Dalinar, Sadeas's murder and public opinion

[Guest]

I would think if Dalinar was lenient towards Adolin simply because he's his son, a lot of people would see that as corruption.

 

IRL, for instance, if a politician's son committed a murder and got away with a slap on the wrists due to the position of their parent, people would be outraged.

 

I actually think a lot of people would think Adolin's actions as outrageous, irrespective of Sadeas being a huge scum bag. Adolin basically decided to rage kill Sadeas, there were no special circumstances to argue such as self-defence. A civilised course of action would have been to gather evidence against Sadeas and then try him - then a death penalty can be administered.

 

According to Dalinar, there are people who would disagree, but there also is others who would agree. It ain't black and white, not everyone will by horrified by what he did.

 

As for Dalinar, I do not think he needs to be lenient, but he needs to provide a throughout fair trial for his son during which Adolin's actions would be weighted against Sadeas's treachery and threat. Dalinar cannot simply condemn his son on the spot: if he does so, he will lose support, of that I am convinced. A fair trial would underline Adolin had legitimate motives to slay Sadeas and would most likely step out with a light sentence. Quite probably, he would need to hand over his Shards, in a public manner and repay House Sadeas with either land or Shards. He may be forced to abduct from his title as heir, but I do not think a fair trial would ensue him a death or a banishment sentence.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but the way this plays out seems to me to be driven by the story Brandon wants to tell.  We know so little about the world that Brandon can manipulate the backstory to create any scenario. 

If we take that as a given, we get to guessing what Brandon wants to have happen. 

Here are the most obvious possibilities I see:

• Adolin breaks, has crisis and is remade as a Radiant: This seems most likely to me.  He is a major character chosen by a Ryshadium who has been becoming more honorable (he's even experiencing the Thrill less!) that could already have a spren (that he's not aware of) or be able to revive one from his sword.
• Adolin is executed: This seems anticlimactic and wastes investment in character
• Adolin continues as is: This wastes opportunity to grow Adolin as character and dramatic potential. Why even have Adolin kill him?
• Adolin turns to Odium:  This seems unlikely given his trajectory, but would be amazingly dramatic

 

I absolutely agree with number one: it would be the natural and more interesting path for Adolin as a character. It would also make the best character development and would yield the best reading experience. However, since Brandon has expressed he will not make Adolin one of his main protagonists, I fear his development will be minimal. I deeply fear he will simply use Adolin's ordeal as a growth factor for Dalinar and Renarin as opposed to Adolin's himself by virtue of the former being main characters.

 

I thus fear the "best character development" for Adolin won't happen because Brandon, for some obscure reason, does not want to use him as one of his main protagonists. Why? I keep being baffled by it.

 

Number two is a true waste, I agree. Why spend time trying to give the reader the impression Adolin may become an interesting character only to kill him such as to provide, again, growth for Dalinar and Renarin? It would be awful.

 

Number three is another waste, I agree, but I fear the story may go this way. You ask why then have Adolin kill Sadeas? Because it will fuel Dalinar and Renarin's character growth.

 

Number 4 won't happen. Brandon has stated as much, so I do not fear for Adolin to fall prey to the dark side. If such a plot happens, it won't be through him.

 

 

 

Assuming he is not executed, does he get exiled?  Does Brandon want Adolin together with Shallan and his family for the next part of the story?  There's more potential for Adolin's development if he is apart IMO, but is a separate thread beneficial for the next book as a whole?  Is there another thread that is going to occur anyway that he could participate in?  If Brandon wants another thread, he can be exiled, separated by circumstances or take on a mission of some sort. 

 

The Adolin gets exiled story plot could either be fascinating or yield to another waste of character. Imagine Brandon sends Adolin into banishment only to have him disapepear from the story for a whole book, only to bring him back to the last minute in book 5. It would entirely disappointing and since Adolin is not a major character, him going into exile will surely result in him vanishing for the main story arc.

 

I personally think Adolin's arc is more interesting if he does not get exiled and I do believe he has enough ground to avoid it.

[Nef]

According to Dalinar, there are people who would disagree, but there also is others who would agree. It ain't black and white, not everyone will by horrified by what he did.

 

As for Dalinar, I do not think he needs to be lenient, but he needs to provide a throughout fair trial for his son during which Adolin's actions would be weighted against Sadeas's treachery and threat. Dalinar cannot simply condemn his son on the spot: if he does so, he will lose support, of that I am convinced. A fair trial would underline Adolin had legitimate motives to slay Sadeas and would most likely step out with a light sentence. Quite probably, he would need to hand over his Shards, in a public manner and repay House Sadeas with either land or Shards. He may be forced to abduct from his title as heir, but I do not think a fair trial would ensue him a death or a banishment sentence.

 

I guess without actually knowing how the law works, its hards to speculate on what if any punishment will be administered.

 

I 100% agree that there are facts surrounding Adolin's action's that can be used in his defence. However, my response was more in respects to the possibility of Adolin being Dalinar's son having an impact on the leniency of his sentence.

[Guest]

I guess without actually knowing how the law works, its hards to speculate on what if any punishment will be administered.

 

I 100% agree that there are facts surrounding Adolin's action's that can be used in his defence. However, my response was more in respects to the possibility of Adolin being Dalinar's son having an impact on the leniency of his sentence.

 

I just re-read my message... I meant Brandon not Dalinar in the first sentence. I meant Brandon has confirmed there were people who would support Adolin, though he also said there would be people who would strongly disagree. Everyone has assumed Dalinar would be one of the later.

 

I think Adolin being Dalinar's son will worsen the sentence as opposed to lessen it. Dalinar has always been harder on Adolin than on anyone else and upon hearing what his son has done, he may feel the incentive to go harder than ever on him, because he is his son. Had the culprit been someone else, I'd wager Dalinar would be tempted to be more compassionate. 

 

I do not know what kind of sentence Adolin will get, but I'd wager Dalinar will come to regret his decision. Part of his arc will be learning he can't unite while dividing his family and he must learn to be guiding as opposed to enforcing and since Dalinar has always needed strong examples to learn... I fear for the worst. I think events will make him remember he actually loves his son and he can't sacrifice him to unite, not over Toroll Sadeas.

[Humpty he/him]

    Justice isn't the same thing as murder. What happened was justice... Its not like he stabbed him in the back. it was a fair fight and Adolin was in the right for defending the honor of his family. You people act like what he did was this horrible act or something. Lets not forget he murdered thousands of people in an effort to destory the Kholins. And dont give me that crap about him being a high prince therefore immune to any kind of reprisal.

[natc]

He is probably legally immune to that kind of reprisal at least, which is going to be a problem. We all know Sadeas had it coming to him and so do the other highprinces after the incident at the Tower, but you can't just walk up to someone, attack them, stab them to death in the eye, and just walk away like you didn't break a law somewhere.

This kind of justice is the very kind that even the Herald of Justice himself would get pissed over. If Adolin ever becomes Radiant this will probably bite him in the backside unless he can get himself pardoned.

Edited August 13, 2015 by natc

[mirahound she/her]

Personally, I think Dalinar is going to be incredibly angry with Adolin, but I also think there is a reason the next book is going to involve Dalinar flashbacks, and the reason is because Dalinar is going to have to confront his past and decide how much he can really do to Adolin without also condemning himself. In his youth, I think Dalinar would have done exactly the same thing, which means whatever happens to Adolin, he'll be wondering if it should have been done to him as well. I think the ramifications mentioned in WoB will involve Dalinar having to confront his past as Adolin confronts his future.

 

As for Shallan, I think she'll handle it better than people may assume. We've seen her kill people before. Storms, strangling her father while singing him to sleep was one of the creepiest moments in the entire book! I think she'll look at Adolin and see a reflection of herself. Whether she'll consider that a good thing or a bad thing is still up in the air, but I don't think she'll hate him for it.

[Shadowspren he/him]

For some reason my computer isn't letting me paste the quote I'm trying to, but Aleksiel, I disagree with you about Kaladin frowning upon what Adolin did for a couple reasons.

 

Personally Kaladin will probably be fairly relieved that Sadeas is dead since he caused Kal so much grief. But in another since, in a way killing Sadeas was what was right to do. Sadeas was murdering and attempting to murder some of the people that will save the most lives. His plotting, had it come to fruition, would have had devastating effects on all of life on Roshar and by killing him Adolin removed a threat to all the people who live on Roshar. And about the killing a man quietly in the dark reference, that seems to be about assassination, so since Adolin didn't really assassinate Sadeas Kaladin probably wont disagree with anything Adolin did.

I agree, Kaladin and Adolin became pretty tight near the end of WoR... Plus, Adolin believed Kal about Amaram. Syl won't like it, but I think Kal will side with Adolin when he finds out. Just because he finally decided not to kill Elhokar doesn't mean he'll feel the same way about Sadeas.

 

There will be ramifications to what happened, certain characters won't like it... What about Szeth!? dunno if this has been brought up yet, but he's a Truthwatcher now... If/when he finds out, he will seek to bring down the law... and I think that might even be taking Adolin's execution into his own hands... 

 

In which case, Kaladin might seek to protect him... Whether or not he broke the law he can't fight a Radiant and win... so Kal might protect him... but then there would be another fight between Kal and Szeth which I don't think will happen, unless it was just to show the confusion on Kal's face when he sees Szeth alive...

 

And I don't think Adolin would admit to killing Sadeas straight up... but Pattern would probably see right through the lie...

[Guest]

 

Personally, I think Dalinar is going to be incredibly angry with Adolin, but I also think there is a reason the next book is going to involve Dalinar flashbacks, and the reason is because Dalinar is going to have to confront his past and decide how much he can really do to Adolin without also condemning himself. In his youth, I think Dalinar would have done exactly the same thing, which means whatever happens to Adolin, he'll be wondering if it should have been done to him as well. I think the ramifications mentioned in WoB will involve Dalinar having to confront his past as Adolin confronts his future.

 

As for Shallan, I think she'll handle it better than people may assume. We've seen her kill people before. Storms, strangling her father while singing him to sleep was one of the creepiest moments in the entire book! I think she'll look at Adolin and see a reflection of herself. Whether she'll consider that a good thing or a bad thing is still up in the air, but I don't think she'll hate him for it.

 

I think Dalinar will have to come into terms with his past as the Blackthorn. He has been projecting himself a lot into his son, treating him as a younger version of himself who needs to be encapsulate within many rules to avoid any missteps. However, I do believe Dalinar has been doing a mistake with his son: Adolin is not him. Where he was angry and jealous, Adolin is caring and selfless. They are both emotional persons, but whereas Dalinar needed to wall-in this side of him to avoid losing control, Adolin needs let his speak more often and he needs to learn to use them effectively. He allowed himself to be worked up to the point of no return. Dalinar requires an empty room to decompress; Adolin needs a... blanket. 

 

I do think Dalinar, you are right in stating it, will be confronted with the kind of justice he wants. He was allowed leeway for much worst crimes than his son: how does he justify going this hard on Adolin? I also hope part of the flashback will give us some insight as to why little Adolin grew up worshiping his father so much... as I do think part of the answer, for Dalinar, will be to remember how much he actually loves his son and how he needs to be a father to him... which implies actually trying to help the kid instead of crucifying him for having killed a known threat guilty of not only murder, but launching near open war declaration. I could see a plot line where Dalinar tries to convict his own self for his past crimes as a measure of justice.

 

Adolin has a lot more to learn from the ordeal... He has to finish growing into the man he is supposed to be as opposed to the one Dalinar decided he should be. I suspect coming in terms with his present and everything else he may or may not have dealt with will push him over the edge.

 

I do not think Shallan will react as badly as people assume.

 

I agree, Kaladin and Adolin became pretty tight near the end of WoR... Plus, Adolin believed Kal about Amaram. Syl won't like it, but I think Kal will side with Adolin when he finds out. Just because he finally decided not to kill Elhokar doesn't mean he'll feel the same way about Sadeas.

 

There will be ramifications to what happened, certain characters won't like it... What about Szeth!? dunno if this has been brought up yet, but he's a Truthwatcher now... If/when he finds out, he will seek to bring down the law... and I think that might even be taking Adolin's execution into his own hands... 

 

In which case, Kaladin might seek to protect him... Whether or not he broke the law he can't fight a Radiant and win... so Kal might protect him... but then there would be another fight between Kal and Szeth which I don't think will happen, unless it was just to show the confusion on Kal's face when he sees Szeth alive...

 

And I don't think Adolin would admit to killing Sadeas straight up... but Pattern would probably see right through the lie...

 

I do not see why Kaladin has to only approve of people who behaves as he would... With that idea in head, he should shun every single individual who is not a Windrunner as nobody else than they would embrace his entire philosophy. So agreeing or disagreeing about the action does not matter: Adolin's intentions were good ones and I do think Kaladin will stand by his friend.

 

Szeth is not a Truthwatcher, Renarin is. In fact, Szeth is not a Radiant at all and even if he were, he would still have no interest in Adolin as he is not a surgebinder.

 

Adolin will talk. He is honest, direct and not secretive nor introspective. Chances are he is a horrible liar to begin with. The question is not if, but when.

[Numuhuku he/him]

 

I do not think Shallan will react as badly as people assume.

 

Yeah. I think Shallan would be more worried about Adolin getting into trouble, than being upset that Adolin killed the guy who dropped a bridge out from under her.

[Guest]

Yeah. I think Shallan would be more worried about Adolin getting into trouble, than being upset that Adolin killed the guy who dropped a bridge out from under her.

 

I see a strong likelihood between Shallan's murdering her family and Adolin murdering Sadeas. Both acts were unpremeditated. Both acts were spontaneous. Both acts were conducted to protect a love one. Both acts were needed, but both act required direct threat to happen.

 

The major difference is Adolin was too emotional and lost control of himself. This is a side of him he'll need to learn to control.

[Humpty he/him]

    Adolin could simply state in his defense that he "Executed" him in order to preserve the nation. The fat slug pretty much admitted to being an enemy of the state (that state being Urithiru and the Knights Radiant). If you look at the sitituation from this point of view, being in Urithiru and not in Alethkar. hince the jurisdiction falling to Dalanar and the Radiants not the king or the other highprinces. I can see Brandon going in this direction simply to separate the Knights Radiant and Alethkar. I can see the other highprinces and the king getting pissed about Adolin doing what he did However, I do believe at this point the Dalanar and the other members of the knight's Radiant will step in and tell the rest of those people. This is not Alethkar this is Urithiru and we owe allegiance to no single nation.  Any form of punishment should come from the members of the knights radiant if at all. Hopefully with a vote among the four. If kaladin makes it back in time, we know he wont care probably give Adolin a cheer. Shallan wont care either b/c she was already involved in ploting Sadeas's downfall, Renarin wont do anything drastic to his own brother, and Dalanar might get upset however,  he would never allow anything to happen to Adolin. Worse case he will get exiled to Alethkar.

[Guest]

It is not so simple... Adolin broke his father's code which means everything to him. He has been drilled for years to obey to his father's words. He has come to understand why his father impose these rules. He was determined to uphold his father ideals.

 

Look at chapter 50:

 

Killing Sadeas now - no matter how much he deserved it - would undermine the very laws and codes Adolin's father was working so hard to uphold

 

Nothing matters more to Adolin than following his father, his hero, his role model. And now, he broke it. Worst, he lost control. He had too much on his plate and he did not have the requisite buffer to resist Sadeas's attack as he previously did back in chapter 50. Emotions rushed in, they added themselves to those he was already trying to deal with and he couldn't reign them in anymore. He acted out of anger and whereas it will probably be acknowledge, eventually, he did the world a favor by removing a threat, he still did it the wrong way, by losing control, by doing the one thing his father has tried to drill out of him.

 

So no, I do not think Adolin will plead any defense at all. He will simply state he is not sorry the man died, but he is sorry for how and when he did it. He will take full responsibility, head bowed, and accept punishment. In the advent punishment does not come his way, he may try to bring it his way to absolve his guilt or he may think he needs to take drastic measure to make sure the world understand Dalinar was not behind it. In any way, I doubt Adolin will plead much defense or argue about it too much. 

 

The argument they are in Urithiru and not Alethkar has been brought forward in the past. It could be it will be used to move the case towards the Radiants and not the king. It is not impossible. In that optic, the Radiants would not go too hard on him... I think, but what will hurt Adolin more than any punishment is losing his father's trust and knowing he failed him.

[Numuhuku he/him]

Part of the issue is that even if certain people feel that Adolin can be partially excused just for killing Sadeas, it might be harder to excuse any unintended fallout from the killing. Like the kind of suspicion and uncertainty it will generate. Maybe the readers understands why Sadeas was killed, but the rest of the Alethi don't. Maybe the Kholin's did it. Maybe it was one of Sadeas's underlings. Maybe it was the Parshendi survivors lurking around Urithiru in secret passages.  Maybe the assassin in white is still alive. Nagging doubts like that have the potential to turn Urithiru into a nut house for months on out.

[Humpty he/him]

It is not so simple... Adolin broke his father's code which means everything to him. He has been drilled for years to obey to his father's words. He has come to understand why his father impose these rules. He was determined to uphold his father ideals.

 

Look at chapter 50:

 

Killing Sadeas now - no matter how much he deserved it - would undermine the very laws and codes Adolin's father was working so hard to uphold

 

Nothing matters more to Adolin than following his father, his hero, his role model. And now, he broke it. Worst, he lost control. He had too much on his plate and he did not have the requisite buffer to resist Sadeas's attack as he previously did back in chapter 50. Emotions rushed in, they added themselves to those he was already trying to deal with and he couldn't reign them in anymore. He acted out of anger and whereas it will probably be acknowledge, eventually, he did the world a favor by removing a threat, he still did it the wrong way, by losing control, by doing the one thing his father has tried to drill out of him.

 

So no, I do not think Adolin will plead any defense at all. He will simply state he is not sorry the man died, but he is sorry for how and when he did it. He will take full responsibility, head bowed, and accept punishment. In the advent punishment does not come his way, he may try to bring it his way to absolve his guilt or he may think he needs to take drastic measure to make sure the world understand Dalinar was not behind it. In any way, I doubt Adolin will plead much defense or argue about it too much. 

 

The argument they are in Urithiru and not Alethkar has been brought forward in the past. It could be it will be used to move the case towards the Radiants and not the king. It is not impossible. In that optic, the Radiants would not go too hard on him... I think, but what will hurt Adolin more than any punishment is losing his father's trust and knowing he failed him.

 

   Yeah your right about that losing his fathers trust and failing him part.  I do hope BS Seperates Urithiru from Alethkar though and this Adolin thing could be the perfect chance to do so.

[Guest]

Part of the issue is that even if certain people feel that Adolin can be partially excused just for killing Sadeas, it might be harder to excuse any unintended fallout from the killing. Like the kind of suspicion and uncertainty it will generate. Maybe the readers understands why Sadeas was killed, but the rest of the Alethi don't. Maybe the Kholin's did it. Maybe it was one of Sadeas's underlings. Maybe it was the Parshendi survivors lurking around Urithiru in secret passages.  Maybe the assassin in white is still alive. Nagging doubts like that have the potential to turn Urithiru into a nut house for months on out.

 

I think we are dealing with two effects. On one side, you have the culprit, Adolin. On the other side, you have the Highprinces. How can they be convinced Adolin was not following his father's orders? How can they truly have faith Dalinar is not being it?

 

They will be suspicious and uncertain, which is why I think Adolin will do something very brash. He'll try to make it known it was him and only him who brought it forward.

 

I see it also go as you say, providing Adolin can keep his mouth shut for that long... They will wonder who did it... but the news it is Adolin... That will be a HUGE deal. Poor kid. He's in for a harsh ride and for the sake of Sadeas to boot it all.

[Numuhuku he/him]

How can they truly have faith Dalinar is not being it?

 

 

Honestly I think a lot of the high princes could tolerate the idea that Dalinar had orchestrated a clandestine assassination of Sadeas. He'd certainly provoked the Kholin's enough. And those kinds of dynastic feuds seldom end peacefully. Most probably assumed that one of those men was going to die, and that it not being Dalinar simply meant house kholin was stronger. If Dalinar was to simply shrug off Sadea's death as "an unfortunate tragedy", I think most of the high princes would be content to let it rest.

 

What will likely hurt Dalinar, is that he almost certainly won't just let people assume he assassinated Sadeas. He'll be publically earnest about finding out what happened, perhaps even appointing a new high prince of information to lead the investigation. Dalinar won't just leave a blatant threat like that unchecked. Perhaps so much that many of the high princes will doubt the Kholin's actually did it. Which will be bad, since then they'll spend all their time worrying about who or what did.

 

In a situation like that, if it came out that it was really Adolin who did it, I think the High Princes would be quite angry. Since Dalinar would have appeared to have been openly duplicitous for all his talk about conducting a fair investigation. It might also appear that he diverted suspicion from himself deliberately to weaken the high princes by subjecting them to paranoia and suspicion. 

 

Strangely enough, things would be much easier to handle if Adolin had simply murdered Sadeas in broad daylight.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Numuhuku

[Guest]

He renounces the king's authority, Adolin thought. Storms, this was bad.

 

...

 

Nearby, his short bridgeman guard - the one with the silver at the temples - gave Adolin a nod of respect.

 

This happens in chapter 50, again, a nice one for Adolin character's development, lot's and lot's of stuff in it. The short bridgeman with silver at the temples likely is Skar whic coincidentally is one of the two that decided to go against Kaladin's orders and follow Adolin into battle. This is the chapter where Sadeas threatens Dalinar: he does not explicitly state he would kill Dalinar, but he heavily implies it. 

 

You'll make a fine highprince in the coming months.

 

Right before that, he renounced his title of Highprince of Information in defiance of the king's authority and stipulates all of the others were to do the same.

 

It is near treason.

 

And Skar is a known witness. He nodded his approval to Adolin, the very man Kaladin spends all his leisure time hating at that point in time in the story. 

 

Does anyone think this will come into play in the future? If Sadeas is known to have broken the law in advance, then it lessens Adolin's actions... as after all, he was speaking treason, much like he did in the end, except, this time, there was a witness. Even better, Brandon left clues for us, the readers, to identify the bridgeman in question. He did not have to described him, but he did and Brandon never writes words for no reason.

 

On the side line, do we have confirmation Skar was one of the bridgemen who was glowing? Was Teft ever near him to have seen it? Just asking, just because.

[Arondell]

 

On the side line, do we have confirmation Skar was one of the bridgemen who was glowing? Was Teft ever near him to have seen it? Just asking, just because.

 

I don't think we have confirmation, other then Lopen, but there are a few I would be willing to bet money on.  Skar, Rock, and Teft I'm certain with a high probability that all the original surviving members of bridge four with the obvious exception of Moash.  The big question in my mind is whether or not Rlain will be able to infuse.

Edited August 20, 2015 by Arondell

[DreamEternal]

I don't think we have confirmation, other then Lopen, but there are a few I would be willing to bet money on. Skar, Rock, and Teft I'm certain with a high probability that all the original surviving members of bridge four with the obvious exception of Moash. The big question in my mind is whether or not Rlain will be able to infuse.

While Brandon RAFOed all questions about listeners becoming KR, he confirmed it was possible for them to become squires, even if historicaly it didn't happen.

[Awesomness]

While Brandon RAFOed all questions about listeners becoming KR, he confirmed it was possible for them to become squires, even if historicaly it didn't happen.

I´m looking forward to see what will happen with Rlain and the rest of the Listeners (those who were prisoners and deserted).

 

As for Adolin, I think he will be quite broken with guilt. He will feel unworthy of his father, and his family, and quite everyone. Additionally, he will be dealing with the fact that shardbearers are "old fashioned" now, and "surgebinders rock". Yes, he´ll be having quite a hard time, poor lad.

On the other hand, Dalinar... he´ll be heartbroken. It will be a hard blow for his reputation and, being a leader, he will have to be fair with his judgment. He can´t let his feelings interfere. So he´ll have to do what is necessary to keep control over the brightlords, unite them and resist the Everstorm. And there atre the riots in Kholinar too... Dalinar will have lots of responsibilities so this will be a hard blow.

 

My bet is that Adolin will lose his shards and be exiled. He will hang around and see how the real world is for darkeyes and humble people, and will learn all kind of new stuff and see the world with new eyes. Eventually he will feel worthy again of his father and come back (probably) in a very heroic way.

[DreamEternal]

I´m looking forward to see what will happen with Rlain and the rest of the Listeners (those who were prisoners and deserted).

As for Adolin, I think he will be quite broken with guilt. He will feel unworthy of his father, and his family, and quite everyone. Additionally, he will be dealing with the fact that shardbearers are "old fashioned" now, and "surgebinders rock". Yes, he´ll be having quite a hard time, poor lad.

On the other hand, Dalinar... he´ll be heartbroken. It will be a hard blow for his reputation and, being a leader, he will have to be fair with his judgment. He can´t let his feelings interfere. So he´ll have to do what is necessary to keep control over the brightlords, unite them and resist the Everstorm. And there atre the riots in Kholinar too... Dalinar will have lots of responsibilities so this will be a hard blow.

My bet is that Adolin will lose his shards and be exiled. He will hang around and see how the real world is for darkeyes and humble people, and will learn all kind of new stuff and see the world with new eyes. Eventually he will feel worthy again of his father and come back (probably) in a very heroic way.

I am of the opinion that Adolin will actualy build a new life for himself while in exile, helping people wherever they need and learning how to be happy on his own, far away from his family. This will also help disperse the biased opinion that he is just a spoiled prince and allow more growth from Renarin and Dalinar. Plus, it will help introduce some characters far from Urithiru into the main plot and show us the rest of the world.

Also, on a more personal note, I dislike both current Shallan ships(and Shallarin, wich died before being born), so it would be nice to introduce some concorrence.

Oh, and I hope Redin(Valam's bastard) finds his way back into the plotline, since I think he would make a nice Skybreaker. Yes, it was a totaly random statement, but I wanted to say so.

Edited August 22, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern

[Guest]

My bet is that Adolin will lose his shards and be exiled. He will hang around and see how the real world is for darkeyes and humble people, and will learn all kind of new stuff and see the world with new eyes. Eventually he will feel worthy again of his father and come back (probably) in a very heroic way.

 

It has been one of my speculation for him, but not my favorite. I am deeply afraid Adolin in exile would equal less Adolin's POV or worst, no Adolin POV at all for an entire book. 

 

I wonder how long it would take for Adolin to feel worthy again of Dalinar... probably a decade      One of my speculative plot line for him involving the exile is he ends up learning of a threat to the Radiants and he risks everything to warn them. He comes back as the prodigy son, but he is broken now. His family can see how they have hurt him and it gets sad.

 

 

I am of the opinion that Adolin will actualy build a new life for himself while in exile, helping people wherever they need and learning how to be happy on his own, far away from his family. This will also help disperse the biased opinion that he is just a spoiled prince and allow more growth from Renarin and Dalinar. Plus, it will help introduce some characters far from Urithiru into the main plot and show us the rest of the world.

 

There is good in the Adolin in exile potential plot line, but I happen to love the father/son relationship so much I kinda want to see it play through. I also want Dalinar to come to the conclusion he needs to forgive his son on his own and I want him to act as a father, for once. I want him to be guiding as he supposed to be. Though the two do not have to be mutually exclusive... If such plot does not have the side effect of throwing Adolin out of the main story arc, then I am all for it.

 

Heart-broken Adolin in exile who still finds in him the strength to care for the random poor people he meets along his way does have some appeal... Now the idea is to try to fit in the Blade revival story arc..................

[AerionBFII he/him]

I hardly think Sadeas will be missed by anybody maybe except for his wife....but it will be a spot on Dalinars brand new regime and it will also give the highPrinces something to grumble about but lets not forget the WR Radiants would not aprove of Adolins actions but several other orders would.

There might be an enquiry but I hardly think it will be as major as everybody thinks it will be...

[Guest]

I hardly think Sadeas will be missed by anybody maybe except for his wife....but it will be a spot on Dalinars brand new regime and it will also give the highPrinces something to grumble about but lets not forget the WR Radiants would not aprove of Adolins actions but several other orders would.

There might be an enquiry but I hardly think it will be as major as everybody thinks it will be...

 

It has to be a major milestone in Adolin's character development. If this is dropped, then this will be a major disappointment. Brandon can't just end his book with such a cliffhanger and not exploit it within the next book... Now will it mean exile or something more drastic, I am unsure. I am more of the idea Adolin won't be exiled, tarnished, maybe disinherited, but not exiled.

 

However, it should be used to propel Adolin's character development and Dalinar in parallel. It would also fuel more depth into the father/son relationship as they are driven apart, but brought back together in dire circumstances. Or this is how I see it.

[DreamEternal]

Continuing with my previous line of thought, I actualy would prefer that if Adolin got exiled and eventualy found a new life for himself, he wasn't forced to reconcile with his father. Any reconciliation and reunion should happen only because both wish it, after the action. It annoys me when all important character development happens because of some immediate danger forcing it(AKA:"You must find the words, Kaladin")