i’m in the details Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Does anyone have any theories or even just cool ideas on what the unit investiture will be measured with in the future of the cosmere? I’m thinking along the lines of: a breath has x ___’s of investiture on average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 One adon, multiple adona. For Adonalsium. Plus it sounds dramatic. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtide_Leviathan Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 it's possible it's a very practical unit, based on known quantities of investiture. "Breath" for example, or maybe based on the amount held by one of Roshar's gems. A "broam" of investiture or something. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Shade Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 This is actually something I've wanted to ask Brandon for a while, though I would word the question differently lol. "How many broams of stormlight is a single Breath?" I have literally wondered this for ages. But yeah, I feel like the scholars at Silverlight would have come up with a term, either inventing one such as the suggested Adon or using Breaths or Broams as a standard to judge others from. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 It's Breath, Breath is the unit of investiture. Spoiler Emerald101 I was wondering if there is a unit of Investiture, like maybe something Khriss uses. Brandon Sanderson Yes, but I haven't canonized it yet. Good question. I will eventually canonize it, because I think that people will want it, but I probably won't do so 'til [Mistborn] Era 3, because I want the scientific way of talking about the cosmere to mirror how developed the cultures are, but some of the scholars are beyond where everyone else is. It can be measured. There is a unit. Emerald101 Like, maybe grams of solid Investiture? Brandon Sanderson It will probably be an in-world unit of measurement. Right now, to talk about it online if you want, the unit is probably gonna be based around Breath, because a Breath is a distinct amount. Whereas in most of the settings, there's not a distinct amount. Like, how much Allomancy, things like that. How much can a gem hold. It really depends on how the gem is cut, and how long the gem has been out. So... the Breath is a really easy one, so it's become the unit. But there will probably be a fantasy term for it. I might just call it Breath. That's why I'm not canonized yet. But if you guys wanna talk about it in Breath terms, that's probably the easiest. Arcanum Unbounded release party (Nov. 22, 2016) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 All we need to do now is figure out the conversion relationships: 1 Breath = x Perfect Broams 1 Breath = y grams of Standard White Sand etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaladinWorldsinger Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 To borrow a term from a completely different franchise, the unit of investiture equal to one Breath could be called 1 'idea' of investiture. It's just a term I really like, but maybe it doesn't fit for investiture 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 hours ago, Wandering Shade said: This is actually something I've wanted to ask Brandon for a while, though I would word the question differently lol. "How many broams of stormlight is a single Breath?" Tbh I highly doubt Brandon actually has an answer to that one yet lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 hours ago, Wandering Shade said: "How many broams of stormlight is a single Breath?" Supposedly we're getting an official conversion rate thing at some point, but I also haven't heard anything about that in four years at this point, so who knows? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Invocation said: Supposedly we're getting an official conversion rate thing at some point, but I also haven't heard anything about that in four years at this point, so who knows? They've been kicking that can down the road and will do so for as long as they can, I think. So long as they havent worked it out adn published it, Brandon isnt actually bound by the (likely competing and hard to reconcile) maths for the various effects we've already seen on stage. As long as they havent released that, we the uber-nerds of the Cosmere cant start calling them on interplanetary Conservation issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Quantus said: They've been kicking that can down the road and will do so for as long as they can, I think. So long as they havent worked it out adn published it, Brandon isnt actually bound by the (likely competing and hard to reconcile) maths for the various effects we've already seen on stage. As long as they havent released that, we the uber-nerds of the Cosmere cant start calling them on interplanetary Conservation issues. Oh yeah, my thoughts exactly. If it's anywhere this side of Era 3 Mistborn (saying that doesn't work as well anymore since it isn't as far off as it used to be), I will be very surprised. I'm thinking it may be waiting on Arcanum Unbounded 2 somewhat as well, though, since it seems like it would fit in nicely there. 2 hours ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: To borrow a term from a completely different franchise, the unit of investiture equal to one Breath could be called 1 'idea' of investiture. This could work as a unit of Investiture for either Whimsy or Invention, depending on how their magics shuffle out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixthos Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) There already is a perfectly fine term for a unit of magical energy. It's called the thaum. (Seriously though, if that gets a little nod in the Cosmere I'd be rather happy.) Edited January 31, 2022 by Ixthos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Shade Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said: Tbh I highly doubt Brandon actually has an answer to that one yet lol Yeah same lol. But still, I can't wait until that's figured out. Now wait hold on we can actually do some conversions ourselves here, using everyone's favorite Shardblade... Nightblood. We've seen Nightblood used by both Szeth and Vasher, with Szeth holding spheres and Vasher holding Breaths. I'm going to go to the chapter in Oathbringer where Szeth draws Nightblood for the first time and the chapter at the end of Warbreaker where Vasher uses Nightblood and see if I can glean anything about that from there lol I'll be back to reply to this message in a few hours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Wandering Shade said: Yeah same lol. But still, I can't wait until that's figured out. Now wait hold on we can actually do some conversions ourselves here, using everyone's favorite Shardblade... Nightblood. We've seen Nightblood used by both Szeth and Vasher, with Szeth holding spheres and Vasher holding Breaths. I'm going to go to the chapter in Oathbringer where Szeth draws Nightblood for the first time and the chapter at the end of Warbreaker where Vasher uses Nightblood and see if I can glean anything about that from there lol I'll be back to reply to this message in a few hours I doubt it will have anything helpful in OB. If I recall correctly he said a big driver for the Opening of the Perpendicularity (aside from all the narrative culmination bits) was to justify situationally Unlimited Stormlight so that he wouldnt have to work out the math for all the different powers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Shade Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Quantus said: I doubt it will have anything helpful in OB. If I recall correctly he said a big driver for the Opening of the Perpendicularity (aside from all the narrative culmination bits) was to justify situationally Unlimited Stormlight so that he wouldnt have to work out the math for all the different powers. Which is fair, but also there's the scene in the Purelake where Szeth draws Nightblood to kill a dude. He had a bunch of spheres on him and I don't remember if its ever said how many, but it wasn't enough to sate Nightblood for even the few moments it was drawn, seeing as it damaged Szeth's arm in the process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Wandering Shade said: Which is fair, but also there's the scene in the Purelake where Szeth draws Nightblood to kill a dude. He had a bunch of spheres on him and I don't remember if its ever said how many, but it wasn't enough to sate Nightblood for even the few moments it was drawn, seeing as it damaged Szeth's arm in the process. I think that shows one of the issues that would come from using Breaths as the discrete unit of measure: they represent a relatively large quantity of Investiture compared to other storable forms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 22 hours ago, Quantus said: I think that shows one of the issues that would come from using Breaths as the discrete unit of measure: they represent a relatively large quantity of Investiture compared to other storable forms. milliBreaths microBreaths nanoBreaths I can do this all day. Or, at least, until I run out of prefixes. ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, AquaRegia said: milliBreaths microBreaths nanoBreaths I can do this all day. Or, at least, until I run out of prefixes. ;-) And so long as Breaths prove divisible and their uses scale appropriately to fit that, sure that might work. Still, we dont measure molecules by the Mile for a reason... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Quantus said: And so long as Breaths prove divisible and their uses scale appropriately to fit that, sure that might work. Still, we dont measure molecules by the Mile for a reason... Well you could find out how much fully charged Sand it's worth and then divide. Now we could also see a Imperial/Metric system type divide in the cosmere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Frustration said: Well you could find out how much fully charged Sand it's worth and then divide. Now we could also see a Imperial/Metric system type divide in the cosmere. I think sand is likely to be the most useful Metric and Measuring tool, at least on the low end of the scale given how it can be charged by simple proximity to kinetic Investiture even by "quiet" effects like Lightweaving. As long as grain size does not vary a whole lot, Charged White Sand by weight or volume would provide both a repeatable unit of measure and a convenient and obvious measurement tool. Breaths probably work better for the upper end of the scale. The measurement process (or at least the means of calibration) wouldnt be Breaths themselves so much as a Returned, since we can assume one week's worth of Investiture sustenance should be equivalent regardless of flavor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmulatonStromenkiin Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 11:32 AM, KaladinWorldsinger said: To borrow a term from a completely different franchise, the unit of investiture equal to one Breath could be called 1 'idea' of investiture. It's just a term I really like, but maybe it doesn't fit for investiture Maybe one intent of investiture? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaladinWorldsinger Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 hours ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said: Maybe one intent of investiture? Oooooh yes! That's good 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzik Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 An investiture particle should be an Investon, with charge measured in Khriss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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