Long Game 92: Process of Elimination

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

 

 

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It's a day action so perhaps it can't interact with trolls? From what I know trolls only affect night actions. But then the only actions that we know that can be trolled are night actions.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Trolling is a night action. All day roles are presumably unaffected

ED1T: Lol ninja'd

Edited January 30, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Stick. she/her]

Oh. Striker's role would've been very useful and 100% reliable then RIP.

[Ashbringer he/him]

16 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

What is the Archivist?

LG66/77's F-Copper. Basically does what your other thing does, learns one random fact about something that happened that cycle. Although I don't think it could grab Alignments.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Do you know if we get informed when a Troll targets us? That got PAFO'd for me, but Aman's first post from this turn seems to suggest he knew he got Trolled.

I was told I would not be informed if I was trolled.

3 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

I go to sleep for a normal period of time and the number of posts doubles in this stupid thread again
How is any normal person supposed to keep up with this

I just read really fast.

2 hours ago, Archer said:

Couldn't an elim correctly guess you're a villager? 

I don't see E!Aman asking e!TUN to fake claim to double down on a gambit they were going to pass off as a reaction test later anyway. I also don't see e!TUN fake claiming for the lulz when they're wary about a v!Aman trap. So therefore v!TUN if soccer roles are fake. Aman could be evil still. They soft backed off of the gambit slightly too early by asking Wiz to PM them. 

I know at least one soccer role is real, the rest I severely doubt. No, this does not change my read of Aman. He is locked firmly into the 'I would kill if given the chance' bracket. So watch out if I get a Penalty Kick. 

2 hours ago, |TJ| said:

what if team leader is not a football role lmao. what if it's like... elim team leader xD

@Kasimir, can you create a poll that says "do you have a football favor role?" and amend it to the op? and we can call vote yes or no :P. easy.

Yes, please, this would be amazing. But Orlok can see the anonymous voters. 

1 hour ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Well, I was first suspicious of the football thing cause I realize how easy it is to make up roles. The referee (or captain I guess) implies several more roles then we've even seen. I think TKN is village but is trolling cause it's fun and I was tempted to do so as well.  

The way that he's said "well there's just one more thing I didn't tell you" two separate times doesn't sit well with me, honestly. I feel like his behavior warrants more suspicion then we've seen so far this game.

Trolling is fun and lying is more so. Did I mention that I'm a village aligned arsonist but if I kill a villager the village loses?

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

goodie - bookwyrm, fae, wiz, stick, rby, sart

miiight be goodie - ash, steel, danex

hmmmmmmm idk plus maybe baddie - mat, aman, orlok, jnv, fadran, archer 

not goodie not baddie possibly third faction? - tkn, shining

everyone else idonthavearead. which is different from idk. bcause idk is like there is content but im not able to put them this side or that. idonthavearead is no read.

I can confirm that I belong to one of the traditional alignments. 

57 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Ooh good idea

@The Known Novel wanna join my secret faction club?

Sorry, I'm specifically a village arsonist.

[Ashbringer he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

I know at least one soccer role is real, the rest I severely doubt. No, this does not change my read of Aman. He is locked firmly into the 'I would kill if given the chance' bracket. So watch out if I get a Penalty Kick. 

Do you know you get a kill from a Penalty Kick?

If you think you're the only Footballer, where do you think you get a Penalty Kick from?

7 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh. Striker's role would've been very useful and 100% reliable then RIP.

Well, assuming there's not other vote manip abilities. (And unless I'm reading things wrong, someone moved your vote to Striker D1, so... yeah. Although that couldn't really fake an anon vote.)

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

3 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

LG66/77's F-Copper. Basically does what your other thing does, learns one random fact about something that happened that cycle. Although I don't think it could grab Alignments.

It's a random fact and I asked a generalized question if it would be game related, such as allignment, role, who targeted who and so forth. So I could maybe learn allignment, but it's going to, at least the very least, be a game related fact.

[Stick. she/her]

2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Do you know you get a kill from a Penalty Kick?

If you think you're the only Footballer, where do you think you get a Penalty Kick from?

Well, assuming there's not other vote manip abilities. (And unless I'm reading things wrong, someone moved your vote to Striker D1, so... yeah. Although that couldn't really fake an anon vote.)

I actually did vote striker d1  

[Mat he/him]

5 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

I know at least one soccer role is real, the rest I severely doubt. No, this does not change my read of Aman. He is locked firmly into the 'I would kill if given the chance' bracket. So watch out if I get a Penalty Kick. 

This is such a weird mindset. Why doubt the other football roles if you yourself have one? Why doubt Aman, who in your world obviously is the Team Captain since he correctly named your role? And again, if this is all a fabrication, why keep this up now? There is no village gain here.

5 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Yes, please, this would be amazing. But Orlok can see the anonymous voters. 

You can make polls not anonymous. But I kind of doubt this will happen regardless :P.

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

Well, assuming there's not other vote manip abilities. (And unless I'm reading things wrong, someone moved your vote to Striker D1, so... yeah. Although that couldn't really fake an anon vote.)

I've already said this lol Stick just legitimately voted Striker at the end of D1

[Ashbringer he/him]

Oh. See, whenever I try and talk not seriously my brain can't read vote manip (see - LG73).

 

This feels like a good time to mention that the last Blackout I played, TJ absolutely lied about what my role could do so 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Do you know you get a kill from a Penalty Kick?

If you think you're the only Footballer, where do you think you get a Penalty Kick from?

Well, assuming there's not other vote manip abilities. (And unless I'm reading things wrong, someone moved your vote to Striker D1, so... yeah. Although that couldn't really fake an anon vote.)

No, that's my guess. My second guess would be a roleblock.

Well, before Aman told us he was a dirty liar, I figured I got it when some other football role (potentially of a different alignment) I would get it, but that's obviously not true. I'm now thinking I'll get it if either I or some other footballer gets trolled.

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

This feels like a good time to mention that the last Blackout I played, TJ absolutely lied about what my role could do so 

So we're all footballers, is what you're saying

Ash, what reads do you have? I forget if you've actually said any.

Edit: TUN ignored my post. Noted.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Matrim's Dice

[Stick. she/her]

Just now, The Known Novel said:

I'm now thinking I'll get it if either I or some other footballer gets trolled.

But you just said you doubt the existence of other footballers  Which is it? 

[Ashbringer he/him]

6 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Well, before Aman told us he was a dirty liar, I figured I got it when some other football role (potentially of a different alignment) I would get it, but that's obviously not true. I'm now thinking I'll get it if either I or some other footballer gets trolled.

So do you think there are other Football roles or not? Liar or not, Aman called out Midfielder.

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

So we're all footballers, is what you're saying

Ash, what reads do you have? I forget if you've actually said any.

I don't think I have? Maybe after that large D1-sus-summary post. But that was basically that I was willing to take arguments for E!Walin, but preferred Shining/Fadran/Dannex as exe choices, and didn't want to exe Wiz or Aman. Or Striker, but I ended up voting him anyway.

I want to go back and look at that. But I... uh... am technically in class and have some other work to do today 

Edit: Although I appear to be tunneling on TKN. Again.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Ashbringer

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

14 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

So we're all footballers, is what you're saying

Ash, what reads do you have? I forget if you've actually said any.

Edit: TUN ignored my post. Noted.

Which post?

8 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

So do you think there are other Football roles or not? Liar or not, Aman called out Midfielder.

I don't think I have? Maybe after that large D1-sus-summary post. But that was basically that I was willing to take arguments for E!Walin, but preferred Shining/Fadran/Dannex as exe choices, and didn't want to exe Wiz or Aman. Or Striker, but I ended up voting him anyway.

I want to go back and look at that. But I... uh... am technically in class and have some other work to do today 

Edit: Although I appear to be tunneling on TKN. Again.

I wouldn't put it past my role!Aman to extrapolate the soccers. 

[Mat he/him]

4 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Which post?

 

24 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

This is such a weird mindset. Why doubt the other football roles if you yourself have one? Why doubt Aman, who in your world obviously is the Team Captain since he correctly named your role? And again, if this is all a fabrication, why keep this up now? There is no village gain here.

 

[Ashbringer he/him]

7 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Which post?

I wouldn't put it past my role!Aman to extrapolate the soccers. 

But why would Aman even think there were Footballers if you’re the only one?

[Amanuensis he/him]

8 hours ago, Random Bystander said:

I don't think that's how they made my role as a Roleplayer work. 

But I do know that you are most certainly a troll.

As a roleplayer, I can target someone, and temporarily gain their abilities.

Anyway, I'm going back to bed for a bit.

I have two abilities, one from each role, so either the description you're presenting is misleading or you know my second ability and are smartly keeping it a secret  (or lying to get me killed ) but that's okay. I'm hoping a second Midfielder will feel comfortable enough to claim

@Devotary of Spontaneity could you clarify if RPer only takes one or two?

7 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I did wonder whether Matrim knew he was being trolled, and used the same effect to be a one-off coinshot, as part of my question.

I didn't Troll Matrim. I used my second ability, and it wasn't on Mat either. I just knew Mat would say no and I was going to use it to "clear" him of being a Footballer.

6 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Ah okay

Hm. How many village RPers is too many village RPers? xD

TBH it's not only a way to keep roles in the game, but to get an influx of info, so I could see a fairly good number of them. What a fun role!

6 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Wait, so you did get Trolled?

I did not get Trolled because my 2nd action succeeded, sadly. I wanted the reverse effect to happen. I was made Troll Immune by someone tonight, which means either a Troll Trolled a Troll who was Trolling and it coincidentally RNG'd me, or there's an additional role that grants Trolling immunity. So I can't even get Trolled tonight! Sad.

5 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Well I'm a protect role so the bad trolls should actually just target me to get free kills.

Considering I know with 100% certainty that Goalkeeper = Lurcher, I'm sitting here going "huh, why the pushback on me if you're just going to claim Lurcher anyway?" Why not just verify me sis 

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Yeah I still somewhat doubt the existence of all these football roles.

While claiming one? :thonk:

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Who knows if he would’ve passed it off as a reaction test if Randby hadn’t scanned him as Troll? I’m having trouble figuring out what E!Aman stands to gain from it though. A mass role claim is bound to happen in a blackout sooner rather than later so it would’ve been revealed in any case. Maybe he’s neutral still. 

Nah, you can see during the night turn I began to have a change of heart. For one, I quoted Orlok and said I would tell him everything in PMs if I could, but I needed the first night to be done before I could come forward. The only reason I didn't immediately reveal is because I received multiple PMs and I wanted an elim to claim to me first. But then RandBy revealed I'm a Troll and the jig was up. Curse you, you meddling RPers!

2 hours ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Well, I was first suspicious of the football thing cause I realize how easy it is to make up roles. The referee (or captain I guess) implies several more roles then we've even seen. I think TKN is village but is trolling cause it's fun and I was tempted to do so as well.  

The way that he's said "well there's just one more thing I didn't tell you" two separate times doesn't sit well with me, honestly. I feel like his behavior warrants more suspicion then we've seen so far this game.

Interesting 

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Obvious answer is that Shining is Lynchbait like Striker, but idk, they're making it obvious enough that there might be Troll potential.

Once again, Troll is just a role. It's not Neutral. Can be either Village or Elim. I think Silho just signed up to troll regardless and doesn't have any master plan. Pot calling the kettle black when I've done a lot more productive stuff than not-productive stuff is a hot take tho

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

Do you know you get a kill from a Penalty Kick?

If you think you're the only Footballer, where do you think you get a Penalty Kick from?

Well, assuming there's not other vote manip abilities. (And unless I'm reading things wrong, someone moved your vote to Striker D1, so... yeah. Although that couldn't really fake an anon vote.)

Eh, storm it. I'm bored of the lies. TNK is a Goalkeeper. I am a Goalkeeper. We are Lurchers who cannot self-protect. I tried to kill Xino last night but then after our extended back and forth I switched my order to Silho, since he said he wanted to die and I really didn't know who else I was willing to N1 Vig Kill. I wanted to be able to claim that today but no one Trolled me, and instead I got Troll immune, so I guess my strategy is cooked and it's time to go sicko mode.

Yes. I made up everything but Goalkeeper. I did this because I knew I couldn't self-protect and wanted to see if I could link up with another one. Ashbringer first mentioned Striker on like Page 2 of D1, so I figured maybe Kas put multiple Football roles into the game and you know the rest.

Anyway, very weirded out by Stick for claiming the Goalkeeper abilities while acting like there's no Footballers, when she would know at least one exists (hers)

1 hour ago, The Known Novel said:

No, that's my guess. My second guess would be a roleblock.

Well, before Aman told us he was a dirty liar, I figured I got it when some other football role (potentially of a different alignment) I would get it, but that's obviously not true. I'm now thinking I'll get it if either I or some other footballer gets trolled.

Thing was, when TKN originally claimed, I thought maybe I was crazy lucky for guessing a portion of the distro, if maybe not what they did. But then it's quickly become apparent (him requesting to get Trolled last night, for example) that he was a Goalkeeper claiming Vanilla/Midfielder to avoid the NK, much like I had done with the Referee role.

So @_Stick_: are you officially claiming Goalkeeper, a different kind of Lurcher, or that you were trying to draw Trolling off the info roles?

ED1T:

Oh, and I was avoiding ^this^ reveal and using the Captain as a shield to obviously protect a potential v!Lurcher!TNK, but we definitely reached the point where the misinformation from my gambit is causing more damage than good, so /shrug

If the elims have a Goalkeeper I'm sure they were going to figure it out soon, assuming they already didn't

Edited January 30, 2023 by Amanuensis
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[Archer he/him]

@The Bookwyrm can you explain the motivation behind this vote? What was the vote/role interaction going on here?

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Devo

This is an out of the blue poke vote, I know, but please keep in mind that I have a weird role.

Doing a Wiz and teasing my role instead of outright declaring it.

 

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....Oh.

Elims.

I forgot a crucial thing. Okay, let me rethink this...

Devo

EDIT: This is one of my performative posts, isn't it?

I'm bad at not being suspicious.

 

 

@Devotary of Spontaneity who is Temptation, the person you voted for D1 at one point?

12 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Eh, storm it. I'm bored of the lies

someone @ me if Aman goes 24 hours without changing this story and I'll believe it

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

@The Bookwyrm can you explain the motivation behind this vote? What was the vote/role interaction going on here?

 

@Devotary of Spontaneity who is Temptation, the person you voted for D1 at one point?

someone @ me if Aman goes 24 hours without changing this story and I'll believe it

I need to either vote for someone or have them vote for me to analyze them; I was trying to decide who I wanted to look at.

[Amanuensis he/him]

16 minutes ago, Archer said:

someone @ me if Aman goes 24 hours without changing this story and I'll believe it

Nah it's final answer and very clear if you read the game

 

D1 Preclaim:

Spoiler

^TJ the first to refer to me as a "keeper" which led me to immediately believe he was also a Goalkeeper. Him going along with my Referee lie looked good too, but he's since been gradually 180ing and I can't help but wonder why. @|TJ|

Ash mentions Striker, giving me the idea for Referee

And I claim it without any specifics, then begin working on my fake roles for the inevitable claim. I hadn't originally planned on doing this, it was a combination of me finding out I can't self-protect and suspicion of other Football roles besides Goalkeeper existing.

Notice how long it took me between those last two posts, and how early my first post about the World Cup was. Extremely natural progression. And y'all just dealt with Rhino me, please don't tell me just because you see "Adavantos" instead of a cute lil Plum Rhinoceros, my gambits suddenly become default evil >> I don't even think I've done an elim gambit in years. E!me is too safe. I'd just be feigning confusion and blending while hyperposting, not explicitly making myself the center of attention

D2: Trying to figure out who to kill with my Trolled Proection

Spoiler

Note I'm clearly trying to get reads out of Xino / a read of Xino before I mercilessly N1 him. I ask him about RandBy's roleclaim figuring e!Xino would be more aware of all the information shared in thread than v!Xino. Admit that my knee-jerk assessment could have been wrong but it gave me enough doubt to switch to Silho, who literally asked to die, so I figured being able to claim Neutral Vigilante today would at the very least get people to stop tin-foiling me. Ah well, guess it just comes with the name

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

33 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Eh, storm it. I'm bored of the lies. TNK is a Goalkeeper. I am a Goalkeeper. We are Lurchers who cannot self-protect. I tried to kill Xino last night but then after our extended back and forth I switched my order to Silho, since he said he wanted to die and I really didn't know who else I was willing to N1 Vig Kill. I wanted to be able to claim that today but no one Trolled me, and instead I got Troll immune, so I guess my strategy is cooked and it's time to go sicko mode.

Yes. I made up everything but Goalkeeper. I did this because I knew I couldn't self-protect and wanted to see if I could link up with another one. Ashbringer first mentioned Striker on like Page 2 of D1, so I figured maybe Kas put multiple Football roles into the game and you know the rest.

Anyway, very weirded out by Stick for claiming the Goalkeeper abilities while acting like there's no Footballers, when she would know at least one exists (hers)

Okay THIS IS WHY

Literally I said there's at least one more layer and I was right!

Like yes you might be doing productive stuff for the village but who can say you're not pulling the long haul. I mean this is like the fourth time you've said  "Here's the real truth".

Edit:

Okay but I do need to admit that an elim lie would probably be cleaner. This does actually make me less suspicious

Edited January 30, 2023 by Shining Silhouette

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Okay THIS IS WHY

Literally I said there's at least one more layer and I was right!

Like yes you might be doing productive stuff for the village but who can say you're not pulling the long haul. I mean this is like the fourth time you've said  "Here's the real truth".

Nah. Until now I've always implied "There's always another secret" but I'm being forthcoming with it all now. Again, used verifiable thread progression as evidence for my mindset. It checks out

Edited January 30, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Ashbringer he/him]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Mat he/him]

The only thing weirding me out is how sure you are about TUN (and various other things) when like you only actually have your own ideas but I feel like that's an Aman thing and not an elim thing.

The Known Novel, for now. I doubt (if this role exists) that there are three village of them, but I could buy two. The elims probably have a troll or a goalkeeper. But not both. Unless that's where the Tani kill came from >>

Ashbringer deserves some pressure I think. Dunno why people have v read him with no explanation.