Quick-Fix 61 - What Money Can Buy

[xinoehp512 he/him]

34 minutes ago, Archer said:

@xinoehp512 what happens if there's a tie for this?

All tied players will receive the reward boxings, excepting those who may have won it the cycle previous.

34 minutes ago, Archer said:

The way I understand it now, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is that a quote response gets you a boxing per person, then if they are 200 words responses, that total puts you in contention for the Loudest Voice prize.

A response is a quoted player post followed by 50 words. Loudest Voice counts each unique post responded to, while Active on the Floor each unique player responded to. Both will sum together word counts of responses that are not distinguished.

(Also to clarify: neither myself nor Araris are players, and repsonses to our posts will not count for either scoreboard.)

Edited June 27, 2022 by xinoehp512

[Quivil]

32 minutes ago, Archer said:

the robot doesn't like me. :/   But yes, 200 is a lot. I have started doing the student thing where you break up contractions so you get two words for the price of one.

35 minutes ago, Archer said:

Yeah, that other game is still in my head. The way I understand it now, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is that a quote response gets you a boxing per person, then if they are 200 words responses, that total puts you in contention for the Loudest Voice prize. @xinoehp512 what happens if there's a tie for this? I assume a random single person gets it, but I won't say no to multiple people getting rich. :P.      Lets look at how quickly you can earn yourself an Assassain fee. There's eight other players, minus two each round. So 6 in C2, 4 in C3. You spend 3 boxings a cycle paying off the bribe. So your earnings are (8-3)=5, (6-3)=3, (4-3)=1, then we're into negative territory, which is an interesting wrinkle. At the end of C3 you've earned nine boxings, although you could forgo the bribe in an act of self sacrifice and strike at the end of C2 with your 11 boxings stockpile. Or you may have gained boxings from any other source, which would allow you to less recklessly strike C2, but the 6 boxing toll the next round will effectively kill you. Actually killing an extra person messes those calculations up. And the possibility of bidding wars.  

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

So you started with zero boxings. Interesting.

@xinoehp512 what punishment would you strike me down with if I pulled a pre game Devo and wrote "Words" over and over again to try to get to fifty words?

I think I want to try to play an insane character. That might be interesting.

vote=Clanky *poke poke*

---

Time was a funny thing. It sometimes went day day dayd ayda ydayd ayday daydayday until you did not know anymore what day it was. Especially when all the days had the same thing. This day was like that - just another time of Awake in a long string of daydayday. Just another step in a long string of stepstepstep. There was the room for fighting so much fighting. Step.

Blood.

That did not belong here.

[Mat he/him]

53 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Oh no no no, you are not allowed to come in here right away and already tie me. That is simply not allowed.

Well, it's better than me not voting, which is the norm for me. It's at least one boxing for me rather than no boxings at all. I would appreciate it if you voted me for it though, since I get money for it.

If you want I can pretend it was a tactical decision to arrive in the thread three hours late, therefore giving me more to quote   I’m not confident it’s better than not voting, but I’ve never liked self voting at all as a general rule and this is a different case. It makes it slightly harder to follow where you’re at, and nullifies your vote for the time being.

58 minutes ago, Archer said:

I am of a split mind when it comes to revealing your potential purchases. On the one hand, we should all claim to be buying the Bodyguard item for an outrageous price every single round so the elims have a harder time picking NK targets or overpay to keep it out of our hands.

I mean, isn’t that the same as no one saying anything?  Either the elims have to just blindly shoot, or they have to suffer an IKYK which is basically just blindly shooting. One of those is more fun, though… 

12 minutes ago, Tani said:

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

So you started with zero boxings. Interesting.

Oh, that’s definitely a student thing. I mean, I do it  Need a 300 word response? Couldn’t becomes could not, in other words becomes another way to say that, etc. Works like a charm.

Could you start with boxings?

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

4 hours ago, Clanky said:

Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one.

The fact that failed bids still cost boxings and bodyguards don't do anything if the buyer isn't attacked will make it difficult to ensure accountability. An elim who bribes or assassinates someone can claim to have bought a bodyguard and there won't be conclusive evidence either way as to whether they're telling the truth. I do agree with assassins who manage to kill elims claiming since it's easy enough to amass 8+ boxings in one cycle to afford a bodyguard if we let them win loudest voice.

4 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Well, the point would not be to choose a specific player to kill, it would be to pick a trusted player and agree among the villagers to not fight for the kill against that person.

Hmm, I can see that. If that player is a villager rich enough to outbid the elims that could work, even though they'll either end up dead (since they can't self-protect while buying an assassin) or the elims will pointedly choose not to kill them. That shouldn't be much of a long-term issue since the game will be short and I can't see anybody being trusted unless one of the presumptive two elims are dead. If the NK blocks assassination, definitely not a good idea.

 

[Clanky he/him]

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

That’s why I’m playing my votes this game completely normal  I don’t see a point in everyone self voting, we wouldn’t get discussion and it’s too easy to swing. That’s an exaggeration, but I think the point stands— and I don’t think it’s worth keeping boxings away from someone else. We could still have discussion about who we actually suspect, but then what’s the point of the self votes? Everyone would just switch around close to rollover anyway.

I like this better, but still I don’t think it’s a good idea. Anyone who claims to have bought a Bodyguard is likely a safe kill the next turn, and I don’t want to go there. Secret mechanics, in my experience, should stay secret  Generally. The one exception I can think of is that an assassin buyer might want to claim after successfully killing someone, but that also would likely be a free kill for the elims.

With nine people we probably have two elims. Three seems like far too many and I really doubt xino would make an elim suffer the single life right away  

I think I get lots of points for that. Guess we’ll see if the code likes it.

vote=Tani

Yeah the bodyguard is an issue with that, but if you're worried about an easy elim kill then anyone who announces that they bought the assassin will basically be bankrupt for life. I think we should be safe to announce bribes after the fact, they aren't too expensive that someone who buys it will be , are easy to check the results of based on the voting results and people should have interesting reasons for their choices. Also I never said it was a good idea, I said  maybe someone else can come up with a better one 

1 hour ago, Tani said:

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

So you started with zero boxings. Interesting.

@xinoehp512 what punishment would you strike me down with if I pulled a pre game Devo and wrote "Words" over and over again to try to get to fifty words?

I think I want to try to play an insane character. That might be interesting.

vote=Clanky *poke poke*

 

I haven't had anyone vote to have me killed in such a long time! What a wonderful feeling!  Is there anything specific that you wanted to get a response about with that poke?

vote=stick

I believe stick was around when I was last playing these games. Am I right or was that a different stick?

 

[Quivil]

14 minutes ago, Clanky said:

I haven't had anyone vote to have me killed in such a long time! What a wonderful feeling!  Is there anything specific that you wanted to get a response about with that poke?

Naw, not really. I just wanted to vote you because nobody else had voted you yet and partially because I have never played with you before. It was kind of an obligatory poke vote.

On that same note, why did you vote Stick? Was there a specific response you were seeking?

[Archer he/him]

2 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

It's at least one boxing for me rather than no boxings at all. I would appreciate it if you voted me for it though, since I get money for it.

Counter point: you won't survive to spend that money if you should earn it. I view it as more of a mutually assured destruction bid than something you want to happen

1 hour ago, Tani said:

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

the robot doesn't like me because I made a lovely post but because it didn't quote anyone it didn't count for anything :(. 

luckily Xino likes me because apparently they made the game easier. Yay. As this point I'm committed to all the things but I most definitely will be giving up on them next round. 

That better be 50 or I'll report the count bot to the mods and have it ban hammered 

/s

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 

Could you start with boxings?

Not that I know of, but if Tani says otherwise I'd be happy to vote them for it. 

39 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Hmm, I can see that. If that player is a villager rich enough to outbid the elims that could work, even though they'll either end up dead (since they can't self-protect while buying an assassin) or the elims will pointedly choose not to kill them. That shouldn't be much of a long-term issue since the game will be short and I can't see anybody being trusted unless one of the presumptive two elims are dead. If the NK blocks assassination, definitely not a good idea.

This is either very villagery formatting or very looking for village cred. Not sure which. 

15 minutes ago, Clanky said:

vote=stick

I believe stick was around when I was last playing these games. Am I right or was that a different stick?

Are you asking... did they... stick around

:D. 

Just now, Tani said:

Naw, not really. I just wanted to vote you because nobody else had voted you yet and partially because I have never played with you before. It was kind of an obligatory poke vote.

I have an opposite philosophy about people I've only just met, but each to their own. 

If I had to properly vote right now, I'd be on Tani for reacting to a poke vote on them by appearing, advertising a poke as a poke, and applying pressure on a welcome poke. Second choice would be TUN for copying my idea but for weird justification. Then JNV because they're going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice. Who are you guys suspicious of? 

[Luckspren she/her]

7 hours ago, Archer said:

I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! 

Isn't that a little bit suicidal? It may be a way to possibly gain more boxings, but this is a small pool of players, and an extra vote on you every round seems like tempting fate a bit much. 

This is my first time playing, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but... seems risky. 

12 minutes ago, Archer said:

If I had to properly vote right now, I'd be on Tani for reacting to a poke vote on them by appearing, advertising a poke as a poke, and applying pressure on a welcome poke. Second choice would be TUN for copying my idea but for weird justification. Then JNV because they're going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice. Who are you guys suspicious of? 

'JNV is going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice'. ?? Help, I'm new.. what is a bribe filter, and what is a CC?

Appreciate the insight cuz honestly no idea what is even sus. 

Also, what's this 'welcome poke' thing? Is it a way to get someone's attention?

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

If you want I can pretend it was a tactical decision to arrive in the thread three hours late, therefore giving me more to quote

Try five hours late... works even better. The idea is to do a bunch of quotes followed by 50 words, am I right? And what counts as 'game related content'? This post is mostly just me trying to be less confused- does that count as game related? Sorry about all the questions. 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 hours ago, Archer said:

>.>  I guess that makes sense coming from you, but the result is the vote count right now is me and you tied for the lead from self-voting. I really thought people would throw down some stab votes that conveniently wouldn't ever move. It's free money, gang, stake your ground. 

“WHY are they saying I’m voting for myself, McCharles?”

“You put your name in red, McCarty. That’s a self vote in these impeachment proceedings.”

“I did NO such thing! I very clearly put it in GREEN. I detest using red, it’s such an unsightly shade.”

McCarty’s secretary sighed. His employer’s color-blindness made his political tact unwieldy at times, but as his uncle, it was his responsibility to take care of him. “Did you hear of the death this morning, sir?”

“I didn’t need to!” McCarty started waving a sword for dramatic effect. “Everyone saw the green sun rise – BLOOD has been spilt this night!”

“You mean red sun.”

“I’m your nephew, not your son. Quit making mistakes, I already feel my face beginning to flush bright…”

“Red.”

“RED. I’m turning red! With ANGER at this murder. What’s next!”

 

The NK also comes before the Assassain, so there's a high incentive to simply snipe anyone who gets enough boxings to threaten that, especially if they're the only person who gets enough for it. My gut would say that people are more likely to go for the kill than to Bodyguard themselves if they have the money for either. So the elims could probably bet on that, but its an IKYK. 

the robot doesn't like me. :/   But yes, 200 is a lot. I have started doing the student thing where you break up contractions so you get two words for the price of one. As for bidding wars, I think that buying bribes is a waste of time. We can create more money than would be generated otherwise if we all shift to the winning train near the end of the cycle, so vote manip should have limited potential. I will note though that it's the type that provides a two vote shift on a pair of opposing trains. Minus one from the one, plus one to the other. I imagine they'll only be relevant if we run into money troubles and the elims gather a nest egg. Fun fact, by the way, the Assassain ability is worded so that an elim using it has their bribe increased automatically, because hitting a villager triggers the increase. So they'll probably leave it alone, which gives them more cash to spend elsewhere. Not knowing the refill rate of the actions shop, I'm tempted to suggest buying things like bribes just to take them off the board, but I don't think we can afford that. 

Yeah, that other game is still in my head. The way I understand it now, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is that a quote response gets you a boxing per person, then if they are 200 words responses, that total puts you in contention for the Loudest Voice prize. @xinoehp512 what happens if there's a tie for this? I assume a random single person gets it, but I won't say no to multiple people getting rich. :P.      Lets look at how quickly you can earn yourself an Assassain fee. There's eight other players, minus two each round. So 6 in C2, 4 in C3. You spend 3 boxings a cycle paying off the bribe. So your earnings are (8-3)=5, (6-3)=3, (4-3)=1, then we're into negative territory, which is an interesting wrinkle. At the end of C3 you've earned nine boxings, although you could forgo the bribe in an act of self sacrifice and strike at the end of C2 with your 11 boxings stockpile. Or you may have gained boxings from any other source, which would allow you to less recklessly strike C2, but the 6 boxing toll the next round will effectively kill you. Actually killing an extra person messes those calculations up. And the possibility of bidding wars.  

Well now I feel bad for making Xino's vote tally code obsolete by keeping my vote stable. I also like the approach of just writing things and seeing if the robot likes it, because if I don't get at least 4 points from this post I will just be giving up and playing as normal.       I am of a split mind when it comes to revealing your potential purchases. On the one hand, we should all claim to be buying the Bodyguard item for an outrageous price every single round so the elims have a harder time picking NK targets or overpay to keep it out of our hands. I also think that everyone should maintain a stockpile of as many boxings as possible so they're able to buy items like the Bodyguard. Otherwise the NKs will exclusively target rich people and the elims will have an easy time picking off the survivors who can't afford to outbid them on anything. The nightmare scenario is two elims buy vote manips and have a 4 vote bloc to work with. I doubt they'll risk hammering and getting outbid, thus foiling their plot and revealing who they are, but it'd be a good idea to have enough money spread among the village that boxings aren't ever a problem. 

sorry about the long post, I had to get some 200 word responses in

 

2 hours ago, Tani said:

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

So you started with zero boxings. Interesting.

@xinoehp512 what punishment would you strike me down with if I pulled a pre game Devo and wrote "Words" over and over again to try to get to fifty words?

I think I want to try to play an insane character. That might be interesting.

vote=Clanky *poke poke*

---

Time was a funny thing. It sometimes went day day dayd ayda ydayd ayday daydayday until you did not know anymore what day it was. Especially when all the days had the same thing. This day was like that - just another time of Awake in a long string of daydayday. Just another step in a long string of stepstepstep. There was the room for fighting so much fighting. Step.

Blood.

That did not belong here.

The student technique is still helpful for reaching fifty, it is just not quite as helpful as it possible could be. (See, I did it several times right there. Oops, I did it again). I think that if I just put fifty words below all of the quotes, it will cover all of them but I'm not certain. It might working just having fifty anywhere. @xinoehp512?

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Oh, that’s definitely a student thing. I mean, I do it  Need a 300 word response? Couldn’t becomes could not, in other words becomes another way to say that, etc. Works like a charm.

Could you start with boxings?

Well, I don't think it only applies to students, it's just a common sense thing. I've never had to deal with wordcount problems having been homeschooled, but I did it in Striker's game that had a very similar mechanic (though it was two hundred words instead of fifty words) to this one.

1 hour ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

The fact that failed bids still cost boxings and bodyguards don't do anything if the buyer isn't attacked will make it difficult to ensure accountability. An elim who bribes or assassinates someone can claim to have bought a bodyguard and there won't be conclusive evidence either way as to whether they're telling the truth. I do agree with assassins who manage to kill elims claiming since it's easy enough to amass 8+ boxings in one cycle to afford a bodyguard if we let them win loudest voice.

Hmm, I can see that. If that player is a villager rich enough to outbid the elims that could work, even though they'll either end up dead (since they can't self-protect while buying an assassin) or the elims will pointedly choose not to kill them. That shouldn't be much of a long-term issue since the game will be short and I can't see anybody being trusted unless one of the presumptive two elims are dead. If the NK blocks assassination, definitely not a good idea.

 

Test

49 minutes ago, Clanky said:

Yeah the bodyguard is an issue with that, but if you're worried about an easy elim kill then anyone who announces that they bought the assassin will basically be bankrupt for life. I think we should be safe to announce bribes after the fact, they aren't too expensive that someone who buys it will be , are easy to check the results of based on the voting results and people should have interesting reasons for their choices. Also I never said it was a good idea, I said  maybe someone else can come up with a better one 

I haven't had anyone vote to have me killed in such a long time! What a wonderful feeling!  Is there anything specific that you wanted to get a response about with that poke?

vote=stick

I believe stick was around when I was last playing these games. Am I right or was that a different stick?

 

Also a test.

31 minutes ago, Tani said:

Naw, not really. I just wanted to vote you because nobody else had voted you yet and partially because I have never played with you before. It was kind of an obligatory poke vote.

On that same note, why did you vote Stick? Was there a specific response you were seeking?

Poke votes in this game always, always, have an alternate motive behind the perceived one, since it automatically gives you one boxing, at the very least. Although I suppose some people might not notice that. (Looking at you, Tani >.>)

[Clanky he/him]

What a time to be dragged out of retirement! Five years of doing absolutely nothing, wonderful nothing, ruined. Forced back to this deadly world of politics. And now senators are being murdered too! That's.... actually not that surprising. I had definitely thought of doing that to several of my compatriots over my career. Maybe something good will come out of this situation after all.

"Senator Stick! What are your thoughts on these murders? I've never known you to hold your tongue, unless perhaps you have mellowed with age."

1 minute ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Poke votes in this game always, always, have an alternate motive behind the perceived one, since it automatically gives you one boxing, at the very least. Although I suppose some people might not notice that. (Looking at you, Tani >.>)

"That's outrageous Hammonda! Are you questioning my integrity? I would never use my position for financial gain and any rumor's that may be spreading around this senate about my completely unforced retirement being due to misconduct are complete fabrications and I will not stand them! The fortune I obtained as a senator was from my extremely successful business selling handknit socks and nothing else!"

43 minutes ago, Tani said:

Naw, not really. I just wanted to vote you because nobody else had voted you yet and partially because I have never played with you before. It was kind of an obligatory poke vote.

On that same note, why did you vote Stick? Was there a specific response you were seeking?

It's what I said in the post, I actually just want to see if stick is someone I actually used to play with or if I'm misremembering things. It's not a great reason but I find death threats to be a good way to get a response out of someone either way. Also I could fit in a little RP about it.

 

20 minutes ago, Luckspren said:

Isn't that a little bit suicidal? It may be a way to possibly gain more boxings, but this is a small pool of players, and an extra vote on you every round seems like tempting fate a bit much. 

This is my first time playing, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but... seems risky. 

'JNV is going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice'. ?? Help, I'm new.. what is a bribe filter, and what is a CC?

Appreciate the insight cuz honestly no idea what is even sus. 

Also, what's this 'welcome poke' thing? Is it a way to get someone's attention?

Try five hours late... works even better. The idea is to do a bunch of quotes followed by 50 words, am I right? And what counts as 'game related content'? This post is mostly just me trying to be less confused- does that count as game related? Sorry about all the questions. 

Welcome to your first game! Don't worry about asking a lot of questions. It is tough to figure out what's going on for a while.

I assume they meant blackmail filter not bribe filter. You need to earn three boxing from posting per turn or you'll be kicked out of the game.

"Sus" is just short for suspicious. Basically susing someone is getting vibes that they are an infiltrator/on the eliminator faction.

Poke votes are basically just to get people who aren't talking to talk. Voting tends to get peoples attention

Game related is anything relating to the game; analysis, roleplaying, asking questions. Basically as long as it's not just you talking about real life your good. I would say confusion about whats going on is one of the most common ways everyone talks about the game

 

[Quivil]

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Could you start with boxings?

I do not think so, but I figured it was not a very bad idea to bring up that question. Should I have not brought it up? Was that a very bad idea?
Did any of us start with any boxings, or did all of us start with no boxings? 

44 minutes ago, Archer said:

[1] Not that I know of, but if Tani says otherwise I'd be happy to vote them for it. 

...

[2] I have an opposite philosophy about people I've only just met, but each to their own. 

If I had to properly vote right now, I'd be on Tani for reacting to a poke vote on them by appearing, advertising a poke as a poke, and applying pressure on a welcome poke. Second choice would be TUN for copying my idea but for weird justification. Then JNV because they're going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice. Who are you guys suspicious of? 

[1] Wow, thank you so very much. (Can you hear my sarcasm?)

[2] I do not understand this. What exactly do you mean by saying I was "applying pressure on a welcome poke"? I was asked a question about a random vote and responded to that question with the same question. Since when was that considered suspicious?

31 minutes ago, Luckspren said:

[1] Isn't that a little bit suicidal? It may be a way to possibly gain more boxings, but this is a small pool of players, and an extra vote on you every round seems like tempting fate a bit much. 

This is my first time playing, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but... seems risky. 

[1] Only a very little bit. It is only a big risk if lots of people start voting on you. Even then, though, it makes it so that you are slightly less likely to die unless lots of people think you are an evil person, because then none of the people trying to kill you will be able to get any extra money from your death.

31 minutes ago, Luckspren said:

[2] 'JNV is going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice'. ?? Help, I'm new.. what is a bribe filter, and what is a CC?

Appreciate the insight cuz honestly no idea what is even sus. 

[2] The bribe filter is that thing in the rules about everyone having to pay three boxings per day to keep their secrets. If you do not have enough boxings to pay the bribe, you die. I think that CC might mean carbon copy? I do not know for sure what Archer means by CC.

31 minutes ago, Luckspren said:

[3] Also, what's this 'welcome poke' thing? Is it a way to get someone's attention?

A welcome poke vote is a vote where you vote on someone for almost no reason other than because you have not played with them very much before. A normal poke vote is a vote where you vote on someone for almost no reason other than that you want to get their attention.

31 minutes ago, Luckspren said:

Try five hours late... works even better. [4] The idea is to do a bunch of quotes followed by 50 words, am I right? [5] And what counts as 'game related content'? This post is mostly just me trying to be less confused- does that count as game related? Sorry about all the questions. 

[4] Yep, pretty much. It is best to quote as many different people as you can. It is not at all useful to quote the same person many times as far as I know, but I am doing it anyway to try to figure out what about fifty words looks like. [5] Someone else already answered that. I think it was Clanky, but I am not sure.

40 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Poke votes in this game always, always, have an alternate motive behind the perceived one, since it automatically gives you one boxing, at the very least. Although I suppose some people might not notice that. (Looking at you, Tani >.>)

I said "not really," I didn't say "no, absolutely not." Also, everybody knows about the boxing train thing, so I do not see a reason to list it as an extra reason to randomly vote someone. So yes, poke votes always have an extra reason. No, I do not see a reason to state it every single time.

33 minutes ago, Clanky said:

It's what I said in the post, I actually just want to see if stick is someone I actually used to play with or if I'm misremembering things. It's not a great reason but I find death threats to be a good way to get a response out of someone either way. Also I could fit in a little RP about it.

Okay. Thank you.

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Why was the blood here? The air reeked of red and death and screams. The fighting room was not for killing, it was only for shouting and yelling and the hurt of words. The fighting room was for paper and voting and promises made and forgotten. The fighting room was not for the hurt of metal and flame.

[Stick. she/her]

12 hours ago, Archer said:

I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! If it looks like I'm going to die, my vote will not shift, thus depriving anyone else of Leader of Discussion boxings. Otherwise, expect a late change of my vote. Ideally too late for anyone to profit from it.
(Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? I can understand wanting to engage in the former approach, I'll just ask that you say things like "My red vote is elsewhere right now, but I'm probably going to land on Player X" instead of giving no updates on your developing suspicions.
Friendly reminder that you need to get at least three boxings today to survive, which can most easily be achieved by quoting three other people. As I mentioned to Xino during the committee stage, I imagine a number of people will try to use the Assassin ability on their way out the door if they're exed, assuming they can gather enough boxings for it. They have the advantage of not needing to save money for the next round. Banking on elim competence, Team Evil will probably know which targets can and can't do this and match their aggression accordingly, or outbid them when possible. I'd urge restraint, but it's a QF so a quicker pace isn't a terrible thing. That's got to be 200 words by now right
Vote=Archer

I think the self-vote strategy is completely NAI since it seems like Archer came up with it before the game began so not gonna try and read into that. I think I'm missing some part of the rules - where exactly do the rules say anything about a post needing to be 200 words long? All I've been able to find is the rule stating that responses should be 50 words long. 

5 hours ago, Clanky said:

vote=stick

I believe stick was around when I was last playing these games. Am I right or was that a different stick?

Hey! You are correct, we have played before! And I am the same Stick! Welcome back :D. Sorry, I forgot this game was meant to begin yesterday xD. I saw my name here so I decided to response to this one bit but I've actually got to be somewhere urgently at this moment so I haven't read much of the other posts but I should be doing that soon. And here I was thinking I should aim for Loudest Voice in all cycles...

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

3 hours ago, Tani said:

what punishment would you strike me down with if I pulled a pre game Devo and wrote "Words" over and over again to try to get to fifty words?

I do not think so, but I figured it was not a very bad idea to bring up that question. Should I have not brought it up? Was that a very bad idea?
Did any of us start with any boxings, or did all of us start with no boxings?

[2] The bribe filter is that thing in the rules about everyone having to pay three boxings per day to keep their secrets. If you do not have enough boxings to pay the bribe, you die. I think that CC might mean carbon copy? I do not know for sure what Archer means by CC.

TUN was the one who did that and his punishment was made clear in the writeup.

The rules don't say anything about anyone starting with boxings. Interestingly, they do mention open PMs even though nobody has messaged me yet.

CC is contribution crusade, where you vote for an inactive to get them out of the way/ensure the remaining players have higher activity rates. Voting for JNV as of now is essentially a no-exe since they'll die anyway, which doesn't seem productive.

24 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

I think the self-vote strategy is completely NAI since it seems like Archer came up with it before the game began so not gonna try and read into that. I think I'm missing some part of the rules - where exactly do the rules say anything about a post needing to be 200 words long? All I've been able to find is the rule stating that responses should be 50 words long. 

Originally, loudest voice required 200 word responses while active on the floor had no stated specification for response length. I suppose Xino wanted consistency between loudest voice and active on the floor since there's significant overlap.  Adding in an extra 150 words of padding isn't necessarily helpful for us either.

 

My tendency of voting late will be unhelpful monetarily in this game. Vote=Matrim has made two posts that I haven't wanted to quote even though I haven't checked him off the active on the floor list. A lack of respondable content is somewhat notable given the flimsy reasons for this posts two quotes. Him being the only unvoted for player other than me, Luckspren (new), and JNV (absent) is more relevant though.

[Stick. she/her]

16 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Vote=TUN

This seems like a good idea, at least for a first vote. It's especially good because I always get voted on.

What's your thoughts on bidding? I'm thinking we always need to come to a consensus on who's buying it so we can milk it for all it’s worth. For the others, voting one above minimum is probably best bang (or bribe) for your buck.

Reading this as village, I don't think an elim would immediately follow suit on a plan that might lead to their exe. Sure, they could always just retract their vote but this doesn't seem elimy - at least not at first glance. About the public bidding, while I agree that some organisation there wouldn't harm the village, it also clears the path for elims so...not sure. Leaning against it tentatively.

15 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

[1]Definitely don't want to announce who's getting the bodyguard since then the elims can just not target that person and have them waste 5+ boxings. Bribery might warrant more discussion, but either nobody will want one since the exe is out of reach or it will be contentious since the people on all sides of the split votes will want one and can't be convinced otherwise or else they'd have changed their vote without the bribe.

[2]Designating someone as an assassin to kill a selected target might work so long as that player can't just buy a bodyguard to protect themselves. It is strange that both assassination and the elim kill block vote manipulation. @xinoehp512 is a killed player's vote also cancelled?

[1] This, and also claiming other actions narrows the pool down so we're helping them pick targets either way. [2] The elim kill comes before the assassination in the order of actions so what's stopping the elims from just killing the assassin? Also what's stopping them from electing one of their own as the assassin? Speaking of which, a two-player elim team seems like a reasonable assumption for this game right?

15 hours ago, Clanky said:

Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one

I think some bookkeeping will definitely prove to be useful to some extent - the counter page will probably refresh every cycle so it's a good idea to take note of the state of the leader boards at the end of each cycle. The elims are likely doing this anyway. Regarding claiming actions, while the absence of action blocks and redirects would generally mean the elims are less inclined towards lying about actions, that's not the case here because it's possible for a player to exhaust their pockets on absolutely nothing (your boxings are used up regardless of whether you actually get the action) - so they could claim to have lost the bid on a particular action and we'd essentially have no way to prove it, especially if another player also claims the same. But thinking about it, denying actions can only really get them so far especially considering the size of the player base. TLDR I don't think I'm against action claiming where necessary.

14 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Nice to know for sure. 

Would a player who's being executed need to pay the bribe? For example:

If I end up losing the exe, and I choose to buy the Assassination, choosing to pay twelve to definitely outbid everyone else, but that is all my money, would you reduce my bid to nine? Even if I requested you not to?

Again, getting a villager vibe from these questions.

12 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

The self voting strategy technically works but I’m not sure how much I like the idea of potentially sabotaging your own vote for the sake of keeping boxings away from someone else. I’m refusing to sus TUN for following it but I… kind of want to :P.

Do you think this strategy helps the elims in any meaningful way? It increases chances of close trains near EoD cuz the votes are all weirdly scattered, which is bad for them bc then the exe is unpredictable and ties lead to random exes. Uh. That's kind of all I have to say to this quote but I don't wanna leave it at less than 50 words lmao. I just realised this game has open PMs smh it's disappointing that no one has PM'd me. You know what's really interesting is that the votes are tied at 1-1-1-1 or something at the moment and if I'm interpreting the rules correctly, me voting on myself now will mean I am now the Leader of Discussion right? Since I'd be the first exe candidate with a train? It's occurring to me that I'm not really a hundred percent sure how this mechanic works exactly. But. Wait no, that would hand it over to Clanky. No. 

12 hours ago, Archer said:

Fun fact, by the way, the Assassain ability is worded so that an elim using it has their bribe increased automatically, because hitting a villager triggers the increase. So they'll probably leave it alone, which gives them more cash to spend elsewhere. Not knowing the refill rate of the actions shop, I'm tempted to suggest buying things like bribes just to take them off the board, but I don't think we can afford that.

That's a very important observation ty cuz I simply glossed over all the details assuming it was flavour stuff. Kind of side eyeing you at the moment Archer cuz you seem well versed with the rules, too well versed ;eyes;. I don't think the elims are gonna stay clear of the Assassination action altogether - I think it's a valuable tool for endgame shenanigans. I'm guessing one elim will save up their boxings for this while the other spends theirs on the protection or something.

11 hours ago, Tani said:

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

So you started with zero boxings. Interesting.

@xinoehp512 what punishment would you strike me down with if I pulled a pre game Devo and wrote "Words" over and over again to try to get to fifty words?

I think I want to try to play an insane character. That might be interesting.

vote=Clanky *poke poke*

hmmm. This post. I think there's something here. I could see Archer/Tani as potentially E/E - this post reads like artificially constructed suspicion towards Archer, an attempt at distancing. Voting on him right here would've been too incriminating, but I can see it as a set up for a potential vote on him (which would make Archer Leader of Discussion). 

9 hours ago, Tani said:

On that same note, why did you vote Stick? Was there a specific response you were seeking?

It's also weird that you ask this 17 minutes after they voted on me, which seems a tad rushed to me considering that I hadn't even responded to their vote yet :P. Like, if there was a specific response they were hoping to get out of me, they wouldn't exactly wanna reveal it before my response  Want to throw a vote on Tani, don't want to give Mat the Discussion Leader title. >:( 

9 hours ago, Archer said:

Not that I know of, but if Tani says otherwise I'd be happy to vote them for it.

Why?

9 hours ago, Archer said:

Then JNV because they're going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice.

Luckspren and I hadn't posted then either, so what makes me and JNV different? (Luckspren gets newbie privilege I get it).

9 hours ago, Archer said:

If I had to properly vote right now, I'd be on Tani for reacting to a poke vote on them by appearing, advertising a poke as a poke, and applying pressure on a welcome poke.

You are not allowed to say this - you and Tani are E/E >:[

9 hours ago, Luckspren said:

Isn't that a little bit suicidal? It may be a way to possibly gain more boxings, but this is a small pool of players, and an extra vote on you every round seems like tempting fate a bit much. 

This is my first time playing, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but... seems risky. 

'JNV is going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice'. ?? Help, I'm new.. what is a bribe filter, and what is a CC?

Appreciate the insight cuz honestly no idea what is even sus. 

Also, what's this 'welcome poke' thing? Is it a way to get someone's attention?

Try five hours late... works even better. The idea is to do a bunch of quotes followed by 50 words, am I right? And what counts as 'game related content'? This post is mostly just me trying to be less confused- does that count as game related? Sorry about all the questions. 

Welcome!  Everyone has to earn (and passively spend) 3 boxings per cycle in order to survive and not get killed by the filter - since JNV hasn't yet posted, their life is at risk. CC is short for Contribution Crusade - basically getting rid of the inactives. A welcome poke I think is less about grabbing someone's attention and more about getting discussion going, which I don't necessarily think works, but it's better than a silent thread. Everything you've said in your post counts as game related content, and so does any role play iirc. Also, who instructed you to ask these questions from your google doc?  

7 hours ago, Tani said:

I do not think so, but I figured it was not a very bad idea to bring up that question. Should I have not brought it up? Was that a very bad idea?
Did any of us start with any boxings, or did all of us start with no boxings? 

Hmm fair, but you could've asked TUN in your GM PM  Still sus.

3 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Originally, loudest voice required 200 word responses while active on the floor had no stated specification for response length. I suppose Xino wanted consistency between loudest voice and active on the floor since there's significant overlap.  Adding in an extra 150 words of padding isn't necessarily helpful for us either.

Ah thank you, makes sense.

 

edit: daaaaamnn with 2 posts I'm now the loudest voice AND most active on the floor haha take that

Edited June 28, 2022 by _Stick_

[Archer he/him]

10 hours ago, Luckspren said:

Isn't that a little bit suicidal? It may be a way to possibly gain more boxings, but this is a small pool of players, and an extra vote on you every round seems like tempting fate a bit much. 

This is my first time playing, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but... seems risky. 

Other people have done a good job explaining what a CC (Contribution Crusade) and welcome pokes are, so I'll focus on the first part here. Hi, by the way! Welcome to the game. Self voting would normally suicidal, but my logic is hopefully the self vote will be removed eventually and shifted elsewhere. If it sticks, that means I'm dying but refusing to let anyone profit from it directly. Which is just damage mitigation. 

9 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Poke votes in this game always, always, have an alternate motive behind the perceived one, since it automatically gives you one boxing, at the very least. Although I suppose some people might not notice that. (Looking at you, Tani >.>)

You keep saying that voting gives you a boxing, I think implying that you believe that the head of every train gets a boxing. I am pretty sure it’s just the leader of the train that gets someone killed. Voting only enriches one person per round, as far as I know. I might be wrong though

9 hours ago, Clanky said:

Welcome to your first game! Don't worry about asking a lot of questions. It is tough to figure out what's going on for a while.

I assume they meant blackmail filter not bribe filter. You need to earn three boxing from posting per turn or you'll be kicked out of the game

I'll +1 that sentiment, with the caveat that some people here will answer in bad faith as they are on the opposite team. So your GM PM is your best resource for definitively true answers. 

This is correct. There's two Pay Money to Live Longer mechanics and I named the wrong one. Actually a lot of actions can be described like that, but those two confuse me the most. 

8 hours ago, Tani said:

Did any of us start with any boxings, or did all of us start with no boxings? 

[2] I do not understand this. What exactly do you mean by saying I was "applying pressure on a welcome poke"? I was asked a question about a random vote and responded to that question with the same question. Since when was that considered suspicious?

 

I started with no boxings, which I assumed was universal.

My assumption is that for meta reasons, you aren’t super committed to killing Clanky. I also assume that the elims are likely to avoid pushing successful wagons if they don’t have to because the spiteful victims of those will be gung-ho about sending Assassins after people. So appearing to pressure someone you don’t think will die today is a good way of parking a vote without risking much retaliation. And advertising it as a poke lessens the chances that someone will add to it and put you in a tight spot.

5 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

I think the self-vote strategy is completely NAI since it seems like Archer came up with it before the game began so not gonna try and read into that. I think I'm missing some part of the rules - where exactly do the rules say anything about a post needing to be 200 words long? All I've been able to find is the rule stating that responses should be 50 words long. 

It’s very clearly right there in the rules. The old rules. For a different game. All you have to do is look at an outdated doc and you’ll find it’s a very important element :3. (It’s fifty. Just write fifty words, two hundred is a waste of your time.)

4 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

The rules don't say anything about anyone starting with boxings. Interestingly, they do mention open PMs even though nobody has messaged me yet.

 

Pfft who has time for PMs. I think they’d be useful places to coordinate bidding so that we use our money as efficiently as possible, but you don’t get boxings for talking in secret so…

Interestingly they appear to be group PMs. Brave move on the GM’s part. Good reminder, Devo    

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

Reading this as village, I don't think an elim would immediately follow suit on a plan that might lead to their exe.

I think some bookkeeping will definitely prove to be useful to some extent - the counter page will probably refresh every cycle so it's a good idea to take note of the state of the leader boards at the end of each cycle. 

 Kind of side eyeing you at the moment Archer cuz you seem well versed with the rules, too well versed ;eyes;. 

Why? [vote Tani]

Luckspren and I hadn't posted then either, so what makes me and JNV different? (Luckspren gets newbie privilege I get it).

Clearly the fabulous plan actually makes it less likely that you'll be exed, but based on the assumption that elims don't act out much, this tracks.

I was just going to screenshot the bot near rollover. That should have all the information we need. 

I've read the rules cover to cover several times tying to understand how boxing-generation works and I still don't get it. I reject this baseless flattery. 

If anyone was going to start with boxings, it'd be an undersized elim team. 

Basically that

[xinoehp512 he/him]

12 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

 

The student technique is still helpful for reaching fifty, it is just not quite as helpful as it possible could be. (See, I did it several times right there. Oops, I did it again). I think that if I just put fifty words below all of the quotes, it will cover all of them but I'm not certain. It might working just having fifty anywhere. @xinoehp512?

Words will only ever count towards one quote box, the one immediately before them.

Warning to @Luckspren and @JNV: you are earning less than three boxings. As a reminder:

• (Leader of Discussion) You earn 1 boxing for being the first vote on a player, and 1 additional boxing for each person that matches your vote.
• (Loudest Voice) You earn 5 boxings for responding to the most unique posts.
• (Active on the Floor) You earn 1 boxing for each unique player you respond to.

Edited June 28, 2022 by xinoehp512

[Stick. she/her]

12 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

(Leader of Discussion) You earn 1 boxing for voting on someone who does not have any votes on them, and 1 additional boxing for each person that matches your vote

Oh man wait so does this mean literally everyone except for Luckyspren and I has one boxing in the bag for voting on someone without a vote? Nah nah vote=JNV 

Note that this vote will change before EoD and is intended solely for satisfying greed

[Archer he/him]

40 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

• (Leader of Discussion) You earn 1 boxing for voting on someone who does not have any votes on them, and 1 additional boxing for each person that matches your vote.

So actually I was wrong, thanks for clarifying. But does this apply to how the votes look at the end or how they are when a vote is cast? For example, pretend no one votes and I make a dozen posts all voting for a different person each time. Would I get 12 boxings or just one for the final vote? 

25 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh man wait so does this mean literally everyone except for Luckyspren and I has one boxing in the bag for voting on someone without a vote? Nah nah vote=JNV 

Note that this vote will change before EoD and is intended solely for satisfying greed

People should (theoretically, not in practice) be getting enough Active on the Floor credit to survive through to the next round, allowing for vote flexibility. Speaking of which, the current thread state is pretty non-committal. That subject to change vote doesn't help us consolidate very well. I think my suspicions of TUN were born out of not understanding the rules, so where I'm at right now is Tani is top sus, then Devo has had two posts I thought were either village or not village but not null. I didn't clock what Devo means about Mat so clarification there would be good. Anyone want to join me on Tani?

vote=Tani

[JNV]

HI hi hi am here sorry for not existing yesterday I was kinda dead and in a no internet zone sorry but also hmmph why vote me off so useless so wasteful Im not really mad abotu it being me Im mad people arent trying to do things because there is suspicion which damages our chances in fiture cycles so hmmph hmmph hmmph! 

18 hours ago, Archer said:

I've come up with a strategy to deter casual votes on me: self voting! If it looks like I'm going to die, my vote will not shift, thus depriving anyone else of Leader of Discussion boxings. Otherwise, expect a late change of my vote. Ideally too late for anyone to profit from it.
(Active in the Floor) Money generating engagement question: do you all plan on dropping a vote and leaving it be until the last minute, or do you intend to shift your votes around? I can understand wanting to engage in the former approach, I'll just ask that you say things like "My red vote is elsewhere right now, but I'm probably going to land on Player X" instead of giving no updates on your developing suspicions.
Friendly reminder that you need to get at least three boxings today to survive, which can most easily be achieved by quoting three other people. As I mentioned to Xino during the committee stage, I imagine a number of people will try to use the Assassin ability on their way out the door if they're exed, assuming they can gather enough boxings for it. They have the advantage of not needing to save money for the next round. Banking on elim competence, Team Evil will probably know which targets can and can't do this and match their aggression accordingly, or outbid them when possible. I'd urge restraint, but it's a QF so a quicker pace isn't a terrible thing. That's got to be 200 words by now right
Vote=Archer

This is psosibly the worst idea cause we wnat to 1. actually do useful things with our votes 2. max village money its not a free for all its a team game so why not actually help each other grrr this is like standard Archer weird plans blah balh blah but this one actually hurts us its a selfish idea that is kind of inherently suspicious cause its a strong case to not vote on you now so hmm but backburner hm cause you do this every time so also grrr

18 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Vote=TUN

This seems like a good idea, at least for a first vote. It's especially good because I always get voted on.

What's your thoughts on bidding? I'm thinking we always need to come to a consensus on who's buying it so we can milk it for all it’s worth. For the others, voting one above minimum is probably best bang (or bribe) for your buck.

Why do you care if you punch peopl in the face as you die its fine if people earn money off your death its fine if money flows its good for the econmy you know like usually when we vote you its cause theres a good reason and this whole strategy and the vote money system in general just encuorages a lack of cohesion in the votes which allowed elim led trains to floruish and grow and give them money and they dont care if you die vs if anyone not self voting dies so yeah its not really helpful

17 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Definitely don't want to announce who's getting the bodyguard since then the elims can just not target that person and have them waste 5+ boxings. Bribery might warrant more discussion, but either nobody will want one since the exe is out of reach or it will be contentious since the people on all sides of the split votes will want one and can't be convinced otherwise or else they'd have changed their vote without the bribe. Designating someone as an assassin to kill a selected target might work so long as that player can't just buy a bodyguard to protect themselves. It is strange that both assassination and the elim kill block vote manipulation. @xinoehp512 is a killed player's vote also cancelled?

Thats a good point there good job helpful person but hmm if everyone buy sin the person who wins could just... not buy it and save money and be protected by the thought that they would if that makes sense buyt honestly having a communal thing like this just leave sit open for evil to outbid by like one so a bit against a bit not so good lets just be corrupt senators and bribe people without public knowledge ok sound good?

17 hours ago, Clanky said:

Active on the floor and loudest voice only counts replies to other players as far as I understood the rules (and it looks like the website is confirming it with Archer being at zero for both) so getting to 200 words for non-quote replies doesn't mean anything. 

I can't say I've got a voting strategy yet. The Leader of Discussion mechanic does kinda make me want to avoid any kind of bandwagon early on as it will just lead to someone getting a bunch more money than anyone else. With such a small group of people in this game it will probably only take a couple failed lynchings for the infiltrators to outnumber us and giving the wrong person enough money for an early assassination could basically end the game on the spot. The counter to that is if it is a close vote it's easy for a couple bribe actions to push the vote anywhere. There's a lot to think about so that's why I'd say my strategy is so far nonexistent

I also just realized how much you need to type to get to 200 words. I often don't have that much to say in a response to someone.

I don't think we need consensus. The senators won't know who will be telling the truth and the infiltrators could use the fact that everything is anonymous to allow one of their teammates to take their action allowing us to lose any of the real benefits of this. I do think we can try and minimize the information asymmetry in some way though.

Would it maybe work better if people all claimed what they bought during the next cycle? That way we don't allow for people to know how much is needed to buy stuff but it can give us more information on how much money people have or at least claim to have. It gives us another way to catch lies if everything doesn't add up without letting the infiltrators know everyone's plan ahead of time. It should be easy to have a full account of everyone's maximum money with help from the website and maybe a good bit of accounting will catch someone in a lie? This still has issues since it might allow the infiltrators to know who has enough money to buy a bodyguard at all times and plan accordingly. I don't think it's a great plan but maybe someone else can come up with something better or some improvements on this one.

Just avoid bandwagson in general there good life advice and profit also its not like you could stop people from getting a ton of money like me Im getting like... eight? for just quoting people you cant stop people from quoting people plus Ive quoted like every play er post in the game so its not like I can be beat until someone quotes me then I quote them and back and forrth and back and forth and the thing is posting less but longer is better for the thing cause it means other people can only quote you once and you can quote them everyone so as a single poster Ive kinda got this in the bag hahaha this is a challenge beat me I dare you the claiming kind aworks I guess also money is basically public so if someone isnt tracking that then youve missed out

17 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

You just need to get to more fifty. I think Archer was under the mistaken assumption that there was a most posts reward like in the other game of Xino's, which was very similar to this one, that he looked over. That is what would make sense to me at least. 

Well, the point would not be to choose a specific player to kill, it would be to pick a trusted player and agree among the villagers to not fight for the kill against that person.

I said this earlier but say you do that then youre just bidding against the entire elim team who are going to fight you for it with one up bids so then you have to spend lots of money anyway so its not really that helpful so Im against ok have a nice day  

16 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Nice to know for sure. 

Would a player who's being executed need to pay the bribe? For example:

If I end up losing the exe, and I choose to buy the Assassination, choosing to pay twelve to definitely outbid everyone else, but that is all my money, would you reduce my bid to nine? Even if I requested you not to?

You have this weird active investment in causing lots of murder and turmoil and poverty even after death like is this a concern should we be concerned for you assassination on detah row wow that s not such a great thing good question though nice to see thoughts goood thoughts 

14 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I plan to play this game like any other game, no funny vote tricks or placing it where I don’t actually want it to be or anything like that. I do agree with making sure to keep everyone updated if you do end up doing this, but I also like just checking the vote count to see where everyone’s at :P.

The self voting strategy technically works but I’m not sure how much I like the idea of potentially sabotaging your own vote for the sake of keeping boxings away from someone else. I’m refusing to sus TUN for following it but I… kind of want to :P.

This does read like an elim jumping on an idea that would help them but it’s you so it’s probably village  No real read off of this post.

I’m with Devo, definitely don’t try to do this :P. It’s the same principle iirc as the Rithmatist games, a lot of the value of any of the items comes from no one knowing you have it. This also reads elim to me but >>

That’s why I’m playing my votes this game completely normal  I don’t see a point in everyone self voting, we wouldn’t get discussion and it’s too easy to swing. That’s an exaggeration, but I think the point stands— and I don’t think it’s worth keeping boxings away from someone else. We could still have discussion about who we actually suspect, but then what’s the point of the self votes? Everyone would just switch around close to rollover anyway.

I like this better, but still I don’t think it’s a good idea. Anyone who claims to have bought a Bodyguard is likely a safe kill the next turn, and I don’t want to go there. Secret mechanics, in my experience, should stay secret  Generally. The one exception I can think of is that an assassin buyer might want to claim after successfully killing someone, but that also would likely be a free kill for the elims.

With nine people we probably have two elims. Three seems like far too many and I really doubt xino would make an elim suffer the single life right away  

I think I get lots of points for that. Guess we’ll see if the code likes it.

vote=Tani

Im really happy someone wont be floppy everyone else is kinda floppy also yes sus The Unknown Novel if you want we dont have much to go on ha we need money everyone needs money theres not too  much evil could do with the money off current bandwagson so just eat the rich hahaha

14 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Oh no no no, you are not allowed to come in here right away and already tie me. That is simply not allowed.

Well, it's better than me not voting, which is the norm for me. It's at least one boxing for me rather than no boxings at all. I would appreciate it if you voted me for it though, since I get money for it.

Just vote for someone else though theres like anotherp erson without a vote then I could vote on you without contributing to wealth hahah aso yeah if youd do that thatd be nice but you dont have to I always find you suspicious so honestly probably not voting you but maybe thats your strategy and hm

14 hours ago, Archer said:

>.>  I guess that makes sense coming from you, but the result is the vote count right now is me and you tied for the lead from self-voting. I really thought people would throw down some stab votes that conveniently wouldn't ever move. It's free money, gang, stake your ground. 

The NK also comes before the Assassain, so there's a high incentive to simply snipe anyone who gets enough boxings to threaten that, especially if they're the only person who gets enough for it. My gut would say that people are more likely to go for the kill than to Bodyguard themselves if they have the money for either. So the elims could probably bet on that, but its an IKYK. 

the robot doesn't like me. :/   But yes, 200 is a lot. I have started doing the student thing where you break up contractions so you get two words for the price of one. As for bidding wars, I think that buying bribes is a waste of time. We can create more money than would be generated otherwise if we all shift to the winning train near the end of the cycle, so vote manip should have limited potential. I will note though that it's the type that provides a two vote shift on a pair of opposing trains. Minus one from the one, plus one to the other. I imagine they'll only be relevant if we run into money troubles and the elims gather a nest egg. Fun fact, by the way, the Assassain ability is worded so that an elim using it has their bribe increased automatically, because hitting a villager triggers the increase. So they'll probably leave it alone, which gives them more cash to spend elsewhere. Not knowing the refill rate of the actions shop, I'm tempted to suggest buying things like bribes just to take them off the board, but I don't think we can afford that. 

Yeah, that other game is still in my head. The way I understand it now, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is that a quote response gets you a boxing per person, then if they are 200 words responses, that total puts you in contention for the Loudest Voice prize. @xinoehp512 what happens if there's a tie for this? I assume a random single person gets it, but I won't say no to multiple people getting rich. :P.      Lets look at how quickly you can earn yourself an Assassain fee. There's eight other players, minus two each round. So 6 in C2, 4 in C3. You spend 3 boxings a cycle paying off the bribe. So your earnings are (8-3)=5, (6-3)=3, (4-3)=1, then we're into negative territory, which is an interesting wrinkle. At the end of C3 you've earned nine boxings, although you could forgo the bribe in an act of self sacrifice and strike at the end of C2 with your 11 boxings stockpile. Or you may have gained boxings from any other source, which would allow you to less recklessly strike C2, but the 6 boxing toll the next round will effectively kill you. Actually killing an extra person messes those calculations up. And the possibility of bidding wars.  

Well now I feel bad for making Xino's vote tally code obsolete by keeping my vote stable. I also like the approach of just writing things and seeing if the robot likes it, because if I don't get at least 4 points from this post I will just be giving up and playing as normal.       I am of a split mind when it comes to revealing your potential purchases. On the one hand, we should all claim to be buying the Bodyguard item for an outrageous price every single round so the elims have a harder time picking NK targets or overpay to keep it out of our hands. I also think that everyone should maintain a stockpile of as many boxings as possible so they're able to buy items like the Bodyguard. Otherwise the NKs will exclusively target rich people and the elims will have an easy time picking off the survivors who can't afford to outbid them on anything. The nightmare scenario is two elims buy vote manips and have a 4 vote bloc to work with. I doubt they'll risk hammering and getting outbid, thus foiling their plot and revealing who they are, but it'd be a good idea to have enough money spread among the village that boxings aren't ever a problem. 

sorry about the long post, I had to get some 200 word responses in

Good thoughts good thoughts on assassination maybe I shouldnt have been quoting everyone so I dont get murdered oh well if I die I donate all my money to charity murder is good thoughts but also just consider how short the game will be anyway 7 2 5 2 3 2 win getting it at C3 is not early at all thats almost murder 

13 hours ago, Tani said:

The "student thing" is quite fancy, but unnecessary. You actually only need to get to fifty words, not two hundred. What do you mean by the robot not liking you?

So you started with zero boxings. Interesting.

@xinoehp512 what punishment would you strike me down with if I pulled a pre game Devo and wrote "Words" over and over again to try to get to fifty words?

I think I want to try to play an insane character. That might be interesting.

vote=Clanky *poke poke*

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaah poke votes bane of my existence I guess theres incentive here cause money money money but I dont like them never have thin ktheir useless plus you didnt even ping ack the boxing thing is an asumption theyre doing the math based on the worst case so yeah also I just always suspect you so Im leaving you be so its ok its all fine grrrrrrrrr

13 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

If you want I can pretend it was a tactical decision to arrive in the thread three hours late, therefore giving me more to quote   I’m not confident it’s better than not voting, but I’ve never liked self voting at all as a general rule and this is a different case. It makes it slightly harder to follow where you’re at, and nullifies your vote for the time being.

I mean, isn’t that the same as no one saying anything?  Either the elims have to just blindly shoot, or they have to suffer an IKYK which is basically just blindly shooting. One of those is more fun, though… 

Oh, that’s definitely a student thing. I mean, I do it  Need a 300 word response? Couldn’t becomes could not, in other words becomes another way to say that, etc. Works like a charm.

Could you start with boxings?

If that was tactical th en my like 18 hour late entrance was brilliant obviously good point good point on the bodyguard massclaim thing also the rules say nothing on boxing count so maybe who knows do you know do you have rich blood and extra boxings hm should we eat the rich id est you

12 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

The fact that failed bids still cost boxings and bodyguards don't do anything if the buyer isn't attacked will make it difficult to ensure accountability. An elim who bribes or assassinates someone can claim to have bought a bodyguard and there won't be conclusive evidence either way as to whether they're telling the truth. I do agree with assassins who manage to kill elims claiming since it's easy enough to amass 8+ boxings in one cycle to afford a bodyguard if we let them win loudest voice.

Hmm, I can see that. If that player is a villager rich enough to outbid the elims that could work, even though they'll either end up dead (since they can't self-protect while buying an assassin) or the elims will pointedly choose not to kill them. That shouldn't be much of a long-term issue since the game will be short and I can't see anybody being trusted unless one of the presumptive two elims are dead. If the NK blocks assassination, definitely not a good idea.

Oh wait failed bids still count I didnt know that hold up ok I looked in doc and in the post and I cant find where it says that was that a GM post I missed my bad could you point me where thanks in advance friendo friend really appreciate it

11 hours ago, Clanky said:

Yeah the bodyguard is an issue with that, but if you're worried about an easy elim kill then anyone who announces that they bought the assassin will basically be bankrupt for life. I think we should be safe to announce bribes after the fact, they aren't too expensive that someone who buys it will be , are easy to check the results of based on the voting results and people should have interesting reasons for their choices. Also I never said it was a good idea, I said  maybe someone else can come up with a better one 

I haven't had anyone vote to have me killed in such a long time! What a wonderful feeling!  Is there anything specific that you wanted to get a response about with that poke?

vote=stick

I believe stick was around when I was last playing these games. Am I right or was that a different stick?

oh yeah I forgot the assassin raised the money thing thats an issue yeah that might be hard hm why not just let things be though wait hold up is surviving by body guard nanoucned cause if so then that can be the claim if not then its not really important cause they didnt get attacked thouhts

11 hours ago, Tani said:

Naw, not really. I just wanted to vote you because nobody else had voted you yet and partially because I have never played with you before. It was kind of an obligatory poke vote.

On that same note, why did you vote Stick? Was there a specific response you were seeking?

No such thing as obligatory poke vote grrrr this is the hill I die on poke votes arent helpful much like the self vote strategy in this game except I guess tangentially less grrrrr cause at least its ostensibly kinda well intended unlike the self vote which is just 'hmmph Im going to die well no one gets money cause hmmmmmmmph' so yeah also the stick vote is just a poke like what you are doing and see its not helpful its not good at all hmmph

11 hours ago, Archer said:

Counter point: you won't survive to spend that money if you should earn it. I view it as more of a mutually assured destruction bid than something you want to happen

the robot doesn't like me because I made a lovely post but because it didn't quote anyone it didn't count for anything :(. 

luckily Xino likes me because apparently they made the game easier. Yay. As this point I'm committed to all the things but I most definitely will be giving up on them next round. 

That better be 50 or I'll report the count bot to the mods and have it ban hammered 

/s

Not that I know of, but if Tani says otherwise I'd be happy to vote them for it. 

This is either very villagery formatting or very looking for village cred. Not sure which. 

Are you asking... did they... stick around

:D. 

I have an opposite philosophy about people I've only just met, but each to their own. 

If I had to properly vote right now, I'd be on Tani for reacting to a poke vote on them by appearing, advertising a poke as a poke, and applying pressure on a welcome poke. Second choice would be TUN for copying my idea but for weird justification. Then JNV because they're going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice. Who are you guys suspicious of? 

The robot does not love you or hate you the robot does not see you beyond words on a screen the robot dislikes you the robot despises you the robot ignores your words you could just use a word counter to check the words then go like ten over cause different counters count differently also why the village cred to Devotary doesnt everyone want money and also bad pun bad pun hmmph

11 hours ago, Luckspren said:

Isn't that a little bit suicidal? It may be a way to possibly gain more boxings, but this is a small pool of players, and an extra vote on you every round seems like tempting fate a bit much. 

This is my first time playing, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but... seems risky. 

'JNV is going to die to the bribe filter anyway so they're a decent CC choice'. ?? Help, I'm new.. what is a bribe filter, and what is a CC?

Appreciate the insight cuz honestly no idea what is even sus. 

Also, what's this 'welcome poke' thing? Is it a way to get someone's attention?

Try five hours late... works even better. The idea is to do a bunch of quotes followed by 50 words, am I right? And what counts as 'game related content'? This post is mostly just me trying to be less confused- does that count as game related? Sorry about all the questions. 

Hi hi hi make sure you read the rules thoroughly some things are game specific like the bribe thing Im sure youve already gotten corrected by a million people but just so I can profit off your question Im going to tell you everyones gotta pay three boxings or die which is the blackmail (thye used the wrong word) and since I hadnt posted I would avhe died and CC is contribution crusade which is when you just vote off inactive which kinda wouldnt appply here thats more of a term for 'this person hasnt psoted at all ever or doesnt contribute burn the witch' and wlcome pokes are EVIL 

10 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

The student technique is still helpful for reaching fifty, it is just not quite as helpful as it possible could be. (See, I did it several times right there. Oops, I did it again). I think that if I just put fifty words below all of the quotes, it will cover all of them but I'm not certain. It might working just having fifty anywhere. @xinoehp512?

Well, I don't think it only applies to students, it's just a common sense thing. I've never had to deal with wordcount problems having been homeschooled, but I did it in Striker's game that had a very similar mechanic (though it was two hundred words instead of fifty words) to this one.

Test

Also a test.

Poke votes in this game always, always, have an alternate motive behind the perceived one, since it automatically gives you one boxing, at the very least. Although I suppose some people might not notice that. (Looking at you, Tani >.>)

You have a good point on the poke votes I might actulaly solidify Tani vote cause honsetly Matrim feeels like an ok person to give my moeny to at this time just let me finish responding to like everyoen in the gme to profit and win money hahah this is great cpaitalism for the win

10 hours ago, Clanky said:

Welcome to your first game! Don't worry about asking a lot of questions. It is tough to figure out what's going on for a while.

I assume they meant blackmail filter not bribe filter. You need to earn three boxing from posting per turn or you'll be kicked out of the game.

"Sus" is just short for suspicious. Basically susing someone is getting vibes that they are an infiltrator/on the eliminator faction.

Poke votes are basically just to get people who aren't talking to talk. Voting tends to get peoples attention

Game related is anything relating to the game; analysis, roleplaying, asking questions. Basically as long as it's not just you talking about real life your good. I would say confusion about whats going on is one of the most common ways everyone talks about the game

Honestly poke votes are hmmph and grr and I dont like them but to each their own to each their own its all good all fine all great thansks for helping out the nwebie youre a nice guy worth keepin garound a bit how has your day been do you like pasta whats your favorite number higher then 100

9 hours ago, Tani said:

I do not think so, but I figured it was not a very bad idea to bring up that question. Should I have not brought it up? Was that a very bad idea?
Did any of us start with any boxings, or did all of us start with no boxings? 

[1] Wow, thank you so very much. (Can you hear my sarcasm?)

[2] I do not understand this. What exactly do you mean by saying I was "applying pressure on a welcome poke"? I was asked a question about a random vote and responded to that question with the same question. Since when was that considered suspicious?

[1] Only a very little bit. It is only a big risk if lots of people start voting on you. Even then, though, it makes it so that you are slightly less likely to die unless lots of people think you are an evil person, because then none of the people trying to kill you will be able to get any extra money from your death.

[2] The bribe filter is that thing in the rules about everyone having to pay three boxings per day to keep their secrets. If you do not have enough boxings to pay the bribe, you die. I think that CC might mean carbon copy? I do not know for sure what Archer means by CC.

A welcome poke vote is a vote where you vote on someone for almost no reason other than because you have not played with them very much before. A normal poke vote is a vote where you vote on someone for almost no reason other than that you want to get their attention.

[4] Yep, pretty much. It is best to quote as many different people as you can. It is not at all useful to quote the same person many times as far as I know, but I am doing it anyway to try to figure out what about fifty words looks like. [5] Someone else already answered that. I think it was Clanky, but I am not sure.

I said "not really," I didn't say "no, absolutely not." Also, everybody knows about the boxing train thing, so I do not see a reason to list it as an extra reason to randomly vote someone. So yes, poke votes always have an extra reason. No, I do not see a reason to state it every single time.

Okay. Thank you.

Wasnt a bad idea but just a weird assumptin and a weird thing to think unless you started with money 

every vote is pressure so yeah you appiled pressure thats how it works and also you didnt take the vote off so its not a poke anymore its just a selfish vote for money EVIL EVIL EVIL very suspicious hmmm honestly though htis could be the poke vote thing I really really really dont think theyre hepful and it makes me disgruntled and grrrr 

6 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

I think the self-vote strategy is completely NAI since it seems like Archer came up with it before the game began so not gonna try and read into that. I think I'm missing some part of the rules - where exactly do the rules say anything about a post needing to be 200 words long? All I've been able to find is the rule stating that responses should be 50 words long. 

Hey! You are correct, we have played before! And I am the same Stick! Welcome back :D. Sorry, I forgot this game was meant to begin yesterday xD. I saw my name here so I decided to response to this one bit but I've actually got to be somewhere urgently at this moment so I haven't read much of the other posts but I should be doing that soon. And here I was thinking I should aim for Loudest Voice in all cycles...

Did they ok yeah sure I guess people problaby already said this but no Archer flubbed up and flopped a bit with the wrods he didnt need to say the pretty words sorry abot the words Archer but ha to you good job Stick for actually consulting the rules about that good on you gold star

5 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

TUN was the one who did that and his punishment was made clear in the writeup.

The rules don't say anything about anyone starting with boxings. Interestingly, they do mention open PMs even though nobody has messaged me yet.

CC is contribution crusade, where you vote for an inactive to get them out of the way/ensure the remaining players have higher activity rates. Voting for JNV as of now is essentially a no-exe since they'll die anyway, which doesn't seem productive.

Originally, loudest voice required 200 word responses while active on the floor had no stated specification for response length. I suppose Xino wanted consistency between loudest voice and active on the floor since there's significant overlap.  Adding in an extra 150 words of padding isn't necessarily helpful for us either.

 

My tendency of voting late will be unhelpful monetarily in this game. Vote=Matrim has made two posts that I haven't wanted to quote even though I haven't checked him off the active on the floor list. A lack of respondable content is somewhat notable given the flimsy reasons for this posts two quotes. Him being the only unvoted for player other than me, Luckspren (new), and JNV (absent) is more relevant though.

Oh I didnt even see the open PMs bit sharp eyes good eyes the matrim thing is a bit hmm cause its obviously just 'hey fo all the people I can profit on this guy is the worst' you cant look for suspicious people without it being a cash grab nd highwya robbery?

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Reading this as village, I don't think an elim would immediately follow suit on a plan that might lead to their exe. Sure, they could always just retract their vote but this doesn't seem elimy - at least not at first glance. About the public bidding, while I agree that some organisation there wouldn't harm the village, it also clears the path for elims so...not sure. Leaning against it tentatively.

[1] This, and also claiming other actions narrows the pool down so we're helping them pick targets either way. [2] The elim kill comes before the assassination in the order of actions so what's stopping the elims from just killing the assassin? Also what's stopping them from electing one of their own as the assassin? Speaking of which, a two-player elim team seems like a reasonable assumption for this game right?

I think some bookkeeping will definitely prove to be useful to some extent - the counter page will probably refresh every cycle so it's a good idea to take note of the state of the leader boards at the end of each cycle. The elims are likely doing this anyway. Regarding claiming actions, while the absence of action blocks and redirects would generally mean the elims are less inclined towards lying about actions, that's not the case here because it's possible for a player to exhaust their pockets on absolutely nothing (your boxings are used up regardless of whether you actually get the action) - so they could claim to have lost the bid on a particular action and we'd essentially have no way to prove it, especially if another player also claims the same. But thinking about it, denying actions can only really get them so far especially considering the size of the player base. TLDR I don't think I'm against action claiming where necessary.

Again, getting a villager vibe from these questions.

Do you think this strategy helps the elims in any meaningful way? It increases chances of close trains near EoD cuz the votes are all weirdly scattered, which is bad for them bc then the exe is unpredictable and ties lead to random exes. Uh. That's kind of all I have to say to this quote but I don't wanna leave it at less than 50 words lmao. I just realised this game has open PMs smh it's disappointing that no one has PM'd me. You know what's really interesting is that the votes are tied at 1-1-1-1 or something at the moment and if I'm interpreting the rules correctly, me voting on myself now will mean I am now the Leader of Discussion right? Since I'd be the first exe candidate with a train? It's occurring to me that I'm not really a hundred percent sure how this mechanic works exactly. But. Wait no, that would hand it over to Clanky. No. 

That's a very important observation ty cuz I simply glossed over all the details assuming it was flavour stuff. Kind of side eyeing you at the moment Archer cuz you seem well versed with the rules, too well versed ;eyes;. I don't think the elims are gonna stay clear of the Assassination action altogether - I think it's a valuable tool for endgame shenanigans. I'm guessing one elim will save up their boxings for this while the other spends theirs on the protection or something.

hmmm. This post. I think there's something here. I could see Archer/Tani as potentially E/E - this post reads like artificially constructed suspicion towards Archer, an attempt at distancing. Voting on him right here would've been too incriminating, but I can see it as a set up for a potential vote on him (which would make Archer Leader of Discussion). 

It's also weird that you ask this 17 minutes after they voted on me, which seems a tad rushed to me considering that I hadn't even responded to their vote yet :P. Like, if there was a specific response they were hoping to get out of me, they wouldn't exactly wanna reveal it before my response  Want to throw a vote on Tani, don't want to give Mat the Discussion Leader title. >:( 

Why?

Luckspren and I hadn't posted then either, so what makes me and JNV different? (Luckspren gets newbie privilege I get it).

You are not allowed to say this - you and Tani are E/E >:[

Welcome!  Everyone has to earn (and passively spend) 3 boxings per cycle in order to survive and not get killed by the filter - since JNV hasn't yet posted, their life is at risk. CC is short for Contribution Crusade - basically getting rid of the inactives. A welcome poke I think is less about grabbing someone's attention and more about getting discussion going, which I don't necessarily think works, but it's better than a silent thread. Everything you've said in your post counts as game related content, and so does any role play iirc. Also, who instructed you to ask these questions from your google doc?  

Hmm fair, but you could've asked TUN in your GM PM  Still sus.

Ah thank you, makes sense.

 

edit: daaaaamnn with 2 posts I'm now the loudest voice AND most active on the floor haha take that

The plna itslef is not helpful but the players using it are just sorta meh I do like your agreement on the actino claiming thing thought but also its an easy line of reasoning to get out of claiming but bodyguard will take car eof itself I think might be wrong on that its not in the rules

28 minutes ago, Archer said:

Other people have done a good job explaining what a CC (Contribution Crusade) and welcome pokes are, so I'll focus on the first part here. Hi, by the way! Welcome to the game. Self voting would normally suicidal, but my logic is hopefully the self vote will be removed eventually and shifted elsewhere. If it sticks, that means I'm dying but refusing to let anyone profit from it directly. Which is just damage mitigation. 

You keep saying that voting gives you a boxing, I think implying that you believe that the head of every train gets a boxing. I am pretty sure it’s just the leader of the train that gets someone killed. Voting only enriches one person per round, as far as I know. I might be wrong though

I'll +1 that sentiment, with the caveat that some people here will answer in bad faith as they are on the opposite team. So your GM PM is your best resource for definitively true answers. 

This is correct. There's two Pay Money to Live Longer mechanics and I named the wrong one. Actually a lot of actions can be described like that, but those two confuse me the most. 

I started with no boxings, which I assumed was universal.

My assumption is that for meta reasons, you aren’t super committed to killing Clanky. I also assume that the elims are likely to avoid pushing successful wagons if they don’t have to because the spiteful victims of those will be gung-ho about sending Assassins after people. So appearing to pressure someone you don’t think will die today is a good way of parking a vote without risking much retaliation. And advertising it as a poke lessens the chances that someone will add to it and put you in a tight spot.

It’s very clearly right there in the rules. The old rules. For a different game. All you have to do is look at an outdated doc and you’ll find it’s a very important element :3. (It’s fifty. Just write fifty words, two hundred is a waste of your time.)

Pfft who has time for PMs. I think they’d be useful places to coordinate bidding so that we use our money as efficiently as possible, but you don’t get boxings for talking in secret so…

Interestingly they appear to be group PMs. Brave move on the GM’s part. Good reminder, Devo    

Clearly the fabulous plan actually makes it less likely that you'll be exed, but based on the assumption that elims don't act out much, this tracks.

I was just going to screenshot the bot near rollover. That should have all the information we need. 

I've read the rules cover to cover several times tying to understand how boxing-generation works and I still don't get it. I reject this baseless flattery. 

If anyone was going to start with boxings, it'd be an undersized elim team. 

Basically that

Shoujldnt you want people to make money on your death especially the early voter whos somewhat tinily less likely to be evil in my opinion cause money is good for village and its not like there going to get a ton of money out of it theres just not many people to get the vote money so its not a big deal also I said this down below cause you ninjad me but strong agree on Tani but mitigated by my own money hungry needs

3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh man wait so does this mean literally everyone except for Luckyspren and I has one boxing in the bag for voting on someone without a vote? Nah nah vote=JNV 

Note that this vote will change before EoD and is intended solely for satisfying greed

Hey! Meanie if its just for greed then why if it will change hten why its a useless vote that wont even get you money if it will change Im offended Im the scapegoat in your plans to conquer the world with propaganda and goats hmmph I deserve better than a placeholder 

1 minute ago, Archer said:

So actually I was wrong, thanks for clarifying. But does this apply to how the votes look at the end or how they are when a vote is cast? For example, pretend no one votes and I make a dozen posts all voting for a different person each time. Would I get 12 boxings or just one for the final vote? 

People should (theoretically, not in practice) be getting enough Active on the Floor credit to survive through to the next round, allowing for vote flexibility. Speaking of which, the current thread state is pretty non-committal. That subject to change vote doesn't help us consolidate very well. I think my suspicions of TUN were born out of not understanding the rules, so where I'm at right now is Tani is top sus, then Devo has had two posts I thought were either village or not village but not null. I didn't clock what Devo means about Mat so clarification there would be good. Anyone want to join me on Tani?

vote=Tani

Deevotary means that Matrim said nothing they want to respond to so thats hmm but its obviously motivated by money so I dont even consider it honestly considering going there a bit hmmm hmmm well since you voted Tani already I feel safe enough to go for  vote=Devotary instead if the vote looks tied or wobbly at the end Ill go to Tani but yes I am a hypocrite money money money 

Just realised how annoying this post will be for like everyone involved sorry bout that but MONEY hahaha ok bye see you later

[xinoehp512 he/him]

18 minutes ago, Archer said:

So actually I was wrong, thanks for clarifying. But does this apply to how the votes look at the end or how they are when a vote is cast? For example, pretend no one votes and I make a dozen posts all voting for a different person each time. Would I get 12 boxings or just one for the final vote? 

How the vote looks at the end, yes, so just one. In a sense the vote count is the scoreboard for Leader of Discussion.

[Stick. she/her]

5 minutes ago, Archer said:

So actually I was wrong, thanks for clarifying. But does this apply to how the votes look at the end or how they are when a vote is cast? For example, pretend no one votes and I make a dozen posts all voting for a different person each time. Would I get 12 boxings or just one for the final vote? 

People should (theoretically, not in practice) be getting enough Active on the Floor credit to survive through to the next round, allowing for vote flexibility. Speaking of which, the current thread state is pretty non-committal. That subject to change vote doesn't help us consolidate very well. I think my suspicions of TUN were born out of not understanding the rules, so where I'm at right now is Tani is top sus, then Devo has had two posts I thought were either village or not village but not null. I didn't clock what Devo means about Mat so clarification there would be good. Anyone want to join me on Tani?

vote=Tani

Okay, my thoughts on you have changed. Light village read overall at the moment for bringing up these technicalities in a way that seems natural to me. It should generally be NAI but I'll go with my gut on this one. For now I've got light village reads on both TUN and Archer, and general bad gut reads on Tani, Mat, Devo, and JNV (who has just ninja'd me with a gigantic post holy crem there goes all my hard work trying to climb up the ladder).

12 minutes ago, JNV said:

Just avoid bandwagson in general there good life advice and profit also its not like you could stop people from getting a ton of money like me Im getting like... eight? for just quoting people you cant stop people from quoting people plus Ive quoted like every play er post in the game so its not like I can be beat until someone quotes me then I quote them and back and forrth and back and forth and the thing is posting less but longer is better for the thing cause it means other people can only quote you once and you can quote them everyone so as a single poster Ive kinda got this in the bag hahaha this is a challenge beat me I dare you the claiming kind aworks I guess also money is basically public so if someone isnt tracking that then youve missed out

I'm pretty sure two votes or more on any player counts as a train so are you suggesting that we leave every exe tied at 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and have RNGesus decide who dies? That seems uh, counterintuitive to the village goal?  Archer's right we have to consolidate votes. We have to decide as a thread whether we want a weak exe (such that it is susceptible to vote manip bribes) or a more consolidated one, which has the downside of handing out many many boxings to a potential elim (first vote on the train in question).

@xinoehp512 what happens if someone vote manips Mat's vote away? Will Archer (the second vote on the train) be getting the boxings earned from the leader of discussion thing instead?

17 minutes ago, JNV said:

Hey! Meanie if its just for greed then why if it will change hten why its a useless vote that wont even get you money if it will change Im offended Im the scapegoat in your plans to conquer the world with propaganda and goats hmmph I deserve better than a placeholder

Yeah no I misunderstood the rules there (thank you Archer for prompting clarification) so turns out only the final vote count counts towards the boxing earnings so that's slightly disappointing. There is some consolation in the fact that a lot of us probably wont end up getting that one extra boxing which is good as it'll make players who don't bother changing their 'poke votes' by EoD stand out. If they value that one boxing more than actually contributing to the exe in a meaningful way then they will automatically move to my elim reads (not saying I want you dead straightaway if you don't change your poke vote, but I'll be heavily side-eyeing you). 

[Mat he/him]

vote=Devotary

I don’t think that spreading the vote for the sake of money is a good idea, but I guess everyone’s trying to do that, huh >> Sorry for not being around as much as usual, but I’m out of town and restricted mostly to mobile so this is what you get

I don’t think there’s any reason for Tani to die, Archer said that one thing but I don’t really agree with that. I currently like Archer/JNV/Stick but I haven’t read anything close enough to comfortably read them village. Clanky and Luckspren are out of the question for me because returning/new, and that doesn’t leave a lot of people.

I don’t think the vote should be overly split. An extra boxing isn’t worth that much :P.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Matrim's Dice
May do a longer post for boxings later, but probably don’t have the time

[Stick. she/her]

12 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

vote=Devotary

I don’t think that spreading the vote for the sake of money is a good idea, but I guess everyone’s trying to do that, huh >> Sorry for not being around as much as usual, but I’m out of town and restricted mostly to mobile so this is what you get

I don’t think there’s any reason for Tani to die, Archer said that one thing but I don’t really agree with that. I currently like Archer/JNV/Stick but I haven’t read anything close enough to comfortably read them village. Clanky and Luckspren are out of the question for me because returning/new, and that doesn’t leave a lot of people.

I don’t think the vote should be overly split. An extra boxing isn’t worth that much :P.

I'm surprised you moved your vote, Mat. Especially considering how both JNV and I explicitly threw suspicion on Tani, so that train definitely had the potential to grow and get you 3 boxings at least. I don't think an elim would've passed that up, unless of course you are teammates with Tani. So I'm committed to v!Mat, unless it's e!Tani in which I'd say it's got to be e!Mat as well. I don't mind testing that theory: vote=Tani

[Mat he/him]

19 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

I'm surprised you moved your vote, Mat. Especially considering how both JNV and I explicitly threw suspicion on Tani, so that train definitely had the potential to grow and get you 3 boxings at least. I don't think an elim would've passed that up, unless of course you are teammates with Tani. So I'm committed to v!Mat, unless it's e!Tani in which I'd say it's got to be e!Mat as well. I don't mind testing that theory: vote=Tani

I’m surprised you went with this option as opposed to the option of me just not paying that much attention :P. I think I knew that you and JNV expressed suspicion of Tani, I definitely knew Archer had, but I guess I didn’t put that together with the thought of earning boxings. Though I dunno if I’d have kept my vote if I had noticed, since I think I value consolidation and voting true more than I do boxings. So thanks for the v read, I guess?

Edit: @Luckspren you’re currently slated to die to the blackmail filter

Edited June 28, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Archer he/him]

1 hour ago, JNV said:

 

Deevotary means that Matrim said nothing they want to respond to so thats hmm but its obviously motivated by money so I dont even consider it honestly considering going there a bit hmmm hmmm well since you voted Tani already I feel safe enough to go for  vote=Devotary instead if the vote looks tied or wobbly at the end Ill go to Tani but yes I am a hypocrite money money money 

Just realised how annoying this post will be for like everyone involved sorry bout that but MONEY hahaha ok bye see you later

Lets unpack all that later. I’m glad you showed up because people dying to the filter is bad for us. Looks like Luckspren might get hit, which means the elims hit parity after C3 if we assume there’s 2 of them and there’s no other kills. A Bodyguard block would be nice for us

38 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Okay, my thoughts on you have changed. Light village read overall at the moment for bringing up these technicalities in a way that seems natural to me. It should generally be NAI but I'll go with my gut on this one. For now I've got light village reads on both TUN and Archer, and general bad gut reads on Tani, Mat, Devo, and JNV (who has just ninja'd me with a gigantic post holy crem there goes all my hard work trying to climb up the ladder).

How'd you have a bad gut read on JNV before they posted? Did you read their post before posting?

13 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

I'm surprised you moved your vote, Mat. Especially considering how both JNV and I explicitly threw suspicion on Tani, so that train definitely had the potential to grow and get you 3 boxings at least. I don't think an elim would've passed that up, unless of course you are teammates with Tani. So I'm committed to v!Mat, unless it's e!Tani in which I'd say it's got to be e!Mat as well. I don't mind testing that theory: vote=Tani

interesting point

join the movement, give me boxings

32 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

vote=Devotary

I don’t think there’s any reason for Tani to die, Archer said that one thing but I don’t really agree with that.

I thinkt he case against Devo and Tani is about equal, but you didn't give me a good reason to vote Devo there, so I'm left wondering if you just want me to move to my secondary suspect

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Edit: @Luckspren you’re currently slated to die to the blackmail filter

FYI just quote some more people's posts to survive