Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 22, 2022 Posted June 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Kasimir said: Haven't you played with Clanky before? No, his last game was LG 38 and my first LG was 41.
Luckspren she/her Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 I've never played before... is this too complicated for a first game, or should I go ahead?
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Luckspren said: I've never played before... is this too complicated for a first game, or should I go ahead? No, most games are pretty much the same quality as this. Also to win the pregame competition: Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words Words words words words words words.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 @xinoehp512, are boxings still lost if you bid for something you can't afford? Say you bid for an assassin counting on the winnings from loudest voice and then someone beats you so you end up with fewer than nine boxings, are those all wasted even though your bid doesn't count? On 6/21/2022 at 1:02 PM, Araris Valerian said: Hey Clanky, welcome back! Test On 6/19/2022 at 10:20 PM, Matrim's Dice said: In as Geoffrey Test It only shows me as responding to one person last time I did a double quote so let's try again. Maybe responding to the same person twice in one post was what messed it up.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: @xinoehp512, are boxings still lost if you bid for something you can't afford? Say you bid for an assassin counting on the winnings from loudest voice and then someone beats you so you end up with fewer than nine boxings, are those all wasted even though your bid doesn't count? Test Test It only shows me as responding to one person last time I did a double quote so let's try again. Maybe responding to the same person twice in one post was what messed it up. That would mess it up I believe since it doesn't read the quote to tell. Also, that isn't quite fifty words.
Stick. she/her Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) I'm in! Can we put our votes down in red + bolded? The counter will work regardless, right? Putting them down in bolded red will improve visibility for when we're skimming the thread. like vote=Stick edit: Yes it works vote=null Edited June 25, 2022 by _Stick_
xinoehp512 he/him Posted June 25, 2022 Author Posted June 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: @xinoehp512, are boxings still lost if you bid for something you can't afford? Say you bid for an assassin counting on the winnings from loudest voice and then someone beats you so you end up with fewer than nine boxings, are those all wasted even though your bid doesn't count? No. If your bid winds up being more than you can afford, then it will be reduced to what you can afford; if that winds up being less than the minimum amount, then the bid will not count and no boxings will be lost. 4 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: It only shows me as responding to one person last time I did a double quote so let's try again. Maybe responding to the same person twice in one post was what messed it up. A response must be at least fifty words in order to qualify. Different responses to the same person will be counted separately for the purposes of Loudest Voice, but only if they are from different posts. Responses to the same post will be summed together.
Quivil Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 vote=Devo 6 hours ago, _Stick_ said: I'm in! Can we put our votes down in red + bolded? The counter will work regardless, right? Putting them down in bolded red will improve visibility for when we're skimming the thread. like vote=Stick edit: Yes it works vote=null It only counts the first vote in the post
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 25, 2022 Posted June 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tani said: vote=Devo It only counts the first vote in the post Check the counter, for whatever reason it was still nulled.
xinoehp512 he/him Posted June 25, 2022 Author Posted June 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tani said: vote=Devo It only counts the first vote in the post It would seem that the counter counts the first vote out of two in a single paragraph, but the last vote in a post as a whole. Either way, I wouldn't recommend including two vote flags in a post.
xinoehp512 he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Author Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) QF61 Cycle 1: Blood on the Senate Floor Jekiel was in his office when he heard the screams. It took him a moment to realize where they were coming from; inside the Senate building itself. He peeked his head out of the door, trying to ascertain what was going on, and was relieved to find a lack of armed indviduals in his hallway. As he was formulating his exit plan in his mind, however, a messenger skidded around the hallway, panting. "Come quick, sir!" he said. "A Senator's been found. Dead!" Reluctantly, Jekiel followed. -- Yoren had been shot in the heart, seemingly before he'd even realized it. There seemed to be quite a lot of blood, though it was mostly dry by now. Jekiel averted his eyes, trying to find a place that wasn't stained crimson red, when he spotted the writing. Down With Tyrants! it spelled. It was written in blood. Jekiel shuddered. Yoren had been one of the leaders of the movement to increase tariffs on the railroads into and out of Elendel. A measure that residents of the Outer Basin were notoriously opposed to. It didn't take a genius to guess who had ordered his assassination. The only question now was... who next? The investigations started the next day. -- The other senators had been worried when Hammonda had begun to blabber nonsense. However, a brief investigation concluded that it was, in fact, a nervous breakdown brought on by a Rioter with no connection to the Outer Basin. Hammonda was assigned a Soother and allowed to return to work. TUN was the Loudest Voice! TUN was investigated and determined to be Insane! He has been treated and is recovering! Reminders: The cycle ends on June 8 2PM EDT (6PM GMT). All PMs must include myself and @Araris Valerian. Link to the Tally Website DO NOT edit in a vote flag unless you made a colored vote and forgot to include the vote flag in the post with it OR you are the most recent post. in most cases, what the program says goes. This goes for all three tallies, including the vote count. The only exceptions are: if you forget to put in a vote flag (i.e. you have a color-vote occurring after any or no vote-flags) if your vote is flagged but you include a color-vote in the same post that disambiguates it. Please include only one vote flag in any post. Quote Anything you feel should not count as "game related" should go in a quote box such as this one. Link to the rules post. Link to the rules doc. Participants Spoiler @Matrim's Dice as Geoffrey. @The Unknown Novel as Hammonda. @JNV @Archer as Senator McCarty. @Tani @Clanky @Devotary of Spontaneity as Ziel Lekal @_Stick_ @Luckspren Action Shop Spoiler Bribes (3+) available: 3 Bodyguards (5+) available: 1 Assassins (9+) available: 1 Verified Names Spoiler @Matrim's Dice: Matrim @The Unknown Novel: TUN @JNV: JNV @Archer: Archer @Tani: Tani @Clanky: Clanky @Devotary of Spontaneity: Devotary @_Stick_: Stick @Luckspren: Luckspren Edited June 27, 2022 by xinoehp512 3
Archer he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! If it looks like I'm going to die, my vote will not shift, thus depriving anyone else of Leader of Discussion boxings. Otherwise, expect a late change of my vote. Ideally too late for anyone to profit from it. (Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? I can understand wanting to engage in the former approach, I'll just ask that you say things like "My red vote is elsewhere right now, but I'm probably going to land on Player X" instead of giving no updates on your developing suspicions. Friendly reminder that you need to get at least three boxings today to survive, which can most easily be achieved by quoting three other people. As I mentioned to Xino during the committee stage, I imagine a number of people will try to use the Assassin ability on their way out the door if they're exed, assuming they can gather enough boxings for it. They have the advantage of not needing to save money for the next round. Banking on elim competence, Team Evil will probably know which targets can and can't do this and match their aggression accordingly, or outbid them when possible. I'd urge restraint, but it's a QF so a quicker pace isn't a terrible thing. That's got to be 200 words by now right Vote=Archer
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Archer said: I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! If it looks like I'm going to die, my vote will not shift, thus depriving anyone else of Leader of Discussion boxings. Otherwise, expect a late change of my vote. Ideally too late for anyone to profit from it. (Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? I can understand wanting to engage in the former approach, I'll just ask that you say things like "My red vote is elsewhere right now, but I'm probably going to land on Player X" instead of giving no updates on your developing suspicions. Friendly reminder that you need to get at least three boxings today to survive, which can most easily be achieved by quoting three other people. As I mentioned to Xino during the committee stage, I imagine a number of people will try to use the Assassin ability on their way out the door if they're exed, assuming they can gather enough boxings for it. They have the advantage of not needing to save money for the next round. Banking on elim competence, Team Evil will probably know which targets can and can't do this and match their aggression accordingly, or outbid them when possible. I'd urge restraint, but it's a QF so a quicker pace isn't a terrible thing. That's got to be 200 words by now right Vote=Archer Vote=TUN This seems like a good idea, at least for a first vote. It's especially good because I always get voted on. What's your thoughts on bidding? I'm thinking we always need to come to a consensus on who's buying it so we can milk it for all it’s worth. For the others, voting one above minimum is probably best bang (or bribe) for your buck.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, Archer said: I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! If it looks like I'm going to die, my vote will not shift, thus depriving anyone else of Leader of Discussion boxings. Otherwise, expect a late change of my vote. Ideally too late for anyone to profit from it. (Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? "An interesting strategy," stated Amoon. "Flawed," Ziel mused, frowning. "McCarty's plan deprives him of a chance to earn boxings. He stands to earn one boxing at most, and that by throwing away his chance of affecting the impeachment proceedings." "He sacrifices his own wealth to strike a blow against his enemies. You would do the same." "I know who our enemies are. We will shatter the power of the nobility and cast down their houses to the abyss they should have been condemned to when this land was forged anew. McCarty cannot tell friend from foe, for he has made the world his enemy." Amoon tilted her head. "Perhaps he shares our goal. Yoren's killer is unknown." "Hmm. Our allies from the Outer Basin have made their presence known. If McCarty truly is sympathetic to our aims, I will be sure not to kill him." "We are preparing to kill then." "Our primary goal is ensuring that none who are removed from office get replaced by yet more nobles seeking to extend their 1300 year legacy of tyranny. Yet those who refuse to relinquish power in the face of overwhelming opposition may need to be addressed with lethal measures." Amoon nodded. "I am your weapon." 22 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said: What's your thoughts on bidding? I'm thinking we always need to come to a consensus on who's buying it so we can milk it for all it’s worth. For the others, voting one above minimum is probably best bang (or bribe) for your buck. Definitely don't want to announce who's getting the bodyguard since then the elims can just not target that person and have them waste 5+ boxings. Bribery might warrant more discussion, but either nobody will want one since the exe is out of reach or it will be contentious since the people on all sides of the split votes will want one and can't be convinced otherwise or else they'd have changed their vote without the bribe. Designating someone as an assassin to kill a selected target might work so long as that player can't just buy a bodyguard to protect themselves. It is strange that both assassination and the elim kill block vote manipulation. @xinoehp512 is a killed player's vote also cancelled?
Clanky he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Archer said: I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! If it looks like I'm going to die, my vote will not shift, thus depriving anyone else of Leader of Discussion boxings. Otherwise, expect a late change of my vote. Ideally too late for anyone to profit from it. (Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? I can understand wanting to engage in the former approach, I'll just ask that you say things like "My red vote is elsewhere right now, but I'm probably going to land on Player X" instead of giving no updates on your developing suspicions. Friendly reminder that you need to get at least three boxings today to survive, which can most easily be achieved by quoting three other people. As I mentioned to Xino during the committee stage, I imagine a number of people will try to use the Assassin ability on their way out the door if they're exed, assuming they can gather enough boxings for it. They have the advantage of not needing to save money for the next round. Banking on elim competence, Team Evil will probably know which targets can and can't do this and match their aggression accordingly, or outbid them when possible. I'd urge restraint, but it's a QF so a quicker pace isn't a terrible thing. That's got to be 200 words by now right Vote=Archer Active on the floor and loudest voice only counts replies to other players as far as I understood the rules (and it looks like the website is confirming it with Archer being at zero for both) so getting to 200 words for non-quote replies doesn't mean anything. I can't say I've got a voting strategy yet. The Leader of Discussion mechanic does kinda make me want to avoid any kind of bandwagon early on as it will just lead to someone getting a bunch more money than anyone else. With such a small group of people in this game it will probably only take a couple failed lynchings for the infiltrators to outnumber us and giving the wrong person enough money for an early assassination could basically end the game on the spot. The counter to that is if it is a close vote it's easy for a couple bribe actions to push the vote anywhere. There's a lot to think about so that's why I'd say my strategy is so far nonexistent I also just realized how much you need to type to get to 200 words. I often don't have that much to say in a response to someone. 34 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said: Vote=TUN This seems like a good idea, at least for a first vote. It's especially good because I always get voted on. What's your thoughts on bidding? I'm thinking we always need to come to a consensus on who's buying it so we can milk it for all it’s worth. For the others, voting one above minimum is probably best bang (or bribe) for your buck. I don't think we need consensus. The senators won't know who will be telling the truth and the infiltrators could use the fact that everything is anonymous to allow one of their teammates to take their action allowing us to lose any of the real benefits of this. I do think we can try and minimize the information asymmetry in some way though. Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Clanky said: Active on the floor and loudest voice only counts replies to other players as far as I understood the rules (and it looks like the website is confirming it with Archer being at zero for both) so getting to 200 words for non-quote replies doesn't mean anything. I can't say I've got a voting strategy yet. The Leader of Discussion mechanic does kinda make me want to avoid any kind of bandwagon early on as it will just lead to someone getting a bunch more money than anyone else. With such a small group of people in this game it will probably only take a couple failed lynchings for the infiltrators to outnumber us and giving the wrong person enough money for an early assassination could basically end the game on the spot. The counter to that is if it is a close vote it's easy for a couple bribe actions to push the vote anywhere. There's a lot to think about so that's why I'd say my strategy is so far nonexistent I also just realized how much you need to type to get to 200 words. I often don't have that much to say in a response to someone. I don't think we need consensus. The senators won't know who will be telling the truth and the infiltrators could use the fact that everything is anonymous to allow one of their teammates to take their action allowing us to lose any of the real benefits of this. I do think we can try and minimize the information asymmetry in some way though. Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one. You just need to get to more fifty. I think Archer was under the mistaken assumption that there was a most posts reward like in the other game of Xino's, which was very similar to this one, that he looked over. That is what would make sense to me at least. 36 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: "An interesting strategy," stated Amoon. "Flawed," Ziel mused, frowning. "McCarty's plan deprives him of a chance to earn boxings. He stands to earn one boxing at most, and that by throwing away his chance of affecting the impeachment proceedings." "He sacrifices his own wealth to strike a blow against his enemies. You would do the same." "I know who our enemies are. We will shatter the power of the nobility and cast down their houses to the abyss they should have been condemned to when this land was forged anew. McCarty cannot tell friend from foe, for he has made the world his enemy." Amoon tilted her head. "Perhaps he shares our goal. Yoren's killer is unknown." "Hmm. Our allies from the Outer Basin have made their presence known. If McCarty truly is sympathetic to our aims, I will be sure not to kill him." "We are preparing to kill then." "Our primary goal is ensuring that none who are removed from office get replaced by yet more nobles seeking to extend their 1300 year legacy of tyranny. Yet those who refuse to relinquish power in the face of overwhelming opposition may need to be addressed with lethal measures." Amoon nodded. "I am your weapon." Definitely don't want to announce who's getting the bodyguard since then the elims can just not target that person and have them waste 5+ boxings. Bribery might warrant more discussion, but either nobody will want one since the exe is out of reach or it will be contentious since the people on all sides of the split votes will want one and can't be convinced otherwise or else they'd have changed their vote without the bribe. Designating someone as an assassin to kill a selected target might work so long as that player can't just buy a bodyguard to protect themselves. It is strange that both assassination and the elim kill block vote manipulation. @xinoehp512 is a killed player's vote also cancelled? Well, the point would not be to choose a specific player to kill, it would be to pick a trusted player and agree among the villagers to not fight for the kill against that person. ~ Hammonda looked at her pewter rings and bracers. They marked her as a pewter ferring. It was a symbol of status among her people. She had always found it a little ironic (Get it, ironic?) that she was the daughter of pewter misting and a pewter ferring, and yet she was just a ferring. She wasn't quite Hammond reborn. And she hated it. She was almost a compounder. Just one measly genetic step away. But noooo, she had to be a Ferring, lowest of the low among Elendel's finest. Okay, maybe they weren't the lowest of the low, but they were pretty low.
xinoehp512 he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Author Posted June 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: @xinoehp512 is a killed player's vote also cancelled? No. 7 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said: You just need to get to more fifty. This is correct. The rules doc has been updated.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 49 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said: No. This is correct. The rules doc has been updated. Nice to know for sure. Would a player who's being executed need to pay the bribe? For example: If I end up losing the exe, and I choose to buy the Assassination, choosing to pay twelve to definitely outbid everyone else, but that is all my money, would you reduce my bid to nine? Even if I requested you not to?
xinoehp512 he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Author Posted June 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said: Nice to know for sure. Would a player who's being executed need to pay the bribe? For example: If I end up losing the exe, and I choose to buy the Assassination, choosing to pay twelve to definitely outbid everyone else, but that is all my money, would you reduce my bid to nine? Even if I requested you not to? Do you mean blackmail? Yes, even a player up for the exe needs to (and will) pay blackmail. There's always the possibility you might not get exed.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 Quote Hi everyone, just a reminder that I am the IM for this game, so feel free to hit me up with any questions you have, and definitely let me know if something in the game makes you uncomfortable for whatever reason. 1
Mat he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Archer said: (Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? I can understand wanting to engage in the former approach, I'll just ask that you say things like "My red vote is elsewhere right now, but I'm probably going to land on Player X" instead of giving no updates on your developing suspicions. I plan to play this game like any other game, no funny vote tricks or placing it where I don’t actually want it to be or anything like that. I do agree with making sure to keep everyone updated if you do end up doing this, but I also like just checking the vote count to see where everyone’s at :P. The self voting strategy technically works but I’m not sure how much I like the idea of potentially sabotaging your own vote for the sake of keeping boxings away from someone else. I’m refusing to sus TUN for following it but I… kind of want to :P. 3 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: Vote=TUN This seems like a good idea, at least for a first vote. It's especially good because I always get voted on. What's your thoughts on bidding? I'm thinking we always need to come to a consensus on who's buying it so we can milk it for all it’s worth. For the others, voting one above minimum is probably best bang (or bribe) for your buck. This does read like an elim jumping on an idea that would help them but it’s you so it’s probably village No real read off of this post. I’m with Devo, definitely don’t try to do this :P. It’s the same principle iirc as the Rithmatist games, a lot of the value of any of the items comes from no one knowing you have it. This also reads elim to me but >> 2 hours ago, Clanky said: I can't say I've got a voting strategy yet. The Leader of Discussion mechanic does kinda make me want to avoid any kind of bandwagon early on as it will just lead to someone getting a bunch more money than anyone else. With such a small group of people in this game it will probably only take a couple failed lynchings for the infiltrators to outnumber us and giving the wrong person enough money for an early assassination could basically end the game on the spot. The counter to that is if it is a close vote it's easy for a couple bribe actions to push the vote anywhere. There's a lot to think about so that's why I'd say my strategy is so far nonexistent. Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one. That’s why I’m playing my votes this game completely normal I don’t see a point in everyone self voting, we wouldn’t get discussion and it’s too easy to swing. That’s an exaggeration, but I think the point stands— and I don’t think it’s worth keeping boxings away from someone else. We could still have discussion about who we actually suspect, but then what’s the point of the self votes? Everyone would just switch around close to rollover anyway. I like this better, but still I don’t think it’s a good idea. Anyone who claims to have bought a Bodyguard is likely a safe kill the next turn, and I don’t want to go there. Secret mechanics, in my experience, should stay secret Generally. The one exception I can think of is that an assassin buyer might want to claim after successfully killing someone, but that also would likely be a free kill for the elims. With nine people we probably have two elims. Three seems like far too many and I really doubt xino would make an elim suffer the single life right away I think I get lots of points for that. Guess we’ll see if the code likes it. vote=Tani
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: The self voting strategy technically works but I’m not sure how much I like the idea of potentially sabotaging your own vote for the sake of keeping boxings away from someone else. I’m refusing to sus TUN for following it but I… kind of want to :P. This does read like an elim jumping on an idea that would help them but it’s you so it’s probably village No real read off of this post. Oh no no no, you are not allowed to come in here right away and already tie me. That is simply not allowed. Well, it's better than me not voting, which is the norm for me. It's at least one boxing for me rather than no boxings at all. I would appreciate it if you voted me for it though, since I get money for it.
Archer he/him Posted June 27, 2022 Posted June 27, 2022 2 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: Vote=TUN This seems like a good idea, at least for a first vote. It's especially good because I always get voted on. >.> I guess that makes sense coming from you, but the result is the vote count right now is me and you tied for the lead from self-voting. I really thought people would throw down some stab votes that conveniently wouldn't ever move. It's free money, gang, stake your ground. 2 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: "An interesting strategy," stated Amoon. "Flawed," Ziel mused, frowning. "McCarty's plan deprives him of a chance to earn boxings. He stands to earn one boxing at most, and that by throwing away his chance of affecting the impeachment proceedings." "He sacrifices his own wealth to strike a blow against his enemies. You would do the same." "I know who our enemies are. We will shatter the power of the nobility and cast down their houses to the abyss they should have been condemned to when this land was forged anew. McCarty cannot tell friend from foe, for he has made the world his enemy." Amoon tilted her head. "Perhaps he shares our goal. Yoren's killer is unknown." "Hmm. Our allies from the Outer Basin have made their presence known. If McCarty truly is sympathetic to our aims, I will be sure not to kill him." "We are preparing to kill then." "Our primary goal is ensuring that none who are removed from office get replaced by yet more nobles seeking to extend their 1300 year legacy of tyranny. Yet those who refuse to relinquish power in the face of overwhelming opposition may need to be addressed with lethal measures." Amoon nodded. "I am your weapon." Definitely don't want to announce who's getting the bodyguard since then the elims can just not target that person and have them waste 5+ boxings. Bribery might warrant more discussion, but either nobody will want one since the exe is out of reach or it will be contentious since the people on all sides of the split votes will want one and can't be convinced otherwise or else they'd have changed their vote without the bribe. Designating someone as an assassin to kill a selected target might work so long as that player can't just buy a bodyguard to protect themselves. It is strange that both assassination and the elim kill block vote manipulation. @xinoehp512 is a killed player's vote also cancelled? “WHY are they saying I’m voting for myself, McCharles?” “You put your name in red, McCarty. That’s a self vote in these impeachment proceedings.” “I did NO such thing! I very clearly put it in GREEN. I detest using red, it’s such an unsightly shade.” McCarty’s secretary sighed. His employer’s color-blindness made his political tact unwieldy at times, but as his uncle, it was his responsibility to take care of him. “Did you hear of the death this morning, sir?” “I didn’t need to!” McCarty started waving a sword for dramatic effect. “Everyone saw the green sun rise – BLOOD has been spilt this night!” “You mean red sun.” “I’m your nephew, not your son. Quit making mistakes, I already feel my face beginning to flush bright…” “Red.” “RED. I’m turning red! With ANGER at this murder. What’s next!” The NK also comes before the Assassain, so there's a high incentive to simply snipe anyone who gets enough boxings to threaten that, especially if they're the only person who gets enough for it. My gut would say that people are more likely to go for the kill than to Bodyguard themselves if they have the money for either. So the elims could probably bet on that, but its an IKYK. 1 hour ago, Clanky said: Active on the floor and loudest voice only counts replies to other players as far as I understood the rules (and it looks like the website is confirming it with Archer being at zero for both) so getting to 200 words for non-quote replies doesn't mean anything. I can't say I've got a voting strategy yet. The Leader of Discussion mechanic does kinda make me want to avoid any kind of bandwagon early on as it will just lead to someone getting a bunch more money than anyone else. With such a small group of people in this game it will probably only take a couple failed lynchings for the infiltrators to outnumber us and giving the wrong person enough money for an early assassination could basically end the game on the spot. The counter to that is if it is a close vote it's easy for a couple bribe actions to push the vote anywhere. There's a lot to think about so that's why I'd say my strategy is so far nonexistent I also just realized how much you need to type to get to 200 words. I often don't have that much to say in a response to someone. I don't think we need consensus. The senators won't know who will be telling the truth and the infiltrators could use the fact that everything is anonymous to allow one of their teammates to take their action allowing us to lose any of the real benefits of this. I do think we can try and minimize the information asymmetry in some way though. Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one. the robot doesn't like me. :/ But yes, 200 is a lot. I have started doing the student thing where you break up contractions so you get two words for the price of one. As for bidding wars, I think that buying bribes is a waste of time. We can create more money than would be generated otherwise if we all shift to the winning train near the end of the cycle, so vote manip should have limited potential. I will note though that it's the type that provides a two vote shift on a pair of opposing trains. Minus one from the one, plus one to the other. I imagine they'll only be relevant if we run into money troubles and the elims gather a nest egg. Fun fact, by the way, the Assassain ability is worded so that an elim using it has their bribe increased automatically, because hitting a villager triggers the increase. So they'll probably leave it alone, which gives them more cash to spend elsewhere. Not knowing the refill rate of the actions shop, I'm tempted to suggest buying things like bribes just to take them off the board, but I don't think we can afford that. 1 hour ago, The Unknown Novel said: You just need to get to more fifty. I think Archer was under the mistaken assumption that there was a most posts reward like in the other game of Xino's, which was very similar to this one, that he looked over. That is what would make sense to me at least. Well, the point would not be to choose a specific player to kill, it would be to pick a trusted player and agree among the villagers to not fight for the kill against that person. Yeah, that other game is still in my head. The way I understand it now, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is that a quote response gets you a boxing per person, then if they are 200 words responses, that total puts you in contention for the Loudest Voice prize. @xinoehp512 what happens if there's a tie for this? I assume a random single person gets it, but I won't say no to multiple people getting rich. :P. Lets look at how quickly you can earn yourself an Assassain fee. There's eight other players, minus two each round. So 6 in C2, 4 in C3. You spend 3 boxings a cycle paying off the bribe. So your earnings are (8-3)=5, (6-3)=3, (4-3)=1, then we're into negative territory, which is an interesting wrinkle. At the end of C3 you've earned nine boxings, although you could forgo the bribe in an act of self sacrifice and strike at the end of C2 with your 11 boxings stockpile. Or you may have gained boxings from any other source, which would allow you to less recklessly strike C2, but the 6 boxing toll the next round will effectively kill you. Actually killing an extra person messes those calculations up. And the possibility of bidding wars. 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: but I also like just checking the vote count to see where everyone’s at :P. I think I get lots of points for that. Guess we’ll see if the code likes it. I like this better, but still I don’t think it’s a good idea. Anyone who claims to have bought a Bodyguard is likely a safe kill the next turn, and I don’t want to go there. Secret mechanics, in my experience, should stay secret Generally. The one exception I can think of is that an assassin buyer might want to claim after successfully killing someone, but that also would likely be a free kill for the elims. Well now I feel bad for making Xino's vote tally code obsolete by keeping my vote stable. I also like the approach of just writing things and seeing if the robot likes it, because if I don't get at least 4 points from this post I will just be giving up and playing as normal. I am of a split mind when it comes to revealing your potential purchases. On the one hand, we should all claim to be buying the Bodyguard item for an outrageous price every single round so the elims have a harder time picking NK targets or overpay to keep it out of our hands. I also think that everyone should maintain a stockpile of as many boxings as possible so they're able to buy items like the Bodyguard. Otherwise the NKs will exclusively target rich people and the elims will have an easy time picking off the survivors who can't afford to outbid them on anything. The nightmare scenario is two elims buy vote manips and have a 4 vote bloc to work with. I doubt they'll risk hammering and getting outbid, thus foiling their plot and revealing who they are, but it'd be a good idea to have enough money spread among the village that boxings aren't ever a problem. sorry about the long post, I had to get some 200 word responses in
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