Quick Fix 58: Rebellion

[JNV]

4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Point to me where I said Lightweaver Squire. 

Indirect implication of Illwei getting results of action when information is all public except that role. If you didn't mean it that way just say so please I dont feel like deciphering tone at the moment

Also Archer is being kind of weird again so I think deceive

[Mat he/him]

3 minutes ago, JNV said:

Indirect implication of Illwei getting results of action when information is all public except that role. If you didn't mean it that way just say so please I dont feel like deciphering tone at the moment

Also Archer is being kind of weird again so I think deceive

You're right, but that's what I find strange :P. I definitely wasn't softing LS on purpose, and didn't check the rules to see if there was another role I could have been talking about because I... just assumed there was. The immediate jump to the correct answer on your part seemed pretty quick but maybe it wasn't.

@Illwei did it work? :P. Put in your reply  if the target was village and  if the target was elim (though I'm assuming it was the former). Just so we can be on the same page about that at least. Or reveal who it was if you want ig.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Quivil]

23 minutes ago, JNV said:

 Does the messenger dying end the game? Do any of the ghostblood wincons end the game?

The game does not end until there are no more wincons that can be met. (or until you all give up on it and say you want it to be done.)

[Experience he/him]

@Tani can you be decieved? Please say yes xD.

[Quivil]

Just now, Experience said:

can you be decieved? Please say yes xD.

Yes, but it wouldn't do anything to me.

It'd be similar to trying to exile me.

[Experience he/him]

Just now, Tani said:

Yes, but it wouldn't do anything to me.

It'd be similar to trying to exile me.

Oh c'mon. If you just let it happen, then you would be forced to decieve or just not post, and that doesn't work as GM. Then you could be the troll you always wanted to be :P.

[Quivil]

1 minute ago, Experience said:

Oh c'mon. If you just let it happen, then you would be forced to decieve or just not post, and that doesn't work as GM. Then you could be the troll you always wanted to be :P.

But I am being a troll. I'm being a big nasty troll (aka mom) who stomps on your dream of me being deceived effectively.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Tani

[Archer he/him]

Tani can't be the one who is deceived, that's obviously me. Weren't you listening to JNV? :P. I'm just going to abuse the Szeth loophole if y'all insist on saying I'm being deceivey. 

Based on how long they've been lurking, I'd say Karnatheon is either working on a very long post, or they've been Silenced. Might want to look there instead. 

[Karnatheon he/him]

49 minutes ago, Archer said:

TJ Karnatheon

Wassat about? Also not a long post really, just went and ate dinner and stuff.

Also I'm not sure when it got added or edited in but TUA was an Assassin not the Shardbearer so something else definitely caused the kill to not happen. Either inactive Shardbearer or Bad Spheres or protection, or something.

@Tani We don't have to Redact right? Just post a new vote?

VC:

Szeth(2): Striker, Illwei

TJ(1): Dannnex

Dannnex(1): Szeth

Karnatheon(1): Archer

 

[JNV]

1 hour ago, Tani said:

The game does not end until there are no more wincons that can be met. (or until you all give up on it and say you want it to be done.)

Does that mean if the loyalists or rogues kill the other faction the game will go on until the ghostbloods alive win or lose? Also Szeth cause they are suspicious and killing them doesnt really hurt us

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Tani can't be the one who is deceived, that's obviously me. Weren't you listening to JNV? :P. I'm just going to abuse the Szeth loophole if y'all insist on saying I'm being deceivey. 

Cool. Mind explaining the Karnatheon vote then?

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

You're right, but that's what I find strange :P. I definitely wasn't softing LS on purpose, and didn't check the rules to see if there was another role I could have been talking about because I... just assumed there was. The immediate jump to the correct answer on your part seemed pretty quick but maybe it wasn't.

Maybe I'm just clever! Or maybe it was a little obvious. Pick the one that makes you feel better. To be fair, I did reread the thread a lot so there was a bit of a delayed reaction and time to think

Edited to say that this is probably my last post of the night and I probably wont be able to get on before the cycle ends because school so I'll see you on the other side I guess

Edited January 28, 2022 by JNV

[Mat he/him]

Here we go, reread and solve attempt!

Here's the player list:

• Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex

Removing myself and TUA as the alignments that I know. TUA's dead and I'm a Truthless :P.

• Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex

I'm tentatively roleclearing Exp, Archer, and TJ for their claims, and I'm pretty ok with that for other reasons as well. Exp and TJ both had late votes on TUA and even though it looks like TJ tried to switch I think his explanation makes more sense than e!TJ trying to save TUA. e!TJ wouldn't have voted TUA in the first place, there was no reason to. I can see Archer pulling a fake Truthless seeing as he faked Alliance during his last elim game, but the situation is different here and I think the claim probably is just village. Truthless is pretty confirmable.

• Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex

Funnily enough that's just the first 5 names in the PoE  Next is Illwei and JNV. Basically I'd like to make the case that the only way they're elim is if they're e/e; this stance coming from JNV immediately knowing I rolled LWS last turn. Illwei's the only other player who would have known that. However, I do think it's possible that JNV worked that out on their own, from what I've seen of them they have a good handle on what the rules are and have been putting a decent amount of effort into understanding the game. Illwei started the TUA train, which upon rereading just was completely unnecessary in every way. TUA had zero votes and only the briefest suspicion from me. If JNV or Illwei flip red I'll probably look at the other, but I don't really think that'll happen on either front.

• Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex

Leaving me with a great PoE of 5 players. Unfortunately I can't read into the reactions to TUA's exeing any more than I already have since the only reactions were to vote him, but that's fine  I'll go ahead and put Striker and Szeth as not e/e, a bus from Striker in this way would be bizarre. Szeth to me is walking the line between TWTBAW and just elim; continuously pinging Tani and getting no response is weird and I really don't like their reaction to the lack of kill paired with their inactivity the cycle before. e!Striker is definitely the elim slot I find last in this case, there's more than enough room to doubt my gut as it told me his posts spiraled down as the cycle went on and I'd like Szeth's flip before I decide more.

Jungle and Karn are both people I could see not submitting a kill, more Jungle than Karn though. I don't have much of a read on any of them, last cycle I was fine with Karn mainly because they were somehow flying under my radar in a 4 page QF D1 and I didn't like it  And that's continued. Dannnex... is probably just village but I think he's had some interactions with Szeth/Striker (or at least they've quoted/voted him, or something like that) which could potentially be useful later on.

I'm feeling pretty good about my pool of five, if I had to order it I'd do Szeth, Jungle, Karn, Striker, Dannnex. That should win the game unless there's something crazy, we'll see I guess  EDIT: I will add that the order of this list would obviously change based on what e!Szeth's role is. A Highprince flip still implies an inactive Shardbearer (I guess it wouldn't change in that case. Beyond moving Striker to the back, but that happens with any e!Szeth flip) and a Shardbearer flip wouldn't discount Jungle/Karn, but there wouldn't be a reason for them to be above Dannnex. v!Szeth would probably just move Striker up for me.

Oh- I had unvoted Szeth previously because I found their switch to voting Dannnex as villagery, but when I reread that section I didn't get that vibe. No problem going there now.

(Ninja'd by JNV, making me nervous about my vote. Happens every time I swear xD)

EDIT2: I am aware that Ghostbloods exist, probably 2-4 of them, and I'm also ignoring them. As Archer's pointed out they do better if they work with us and since they're not in a doc their actions shouldn't be wildly different from villagers.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Experience he/him]

1 hour ago, Karnatheon said:

just went and ate dinner and stuff.

Like...talking in a doc? :P.

 

I have no idea who to vote on lol. I might read the c1 thread later. Might not tho lol.

[Illwei]

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

@Illwei did it work? :P. Put in your reply  if the target was village and  if the target was elim (though I'm assuming it was the former). Just so we can be on the same page about that at least. Or reveal who it was if you want ig.

Wow Mat that's an amazing way of getting around people thinking I know archer's alignment....

Anyways 

Archer/Mat/TJ/fiend/exp

This is the town, welcome to the towncore 

Which includes me

[Experience he/him]

10 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Wow Mat that's an amazing way of getting around people thinking I know archer's alignment....

Anyways 

Archer/Mat/TJ/fiend/exp

This is the town, welcome to the towncore 

Which includes me

I so wish we could have pms lol

[Illwei]

18 minutes ago, Experience said:

I so wish we could have pms lol

The thread is our PM exp

[|TJ| he/him]

This is totally a gut read but I felt Striker was a bit worried when my action would indicate his role went to JNV.

Good - Experience (TUA vote), Illwei (Same), Mat (roleclaim + firm action claim + an elim would hesitate to claim to be the THIRD person of a same role), Arch (weakest here, feeling something off because Arch is always obv village to me + SECOND claim of the same role more suspicious than THIRD + vague action claim)

Danex is probably a Ghostblood here - doesn't want to put his swords and chainsaws away and solve the game

I'm probably worried that Szeth is a Messenger? Which is why I don't want to be on their train lmao. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by |TJ|

[Experience he/him]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

The thread is our PM exp

sad. ack i can't get rid of this underline xD

2 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I'm probably worried that Szeth is a Messenger? Which is why I don't want to be on their train lmao. 

At this point it's not worth not lynching them if you think they are elim, even if they are messenger because that's what an elim would do.

[|TJ| he/him]

3 minutes ago, Experience said:

At this point it's not worth not lynching them if you think they are elim, even if they are messenger because that's what an elim would do.

You know what, that's fair enough. Also, I was thinking if they were a Messenger then they'd have acted suspicious on C1 too. Szeth

Heh, I'm voting for myself xD And so is Mat

[StrikerEZ he/him]

19 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

This is totally a gut read but I felt Striker was a bit worried when my action would indicate his role went to JNV.

Can I not be upset that my role got stolen? I liked it. I’d already bonded to it.

[|TJ| he/him]

Just now, StrikerEZ said:

Can I not be upset that my role got stolen? I liked it. I’d already bonded to it.

I - I'm sorry xD I didn't know you wouldn't get to know your new role and thought it could be used as an alignment scanner

Besides, your role didn't get stolen smh it just got exchanged, maybe you have a better one now

[StrikerEZ he/him]

5 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I - I'm sorry xD I didn't know you wouldn't get to know your new role and thought it could be used as an alignment scanner

Besides, your role didn't get stolen smh it just got exchanged, maybe you have a better one now

It’s okay. I guess I’ll maybe figure out if my role was actually swapped or what my new role is this cycle. And what if I really liked my old one?

[|TJ| he/him]

Just now, StrikerEZ said:

It’s okay. I guess I’ll maybe figure out if my role was actually swapped or what my new role is this cycle. And what if I really liked my old one?

If I roll Lightweaver again... I'll swap it back?  Or hey, you could ask Mat or Archer to do that xD

[Experience he/him]

5 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

It’s okay. I guess I’ll maybe figure out if my role was actually swapped or what my new role is this cycle. And what if I really liked my old one?

Imagine if your first roll was vanilla 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

31 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

If I roll Lightweaver again... I'll swap it back?  Or hey, you could ask Mat or Archer to do that xD

@Matrim's Dice @Archer If either of you are currently a Lightweaver, wanna swap me back?

Or anyone who happens to currently be a Lightweaver? I would not be surprised if there are a bunch of Truthless out there.

28 minutes ago, Experience said:

Imagine if your first roll was vanilla 

That would be the ultimate troll, wouldn't it. Sounds like something Kas would do. He'd be so upset about gaining a role.

[JungleFiend she/her]

2 hours ago, Experience said:

I have no idea who to vote on lol. I might read the c1 thread later. Might not tho lol.

Yo, same.

Edit: I've got to go to bed now. I think I'll just wait on voting until things become clearer. Gn!

Edited January 28, 2022 by JungleFiend