot in Dalinar's back to over-throw him. I cannot fathom everyone will cheer over Adolin's fate and simply keep on backing down Dalinar. It is not a matter of popularity of house Kohlin, it is a matter of justice. Adolin did have valid reasons to kill Sadeas, to ignore them is to keep on perpetuating the same quibbles that plagues Alethkar in the past. Why should Adolin be forced to pay for Sadeas's death when Sadeas was allowed to walk free? Everyone knows what he did... Disposing of Adolin sends the message some crimes are acceptable (killing darkeyes soldiers) whereas others are not (killing a murderous Highprince). And how about the soldiers? Will they back their Highprinces? Words of the rebellion in Kohlinar must have arrived in Urithiru, will they meekly accept this turn of events? Dalinar being a Bondsmith also complicates things, since he's kind of magically bound to not break his oathe's. Not unless we want a reenactment of what happened to Syl with Stormfather. There's a lot of potential drama and conflict here, and I doubt Sanderson is just going to brush it all off by having everyone agree Sadeas had it coming, and go on their merry days. I for one am VERY interested in how it turns out. Dalinar has sworn to unite and not divide. I fail to see how he could accomplish this feat by dividing his family... Unity must start from within. I never said everyone will agree Sadeas had it coming: I have stated that if Daliar goes too hard on his son, there will be people to strongly disagree and it may destroy his desire of unity more than it would help. The Highprinces are 10 people. How many darkeyes again? How many soldiers? How many support do you think Adolin will have? None? Everyone will agree he needs to die for Sadeas? Heck no.
Nef Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) The problem also lies within the fact Adolin's crime does not deserve the harsh line. If I were a Highprince, I would get very cold feet at seeing a man I thought I respected do this to his own son over the death of man guilty of slaughtering half his army. I think Desolation or no, there will be Highprinces to oppose themselves to give so much power to man incapable of showing compassion towards his flesh and bone, a boy everyone knows he loves. I would think if Dalinar was lenient towards Adolin simply because he's his son, a lot of people would see that as corruption. IRL, for instance, if a politician's son committed a murder and got away with a slap on the wrists due to the position of their parent, people would be outraged. I actually think a lot of people would think Adolin's actions as outrageous, irrespective of Sadeas being a huge scum bag. Adolin basically decided to rage kill Sadeas, there were no special circumstances to argue such as self-defence. A civilised course of action would have been to gather evidence against Sadeas and then try him - then a death penalty can be administered. Edited June 23, 2015 by Nef 1
hoser he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Maybe I'm missing something, but the way this plays out seems to me to be driven by the story Brandon wants to tell. We know so little about the world that Brandon can manipulate the backstory to create any scenario. If we take that as a given, we get to guessing what Brandon wants to have happen. Here are the most obvious possibilities I see: Adolin breaks, has crisis and is remade as a Radiant: This seems most likely to me. He is a major character chosen by a Ryshadium who has been becoming more honorable (he's even experiencing the Thrill less!) that could already have a spren (that he's not aware of) or be able to revive one from his sword. Adolin is executed: This seems anticlimactic and wastes investment in character Adolin continues as is: This wastes opportunity to grow Adolin as character and dramatic potential. Why even have Adolin kill him? Adolin turns to Odium: This seems unlikely given his trajectory, but would be amazingly dramatic Assuming he is not executed, does he get exiled? Does Brandon want Adolin together with Shallan and his family for the next part of the story? There's more potential for Adolin's development if he is apart IMO, but is a separate thread beneficial for the next book as a whole? Is there another thread that is going to occur anyway that he could participate in? If Brandon wants another thread, he can be exiled, separated by circumstances or take on a mission of some sort. Levers Brandon controls: What rights Ialai or any potential Sadeas heirs have (when Sadeas killed a highprince, Gavilar ended up with an ally (Aladar) becoming the successor) Who will even try to enforce such rights (is there even a semblance of an independent judiciary?)? Everything else in the worldCosmere Edited June 23, 2015 by hoser 1
DreamEternal Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 There is an independent judiciary by the looks of it actualy, since when Elhokar arrested Moach's grandparents under Roshone's request they had the right of a fair trial. Of course, it isn't strong or independent enough to stop him from delaying the trial indefinitely.
hoser he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) There is an independent judiciary by the looks of it actualy, since when Elhokar arrested Moach's grandparents under Roshone's request they had the right of a fair trial. Of course, it isn't strong or independent enough to stop him from delaying the trial indefinitely. Exactly! Kaladin's parents were darkeyed and had a right of inquest. Remember the judge at Adolin's big duel. Even solid laws are meaningless without someone willing to enforce them. If the king doesn't want someone arrested, is it likely to happen? Brandon can make it happen so as to create what he considers the best story. Edited June 23, 2015 by hoser
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