Clanky he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Luckspren said: Assassin is 9+ boxings, blackmail is 3. JNV is the only player who could have bought an assassin, and as he is the only unexplained death... now I'm confused. How did he die? JNV was 'killed', Tani was 'investigated'. What's the difference? Oh wait, with the 'Leader of Discussion' thing, Archer had 8 or 11 depending on how it was counted. But no... blackmail... still max of 8 boxings to spend... Someone with a better math brain, help. Is there any way for anyone but JNV to have bought an assassin? Also @Clanky, double post Yeah sorry about the double post. After my first post you edited your post with something that I wanted to respond to. I don't like adding fully new thoughts to a post since people can easily miss it if they already read the post once. I forget the rules about double posting here. Is that bad form? If so I will avoid it in the future. I just think it prevents confusion rather than editing in completely new thoughts. You're correct nobody could have actually bought an assassination this turn. I edited my post about the assassination purchase just before you posted this(which is a good example of the confusion of editing) because I realized the same thing you said and there was no way for anyone to afford to buy the assassination. The infiltrator kill even happens before the assassination so there's no way JNV could've bought it before dying.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: Because I checked just a couple of minutes before End of Day and saw that I only had a single vote whereas the lead train had three, so I wasn't all that worried about dying that turn. You might not have been worried about dying, but what were your thoughts on who should die? You didn't feel the need to vote for me and put it to a tie, so did that mean you supported Tani's death or were you just concerned about keeping the one extra boxing from being the only vote on you? 4 hours ago, Clanky said: The reason for not actively going for lots of money could be part of what I was talking about in the first part. If the elims mean to target players with lots of boxings then you don't want to seem suspicious if you are the only high income person who hasn't been killed by the elim kill. It's not a good reason, it's mostly just the change from sign-ups to ingame activity. But maybe that's not weird. Also matrim didn't leave a vote on themselves which is part of my reasons I'm suspicious of TUN. I also would not add a third vote to someone this early in a cycle without very good reason, especially when there are no other votes on anyone else yet. There's enough people who got to 8 that this feels unlikely unless it's TUN and Archer/Stick. I don't think I'd want to vote for someone for being rich and not dead, though the elims have shown willingness to kill rich villagers so it's some evidence. Archer was the one who self-voted first, not Mat. Why didn't you go for more money? There were three people you didn't respond to that you could have paid off your blackmail with. "You have to aspire to be more than a weapon. What are your goals, your desires? Why do you walk this path of ruin with me?" "I am unable to be anything else. I was the Lord Ruler's weapon for four centuries, and Harmony's for three. Now, I am yours." "I am not Harmony. I do not ask for your service, only that you seek a Scadrial where bloodline does not confer power and everyone is provided the resources and opportunities they need to pursue the life they choose, or stand aside if you do not. Surely there must be limits to your service, or else you would be at Harmony's side still." "If you tried to take power afterwards, I would stop you." "Kill me?" "If I must." Ziel laughed. "I must admit, that is a relief to hear. My family wanted me to be another Last Emperor. I was raised on stories of him, trained to be a perfect ruler, even named after him. Turning into him has been my greatest fear for most of my life. I've read extensively on how quickly his pretty ideals crumbled in the face of opposition to become cruel tyranny. How easily the thoughts of dismantling the Steel Ministry and hereditary nobility were dropped in favor of convenience and expediency. Long term efforts to finally grant skaa control over their destinies were walked back again and again until he ran out of time, and the Empire would have continued on as it had for a thousand years were it not for Sazed. Even the powers of a deity were not enough to excise the corruption that has suffused our world since the Lord Ruler granted himself and his supporters a divine right to rule so many centuries ago, and if I sought power in the wake of my planned destruction I would become another source of corruption instead of a remedy. No, I always knew my journey would end once I carved a path for the people of this world to make their own choices unimpeded, but for your sake I'll make sure of it." Edited June 29, 2022 by Devotary of Spontaneity Fixed RP
Clanky he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: There's enough people who got to 8 that this feels unlikely unless it's TUN and Archer/Stick. I don't think I'd want to vote for someone for being rich and not dead, though the elims have shown willingness to kill rich villagers so it's some evidence. Archer was the one who self-voted first, not Mat. Why didn't you go for more money? There were three people you didn't respond to that you could have paid off your blackmail with. I don't think it's strong evidence. It was just the change in activity for TUN that made me think about it. It was a big change and I'm interested in why. I don't expect everyone to respond to everyone every cycle. As for me, I thought I had responded to 7 people. I lost one boxing because I made a list in response to JNV that the website didn't pick up as a response and I forgot to get up to 50 words in my response to stick.
Mat he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 Found my way to a computer. Time for an actual post! I did ask xino if he had any PHers lined up to swap me out, just because I feel pressed for time to play the game, but in reality I'd probably be fine and maybe that was unnecessary, but hey :P. 12 hours ago, Archer said: Going by my shortlist I've come up with, you and Stick are my two top suspects, so I'll appreciate your eventual case against them. I've penciled in Luckspren as a potential teammate of one of you, which would explain the GM's generosity Losing an elim messes with the balance more than losing a villager does. That's meta speculation though, so I'm putting it on the backburner. I interpreted the sparing as to Luckspren just being new. Why do you say they work as an elim? For Stick, after rereading C1, her Tani elim read seems extremely forced to me. Like she predetermined that she wanted to push Tani this turn, and then came up with a post accordingly. Like, there's a longpost where she accuses Archer/Tani of being e/e because she says a post from Tani reads like an 'artificially constructed suspicion on Archer', when the post in question barely responds to Archer at all and definitely isn't doing so in an accusatory way. I could maybe see it if Stick had played the e/e card by saying that Tani was responding to a teammate for distancing, but she didn't say that at all and it just reads like a predetermined read. Immediately following that, Stick makes another point on Tani, one that maybe is more valid but still not very. Again it reads like Stick had to look for reasons to suspect Tani, and upon not finding anything good had to make something up. Also I know I effort clear too easy but how can Stick possibly have gut read JNV as elim xD Another point for Stick, the one I mentioned yesterday, is that to me a lot of her reads feel overly quick and made just for the sake of having them. Things like reading TUN as village for asking NAI questions to the GM, or reading me village for not prioritizing three boxings over voting where I actually felt best voting, don't feel right. vote=Stick Archer, you're probably right that I should have started with that, but I wanted to write the case first. 17 hours ago, Archer said: --Why was there no vote manipulation? E!Devo had the money to solidify their position, so either they saw Tani wasn’t on to self pres and knew that vote manip would look suspicious when they were ostensibly trying to diversify the wagons. Or they’re village, which is what I’m going with here. Devo probably just trusted the self pres would work- I don't think that I would have bought anything in that position, elim or not. Then again I didn't have the money for it anyway :D. Devo did though, with an Active on the Floor score of 8. (Also, sidenote, I figured out that the bot counts when you quote and respond to yourself, since I did that at the end of last turn and it gave me a boxing for it. Just a PSA ) But I also think that in general no one would have wanted to buy anything C1 when we all started with 0 and there's a death filter of 3 every turn. I know I wanted to save up a bit more :P. 17 hours ago, Archer said: -Why’d TUN keep his vote in place? It’s such a ridiculous risk to take in a game with vote manipulation and Devo trying to disrupt the 2:2 wagons by making them 2:2:1+ instead of 2:3. Village points for having a casual disregard for their own life. I could counter this by saying I give it elim points for voting for money rather than for an elim, but that might be my personal philosophy rather than a legit reason. I do think TUN should have switched to someone they actually wanted dead, though. I don't really read it as casual disregard for their own life since they could see that there were a couple of actual trains and that no one was voting on them. Definitely not a 'ridiculous risk', at least. 16 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: What were you Stick thoughts again? I haven't read the EoD yet and will probably only skim it. Also, I am just going to ramble so I can get to fifty words, Xino, if you have a problem with that, just tell me, or doc me a boxing or whatever. Oh, looky there. Here I am. I mean, I have a slight problem with that It's not exactly spirit of the rules. And if I have a response that isn't 50, like this one, I'll just leave it at that cause I don't care that much. But I guess you did prioritize a single boxing over voting someone you suspect, so idk. 16 hours ago, Luckspren said: Who instructed me to ask questions from my google doc? Um... what? I wrote in google docs because it has word count, but... am I missing something here? Why is this sus? You passed the test! Unless Stick's elim, then you didn't pass the test. I guess anyone could have seen Stick's post and then warned you accordingly but this reads village to me anyway along with the rest of your post so eh. Maybe I shouldn't give you too much credit but I always like to see a new player find their footing, keep it up 16 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Free boxing for TUN. I would have preferred exing Mat to Tani last cycle but I knew if it didn't take off I would switch back. I should have been on faster this cycle since now vote=Matrim doesn't earn boxings. What's the case on me again? I gut read this push as elim but I'm aware that's likely bias from being the party who's name is in read, and upon rereading C1 Devo is as unreadable to me as ever Or correction, I can read Devo off of votes, and so far she's 0/2 but the game hasn't been going for very long and I worry it'll be too short for me to get an actual read of her. 12 hours ago, Clanky said: Question for people who have played more recently, is TUN normally among the most active players? Was the sign-up activity more normal or the level of activity during the game? I would say that the activity you saw in C1 is about average for everyone. Stick just showed up late, Archer is always a leader of discussion (pun intended :P) and TUN normally posts as much as he did. The one thing different I would say is that I normally am more active than I was, but I'm on vacation so this is what you get 12 hours ago, Luckspren said: Hopes someone about to die is village? Sus... In general (unless you're Archer thinking that elims purposely give public bad info) elims wouldn't blatantly hope someone flips village since, yes, it's not a good look. In this case it was a selfishly worded post by me, which is why I reworded it right before rollover: 20 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: What I meant to say here is: I hope Tani is elim because then an elim is dead. :D. See, much better I was being self-motivated in that rather than game motivated, but you can trust when I say that, of course I'd rather Tani have been elim. I'd have had to fight for my life today, but apparently that's still true xD At least I've learned to fight for my life not by responding only to votes on me though. 2
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 16 hours ago, Archer said: That cycle did not end when I thought it would. Other things are confusing me too. --Why’d JNV die? It indicates an elim team active after he posted, which gives me an excuse to discount Luckspren as a suspect for now. I’m also getting a light v!Clanky vibe from it because he explicitly called JNV out for making a wallpost that was hard to parse, which seems bold for an elim about to kill them out of spite. If it’s about his vote on Devo, it could be e!Devo, but we’ll get to that in a moment. Or maybe this was just about the money, since I believe he was due to receive the Loudest Voice honors. --Why was there no vote manipulation? E!Devo had the money to solidify their position, so either they saw Tani wasn’t on to self pres and knew that vote manip would look suspicious when they were ostensibly trying to diversify the wagons. Or they’re village, which is what I’m going with here. -Why’d TUN keep his vote in place? It’s such a ridiculous risk to take in a game with vote manipulation and Devo trying to disrupt the 2:2 wagons by making them 2:2:1+ instead of 2:3. Village points for having a casual disregard for their own life. You really should vote for people early if you're going to suss them anyway. Those EoD comments didn't look great so I'll provide an example of how to do it :P. vote=Mat I'm guessing JNV died either because the elims wanted to get rid of the Loudest Voice to deprive the village of extra boxings or because they wanted a low-info kill and weren't around after JNV posted. I agree that the lack of vote manip mostly looks good for Devo, although I wouldn't say it's enough to clear them or anything. 15 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: What were you Stick thoughts again? I haven't read the EoD yet and will probably only skim it. Also, I am just going to ramble so I can get to fifty words, Xino, if you have a problem with that, just tell me, or doc me a boxing or whatever. Oh, looky there. Here I am. Same, I had absolutely no idea when it ended and went through a Roller coaster of emotions. Because I checked just a couple of minutes before End of Day and saw that I only had a single vote whereas the lead train had three, so I wasn't all that worried about dying that turn. Can't put my finger on why exactly but this post actually made me revaluate my village read of you - I'd say youre still mild village to me, but milder than you were last cycle. I think it's the fact that being unaware of the roll over times is NAI as I've seen it with both elims and villagers. Conversely, I would be feeling a lot better about you if you'd purposefully left your vote on yourself while being aware of the risks cuz that nonchalance is pretty village. 15 hours ago, Luckspren said: Okay, so I need to post more... a lot more... got it. If I end up dying, I'd rather it not be the bot that killed me- that's not gonna help us figure out who's evil. Who instructed me to ask questions from my google doc? Um... what? I wrote in google docs because it has word count, but... am I missing something here? Why is this sus? Yeah, like others have pointed out, that google doc question was just me trying to bait elim!you into giving yourself and your teammates away >:) Stuff like this almost never ever actually works, but it's interesting to see how people respond to it anyway. So yes, an elim teammate could theoretically have told you how to respond to that, and I'm not a big fan of how that response is phrased in a way that implies you do not know that elims share a doc in SE. It's possible you don't, since the rules post for this particular game doesn't mention the fact that they do get a doc (it is always assumed that they do, but most games explicitly state that in the rules too). Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. 15 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Killing a village loudest voice is a reasonable choice for the elims to make, since it prevents villagers from purchasing assassins and bodyguards. I could have bought vote manipulation but it's expensive and it didn't seem like anyone cared enough about my death to get me killed. Had I stronger suspicions of Tani being an elim I probably would have bought a bribe. Free boxing for TUN. I would have preferred exing Mat to Tani last cycle but I knew if it didn't take off I would switch back. I should have been on faster this cycle since now vote=Matrim doesn't earn boxings. Yeah. Tip for whoever wins Loudest Voice today: buy a bodyguard please and thank you. Or at least let us pretend that you are. A little game of IKYK sounds fun. I think the elims are probably going to go for Archer if he's village. Is this fifty words yet? Okay it is ty. 12 hours ago, Archer said: Fair enough, but Devo could have pretty easily used a vote manip to build on your wagon and make a tie between you and Tani. Actually your vote plus two from Devo would make a three vote wagon, which would have won. So you should be more careful about that in future. At least pick someone who might be an elim in your eyes. I just realized it was probably a NK avoidance tactic never mind Hey Xino, it'd be cool if you could code a cycle countdown clock into your website. Maybe that's a thing you incorporate next time around or for a longer game. Thank you for the suggestion. I forgot I needed 50 words in my response to a quote, I was thinking that I just needed a quote plus a one word response. But I think I understand now. Well we only have two more cycles of play to go, so spending money this round would be a good idea. I'd still prefer strong consolidation to keep the pool of potential Bodyguard buyers large, but this is an important cycle, so buying vote manip would be a reasonable idea. We can assume the elims will probably go for a hammer if we don't promise to counter with manip of our own. And it earns me boxings!:P. Thank you for your contribution. Going by my shortlist I've come up with, you and Stick are my two top suspects, so I'll appreciate your eventual case against them. I've penciled in Luckspren as a potential teammate of one of you, which would explain the GM's generosity Losing an elim messes with the balance more than losing a villager does. That's meta speculation though, so I'm putting it on the backburner. What's your case against me Archer? I wouldn't normally be asking but I need to interact with this post somehow lmao. Also what do you mean by the GM's generosity? The stuff in the action shop? Speaking of which, the number of bodyguards and assassins is still the same so is it safe to assume no one spent boxings on those? But for some reasons the bribes...doubled? idk. 12 hours ago, Clanky said: I do think that it's easier to leave a vote on yourself when you know there won't be a coordinated effort by some secret group with a google doc to potentially change the lynch target. I do also think it is strange how TUN went from working to win the pregame loudest voice (even as a joke) only to immediately fall down to being out of the top 5 for most replies and not even replying to all the players for active on the floor. It almost seems to me that some extra knowledge on the game starting changed the strategy to be more under the radar. vote=TUN Question for people who have played more recently, is TUN normally among the most active players? Was the sign-up activity more normal or the level of activity during the game? TUN's activity here seems about the usual - in my opinion their activity doesn't significantly vary with alignment but maybe I'm not the best judge of that. I wouldn't really read too much into how active they were pregame, since IRL can just as easily cause activity disruptions. They don't usually post super super frequently, as far as I know. 11 hours ago, Luckspren said: Hopes someone about to die is village? Sus... but I'm not going to trust my instincts too much because... I was reading back through posts, getting vague E! reads on Mat and Devo- then realizing that makes no sense with Mat voting for Devo and Devo voting for Mat twice... so it's highly unlikely to be both of them. So now I'm just confused... Who is the richest? Did JNV get his loudest voice boxings before death, or did they transfer to @_Stick_? If they don't transfer to the nest person in line, then Archer, Devo, and Stick, should all have 5 boxings right now unless they bought something or I miscounted. Archer's leading Loudest Voice rn Nope I didn't get any boxings for Loudest Voice JNV's corpse got them all If you suspect Mat/Devo then you should probably vote there - while it might seem to you that they make an unlikely pair because of their vote patterns, notice how Devo's temporary vote on Mat didn't really make an impact to anything and in the bigger picture, neither did Mat's vote on Devo. In my opinion they aren't paired since e!Devo was put at significant risk, but I wouldn't put it past anyone here to not take that chance if it meant good distancing and village cred. 46 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: [1]I could maybe see it if Stick had played the e/e card by saying that Tani was responding to a teammate for distancing, but she didn't say that at all and it just reads like a predetermined read. Immediately following that, Stick makes another point on Tani, one that maybe is more valid but still not very. Again it reads like Stick had to look for reasons to suspect Tani, and upon not finding anything good had to make something up. [2]Also I know I effort clear too easy but how can Stick possibly have gut read JNV as elim xD Another point for Stick, the one I mentioned yesterday, is that to me a lot of her reads feel overly quick and made just for the sake of having them. Things like reading TUN as village for asking NAI questions to the GM, or reading me village for not prioritizing three boxings over voting where I actually felt best voting, don't feel right. vote=Stick Archer, you're probably right that I should have started with that, but I wanted to write the case first. Devo probably just trusted the self pres would work- I don't think that I would have bought anything in that position, elim or not. Then again I didn't have the money for it anyway :D. Devo did though, with an Active on the Floor score of 8. (Also, sidenote, I figured out that the bot counts when you quote and respond to yourself, since I did that at the end of last turn and it gave me a boxing for it. Just a PSA ) But I also think that in general no one would have wanted to buy anything C1 when we all started with 0 and there's a death filter of 3 every turn. I know I wanted to save up a bit more :P. I could counter this by saying I give it elim points for voting for money rather than for an elim, but that might be my personal philosophy rather than a legit reason. I do think TUN should have switched to someone they actually wanted dead, though. I don't really read it as casual disregard for their own life since they could see that there were a couple of actual trains and that no one was voting on them. Definitely not a 'ridiculous risk', at least. I mean, I have a slight problem with that It's not exactly spirit of the rules. And if I have a response that isn't 50, like this one, I'll just leave it at that cause I don't care that much. But I guess you did prioritize a single boxing over voting someone you suspect, so idk. You passed the test! Unless Stick's elim, then you didn't pass the test. I guess anyone could have seen Stick's post and then warned you accordingly but this reads village to me anyway along with the rest of your post so eh. Maybe I shouldn't give you too much credit but I always like to see a new player find their footing, keep it up What's the case on me again? I gut read this push as elim but I'm aware that's likely bias from being the party who's name is in read, and upon rereading C1 Devo is as unreadable to me as ever Or correction, I can read Devo off of votes, and so far she's 0/2 but the game hasn't been going for very long and I worry it'll be too short for me to get an actual read of her. I would say that the activity you saw in C1 is about average for everyone. Stick just showed up late, Archer is always a leader of discussion (pun intended :P) and TUN normally posts as much as he did. The one thing different I would say is that I normally am more active than I was, but I'm on vacation so this is what you get In general (unless you're Archer thinking that elims purposely give public bad info) elims wouldn't blatantly hope someone flips village since, yes, it's not a good look. In this case it was a selfishly worded post by me, which is why I reworded it right before rollover: See, much better I was being self-motivated in that rather than game motivated, but you can trust when I say that, of course I'd rather Tani have been elim. I'd have had to fight for my life today, but apparently that's still true xD At least I've learned to fight for my life not by responding only to votes on me though. [1] I did mean to imply it was distancing [2] Look bro in a quick fix I gotta make them reads quick alright They aren't the strongest reads and neither are they well constructed but I think they're fine for a QF. I think I'm still reading you as village - Archer made a point about your EoD comments but I find it odd that e!you would bother changing your entire statement about how you hope Tani's a villager cuz no one actually challenged you on that or brought up how that's an extremely non-villagery thing to say, so it would've probably been better for e!you to leave it as it was rather than going 180-degrees around that statement in a way that seemed too self-conscious. I guess I can see your elim teammate pointing it out to you in the doc, but it would've been more effective if they pointed it out in thread first as that would've at least made for some decent distancing. To me that complete change of stance seems village. Okay, now things. I have 5 boxings now, and if I'm doing the math right I should have enough by this cycle to buy an assassin >:). So I will do this. Or will I? ;eyes; Yes I will. I haven't decided who to use it on, but I'll probably make my mind up by the end of the cycle. If anyone has suggestions, please PM me. Not a great idea to suggest kill targets in-thread. Reads: Village: Devo, TUN, Archer, Mat Elims by PoE: Clanky, Luckspren vote= Clanky 1
Archer he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) Well now I feel icky about voting for Mat. I'm on a short break right now so I'll make a longer response in a few hours where I hopefully figure out who is actually evil. 18 hours ago, Archer said: -Why’d JNV die? It indicates an elim team active after he posted, which gives me an excuse to discount Luckspren as a suspect for now. To clarify this statement, I'm not setting aside Luckspren as a suspect, but I do think there's another elim within the group of Mat/Stick. The JNV kill had to be a change of plan made after they posted, during which time Luckspren was away otherwise they'd have been encouraged by their teammate to better dodge the blackmail filter. Even if they were lurking, I don't see rookie!them making that executive decision to presumably override the previous kill choice without consulting the other elim. So I'd prefer to kill the other elim in play (the more catchable person). I'm not convinced they're evil though. Clanky's TUN vote has me suspicious. Potential them and Mat are teamed. I don't see an elim taking unnecessary risks, and think the elim team would be scared enough of Devo and the power they would have to kill TUN on their own if they wanted to to take adequate precautions. And then Devo not vote manipping still seems strongly village. So I'm sticking to those reads. But then I'm struggling with Mat's comment being too obviously evil to be evil. Stick is about to ninja me but I don't have time to read it so see ya in a bit Edit: quick response to Stick, I'm also using POE, but if your POE is all new or inactive players, it's usually wrong Edited June 29, 2022 by Archer
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Archer said: Edit: quick response to Stick, I'm also using POE, but if your POE is all new or inactive players, it's usually wrong Yeah, I noticed that I'm not confident about Luckyspren's position there on my PoE list. Could and probably should sub them out for Devo or Mat. All you've got going for you is tone to be honest - I don't think I've got any substantial reason to be trusting you other than gut but I'm gonna stick with my village read of you for this cycle and see how things develop later. If I had to choose a replacement for Luckyspren's position on my PoE from among Devo and Mat, I'd go with Devo because they're really only in my village reads due to the state of votes from the last cycle. But like I said in my previous post, I wouldn't put it past anyone to take that chance. The odds of a villager actually using vote manip D1 was always low because no one had strong opinion on anything, so the risk there wasn't ever that big if you think about it. What I think I'm getting from last cycle's votes is that Mat/Devo paired E/E is less likely.
Mat he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, _Stick_ said: I'm guessing JNV died either because the elims wanted to get rid of the Loudest Voice to deprive the village of extra boxings or because they wanted a low-info kill and weren't around after JNV posted. I agree that the lack of vote manip mostly looks good for Devo, although I wouldn't say it's enough to clear them or anything. A low-info kill on someone slated to be killed by the blackmail filter? No, the JNV killer was definitely on after they posted, and was probably due to them winning Loudest Voice. Or we're reading too much into it and they just did what I normally do- look at the player list for about two seconds and go eh, that feels right. I think the lack of manip is NAI since villagers have a sense of self pres as well- if I'm in danger of the exe, I'm likely gonna manip away from me because I know what result my exe would have, and that's true no matter my alignment. So I think that v!Devo is as likely to manip as e!Devo (see: MR58). 2 hours ago, _Stick_ said: [1] I did mean to imply it was distancing Yeah, I know- that wasn't my point. You said it was distancing, but you said it was distancing because Tani was forcing a suspicion on Archer. When I read Tani's post, I don't see Tani sussing Archer at all, I see her replying to him normally. So that's weird, and seems like a fake read on your part. 2 hours ago, _Stick_ said: [2] Look bro in a quick fix I gotta make them reads quick alright They aren't the strongest reads and neither are they well constructed but I think they're fine for a QF. Yeah, I know- and as someone who's been village and has been voted on for coming up with reads too quick, I understand :P. But I think the difference is, in my case, it was normally just "reading x as village/elim' with no actual reasoning, just gut, and you have reasons that I don't think hold up super well. But maybe I shouldn't be suspecting you for having reads and reasons for those reads, yeah :P. Though, @Archer, I do see what you mean about Stick/Luckspren being e/e. 2 hours ago, Archer said: Clanky's TUN vote has me suspicious. Clanky is decidedly null for me right now, which maybe should have me worried. I remember the majority of their posts having to do with mechanics rather than suspicions and thoughts but that very easily could be me misremembering and I'd have to go check- if that's the case, I think he'd slide down to more e. Reads: Archer Devo TUN Clanky Luckspren Stick I have too many nulls but Devo could be moved up and Clanky/Luckspren can be moved down. My bottom tier being Stick and Stick's elim reads is awkward though. 1 hour ago, _Stick_ said: I'd go with Devo because they're really only in my village reads due to the state of votes from the last cycle. But like I said in my previous post, I wouldn't put it past anyone to take that chance. The odds of a villager actually using vote manip D1 was always low because no one had strong opinion on anything This is weird to reply to in the same post where I had to argue against you that it isn't clearing for Devo not to have manipped xD I guess that was mostly Archer who was pushing that. But it is interesting to me that you initially agreed with him and are walking that back. Maybe that's just honest progression. @Clanky, have you posted a reads list? If not, can you? Edit: @xinoehp512 does the cycle end in 1 hr 8 min, or 2 hr 8 min? I still can't tell xD Edited June 29, 2022 by Matrim's Dice
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: A low-info kill on someone slated to be killed by the blackmail filter? You have a point. 22 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: [1]Yeah, I know- that wasn't my point. You said it was distancing, but you said it was distancing because Tani was forcing a suspicion on Archer. When I read Tani's post, I don't see Tani sussing Archer at all, I see her replying to him normally. So that's weird, and seems like a fake read on your part. Yeah, I know- and as someone who's been village and has been voted on for coming up with reads too quick, I understand :P. But I think the difference is, in my case, it was normally just "reading x as village/elim' with no actual reasoning, just gut, and you have reasons that I don't think hold up super well. But maybe I shouldn't be suspecting you for having reads and reasons for those reads, yeah :P. Though, @Archer, I do see what you mean about Stick/Luckspren being e/e. Clanky is decidedly null for me right now, which maybe should have me worried. I remember the majority of their posts having to do with mechanics rather than suspicions and thoughts but that very easily could be me misremembering and I'd have to go check- if that's the case, I think he'd slide down to more e. Reads: Archer Devo TUN Clanky Luckspren Stick [2]I have too many nulls but Devo could be moved up and Clanky/Luckspren can be moved down. My bottom tier being Stick and Stick's elim reads is awkward though. This is weird to reply to in the same post where I had to argue against you that it isn't clearing for Devo not to have manipped xD I guess that was mostly Archer who was pushing that. But it is interesting to me that you initially agreed with him and are walking that back. Maybe that's just honest progression. @Clanky, have you posted a reads list? If not, can you? Edit: @xinoehp512 does the cycle end in 1 hr 8 min, or 2 hr 8 min? I still can't tell xD [1] There was definitely an accusatory tone underlying that post of hers xD I just reread the post and yes you're right she didn't particularly suspect him of anything but it definitely reads as such. [2] If you want Devo dead today I could change my vote since there's less than 2 hours left in the turn and my Clanky vote doesn't seem to be leading to anything and your vote on me isn't doing much at the moment either. vote=Devotary
Clanky he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 Looks like there's nothing weird about TUNs activity that makes me less suspicious than before. 1 hour ago, Archer said: Edit: quick response to Stick, I'm also using POE, but if your POE is all new or inactive players, it's usually wrong I'm not new, I'm just very old so I seem new to everyone but Stick. So Sticks POE didn't technically only have new people on it. 1 hour ago, _Stick_ said: Okay, now things. I have 5 boxings now, and if I'm doing the math right I should have enough by this cycle to buy an assassin >:). So I will do this. Or will I? ;eyes; Yes I will. I haven't decided who to use it on, but I'll probably make my mind up by the end of the cycle. If anyone has suggestions, please PM me. Not a great idea to suggest kill targets in-thread. Reads: Village: Devo, TUN, Archer, Mat Elims by PoE: Clanky, Luckspren vote= Clanky I'm pretty sure saying who you think is an elim while also saying that you plan to assassinate someone is very close to actually suggesting kill targets in the thread. But it's possibly also just a ploy to try and get people to spend money on the bodyguard while also stopping anyone from trying to buy the assassin. 2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: Immediately following that, Stick makes another point on Tani, one that maybe is more valid but still not very. Again it reads like Stick had to look for reasons to suspect Tani, and upon not finding anything good had to make something up. Also I know I effort clear too easy but how can Stick possibly have gut read JNV as elim xD Another point for Stick, the one I mentioned yesterday, is that to me a lot of her reads feel overly quick and made just for the sake of having them. Things like reading TUN as village for asking NAI questions to the GM, or reading me village for not prioritizing three boxings over voting where I actually felt best voting, don't feel right. Devo probably just trusted the self pres would work- I don't think that I would have bought anything in that position, elim or not. Then again I didn't have the money for it anyway :D. Devo did though, with an Active on the Floor score of 8. (Also, sidenote, I figured out that the bot counts when you quote and respond to yourself, since I did that at the end of last turn and it gave me a boxing for it. Just a PSA ) But I also think that in general no one would have wanted to buy anything C1 when we all started with 0 and there's a death filter of 3 every turn. I know I wanted to save up a bit more :P. I could counter this by saying I give it elim points for voting for money rather than for an elim, but that might be my personal philosophy rather than a legit reason. I do think TUN should have switched to someone they actually wanted dead, though. I don't really read it as casual disregard for their own life since they could see that there were a couple of actual trains and that no one was voting on them. Definitely not a 'ridiculous risk', at least. I would say that the activity you saw in C1 is about average for everyone. Stick just showed up late, Archer is always a leader of discussion (pun intended :P) and TUN normally posts as much as he did. The one thing different I would say is that I normally am more active than I was, but I'm on vacation so this is what you get Seems like everybody is confirming that this type of activity is normal for TUN, I'm still getting more elim rather than villager vibes from TUN but that does make it less so. I might change my vote in a bit once I go through everything to make a full reads list. I think Devo being comfortable without doing any voting manipulation is slightly more elim feeling than villager, If you know that the person with more votes than you is a villager and they didn't have enough boxing to buy a bribe then you wouldn't have to worry about a teammate of theirs bribing the vote against you. 8 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Clanky is decidedly null for me right now, which maybe should have me worried. I remember the majority of their posts having to do with mechanics rather than suspicions and thoughts but that very easily could be me misremembering and I'd have to go check- if that's the case, I think he'd slide down to more e. Reads: Archer Devo TUN Clanky Luckspren Stick I have too many nulls but Devo could be moved up and Clanky/Luckspren can be moved down. My bottom tier being Stick and Stick's elim reads is awkward though. This is weird to reply to in the same post where I had to argue against you that it isn't clearing for Devo not to have manipped xD I guess that was mostly Archer who was pushing that. But it is interesting to me that you initially agreed with him and are walking that back. Maybe that's just honest progression. @Clanky, have you posted a reads list? If not, can you? Yeah, most of my posts were rule/mechanic and strategy based early. I find that's the easiest way to get into discussion because there's not much to base suspicions on. I will try an put together a quick reads lists now. Reads: Archer: Lean village. The self vote strategy from cycle one could be a bit odd, if everyone followed that then we don't get any good discussion early. But did move the vote off later Luckspren: ???. New player, hasn't done anything really suspicous and seems to be acting like I expect a new player to (confused). I don't think the GM save is anything more than because of being new Mat: Neutral. Didn't get too many thoughts after cycle 1. I don't think the post about hoping Tani is village is an elim thing. Just a weird thing. The quick double vote against in cycle two has me interested in devo Stick: Lean Elim. This one is mostly vibes, and maybe since Stick is the only one I've played with before I just have some bias Devo: Lean elim. Don't like the quick second vote on mat in cycle two, seemed like an attempt to get a bandwagon going early. The lack of self preservation with bribes was weird (I talked about it above) TUN: Lean Elim. Leaving the self vote on round one was odd to me. The change in activity is apparently normal so I won't look into that much. Hasn't really done anything this cycle so haven't had any new thoughts
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Clanky said: Looks like there's nothing weird about TUNs activity that makes me less suspicious than before. I'm not new, I'm just very old so I seem new to everyone but Stick. So Sticks POE didn't technically only have new people on it. [1]I'm pretty sure saying who you think is an elim while also saying that you plan to assassinate someone is very close to actually suggesting kill targets in the thread. But it's possibly also just a ploy to try and get people to spend money on the bodyguard while also stopping anyone from trying to buy the assassin. Seems like everybody is confirming that this type of activity is normal for TUN, I'm still getting more elim rather than villager vibes from TUN but that does make it less so. I might change my vote in a bit once I go through everything to make a full reads list. [2]I think Devo being comfortable without doing any voting manipulation is slightly more elim feeling than villager, If you know that the person with more votes than you is a villager and they didn't have enough boxing to buy a bribe then you wouldn't have to worry about a teammate of theirs bribing the vote against you. Yeah, most of my posts were rule/mechanic and strategy based early. I find that's the easiest way to get into discussion because there's not much to base suspicions on. [3]I will try an put together a quick reads lists now. They don't know who I'm coming for >:] I have two people under 'elim' but I've expressed suspicion about more than two >:] [2] Yes, I agree. [3] Based off your reads list, you think TUN, Devo, and myself could be elims. With about an hour and half left in the turn, what do you think about moving your vote to either Devo or me? Each of us has a vote on us already so with your vote added to it it'd make it tied for the leading exe. I would obviously suggest Devo - but if it's all the same to you... ;eyes;
Archer he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Edit: @xinoehp512 does the cycle end in 1 hr 8 min, or 2 hr 8 min? I still can't tell xD Our amazing GM put a countdown clock on the bot page. Scroll to the bottom if you're on mobile. 12 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: and my Clanky vote doesn't seem to be leading to anything and your vote on me isn't doing much at the moment either. Didn't you just vote for him. Like two hours ago. You barely gave people time to consider it, which makes me think you are feeling the pressure more acutely than expected. This seems suspicious, worthy of suspicion, not how a villager would act, uncharacteristic for a townie, and generally not the vibe. Hmmm. 3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: With about an hour and half left in the turn, what do you think about moving your vote to either Devo or me? Each of us has a vote on us already so with your vote added to it it'd make it tied for the leading exe. I would obviously suggest Devo - but if it's all the same to you... ;eyes; why you say this why
xinoehp512 he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Author Posted June 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Edit: @xinoehp512 does the cycle end in 1 hr 8 min, or 2 hr 8 min? I still can't tell xD Cycle ends in roughly 1 hr 12 min as of this post. I have implemented a countdown timer: I do not know whether it works properly in timezones that are not EDT.
Mat he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: [1] There was definitely an accusatory tone underlying that post of hers xD I just reread the post and yes you're right she didn't particularly suspect him of anything but it definitely reads as such. [2] If you want Devo dead today I could change my vote since there's less than 2 hours left in the turn and my Clanky vote doesn't seem to be leading to anything and your vote on me isn't doing much at the moment either. vote=Devotary [1] Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree then xD I don’t see that at all. But sure I guess :P. [2] Do you… misunderstand what I mean by moving Devo up? You, Clanky, TUN, and Luckspren are all I think people I would rather exe. 39 minutes ago, Clanky said: I think Devo being comfortable without doing any voting manipulation is slightly hmore elim feeling than villager, If you know that the person with more votes than you is a villager and they didn't have enough boxing to buy a bribe then you wouldn't have to worry about a teammate of theirs bribing the vote against you. Yeah, most of my posts were rule/mechanic and strategy based early. I find that's the easiest way to get into discussion because there's not much to base suspicions on. I will try an put together a quick reads lists now. Reads: Archer: Lean village. The self vote strategy from cycle one could be a bit odd, if everyone followed that then we don't get any good discussion early. But did move the vote off later Luckspren: ???. New player, hasn't done anything really suspicous and seems to be acting like I expect a new player to (confused). I don't think the GM save is anything more than because of being new Mat: Neutral. Didn't get too many thoughts after cycle 1. I don't think the post about hoping Tani is village is an elim thing. Just a weird thing. The quick double vote against in cycle two has me interested in devo Stick: Lean Elim. This one is mostly vibes, and maybe since Stick is the only one I've played with before I just have some bias Devo: Lean elim. Don't like the quick second vote on mat in cycle two, seemed like an attempt to get a bandwagon going early. The lack of self preservation with bribes was weird (I talked about it above) TUN: Lean Elim. Leaving the self vote on round one was odd to me. The change in activity is apparently normal so I won't look into that much. Hasn't really done anything this cycle so haven't had any new thoughts That’s a Devo take for sure. Kinda want to give points for an unconventional read right there. That might be the easiest, but it’s also the easiest way for an elim to hide. Idk your meta, so that very well could just be normal for you I suppose. I think I lean village on this post, thanks. 23 minutes ago, Archer said: Didn't you just vote for him. Like two hours ago. You barely gave people time to consider it, which makes me think you are feeling the pressure more acutely than expected. This seems suspicious, worthy of suspicion, not how a villager would act, uncharacteristic for a townie, and generally not the vibe. Hmmm. why you say this why Does this mean you’re considering changing your vote? :). Also: @_Stick_, have you ran the numbers on your kill? Seven people now, 5-2. Elim kill and misexe and you misfiring gives 2-2. To me that seems like more of a risk than I would take but I guess if you’re confident :P. But I do know that an elim wouldn’t care about those numbers, sooooo :P. Edit: 18 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said: Cycle ends in roughly 1 hr 12 min as of this post. I have implemented a countdown timer: I do not know whether it works properly in timezones that are not EDT. Yeah, thanks. The timer works, I just can’t count and got confused a few hours ago when I tried to convert it— yesterday I was still on PST which is why I thought the cycle ended an hour earlier than it did, and then today I can’t do math so that’s cool. Edited June 29, 2022 by Matrim's Dice Aw, the bot doesn’t count edits for Loudest Voice. Or it just doesn’t count xino.
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Archer said: Didn't you just vote for him. Like two hours ago. You barely gave people time to consider it, which makes me think you are feeling the pressure more acutely than expected. This seems suspicious, worthy of suspicion, not how a villager would act, uncharacteristic for a townie, and generally not the vibe. Hmmm. Two hours is plenty of time to think if those two hours occur after sundown for me, because that means people have been awake to see it. Also no one else mentioned being suspicious of Clanky so it was kind of hopeless to go there in the first place, especially since I didn't post a specific case against them but rather went off my PoE. 3 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: [2] Do you… misunderstand what I mean by moving Devo up? You, Clanky, TUN, and Luckspren are all I think people I would rather exe. That’s a Devo take for sure. Kinda want to give points for an unconventional read right there. That might be the easiest, but it’s also the easiest way for an elim to hide. Idk your meta, so that very well could just be normal for you I suppose. I think I lean village on this post, thanks. Does this mean you’re considering changing your vote? :). Also: @_Stick_, have you ran the numbers on your kill? Seven people now, 5-2. Elim kill and misexe and you misfiring gives 2-2. To me that seems like more of a risk than I would take but I guess if you’re confident :P. But I do know that an elim wouldn’t care about those numbers, sooooo :P. Looks like I misread it lol. But you said that the lack of vote manip is NAI, yes? So why is Devo green in your reads? Why are you willing to move her further up? I did run the numbers but looking at the action shop today it looks as though no one bought anything last cycle which means everyone will be going for the vote manip when it's 2-2 so it doesn't necessarily mean the village loses. This is assuming I don't hit an elim, which I think I might. It's also assuming the elims don't accidentally hit someone with protection today, which is a possibility albeit a small one since there's only one bodyguard up for grabs. I still haven't actually submitted the kill order cuz I wanna know the status of the exe first.
Mat he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Two hours is plenty of time to think if those two hours occur after sundown for me, because that means people have been awake to see it. Also no one else mentioned being suspicious of Clanky so it was kind of hopeless to go there in the first place, especially since I didn't post a specific case against them but rather went off my PoE. I was about ready to vote Clanky until he posted something villagery and Archer pointed that out :P. I think I agree with him, but that’s more that no one ended up engaging it so you come off as desperate to survive. That can go either way but I get what Archer is saying. 12 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Looks like I misread it lol. But you said that the lack of vote manip is NAI, yes? So why is Devo green in your reads? Why are you willing to move her further up? I mean I put Devo’s name in a shade of green but ok xD She’s green in my reads mostly because I feel like I need to have more village reads and out of my nulls i elim read her the least, if that makes sense. So I took my nulls and ordered them and Devo was the least elim for me. It’s less that I village read her and more that I don’t really see a reason to elim her either, though I like what Clanky was saying. ‘Further up’ isn’t a change in my reads, just a change on how the list is organized :P. 12 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: I did run the numbers but looking at the action shop today it looks as though no one bought anything last cycle which means everyone will be going for the vote manip when it's 2-2 so it doesn't necessarily mean the village loses. This is assuming I don't hit an elim, which I think I might. It's also assuming the elims don't accidentally hit someone with protection today, which is a possibility albeit a small one since there's only one bodyguard up for grabs. I still haven't actually submitted the kill order cuz I wanna know the status of the exe first. I know, it just seems like a lot of ifs for such a small game. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if you abandoned the assassination plan and just went for the vote manip (it also wouldn’t surprise me if this was your plan all along) but idk, killing someone in a 7 player C2 just seems hasty to me. Stop trying to win Loudest Voice xD You’ll probably beat me since in a bit here I’ll have to go and probably miss rollover, but oh well. I’m still up for the exe, right? Did anyone ever say why? Edited June 29, 2022 by Matrim's Dice Wait why’d I only get two LV points for this post
Clanky he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: They don't know who I'm coming for >:] I have two people under 'elim' but I've expressed suspicion about more than two >:] [2] Yes, I agree. [3] Based off your reads list, you think TUN, Devo, and myself could be elims. With about an hour and half left in the turn, what do you think about moving your vote to either Devo or me? Each of us has a vote on us already so with your vote added to it it'd make it tied for the leading exe. I would obviously suggest Devo - but if it's all the same to you... ;eyes; Only one of the people on your elim list could even afford to try and buy the bodyguard though. Don't worry I'll be changing my vote. I still haven't decided who to go for yet so you might still be disappointed. I am almost thinking that this whole "I'm definitely assassinating someone" thing is a ploy to try and get the elims to kill you when your actually going to spend all your boxings on the bodyguard instead. But honestly that sounds a bit convoluted 29 minutes ago, Archer said: Didn't you just vote for him. Like two hours ago. You barely gave people time to consider it, which makes me think you are feeling the pressure more acutely than expected. This seems suspicious, worthy of suspicion, not how a villager would act, uncharacteristic for a townie, and generally not the vibe. Hmmm. why you say this why It is a bit weird of stick, but if I remember correctly (which I probably don't) doing weird stuff was always kinda sticks gameplay style regardless of alignment. I do think it was odd to move the vote off of me so quick. Maybe nobody has me as their number one target but I think more people have thought I was leaning elim than village and maybe could've been conviced to vote for me. It does seem like sticks trying to get mat out of execution territory though
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I was about ready to vote Clanky until he posted something villagery and Archer pointed that out :P. I think I agree with him, but that’s more that no one ended up engaging it so you come off as desperate to survive. That can go either way but I get what Archer is saying. I mean I could always just move it back...I just want one of Devo or Clanky to die today. Maybe Luckspren but. Also I'm not desperate to survive because I'm not up for the exe You could technically say that I'm desperate to help a teammate survive but that would imply you are the teammate in question. But what did Clanky say that was villagery? 8 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I mean I put Devo’s name in a shade of green but ok xD She’s green in my reads mostly because I feel like I need to have more village reads and out of my nulls i elim read her the least, if that makes sense. So I took my nulls and ordered them and Devo was the least elim for me. It’s less that I village read her and more that I don’t really see a reason to elim her either, though I like what Clanky was saying. ‘Further up’ isn’t a change in my reads, just a change on how the list is organized :P. By this logic, shouldn't she be in your elim reads? Who was it that TJ often quoted...something like if you don't have a read on someone past a certain point in time then they should automatically be moved to elim reads. If that doesn't apply to cycle 2, think about it this way: what are Devo's tells? I personally don't know if she has any. Devo is super hard to read so unless I have a solid reason to village read her, she's going in the elim pile. 13 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Stop trying to win Loudest Voice xD You’ll probably beat me since in a bit here I’ll have to go and probably miss rollover, but oh well. I don't think we're gonna change each other's minds regarding our reads but to be honest I'm gonna keep replying to your posts for the boxings xD I'm aware that I've been spewing fluff. xD 10 minutes ago, Clanky said: [1]Only one of the people on your elim list could even afford to try and buy the bodyguard though. Don't worry I'll be changing my vote. I still haven't decided who to go for yet so you might still be disappointed. I am almost thinking that this whole "I'm definitely assassinating someone" thing is a ploy to try and get the elims to kill you when your actually going to spend all your boxings on the bodyguard instead. But honestly that sounds a bit convoluted [2]It is a bit weird of stick, but if I remember correctly (which I probably don't) doing weird stuff was always kinda sticks gameplay style regardless of alignment. I do think it was odd to move the vote off of me so quick. Maybe nobody has me as their number one target but I think more people have thought I was leaning elim than village and maybe could've been conviced to vote for me. It does seem like sticks trying to get mat out of execution territory though [1] shhh stop giving them hints but that doesn't sound like a wholly terrible plan. Honestly would have considered it if there was more than just a single bodyguard available in the shop. With just one that's a stupidly risky plan that's only gonna sow more confusion for the village. [2] It's less that I'm trying to get Mat out of the exe and more that I'm trying to get one of my elim reads to get exe'd.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, _Stick_ said: You have a point. [1] There was definitely an accusatory tone underlying that post of hers xD I just reread the post and yes you're right she didn't particularly suspect him of anything but it definitely reads as such. [2] If you want Devo dead today I could change my vote since there's less than 2 hours left in the turn and my Clanky vote doesn't seem to be leading to anything and your vote on me isn't doing much at the moment either. So you think I'm likely village unless my being close to death was a ploy with me and e!Mat to make sure I'm dead? I think I'm interpreting you incorrectly since you've also said that you don't think Mat and I are e/e and you're trying to get Mat to vote alongside you to kill me. 31 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: That’s a Devo take for sure. Kinda want to give points for an unconventional read right there. That might be the easiest, but it’s also the easiest way for an elim to hide. Idk your meta, so that very well could just be normal for you I suppose. I think I lean village on this post, thanks. Does this mean you’re considering changing your vote? :). Also: @_Stick_, have you ran the numbers on your kill? Seven people now, 5-2. Elim kill and misexe and you misfiring gives 2-2. To me that seems like more of a risk than I would take but I guess if you’re confident :P. But I do know that an elim wouldn’t care about those numbers, sooooo :P. Makes sense honestly. If I was up against elim Tani it's much more likely there would have been a bribe to kill me, and elim Devotary would have known Tani was village instead of just being pretty sure because nobody was bothering to save her. 2-2 does lose. Going for an assassin is still reasonable since Archer, Stick, and I can all theoretically afford an assassin and if the elims get one it could easily be game over. The elims already have a bonus to assassination since they can make sure one villager doesn't get one (or anything ever again). 23 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: I do lean elim on Mat for real, non-monetary reasons but that's not viable. His last post reads as if he knows Tani is village, and his opinions of Stick make it seem like he knows her alignment too. Let's see if quoting posts from myself last cycle works. This is the reason I was leaning elim on Mat last cycle and Tani flipping village just like he predicted made it seem even more likely that he was an elim and making reads based on knowing everyone's alignment. I would have voted Mat last cycle if it was viable so I put in an early vote this cycle.
Clanky he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 vote=Stick I do think sticks been acting weird and I can't figure out what the plan is. It does seem like sticks trying to save mat, but mat has a vote on stick? Maybe something will change if they are tied in votes
Mat he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: By this logic, shouldn't she be in your elim reads? Who was it that TJ often quoted...something like if you don't have a read on someone past a certain point in time then they should automatically be moved to elim reads. I didn’t do that because then everyone but Archer would be in my elim reads :P. I give up trying to win LV, good job :P. I’ll get it next turn if I’m still alive :P. Which I should be, still haven’t seen a case on me.
Stick. she/her Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: So you think I'm likely village unless my being close to death was a ploy with me and e!Mat to make sure I'm dead? I think I'm interpreting you incorrectly since you've also said that you don't think Mat and I are e/e and you're trying to get Mat to vote alongside you to kill me. No no I initially read the lack of vote manip to mean you should be village, but I wasn't fully convinced since no one was likely to use vote manip in cycle 1 anyway. Now my stance is that you are probably evil. But I'm more convinced of Clanky being evil. I think. 3 minutes ago, Clanky said: vote=Stick I do think sticks been acting weird and I can't figure out what the plan is. It does seem like sticks trying to save mat, but mat has a vote on stick? Maybe something will change if they are tied in votes elim read intensifies 4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I didn’t do that because then everyone but Archer would be in my elim reads :P. I give up trying to win LV, good job :P. I’ll get it next turn if I’m still alive :P. Which I should be, still haven’t seen a case on me. 7 minutes to go, so I suppose it's tied between the two of us.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 It is tied. I think both could be evil but I don't want 50-50 so I'll switch to vote=Stick.
Archer he/him Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) changed my mind because bodyguards vote=Stick (Mat) Edited June 29, 2022 by Archer
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