Mat he/him Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 Aman Really can’t see his votes from a village perspective. In what situation does v!Aman park on an inactive last cycle and stay there? Aman’s usually very invested in solving, using his votes to prod people and work out the elims. He’s not a villager to stay on an inactive for a turn like he did last cycle.
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) TJ ED1T: JNV Orlok TUN Mat TJ From my PoV, that was either an extremely blatant elim hammer attempt (both Mat and TJ are the last elims), or one of my voters preferred my death over Xino and both of our deaths over TUN. TUN is either lock town for the Thaid kill (in a 3 elim world) or paired with Mat/TJ (in a 4 elim world), since either Mat or TJ would need to submit that kill (Orlok could not because inactive, JNV is the most likely town of you all) and neither of them were down to vote TUN. That means the team has to be one of: Mat/TJ TJ/TUN Mat/TUN Mat TJ @JNV @Orlok Tsubodai @The Unknown Novel What do you all think? 1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said: Really can’t see his votes from a village perspective. In what situation does v!Aman park on an inactive last cycle and stay there? Aman’s usually very invested in solving, using his votes to prod people and work out the elims. He’s not a villager to stay on an inactive for a turn like he did last cycle. I could not be online >> if I was I would have told y'all to stop voting Xino and vote TUN instead, Xino's play yesterday made no sense from an elim perspective except to make a partnered TJ look better after his flip. Meanwhile TUN has done nothing but dodge the filter by promising to post thoughts; I've yet to see anything town from TUN while Xino did Town things. Edited April 2, 2022 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: since either Mat or TJ would need to submit that kill Both TUN and Orlok have been on the Shard within the cycle, and could have submitted the kill without posting in thread. 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: I could not be online >> if I was I would have told y'all to stop voting Xino and vote TUN instead, Xino's play yesterday made no sense from an elim perspective except to make a partnered TJ look better after his flip. Meanwhile TUN has done nothing but dodge the filter by promising to post thoughts; I've yet to see anything town from TUN while Xino did Town things. That’s not my point, though. My point is that you went for TUN to begin with, and didn’t consider anyone else. The town Aman I know of wouldn’t do that. You say xino did town things but you never said that while he was alive that I can recall. You never seemed opposed to his death, instead just chasing after the side train the whole time, and sure you might not have been online but that isn’t a defense to starting on TUN and staying there, I think
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) On 4/2/2022 at 7:29 PM, Matrim's Dice said: Both TUN and Orlok have been on the Shard within the cycle, and could have submitted the kill without posting in thread. That’s not my point, though. My point is that you went for TUN to begin with, and didn’t consider anyone else. The town Aman I know of wouldn’t do that. You say xino did town things but you never said that while he was alive that I can recall. You never seemed opposed to his death, instead just chasing after the side train the whole time, and sure you might not have been online but that isn’t a defense to starting on TUN and staying there, I think Sure, they could have submitted the kill, but submitting the Thaid kill makes no sense from my PoV. Also... On 4/1/2022 at 7:32 PM, Amanuensis said: If you're Village, what do we do tomorrow if TJ flips Village? Who do you think is an elim then? ED1T: (3) Xino: Mat, JNV, Thaid, (1) TUN: Aman, (1) TJ: Xino, Eh. @|TJ| @Orlok Tsubodai @The Unknown Novel could really use your thoughts I don't know how I feel about 3 of my town reads voting Xino rn =\ maybe it's just him but I don't get the stubborn "I'm voting TJ only" conviction + I'm surprised he didn't vote Orlok over Bort yesterday. Something isn't right here and I need more perspectives to work it out. TJ! What do you think about Xino tunneling you, as someone who spent most of the game tunneling Stick/Archer? Orlok! You caught Bort, so who do you think his partner is? TUN! You caught up with the game, right? How do you feel about the others / the game state? Is there anything you find unusual? You're either not reading my posts or intentionally lying now >> ED1T: More of my point, I considered all worlds On 4/1/2022 at 10:47 PM, Amanuensis said: Yeah, I think we're in the same headspace; it's very likely just 1 between TUN/Xino based on how I feel about others being Townier, but when things seem too easy, that's when I begin to expect that I'm missing something and start worrying most =\ In a 4-person-team scenario, If Xino flips elim and the game isn't over, then I think TJ could honestly be the 4th person? I don't know why he'd not fight his death and continue to tunnel TJ otherwise, except to clear TJ for lylo. But if Xino flips town, it's either just TUN or TUN and someone that's pushing Xino over TUN (Mat, JNV, Thaid) or someone else that's currently not participating at all with hopes of riding their town cred to lylo. Fortunately, every kill the elims make further narrows the poe, so even if we get the yeet wrong today, we should have a better idea of the game state tomorrow. There's also a possibility that in a solo-TUN world, there won't be a kill tonight period because he's inactive, so technically safer to yeet Xino today and confirm if there's an active elim or not. So wait and see I guess =\ Xino just logically did not make sense unless on a team with TJ, and he did nothing to save Bort on C3, which is another factor I weighed in his favor. ED2T: @|TJ| if you're Village, why vote me with Mat, who you suspect for defending Bort + trying to derail the Bort yeet onto me C3? Why not vote TUN when he was in your PoE? Edited April 5, 2022 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: Sure, they could have submitted the kill, but submitting the Thaid kill makes no sense from my PoV. Thaid kill makes sense from any elim PoV, imo. They were the only player that was unanimously trusted. 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: You're either not reading my posts or intentionally lying now >> Keyword, that I can recall :P. I read your posts and I'm definitely not intentionally lying, I just also can't remember everything you said, or maybe I missed it because of the edit. Still though, as far as saying xino is town that's a pretty discreet way to do so. Three townreads voting someone would imply to me more than I'm on the right track than not, depending on the surety of those townreads. Reading the bolded sentence I honestly don't read that as a defence of xino, so maybe I did see it when you wrote it before.
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Thaid kill makes sense from any elim PoV, imo. They were the only player that was unanimously trusted. Keyword, that I can recall :P. I read your posts and I'm definitely not intentionally lying, I just also can't remember everything you said, or maybe I missed it because of the edit. Still though, as far as saying xino is town that's a pretty discreet way to do so. Three townreads voting someone would imply to me more than I'm on the right track than not, depending on the surety of those townreads. Reading the bolded sentence I honestly don't read that as a defence of xino, so maybe I did see it when you wrote it before. Mat... On 3/31/2022 at 0:00 AM, Matrim's Dice said: Am I the only one worried by literally everyone's bottom tier being identical? On 3/31/2022 at 0:43 AM, Matrim's Dice said: I'm honestly looking at Aman/xino right now and would switch there if I thought it anyone else did. Bort does work, don't get me wrong. I just want everyone to go to Aman and xino next if Bort flips village, and there's no guarantee of that happening :P. On 3/31/2022 at 8:54 AM, Matrim's Dice said: Anyone being 90% sure about anything with this gamestate also worries me xD ED1T: We also PM'd about how I felt about Xino >> ED2T: You know what. Matrim. I no longer am capable of believing this tunnel isn't fabricated anymore. Mat posted an Orlok vote post that defended Bort, retracted it after TJ and I called him out for it with a vote on Bort, then near EoD tried to switch the votes to me over Bort. He looks extremely partnered with Bort. Yesterday he pushed a yeet on Xino, a now confirmed Townie, and then last minute tried to get me voted out instead of Xino. Once again trying to get me removed from the game, except this time it nearly worked because TJ joined him. Mat is the only possible busser of Araris on D1 - which I have been advocating this entire game was pure - yet Thaid was killed over Mat after the Archer and Stick NKs. At a certain point I need to stop fooling myself. Mat has been doing an incredible job in PMs this game with me, but this push on me just makes no sense from a Village perspective. @|TJ| sorry I doubted you and everyone else that thought Araris was bussed D1. Edited April 3, 2022 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Mat... First quote: There's a difference between your trusts voting together and everyone voting together. It was the quantity that was weird to me, and I was wrong about Bort anyway. Second quote: The first line is directly related to the bolded bit, it's just the inverse (I would vote here if I had some townreads back me up). Second line isn't really relevant. Third quote: I stand by that statement; it's irrelevant to the bolded bit. What are those quotes supposed to imply? They seem loosely related at best to the bolded bit.
JNV Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 I know only that I know nothing gahh why is this so hard I dont understand why evil TJ would gun for Amanuensis over xinoehp when xinoehp was village seems like itd be easier to force the vote next turn after xinoehps death cause one voter possibly sheep would be done with and flip especialkly if Matrim is village and paranoid cause the same susceptibility actually if either one is an elim manipulating the other then the better option is to let xinoehp die and play off that immediately to reinforce it going to Amanuensis makes no sense its just a worse strategy and xinoehp apparently had to be asked by Matrim for this so Id tentativley think better o fMatrim and go TJ in that case I dont think it can be both of them and honestly Im not ruling out the posibility that its just The Unknown Novel cause they were online last cycle but for now TJ I guess @Matrim's Dice were you colluding with TJ in PMs about that Amanuensis vote if so were you convincing them or they convincing you to hop on Amanuensis and also why do you trust TJ Amanuensis if you are actually an elim youve fooled me congrats you have my eternal respect Kai walked. They didn't know where they were going. They just needed to go. They didn't usually stay long enough to become entwined in the dying moments of a town. Slipping out in the beginning was easier, when the eyes of the enemy were cast far and wide instead of close and piercing. Falling out of the story as a side character instead of a leading role. But they were trapped now, bound by the watching eyes of friend and foe alike, and there was no escape for them. They had to choose. ("You're soft, Kaiya, and besides, you're the third in line. You have no hope of inheritance unless you take matters into your own hands." Their father handed them a small crystal vial. "You know what to do.") 1
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 Onto c4, which only has two pages. Once I'm done with that, I'll look at the... 93 notifications I have on the shard. Then I'll read this cycle. Then I'll have peace. Praise the Light. 1
Mat he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, JNV said: I dont understand why evil TJ would gun for Amanuensis over xinoehp when xinoehp was village seems like itd be easier to force the vote next turn after xinoehps death cause one voter possibly sheep would be done with and flip especialkly if Matrim is village and paranoid actually if either one is an elim manipulating the other then the better option is to let xinoehp die and play off that immediately to reinforce it going to Amanuensis makes no sense its just a worse strategy Exactly. e!TJ doesn't vote xino and then edit in an Aman vote. e!TJ either ensures xino's death or straight-votes Aman if that's his plan. Moving suddenly to Aman when xino was a shoo-in misexe isn't an elim play. 33 minutes ago, JNV said: I dont think it can be both of them and honestly Im not ruling out the posibility that its just The Unknown Novel cause they were online last cycle but for now TJ I guess Excuse me if I massively misunderstood your first paragraph, but did you not just reason out that it doesn't make logical sense for an elim to shift the vote right there? 5 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said: Onto c4, which only has two pages. Once I'm done with that, I'll look at the... 93 notifications I have on the shard. Then I'll read this cycle. Then I'll have peace. Praise the Light. Before you do that, what's your thoughts on what you've read so far? Edit: Forgot about the ping whoops 30 minutes ago, JNV said: @Matrim's Dice were you colluding with TJ in PMs about that Amanuensis vote if so were you convincing them or they convincing you to hop on Amanuensis and also why do you trust TJ I asked him near to the beginning of the cycle if he'd consider voting Aman and he was unsure but leaning towards not, I think. I needed absolutely no convincing to vote Aman, and his Aman vote was unprompted from me but made sense in the context of his progression. TJ's my middle tier at the moment. Edited April 3, 2022 by Matrim's Dice
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: Exactly. e!TJ doesn't vote xino and then edit in an Aman vote. e!TJ either ensures xino's death or straight-votes Aman if that's his plan. Moving suddenly to Aman when xino was a shoo-in misexe isn't an elim play. Excuse me if I massively misunderstood your first paragraph, but did you not just reason out that it doesn't make logical sense for an elim to shift the vote right there? Before you do that, what's your thoughts on what you've read so far? Not a fan of Aman. I have a kinda wallpost that I don't remember half of I need to post. Not sure where other than that. Totally didn't think it was Xino, then proceed to look at the flips and question my sanity. Totally.
Mat he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) Huh just noticed Aman's post 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: Mat posted an Orlok vote post that defended Bort, retracted it after TJ and I called him out for it with a vote on Bort, then near EoD tried to switch the votes to me over Bort. He looks extremely partnered with Bort. True, but that'd be pretty storming obvious of me, wouldn't it? 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: Yesterday he pushed a yeet on Xino, a now confirmed Townie, and then last minute tried to get me voted out instead of Xino. Once again trying to get me removed from the game, except this time it nearly worked because TJ joined him. You're acting like voting you at EoD was my idea xD Regardless, what would e!me have to gain from last minute switching from a villager to another villager? It's the same reason TJ doesn't make sense, why not just let xino go through? 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: Mat is the only possible busser of Araris on D1 - which I have been advocating this entire game was pure - yet Thaid was killed over Mat after the Archer and Stick NKs. Again, Thaid was literally the only person who was consensus village read. He makes sense as an NK. Archer was ascribed to Bort and Stick was also consensus village read. I don't know if I was, but I don't think I was. I could have been left alive because I'm just wrong and in a tunnel, but then who would the team be? Not TJ and you. Not TJ and JNV. Not Orlok in anyone. It would have to be TJ and TUN or JNV and TUN, and TJ doesn't make sense, so do you want me to vote JNV? Assume that TJ switches from villager to villager for no reason right there? 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: At a certain point I need to stop fooling myself. Mat has been doing an incredible job in PMs this game with me, but this push on me just makes no sense from a Village perspective. It... probably doesn't make sense but you know me >> As I outlined in the previous paragraph, I'm kind of limited as far as PoEs go. I'm not considering Orlok. A two person team is restricting and I almost want to vote JNV for fitting into more possible comps, and his contradictory last post. As much as I do not want to vote v!you, I do not want to not vote e!you. Especially if I've been on the correct track this whole time. But I'm getting tired of fighting you about this, I've made my points :P. 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: @|TJ| sorry I doubted you and everyone else that thought Araris was bussed D1. Yes. The fourth Araris vote which tied him with Stick last minute comes from an elim, clearly. EDIT: (@Kasimir) No. I can't bring myself to do this right now. I don't know if it's just AtE or what but- no. If Aman is evil, he's probably paired with JNV. If Aman is village, JNV is likely elim anyway. Edited April 3, 2022 by Matrim's Dice
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) On 3/27/2022 at 0:53 PM, _Stick_ said: @The Unknown Novel you were online during last cycle but chose not to post - were you the fanged elim? update on reads is that I've definitely grown less suspicious of xino - told Mat in PMs towards the end of last turn, doesnt have anything to do with the flip. The more I read and reread their posts and they seem to make me lean village. The fact that they were okay with voting alongside me might be a village thing? Though in light of Araris' flip, I think there might be some significance in the fact that xino 'forgot' to assign him a read. If Archer is a villager, it means that Araris did not distance himself at all from any teammates the entire cycle, unless Striker is E. Or you are. But I mean Araris brought up both of those last two scenarios as possibilities, so I dont know what to think of that. Araris switched over from Striker to me when the votes were: And of course that brought it up to a tie between Thaid and I. Based off just this, my suspicion for Thaid has increased. That said, I can definitely see an elim tying votes between two villagers because- why not? They'd love extra chaos, plus everyone wants to exe the counter wagon in the next cycle. >> I do not like posting when I haven't read everything (posting anything meaningful that is), so I read part of d1, but didn't do anything as I barely read anything. On 3/30/2022 at 11:02 AM, Amanuensis said: (3) Orlok: Stick, Aman, Kas, Bort, (2) Bort: Orlok, Thaidakar, (1) Matrim: TJ, (1) TJ: Xino, Okay, so. Orlok and Bort are both in my PoE, so I'm happy with voting either rn. Matrim and TJ I'm leaning Town on so they're completely off the table for me. Thought experiment time! @Orlok Tsubodai Say that Bort gets yeeted and flips green tomorrow? Who is your next suspect? @Bort If Orlok gets yeeted instead and flips green, who is your next suspect? @|TJ| Same question regarding Mat; if green, who next? @xinoehp512 I bet you can guess what I'm asking you without even asking @The Unknown Novel Since we both were unable to participate in the early game, I'm most especially curious about your thoughts of current events? Well, I'm not the biggest fan of you and your insistence on e!me. On 3/31/2022 at 10:42 AM, _Stick_ said: What if everyone switched to TUN :eyes: this is a joke or is it? Please don't. That would be mean. I've read everything now. That would no longer be mean. (But I'm vil, so it would be suboptimal) On 3/31/2022 at 5:12 PM, Amanuensis said: I think it's a possibility, yes I'm ramping up in the game now + whether I voted Bort or not, I'm a big part of the fact he was voted at all I liked this and the associated posts at first, as why would an un night killable elim draw attention to the night kill going on them when it's impossible? But this could be a weird play to seem villager as well. On 4/1/2022 at 5:32 PM, Amanuensis said: If you're Village, what do we do tomorrow if TJ flips Village? Who do you think is an elim then? ED1T: (3) Xino: Mat, JNV, Thaid, (1) TUN: Aman, (1) TJ: Xino, Eh. @|TJ| @Orlok Tsubodai @The Unknown Novel could really use your thoughts I don't know how I feel about 3 of my town reads voting Xino rn =\ maybe it's just him but I don't get the stubborn "I'm voting TJ only" conviction + I'm surprised he didn't vote Orlok over Bort yesterday. Something isn't right here and I need more perspectives to work it out. TJ! What do you think about Xino tunneling you, as someone who spent most of the game tunneling Stick/Archer? Orlok! You caught Bort, so who do you think his partner is? TUN! You caught up with the game, right? How do you feel about the others / the game state? Is there anything you find unusual? I had not caught up with the game at the time. As I previously mentioned, you're my top sus, followed by JNV, who I am indifferent towards. Everyone else has sligyt v credences in my eyes. 23 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Yeah, I think we're in the same headspace; it's very likely just 1 between TUN/Xino based on how I feel about others being Townier, but when things seem too easy, that's when I begin to expect that I'm missing something and start worrying most =\ In a 4-person-team scenario, If Xino flips elim and the game isn't over, then I think TJ could honestly be the 4th person? I don't know why he'd not fight his death and continue to tunnel TJ otherwise, except to clear TJ for lylo. But if Xino flips town, it's either just TUN or TUN and someone that's pushing Xino over TUN (Mat, JNV, Thaid) or someone else that's currently not participating at all with hopes of riding their town cred to lylo. Fortunately, every kill the elims make further narrows the poe, so even if we get the yeet wrong today, we should have a better idea of the game state tomorrow. There's also a possibility that in a solo-TUN world, there won't be a kill tonight period because he's inactive, so technically safer to yeet Xino today and confirm if there's an active elim or not. So wait and see I guess =\ Do you think I'm still a solo elim possibility, considering the kill actually happened? Also, do you still think I'm the most elimmy person? Edit: Aman @Kasimirimirimir, you hath been notified of the edited vote. Edited April 3, 2022 by The Unknown Novel
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: ... Well, I'm not the biggest fan of you and your insistence on e!me. ... I've read everything now. That would no longer be mean. (But I'm vil, so it would be suboptimal) I liked this and the associated posts at first, as why would an un night killable elim draw attention to the night kill going on them when it's impossible? But this could be a weird play to seem villager as well. I had not caught up with the game at the time. As I previously mentioned, you're my top sus, followed by JNV, who I am indifferent towards. Everyone else has sligyt v credences in my eyes. Do you think I'm still a solo elim possibility, considering the kill actually happened? Also, do you still think I'm the most elimmy person? Edit: Aman @Kasimirimirimir, you hath been notified of the edited vote. Allow me to refer you to my first post today 14 hours ago, Amanuensis said: From my PoV, that was either an extremely blatant elim hammer attempt (both Mat and TJ are the last elims), or one of my voters preferred my death over Xino and both of our deaths over TUN. TUN is either lock town for the Thaid kill (in a 3 elim world) or paired with Mat/TJ (in a 4 elim world), since either Mat or TJ would need to submit that kill (Orlok could not because inactive, JNV is the most likely town of you all) and neither of them were down to vote TUN. That means the team has to be one of: Mat/TJ TJ/TUN Mat/TUN Mat TJ @The Unknown Novel I do not believe in the solo!elim!TUN reality anymore, no. Thaid's death suggests a deeper understanding of the game state than I think you would have being completely alone. I have not ruled out that you could be on a team with Matrim or TJ, however, and I am infinitely more confident in one of them being an elim after yesterday. I do feel you voting me right now does make you look partnered with one of them since both have now tried to get me voted out, though. If you are Village, can you tell me why you suspect me other than for voting you yesterday? We are very close to lylo now and cannot afford another mistake after Xino, so if you're not an elim, then us voting together is critical. Can you also tell me what about JNV you suspect? They're my best bet for a Villager right now besides Orlok, who is currently inactive, although I acknowledge that I don't know how e!JNV operates and that they could be pocketing me (main reason for me town reading them is their pure tone + helping me catch up in the game). Was there something you saw that raised alarm bells for you? Personally, I suspect Mat a whole lot more for the reasons I've posted above, and the fact he's trying to get people to vote JNV means that JNV is likely Village too. Can you tell me what about Mat and TJ have "slight v credences"? Mat did help vote Araris D1, that is true, but he also defended Bort when Orlok initially pushed him on C3 + tried to get people to stop voting Bort to vote me/Xino on C3 instead. As for TJ, he's not voted a known elim once, and was happy to vote you, Xino, or myself yesterday; in the event you are Village, that's 3 different Villagers TJ wanted dead. Neither of them have "v credences" in my eyes, so if you're seeing something I'm not, I would appreciate your perspective greatly. I am willing to believe you are Village, TUN, because I do suspect one of, if not both of, Mat and TJ are elims. If you can help me figure out which one is for certain (in a 3 elim world) and vote them out today, then we win. If we are in a 4 elim world, then voting correctly is even more important, else we lose. @Orlok Tsubodai we could also use your help too. There were too few votes yesterday and we cannot afford any more non-voters in a 2!elims!remaining world. @|TJ| If you are not elims with Mat, then I ask you reconsider voting alongside him. At this point I am convinced Mat is either a solo elim or paired with you or TUN. I do not believe he genuinely thinks JNV is an elim if I'm Village. Just yesterday he was village reading JNV; this feels like a switch intended to appease me / get me to stop pushing Mat's yeet. ED1T: @The Unknown Novel for what it's worth, I have been consistently trying to get you involved in the game. If I was an elim, I would have stopped reminding you to post and let you die to the filter in order to make reaching parity easier. Please consider this if you are Village, as well as the "I might be a veteran" claim I did yesterday. ED2T: @JNV at this point I am more convinced that Mat is an elim than TJ. Can you run me through why you think TJ is more likely an elim than Mat? It's important that we vote together and vote correctly, so we need to figure this out. Edited April 3, 2022 by Amanuensis
|TJ| he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 ;-; I am so confused. 9 hours ago, Amanuensis said: From my PoV, that was either an extremely blatant elim hammer attempt (both Mat and TJ are the last elims) This doesn't make sense with xino flipping village? Why would 2 elims hammer to save a villager? And you'd be considering yourself as village, so why would two elims hammer on a villager to protect over another villager? How have you gone from this - 11 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Meanwhile TUN has done nothing but dodge the filter by promising to post thoughts; I've yet to see anything town from TUN while Xino did Town things. to this? 23 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I am willing to believe you are Village, TUN, because I do suspect one of, if not both of, Mat and TJ are elims. If you can help me figure out which one is for certain (in a 3 elim world) and vote them out today, then this game is absolutely winnable. Aman, bro, it feels like you're wanting to win players over to your side and when you're trying to convince one player you suspect someone else, and when you want to convince the said suspect, you suspect some other player. 10 hours ago, Amanuensis said: @|TJ| if you're Village, why vote me with Mat, you who suspect for defending Bort + trying to derail the Bort yeet onto me C3? Why not vote TUN when he was in your PoE? No strong reasons to prefer you over TUN actually. Mainly, I didn't feel comfortable CC-ing in this stage of the game + TUN mentioned they were still catching up, so wanted to give them a chance to post some matter of substance. If you're asking why I voted along my suspect, it's because your death would have given me a very clear idea of his alignment. The reverse is also true i.e. his death would give a good idea of your alignment, but given how the response was to Mat elimination was in C3, I just realized it was futile. 10 hours ago, Amanuensis said: @|TJ| sorry I doubted you and everyone else that thought Araris was bussed D1. sigh, there was no one else, there was just me >> and now I'm confused again. why do I feel like e!you is trying to turn me and v!mat against each other -.- 9 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: 9 hours ago, JNV said: I dont think it can be both of them and honestly Im not ruling out the posibility that its just The Unknown Novel cause they were online last cycle but for now TJ I guess Excuse me if I massively misunderstood your first paragraph, but did you not just reason out that it doesn't make logical sense for an elim to shift the vote right there? +1 to this. @JNV, you go on to explain it wouldn't make sense for me to be an elim and then go ahead and vote for me anyway? 10 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Sure, they could have submitted the kill, but submitting the Thaid kill makes no sense from my PoV. 47 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Thaid's death suggests a deeper understanding of the game state than I think you would have being completely alone. Contradictory, Aman :/ 54 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: As for TJ, he's not voted a known elim once, and was happy to vote you, Xino, or myself yesterday; in the event you are Village, that's 3 different Villagers TJ wanted dead. You've slyly omitted Mat from my list, I see :P. Besides, do you have problem with my PoE? If I were to ask you to give a 4-member PoE last cycle, which 4 names would you have given me? I'm reaaaally don't wanna include JNV in the PoE, because that's just gonna give me headache. It's still between Aman, TUN and outside chance of Mat for me. If it's a three-member team, I predict the last member to be a Veteran, which fits well with Aman. TUN an outside chance for this because Kas likes to teach the village a lesson in distribution each game he manages, and if this game's lesson is 'don't be afraid to CC inactives', e!Veteran!TUN matches that. :P.
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) @|TJ| 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: ;-; I am so confused. Me too bro ;-; me too 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: This doesn't make sense with xino flipping village? Why would 2 elims hammer to save a villager? And you'd be considering yourself as village, so why would two elims hammer on a villager to protect over another villager? Okay. Assume that I am a Villager. Xino was doing nothing but voting you. I was putting in more effort to solve and advance the game. Whether the elim is just Mat, or the elims are both of you, removing me from the game is more beneficial to the elims win con than removing Xino. Furthermore, because I pseudo-claimed Veteran and elims cannot risk NKing me in case I am a Veteran, losing my extra life to votes over losing it to a NK means that it's a lot easier to argue that I'm an elim Veteran. However, if I was to be attacked and survive, I would be hard cleared Village. Therefore the only way to deal with a potential Veteran!me is to get me misvoted at least once then night kill me later, if not get me voted out the next day too. This was the entire point of me pseudo-claiming Veteran in the first place; to see if the elims were willing to call my bluff, or if they would try to get me voted out instead. The fact is, putting Xino/me in a 2/2 RNG works for the exact reason it's working right now. TUN is voting me, you are voting me, Mat was voting me earlier. All three of you cannot be an elim, which means at least one Villager is open to voting me out. Whoever the elim(s) is/are, it's clear to me they are keeping us divided and distracted by sowing the seeds of this Aman paranoia, and Mat in particular has doing this since C3 - the same turn he tried to stop Bort from getting yeeted, and also the same turn he said Xino and I were teammates - which I just cannot ignore anymore. His D1 vote of Araris is not enough, especially given the fact every other Araris voter is dead but him. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: How have you gone from this - 14 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Meanwhile TUN has done nothing but dodge the filter by promising to post thoughts; I've yet to see anything town from TUN while Xino did Town things. to this? 3 hours ago, Amanuensis said: I am willing to believe you are Village, TUN, because I do suspect one of, if not both of, Mat and TJ are elims. If you can help me figure out which one is for certain (in a 3 elim world) and vote them out today, then this game is absolutely winnable. This is how I got from quote #1 to quote #2: 11 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: Not a fan of Aman. I have a kinda wallpost that I don't remember half of I need to post. Not sure where other than that. Totally didn't think it was Xino, then proceed to look at the flips and question my sanity. Totally. 10 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said: I do not like posting when I haven't read everything (posting anything meaningful that is), so I read part of d1, but didn't do anything as I barely read anything. Well, I'm not the biggest fan of you and your insistence on e!me. Please don't. That would be mean. I've read everything now. That would no longer be mean. (But I'm vil, so it would be suboptimal) I liked this and the associated posts at first, as why would an un night killable elim draw attention to the night kill going on them when it's impossible? But this could be a weird play to seem villager as well. I had not caught up with the game at the time. As I previously mentioned, you're my top sus, followed by JNV, who I am indifferent towards. Everyone else has sligyt v credences in my eyes. Do you think I'm still a solo elim possibility, considering the kill actually happened? Also, do you still think I'm the most elimmy person? Edit: Aman @Kasimirimirimir, you hath been notified of the edited vote. The fact that TUN comes in saying "I'm not a fan of Aman," then says that he liked the fact I was playing mind games with the elims by claiming Veteran, then still ends up voting me for what seems to be just voting him suggests to me that he could be Village, and he's just as confused as I am. Elim!TUN has no reason to say he liked anything about me; he could just vote on me and say "he's voting me so he must be evil" and hope that whoever else votes me can get blamed for my death more than him. This tells me he may very well be a villager trying to solve my alignment. Furthermore, until now, TUN has not posted much of anything; meanwhile, Mat has repeatedly posted things that point to him being an elim. The fact you and him voted me yesterday combined with TUN's post today leaves me believing that at least one of you is an elim. Mat is currently my greatest suspect, and you are my second greatest. I am not currently sure if you are both elim or if you are a Villager being manipulated by him, however; in the chance the we live in the second reality, I have to try to convince you, because otherwise e!Mat gets what he wants. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: Aman, bro, it feels like you're wanting to win players over to your side and when you're trying to convince one player you suspect someone else, and when you want to convince the said suspect, you suspect some other player. This is because I cannot tell if the elim is just Mat, if the elims are Mat/You, or the elims are Mat/TUN. There is even a possibility that Mat is elims with Orlok, which you have previously expressed worries about, but that would mean that Orlok bussed Bort and went inactive, which I'm currently unwilling to believe. The only thing I can do is continue to prove I am Village with my effort and rally other Villagers to my side, since Mat/TUN/You cannot all possibly be elims together. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: No strong reasons to prefer you over TUN actually. Mainly, I didn't feel comfortable CC-ing in this stage of the game + TUN mentioned they were still catching up, so wanted to give them a chance to post some matter of substance. If you're asking why I voted along my suspect, it's because your death would have given me a very clear idea of his alignment. The reverse is also true i.e. his death would give a good idea of your alignment, but given how the response was to Mat elimination was in C3, I just realized it was futile. That's fair. I can believe you voting me as a Villager, but this only works if Mat is an elim, which I currently believe. If you're not on a team with Mat, then you should have no problem voting him today. It's no longer futile because there is a significantly greater amount of evidence to suggest that Mat did indeed bus Araris D1. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: sigh, there was no one else, there was just me >> and now I'm confused again. why do I feel like e!you is trying to turn me and v!mat against each other -.- At this point, I feel much better about you. I did v!read you earlier in the game for your paranoia tunneling, but I started to have doubts the longer you focused on the Araris!bus reality. I worried it was you trying and failing to get the Village to kill the Araris voters. I now realize that you were right about Mat from the start. It's either that, or you're playing me against v!mat and taunting me, but I honestly don't believe that is the kind of thing you would do + I don't feel like this indecision I'm sensing from your post is faked. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: 13 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Sure, they could have submitted the kill, but submitting the Thaid kill makes no sense from my PoV. 3 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Thaid's death suggests a deeper understanding of the game state than I think you would have being completely alone. Contradictory, Aman :/ These are not contradictory. If TUN was a solo elim, I do not believe he would kill Thaid. I believe he would either kill me for trying to vote him yesterday or he would kill Orlok for voting Bort. Whoever killed Thaid did so because it benefited them specifically; which again points to e!Mat. Mat could not kill me because he's been trying to get me voted out, Mat could not kill you because you almost helped him vote me out, and Mat could not kill JNV because he's now trying to push the E!JNV narrative. If I was an elim, I would have killed Mat before Stick. Stick trusted me in PMs from C3 and was actively working with me to figure out if Orlok was the elim or if Bort was the elim. In our PMs, we both decided that Bort was more likely and that we'd vote him before we voted Orlok, but we were testing to see if any of Bort's teammates would try to save Bort by voting Orlok. I was not on for EoD, however, so I could not change my vote. I also was not on for EoD yesterday. If I was an elim, I would do everything I could to be present for EoD. Seriously, please go back and look at C3. Stick had me as Village if Bort flipped Elim. Even Xino had me as Village and was willing to vote himself yesterday over voting me until Mat got him to remove his self-vote. If multiple dead Villagers read me as Village, why are we doubting me now? Why would elim!me kill the people that trusted me? Why would elim!me not kill the people that are paranoid of me? 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: You've slyly omitted Mat from my list, I see :P. Besides, do you have problem with my PoE? If I were to ask you to give a 4-member PoE last cycle, which 4 names would you have given me? It wasn't sly. I don't believe Mat is Village anymore. His push on me doesn't make sense from my PoV, and the evidence for him being an elim is too great to ignore anymore. If I had to give you 4 names, my PoE yesterday was <TUN, Xino, JNV, TJ>. But yesterday I was considering Mat cleared for voting Araris D1 and for our PMs. I also considered Orlok clear for leading the votes on Bort, although for a while I did worry he pulled a QF59 again by thunderdoming his partner. Today, my poe is <Mat, TUN, TJ> and right now I am most convinced of Mat. If JNV is the last or one of the elims, then I'm genuinely impressed, but they're the only player still alive that has consistently taken my side and helped me catch up after missing the first two cycles, so I have to believe that means they're village too. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: I'm reaaaally don't wanna include JNV in the PoE, because that's just gonna give me headache. It's still between Aman, TUN and outside chance of Mat for me. If it's a three-member team, I predict the last member to be a Veteran, which fits well with Aman. TUN an outside chance for this because Kas likes to teach the village a lesson in distribution each game he manages, and if this game's lesson is 'don't be afraid to CC inactives', e!Veteran!TUN matches that. :P. If you believe JNV is Village, then I'm asking you to trust their read of me. It's correct and there's only six of us left. Voting me out today means there will be four left tomorrow, and in a 2!elim world, that means parity and we lose. Edited April 3, 2022 by Amanuensis
|TJ| he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 Mmrghhhhh @Orlok Tsubodai, help pls ;-; I feel like Mat and Aman are both playing me like a fiddle >> and I really don't wanna be the guy that decides the game the wrong way >>
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Mmrghhhhh @Orlok Tsubodai, help pls ;-; I feel like Mat and Aman are both playing me like a fiddle >> and I really don't wanna be the guy that decides the game the wrong way >> Inb4 Mat is Village and E!Orlok ruthlessly bussed Bort C3 and we're just turning on each other from paranoia because nothing else makes sense XD ED1T: Gah, if I had any doubts about TJ earlier, they're gone now >> e!TJ wouldn't bother acting like this. He'd just join Mat/TUN in voting me and win the game - especially if they were partnered. I guess solo TJ would have incentive to fake this indecision but it feels real af so. New possible combinations! Mat TUN Mat/TUN Orlok Mat/Orlok TUN/Orlok I really don't feel like JNV can be an elim based on our interactions, but they also haven't voted a single elim so at this point I don't know what to believe and am increasingly worried I've been pocketed Orlok can only be an elim in a world where Mat, TUN, TJ, and JNV are all Village and he's been trying to bus Bort since C2 for whatever reason. I'm lost af and look forward to dying so I can know what the heck is going on ED2T: Man if it's not Mat and two villagers seriously nearly misyeeted me last minute I'm going to be so sad Edited April 3, 2022 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, |TJ| said: I really don't wanna be the guy that decides the game the wrong way >> This is how I've felt the entire cycle :P. Back to Aman. I'm restraining myself from replying to everything Aman's saying because that will be unhelpful, but 4 hours ago, Amanuensis said: the fact he's trying to get people to vote JNV Trying real hard, yes, with my one edited in vote. 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: His D1 vote of Araris is not enough, especially given the fact every other Araris voter is dead but him. I don't get how that's relevant. So what if the others are dead? Someone has to be last, and it's not an outlandish move for the elims to leave one alive to allow for paranoia. Or so they can push this point themselves. e!me does not vote Araris there under any circumstance. e!me pretends to be afk at the end of C1. I'll bus, but not last minute, not with the person being bussed afk, not the voter that gets them killed, 99% of the time. 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Mat has repeatedly posted things that point to him being an elim. LOL 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: If multiple dead Villagers read me as Village, why are we doubting me now? "Confirmed good does not equal confirmed right" That's like, a motto of SE. Doesn't equal confirmed wrong either, but you can't use that as a line of reasoning. You just can't. Edited April 3, 2022 by Matrim's Dice
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) Mat I literally cannot trust a single thing you say when you keep voting me 10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I don't get how that's relevant. So what if the others are dead? Someone has to be last, and it's not an outlandish move for the elims to leave one alive to allow for paranoia. Or so they can push this point themselves. What do you mean you don't get how that's relevant? If you're an elim you can't kill yourself, but you also have to kill the other players that were confirmed good by voting your teammate eventually. This is exactly what any busser would say "I'm alive for paranoia!" How am I supposed to believe that? 10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: e!me does not vote Araris there under any circumstance. e!me pretends to be afk at the end of C1. I'll bus, but not last minute, not with the person being bussed afk, not the voter that gets them killed, 99% of the time. This is exactly what a busser would say 10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: LOL Mate you defended Bort over Orlok on C3 and then didn't even vote Bort in the end 10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: "Confirmed good does not equal confirmed right" That's like, a motto of SE. Doesn't equal confirmed wrong either, but you can't use that as a line of reasoning. You just can't. I literally can because I'm village and it's super inconvenient that most the people who believed in me are dead and JNV is the only one left who trusts me ED1T: Honestly just vote me out, whoever the elim(s) are, GG. I've done everything I possibly could and I wash my hands clean of this game. If there's only 1 elim left then maybe there's still a chance y'all can win tomorrow but at this point it's clear that no one is going to listen to me Edited April 3, 2022 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Mat I literally cannot trust a single thing you say when you keep voting me Right back at you. I was loosening my paranoia until you started posting walls condemning me 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: What do you mean you don't get how that's relevant? If you're an elim you can't kill yourself, but you also have to kill the other players that were confirmed good by voting your teammate eventually. This is exactly what any busser would say "I'm alive for paranoia!" How am I supposed to believe that? I understand the concept, but there's two sides of the coin and for v!you who doesn't know, both should be equally likely. 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Mate you defended Bort over Orlok on C3 and then didn't even vote Bort in the end I'm aware of my C3 play, believe me :P. You keep bringing this up as a reason to vote me, but you never mentioned it before. I was high in your village reads until the start of this cycle.
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Right back at you. I was loosening my paranoia until you started posting walls condemning me I understand the concept, but there's two sides of the coin and for v!you who doesn't know, both should be equally likely. I'm aware of my C3 play, believe me :P. You keep bringing this up as a reason to vote me, but you never mentioned it before. I was high in your village reads until the start of this cycle. Maybe because you tried to get me voted out yesterday and are trying to get me voted out today Either you're a paranoid Villager or you're an elim securing victory and the fact you refuse to see reason leads me to believe the second I trust TJ infinitely more than I trust you right now because he's at least listening. All you're doing is pointing the finger back at me and that does not make you look Village from my PoV in the slightest (3) Amanuensis: The Unknown Novel, |TJ|, Matrim's Dice, (1) Matrim's Dice: Amanuensis, (1) |TJ|: JNV, @JNV I really don't think it's TJ. If you're an elim who pocketed me then well done, you deserve the victory for sitting back and letting us tear each other apart. Otherwise, I don't even know what to do anymore; vote as you please. @Orlok Tsubodai if you're a solo elim coasting off a Bort bus, then same as above. Well done. Hope your IRL stuff is going better and that you're okay. I'ma go sleep now and probably not post again. I don't know what more I can possibly say to change the outcome of this game. Edited April 3, 2022 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I trust TJ infinitely more than I trust you right now because he's at least listening. All you're doing is pointing the finger back at me and that does not make you look Village from my PoV in the slightest Explain to me how TJs post wasn’t pointing fingers at you and how it’s different enough from me to have you trust him ‘infinitely more’ because it sure looks like he quoted a bunch of reasons you’re elim to me
Kasimir he/him Posted April 3, 2022 Author Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, |TJ| said: Mmrghhhhh @Orlok Tsubodai, help pls ;-; MR56 C3 Kas approves. Summon Orlok! is an interesting tactic when Aman is concerned but it's my favourite! I just don't trust myself ;-; 5 hours ago, |TJ| said: TUN an outside chance for this because Kas likes to teach the village a lesson in distribution each game he manages, and if this game's lesson is 'don't be afraid to CC inactives', e!Veteran!TUN matches that. :P. Brooooooooooo Quote MR7 - Nothing spicy, players trolled me ;-; I stop GMing for years MR10 - Co-GMed, nothing spicy LG28 - Co-GMed, nothing spicy except for DA trying to NK El, his own teammate, for lulz, but that's more screwed up than spicy. QF40a, b - Nothing spicy, Striker trolled me by C1ing himself LG74 - This one, I'll own. I used an AG6 distro and Tyrian distros are always meant to troll players. MR51 - Played straight. QF54 - Played straight. The hell you smoking, my bro???? >:( Edited to add: You have slightly over twenty-three and a half hours left in this cycle! Edited April 3, 2022 by Kasimir
JNV Posted April 3, 2022 Posted April 3, 2022 Look Matrim was the one who initiated the Amanuensis vote in PMs soliciting TJ making the first move like that is not a great move as evil also going on to me earlier seemed kinda weird cause if Matrim is evil then they had the votes for you cause at least one of TJ The Unknown Novel is good and Orloks been gone they could have just left it at that and even if we consolidated there wouldnt be anything we could do then again they did come back to you so maybe but honestly an elim would want to seem less obstinant and more 'yes I am trying my best' and sure TJ seems listening seeming isnt enough and since youre good as long as they seem reasonable theyre just going to coast kill you kill Matrim either way TJ wins of course theyre coasting of course theyre being nice Matrim moved first Matrim was like 'oh I want Amanuensis dead' and TJ followed I said moving was bad as elim but following is viable cause if the original target dies then oh well try again and if the new target dies then oh the good persons reads arent trustworthy just follow my lead sorta thing following the villagers vote seems strategic it hits all my buttons ok it hits every single one does this make sense to you or am I crazy @|TJ| in the off chance that you are in fact not evil if I move to Matrim would you be willing to follow?
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