Mistborn vs. 3rd ideal Skybreaker.

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1 hour ago, StanLemon said:

We've seen multiple examples of people getting inside the reach of a Shardblade, not exactly a stretch to think that a Mistborn with Pewter and Steelpushes could. And hard to use Division when a Mistborn is actively draining the Investiture 

Szeth with stormlight, and Kaladin on an opponent who wasn't even paying attention to him are the only examples I can think of.

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

So what, they gonna burn their clothes away, and fly naked?

Elsecalling brings clothing with, so I'd imagine that the clothing would act like skin would.

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

I don't feel that using Division on everything that touches you seems right. Maybe just on things you focusing on, like a single specific coin, but everything just seems for me a bit wrong? Maybe a higher Ideal Skybreaker could do it, but still that just doesn't fit for me at all. If they can do something like this, why would they use Shardplates at all? Also division might take some time to fully destroy an object, by this time coin would penetrate the body.

Why would everything be wrong? An division seems pretty fast.

1 hour ago, StanLemon said:

And hard to use Division when a Mistborn is actively draining the Investiture 

It's not suppression. And the more invested something is the more it resists leeching, so they have time to burn.

Spoiler

Kaymyth

I asked the question about chromium vs a Compounder with both Invested and un-Invested metals in both their stomach and piercings.

Brandon Sanderson

What it boils down to is this:

1) Yes, the piercings will get burned off.

2) The non-Invested metals go before the Invested ones. He said that because Invested metals are harder to affect, it takes a little extra time and effort to get them to burn off. So a Leecher trying to clean out a Compounder would have to get a good grip and hang on for a few seconds.

3) Chromium burns about as quickly as duralumin, so if you're trying to burn off a lot of metals, it is possible to run out of chromium before your target is clean. This would probably only be an issue when dealing with larger pieces (like jewelry) rather than your standard metal-flakes-in-the-stomach deal.

ConQuest 46 (May 22, 2015)

 

[Primeival Chaos he/him]

45 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

And the more invested something is the more it resists leeching, so they have time to burn.

I've actually never seen that WoB before. That does help the Skybreaker side, however.

How invested is a compounder vs. a 3rd ideal Skybreaker? I feel like a compounder would be more invested than a Skybreaker, but idk. Depends on the amount of Stormlight that the Skybreaker has, but I can see it taking from half a second to drain them or 3 seconds.

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5 minutes ago, Primeval Ookla said:

I've actually never seen that WoB before. That does help the Skybreaker side, however.

How invested is a compounder vs. a 3rd ideal Skybreaker? I feel like a compounder would be more invested than a Skybreaker, but idk. Depends on the amount of Stormlight that the Skybreaker has, but I can see it taking from half a second to drain them or 3 seconds.

Considering that Mists are considered a Stormlight analogue

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Team Teama

Vin “sucked in the mists” with a deep breath, also the mist was “leaking” from her arms. Is that similar to Stormlight?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes it is. One hundred percent. In fact, you should notice that when Shardblades form they take a certain shape... substance.

Adam Horne

Oh jeez, yeah...

Brandon Sanderson

Did you never notice that?

Adam Horne

No, I did, but you know… you don't think about it.

Brandon Sanderson

Before they solidify, yeah.

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I'd say stormlight vastly outstrips compounding

[Tglassy]

So...It really depends on how Division works.  Because Skybreakers don't have the advantages Windrunners have.  With a 3rd Ideal Windrunner, I still say a Mistborn winds at least 60% of the time, but Windrunners have reverse lashings and full lashings, which are huge counters to what Mistborns can do. 

But Skybreakers don't have that.  They can fly.  And that's all Gravitation does for them.  They can send things soaring at the mistborn, but despite certain comments to the contrary, Mistborn are HELLA mobile.  Yeah, they need anchors, but they create their own anchors.  And even if they don't, Pewter is just too good.  I would put a fully trained Pewter arm against pretty much any 2nd ideal radiant.  And the only reason 3rd ideal radiants get advantage against them is because of their blade.  Pewter is just that good.  

But yeah.  If Division can be used at range, or is a literal "I win becasue you're burnt to an ash" button, then the Skybreaker would have a pretty good chance.  If it can desintigrate coins as they hit, that nulifies a big mistborn advantage.  If they can use it when the Mistborn touchse them, that eliminates Chromium as an option.  That's two pretty big advantages.  

So if that's how Division works, and it's that strong, then...maybe Skybreakers actually would have a chance against Mistborn.  

Now, we're talking about 3rd ideal, so we don't know how powerful their Division is at that point.  I wouldn't imagine it's strong enough to desintigrate a coin shot at high speeds before it can break the skin.  But maybe.  

Ok, here's some options:

Option 1: Division is limited in use.  It may burn someone who touches them but can't kill them on a touch, and takes time and focus to desintigrate something, so it's use against coins is good, but limited.  In this case, Mistborn likely wins.  They just have to hold on long enough to leach their stormlight, and coins still help in range combat.

Option 2: Division is a forcefield of death.  Anything that touches it while active is just gone.  In this case, the Skybreaker very likely wins.  Pewter is awesome, but if they can't touch their enemy, then the fight is pointless.  The only thing the Mistborn could do would be to stall and wait until the Skybreaker runs out of Stormlight.  Which is possible.  It all depends on how much Stormlight the Skybreaker has, and how Stormlight Intensive Division is.  

If Division can be used at Range, the Skybreaker very likely just wins.  But if this was the case...then Nale would have done it to Dalinar when he decided Dalinar should die...and he didn't...so...imma say that's probably not possible?  It would be cool if Skybreakers could shoot lightning, though.  

[therunner he/him]

So, I'd say Skybreaker wins, as they have the same (or nearly so) mobility advantage of Windrunner. They have worse defense (no reverse lashing), but superior offense (Division).

Because of Division Mistborn cannot really afford to try leeching, because both of those powers are touch based, but Division can also spread from the point of contact + if air can be affected they could have small layer as defense.

So, Skybreaker looses a bit of defense (but hitting a moving target is still difficult), and Mistborn looses one of their best (and only) offense options.

I would say Mistborn comes out of this even worse then against Windrunners, and there they already typically lose on battlefield.

13 hours ago, alder24 said:

Mistborn is more mobile in terms of rapid change of directions, close to the ground, Skybreaker in terms of speed and distance.

Gravitation can still replicate everything Mistborn can do (place multiple Lashings and quickly cancel them to imitate burst of speed, or use multiple partial lashings to imitate more small sources), and also do more things, so Skybreakers have advantage everywhere in mobility when it comes to flight.

[alder24]

4 hours ago, therunner said:

Because of Division Mistborn cannot really afford to try leeching, because both of those powers are touch based, but Division can also spread from the point of contact + if air can be affected they could have small layer as defense.

RoW ch 47 - Nale got shot by Cord in the face with an arrow. Don't you think that if you could use Division to stop projectails arrows, Nale, with almost 7000 years of experience and 5th Ideal Skybreaker, would do this during a battle? 
OB ch 107 - Malata needed "few moments" to make "masterful relief" on a table with Division - this suggest that Division takes some time.

Both of that suggest that Division can't be use to stop coins, or it would take more time to destroy coins than for them to penetrate through the body.

Division works on human (Malata OB ch 107), but we don't know how, most likely in similar way to what Malata was duing with the table, but in a different way. Division is the force of decay, so it might first make the hand dry, then kill the tissue making it dead, lastly turn it into dust. It still takes some time, which might be enough to drain Skybreaker out of Stormlight. There is also a possibility, that the Skybreaker must be aware of someone touching him, so that also might bring some latency to his use of Division. 

Mistborn need to just make a bendalloy bubble close to Skybreaker, but not include him, and then reach from the bubble (as long as some part of the body is in the bubble it is affecting him) touch Skybreaker and drain him. That migh collapse the bubble, or bring Skybreaker into the bubble, or have no effect onto the Skybreaker (no idea what would happen), but that will cause confusion for Skybreaker, and give Mistborn enough time to drain him out of Stormlight without getting his hand burned.

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

51 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Division can't be use to stop coins

he doesn't need to he can heel from literally any wound.

[alder24]

3 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

he doesn't need to he can heel from literally any wound.

Yes, and that's what Mistborn wants he to do - force Skybreaker to heal constantly, and when he runs out of Stormlight, it's over.

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

Just now, alder24 said:

Yes, and that's what Mistborn wants he to do - force Skybreaker to heal constantly, and when he runs out of Stormlight, it's over.

I agree but the skybreaker just has to get close and land a blow with division or a shardblade.

[alder24]

20 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

I agree but the skybreaker just has to get close and land a blow with division or a shardblade.

Yes, and I've already talked about it

21 hours ago, alder24 said:

All Mistborn needs to to is to keep distance and he wins, which would be challenging. If Radiant get dangerously close, Mistborn burns bendalloy and get out of Shardblade's way. Skybreaker would run out of Stormlight eventually. And it takes one touch with chromium, and Skybreaker's Stormlight within him is gone (which could be done with bendalloy).

20 hours ago, alder24 said:

He said dodge, that means avoid blade and approach. You can also put a coin on shardblade side and push.

There are many ways to avoid Shardblade, I'm not saying it would be easy, I agree, it would be hard, but still he can do it. 

Mistborn can also use emotional allomancy plus duralumin to temporary paralyze Skybreaker. Even rioting just his anger, caution, sadness or some other emotions will cause him troubles. He can push metal plate, something that won't easily penetrate Skybreaker body, and push against it, with or without duralumin, to move him away. He can push coin into his blade to deflect it, or even into his hand to make him drop it. And he can alos use electrum to see his future a little, helpful in a fight, not as good as Atium, but still helpful.

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by alder24

[therunner he/him]

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

RoW ch 47 - Nale got shot by Cord in the face with an arrow. Don't you think that if you could use Division to stop projectails arrows, Nale, with almost 7000 years of experience and 5th Ideal Skybreaker, would do this during a battle? 
OB ch 107 - Malata needed "few moments" to make "masterful relief" on a table with Division - this suggest that Division takes some time.

Both of that suggest that Division can't be use to stop coins, or it would take more time to destroy coins than for them to penetrate through the body.

Thanks for those quotes, so Division shield not really a possibility.
Still leaves higher mobility as good defense, and grants better offense.

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

Division works on human (Malata OB ch 107), but we don't know how, most likely in similar way to what Malata was duing with the table, but in a different way. Division is the force of decay, so it might first make the hand dry, then kill the tissue making it dead, lastly turn it into dust. It still takes some time, which might be enough to drain Skybreaker out of Stormlight. There is also a possibility, that the Skybreaker must be aware of someone touching him, so that also might bring some latency to his use of Division.

Division still works the same way, I think creating 'masterful relief' will take longer than just 'burn this hand/fingers off', one requires care and precision, the other just brute force.

Bottom line is Mistborn touching Skybreaker is now very risky, as Skybreaker can not only stab them, but can directly destroy their hands. It only depends on who is faster with activating their powers on the opponent.

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

Mistborn need to just make a bendalloy bubble close to Skybreaker, but not include him, and then reach from the bubble (as long as some part of the body is in the bubble it is affecting him) touch Skybreaker and drain him. That migh collapse the bubble, or bring Skybreaker into the bubble, or have no effect onto the Skybreaker (no idea what would happen), but that will cause confusion for Skybreaker, and give Mistborn enough time to drain him out of Stormlight without getting his hand burned.

I don't think that would work out (the reaching out part), but it would work to quickly reposition far close to Skybreaker than they would expect.
Wonder how much experience it would take, as I don't think the bubbles are always exactly the same size, and Wayne was not pulling stunts like this (despite this tactic being useful to him too, giving him at least one free hit).

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

Mistborn can also use emotional allomancy plus duralumin to temporary paralyze Skybreaker. Even rioting just his anger, caution, sadness or some other emotions will cause him troubles. He can push metal plate, something that won't easily penetrate Skybreaker body, and push against it, with or without duralumin, to move him away. He can push coin into his blade to deflect it, or even into his hand to make him drop it. And he can alos use electrum to see his future a little, helpful in a fight, not as good as Atium, but still helpful.

What metal plate? Where did that appear, and why is the Skybreaker not breaking it up with division? Also that would be relatively easy to dodge, Skybreakers are still very mobile and agile.

Coin into blade won't work well (or basically at all):

1.  If Skybreaker angles the blade or moves it at any angle to the force, the coin slips.
2.  If the blade is dismissed the coin slips
3. if the blade shapeshifts, the coin slips.

And since Mistborn must maintain push on the coin to keep it there, they would suddenly lose anchor, bringing them off-balance. Not exactly good tactic.

Edited December 16, 2022 by therunner
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3 hours ago, alder24 said:

RoW ch 47 - Nale got shot by Cord in the face with an arrow. Don't you think that if you could use Division to stop projectails arrows, Nale, with almost 7000 years of experience and 5th Ideal Skybreaker, would do this during a battle?

Nale was also completely disoriented at this point, and as seen by how he caught another arrow just a second before he never needed to shield from them.

3 hours ago, alder24 said:

OB ch 107 - Malata needed "few moments" to make "masterful relief" on a table with Division - this suggest that Division takes some time.

A few moments, to carefully burn a geometric pattern into stone, which is both more dense and a lot more resistant to breaking apart than flesh is. I'm with @therunner here, just brute forcing your way through it would be a lot easier.

[alder24]

21 minutes ago, therunner said:

Division still works the same way, I think creating 'masterful relief' will take longer than just 'burn this hand/fingers off', one requires care and precision, the other just brute force.

I do agree, that making that piece of art takes more time than burning flesh, but that still take some time, and that was my point. It's not instantaneous.

19 minutes ago, therunner said:

What metal plate? Where did that appear, and why is the Skybreaker not breaking it up with division?

Form surrounding? I do think that they fight at least in sparsely populated area. Fighting in the middle of nothing doesn't make sense. 
And that's just when Skybreaker is getting to close, to push him away just for a moment, so Mistborn could avoid him, and gain distance.

19 minutes ago, therunner said:

Coin into blade won't work well (or basically at all):

1.  If Skybreaker angles the blade or moves it at any angle to the force, the coin slips.
2.  If the blade is dismissed the coin slips
3. if the blade shapeshifts, the coin slips.

And since Mistborn must maintain push on the coin to keep it there, they would suddenly lose anchor, bringing them off-balance. Not exactly good tactic.

Again, that's when Skybreaker is getting very close, or even is striking - you just need to nudge the side of the blade just a little bit to avoid being hit by it. That can be done even with bare hand by human. Mistborn can do it with pewter, hand, daggers or coins, he can put a coin on blade and push it, or push from distance - but they are close, so even a very short contact with the blade will change it direction and miss the Mistborn, plus Mistborn is also dodging at that point as well. That is the very thing that Vasher did to Kaladin in their duel in RoW ch 15, using sheets and 2 fingers.

[therunner he/him]

34 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I do agree, that making that piece of art takes more time than burning flesh, but that still take some time, and that was my point. It's not instantaneous.

And same goes for leeching, it is not instantaneous.
So question is, will Mistborns hand burn off sooner then leeching? Or can Mistborn even maintain leech while their hands are effectively on fire from the inside out? Pewter helps with pain, but there is pain of getting hit, and pain because your hands are literally disintegrating.

34 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Form surrounding? I do think that they fight at least in sparsely populated area. Fighting in the middle of nothing doesn't make sense. 
And that's just when Skybreaker is getting to close, to push him away just for a moment, so Mistborn could avoid him, and gain distance.

Fair enough, though still it depends on circumstances quite a bit; Mistborn, plate and Skybreaker must align and for some reason Skybreaker won't react quickly enough to slap it aside either by hand or by blade.

34 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Again, that's when Skybreaker is getting very close, or even is striking - you just need to nudge the side of the blade just a little bit to avoid being hit by it. That can be done even with bare hand by human. Mistborn can do it with pewter, hand, daggers or coins, he can put a coin on blade and push it, or push from distance - but they are close, so even a very short contact with the blade will change it direction and miss the Mistborn, plus Mistborn is also dodging at that point as well. That is the very thing that Vasher did to Kaladin in their duel in RoW ch 15, using sheets and 2 fingers.

Vasher has multiple centuries of experience, he is in completely different league of skill than any Mistborn, arguably closer to Herald in skill, then human. On top of that he is heavily Invested (Divine breath + regular breaths).
And Kaladin was not fighting to kill, so there is also that.

Regular swords casually move at 20 m/s (the cutting part near tip), Shardblades are longer (so ends are moving faster) and lighter (so again they are moving faster), you are asking Mistborn to plant a coin on a thing about a size of human hand that is moving at ~30 m/s or more. I sincerely doubt that they could do that without atium.

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by therunner

[StanLemon]

54 minutes ago, therunner said:

And same goes for leeching, it is not instantaneous.
So question is, will Mistborns hand burn off sooner then leeching? Or can Mistborn even maintain leech while their hands are effectively on fire from the inside out? Pewter helps with pain, but there is pain of getting hit, and pain because your hands are literally disintegrating.

Leeching may not be instantaneous, but it's still very fast considering it can drain metals in an instant, and draining the charge of an Invested gun also went out in an Instant. People latch on too much to Leeching not being instantaneous, but the example Brandon gives is draining a Compounder's entire metalminds as only taking a few seconds. So draining a Radiant would realistically be instant, maybe as long as a second or two if the Radiant decided to suck in a huge load of Stormlight. But why would the Radiant do that? It's already established that the more Stormlight a Radiant holds the faster they lose it

Also I would imagine it would be quite difficult to maintain a Surge while the power source is rapidly being removed. 

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2 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

Leeching may not be instantaneous, but it's still very fast considering it can drain metals in an instant, and draining the charge of an Invested gun also went out in an Instant. People latch on too much to Leeching not being instantaneous, but the example Brandon gives is draining a Compounder's entire metalminds as only taking a few seconds. So draining a Radiant would realistically be instant, maybe as long as a second or two if the Radiant decided to suck in a huge load of Stormlight. But why would the Radiant do that? It's already established that the more Stormlight a Radiant holds the faster they lose it

The examples he gives is the amount of metal in an earring that is inside someone. And considering how low Investiture metal is, compared to Stormlight, and how Stormlight would naturally resist being consumed, I think it's safe to say that it won't be instant, and they might have some left over afterwards.

[Letryx13]

On 12/15/2022 at 4:37 PM, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

I'd say stormlight vastly outstrips compounding

I don't know. Miles had compounding healing and he healed so fast he didn't even feel pain. That seems to be stronger than Radiant healing.  And Internal Radiant healing seems more powerful than EdgeDancers and TruthWatchers abilities to heal others, 

The Radiant/MistBorn  matchup is complicated.  Everyone argues that if the MistBorn gets ahold of the Radiant and leeches them, the Radiant is helpless.  The problem with that is that most Radiants can inflict major damage as soon as they touch their opponents in turn.  SkyBreakers can use Division, which could theoretically cause a MistBorn's body to decay when they touch them, which would turn it into a contest of who grabbed who first. Combine that with the fact that SkyBreakers are likely faster in the air and can change direction more easily, and you have the whole situation boiling down to skill, and that's individual. Stormlight seems to provide enhanced reflexes and reaction speed comparable to Pewter, so while MistBorn are stronger than Radiants without their plate, I'd wager speed (reaction speed, not running speed) is probably similar. And that greater physical strength doesn't matter much in this scenario.  Atium of course changes everything, but I don't think it's fair to include that since we're not including Radiant plate.  

This seems a very close match to me, much like Radiant's with full plate against MistBorn with Atium.  I'd lean toward the Radiant having the advantage in a 60/40 kind of way, with the environment being the biggest factor.  A MistBorn surrounded by metal in a city can maneuver almost as well as a WindRunner or SkyBreaker, but someplace where there isn't as much, such as on Roshar or any random forest, and they are in serious trouble.  The length of the fight matters too.  I think a SkyBreaker would have an advantage in a drawn out fight, since they can recover from wounds, and Stormlight seems to grant equal or greater endurance than Pewter.  

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11 minutes ago, Letryx13 said:

I don't know. Miles had compounding healing and he healed so fast he didn't even feel pain. That seems to be stronger than Radiant healing.  And Internal Radiant healing seems more powerful than EdgeDancers and TruthWatchers abilities to heal others,

Miles was also starting to Savant, on account of him always burning or tapping goldminds.

[Letryx13]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Miles was also starting to Savant, on account of him always burning or tapping goldminds.

Perhaps, but I doubt that makes too much of a difference unless he was a full Savant. And Rashek supposedly survived being decapitated and being reduced to little more than a skeleton. We don’t know that he did this for certain, but it sounds more significant than anything we’ve seen a radiant recover from. Yes, Shallan survived a crossbow bolt through the head, which seems to me to be the most significant injury we’ve seen a radiant survive, but her head was still attached and undamaged besides the bolt. I don’t think a radiant could survive decapitation. 

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2 minutes ago, Letryx13 said:

Perhaps, but I doubt that makes too much of a difference unless he was a full Savant. And Rashek supposedly survived being decapitated and being reduced to little more than a skeleton. We don’t know that he did this for certain, but it sounds more significant than anything we’ve seen a radiant recover from. Yes, Shallan survived a crossbow bolt through the head, which seems to me to be the most significant injury we’ve seen a radiant survive, but her head was still attached and undamaged besides the bolt. I don’t think a radiant could survive decapitation. 

Rashek lied about how much he survived.

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The question is about the Lord Ruler's death.  He is basically killed because Vin was able to remove his Feruchemy storage bracelets thus depriving him of his stored youth and strength correct?  Once he didn't have access to these she could simply kill him like a normal man.Now on page 627 about the 3rd paragraph down the Lord Ruler states " I've survived burning and beheadings.  I've been stabbed and sliced, crushed and dismembered." (I also think this is also reference somewhere else in the book that I could not locate)If all it took to drain the Lord Ruler of his power was to remove access to his Feruchemy items wouldn't he have died if he was dismembered?  Remove the storage devices from the trunk of the body and he would die?

Peter Ahlstrom

I asked Brandon about this once, and I'm pretty sure he said the beheading survival part was a lie/exaggeration. I'd have to go back and check my notes.

The Lord Ruler would have reason to want people to believe he had survived beheadings and being burned to ash.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/291/#e11199

 

 

 

[StanLemon]

2 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Miles was also starting to Savant, on account of him always burning or tapping goldminds.

Savant or not, he had enough health to heal broken bones before they finished breaking, that's healing on a scale way faster than any Radiant has shown. The closest a Radiant has come to that is Renarin and even then the difference between Renarin and a normal Radiant was little enough that Adolin wasn't completely sure Renarin was healing faster

And the faster a trait is tapped the more that goes to waste. This tells us that he had a lot of Investiture stored up and still never came close to running out.

[Letryx13]

10 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Rashek lied about how much he survived.

Ok, that actually explains a few things. I always assumed he just wore more gold back then. 
Regardless, we did see him completely ignore ordinary wounds, such as spears through the chest. There’s a difference between being able to heal a critical wound and ignore it completely.  That kind of healing  seems significantly more powerful than most Radiants. Renarrin could be an exception, but I remember someone else theorizing that his stronger healing is a form of compounding as well. 

[alder24]

18 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

The examples he gives is the amount of metal in an earring that is inside someone. And considering how low Investiture metal is, compared to Stormlight, and how Stormlight would naturally resist being consumed, I think it's safe to say that it won't be instant, and they might have some left over afterwards.

You know, he's a Mistborn, he has duralumin, he can leech while burning it. It will be instantaneous, faster than division could affect his hand.

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by alder24

[Letryx13]

33 minutes ago, alder24 said:

You know, he's a Mistborn, he has duralumin, he can leech while burning it. It will be instantaneous, faster than division could affect his hand.

Yeah, but if he burns Duralumin, then he's out of metals that he's currently burning.  A Radiant could breathe in more Stormlight, but the MistBorn would have to swallow more Chromium to continue Leeching.  And they'd have to achieve the Leeching without using Pewter or other metals, or they'd be out of them too.

I suppose they could burn Duralumin while using both Chromium and Pewter to try and Leech while inflicting damage all at once, but that seems like it would be tricky and a big gamble. They'd get one shot, and if they missed they'd pretty much be guaranteed to lose.

[alder24]

7 hours ago, Letryx13 said:

Yeah, but if he burns Duralumin, then he's out of metals that he's currently burning.

He can simply stop using all other metals when he's starting to leech with duralumin. What's the problem with that? Or later use vials.

 

Here is another idea, that Mistborn can use - burning both cadmium and bendalloy at the same time. It gives him a protective shell of slowed down time around him, and when Skybreaker approach, he would get stuck in cadmium, giving Mistborn a lot of time to react and even shower him with rain of coins and metal, as for Mistborn, times moves normaly. That's mean that he can't really move when making bubbles (unless he's savant in both metal, not likely), but that would still work as a trap, or even better, burning metals only when Skybreaker is already in range of cadmium, stoping him. Time bubble of cadmium is the size of the room, and for bendalloy around 5-15ft, so there is a lot of space affected by cadmium, and he can even change their sizes. If he's a savant in both cadmium and bendalloy, he can burn them constantly, except just for the time, when he's shooting coins. That would make him untouchable - until he runs out of bendalloy.