Mat he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Szeth_Pancakes said: Wait, what? Skybreaker? ehhhhhh I switched Dannnex’s and Jungle’s roles on C3 to get rid of the kill
Quivil Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 And then you all went and killed an innocent!
Mat he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Some thoughts- I thought it was fun! Chaotic for sure I will say that it was a bit too easy to mech-clear half the thread, because of how roles are set and how easy it was to prove them. That narrowed the PoE quick and it became point-and-shoot with the few we had left. A lot of the roles were really OP (like me being able to switch away the elim kill, or Striker literally losing the ability to win) and two Edgedancers is... a lot but I guess they never did anything anyway? Since TUA had the Bad Spheres? Idk. Making this game not role-madness and limiting the roles that are put in makes it less chaotic but also fixes both of these problems for the most part. Less OP roles = Less opportunities for OP roles to be used and if there are both vanilla elims and vanilla villagers making up the majority of the player list you can't mass-roleclaim. @Karnatheon you played fantastically, and your help was appreciated. Nice job! @StrikerEZ, sorry you died early. @Illwei and @JNV, it's unfortunate you saw the player list, but at least it wasn't C1, right? :P. Hope you stick around, JNV! I remember seeing in the dead doc someone saying something about not being able to say why Illwei was pulled/something like that because it would hardclear them- I don't think it would, since the elims don't know who the Ghostbloods are, and the Ghostbloods don't know who anyone is, and there's roles, so any alignment has equal grounds for being pulled out for seeing the player list. And to whoever commented on Exp's 30pg rule doc LG- iirc most of those are roles that won't be used, so I wouldn't worry too much about it 18 minutes ago, Dannnex said: hey i won smh if you're not planning on playing the game don't sign up :P. 1
Archer he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 DANGIT. I was self protecting most of the game but I thought I'd be smart and protect Mat at the end... did I lose the spheres, Tani? If I'm reading this right, Karn didn't actually choose to kill me, RNG just favored us. Which I think is really fitting. :D. The Truthless got good roles, the NK hit a Ghostblood, the boss elim was made my Betrothed- all this before Illwei decided to be a game breaker. I think this game looked less balanced than it was. Normally we can't clear half the players based on their votes within the first two cycles. This was less a case of the elims lost and more a case of the village won. The Deception role was fun, but hard to play. I can write bad analysis, but if someone had really put me on the spot with some direct counter arguments, I think I would have struggled to maintain anything believable. Based on how many mistakes I made interpreting the rules before I was Deceived, the elims might have been better off leaving me as I was. The Windrunner role seemed fine. I liked how the interaction with the Betrothal condition incentivized me to consider not protecting someone every round because the math became potentially two villagers for the price of one elim. It was mostly just the similar pairing of e!Devo-v!Steel in a recent game that made me guess the matchup wouldn't be v/v. Even if it was RNG. Thanks for playing, @JNVand @JungleFiend! I got the sense that the game pace made for a steep learning curve, but I think you both played admirably under the circumstances. I look forward to seeing you around in future games. Thanks for running this, Devo and Tani. Sorry we speed ran a rulesset that looks like it took a while to create. 1
Experience he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: And to whoever commented on Exp's 30pg rule doc LG- iirc most of those are roles that won't be used, so I wouldn't worry too much about it Umm I wouldn't be so sure xD Thanks @Tani for running this game, it was fun and crazy. Still wish I had decided to break it lol. Ig that means I still get my brownie. Edited January 31, 2022 by Experience 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 @|TJ| It’s okay that you stole my role. I thought it was really funny that I got one swap in, lost any chance of winning, decided I would play as if I was a villager, and then got shot by the elims.
Quivil Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Archer said: DANGIT. I was self protecting most of the game but I thought I'd be smart and protect Mat at the end... did I lose the spheres, Tani? Yep. And @|TJ| sri I messed up and Mat's good an stuff. (for some reason I thought the jailing went through but no there was an exile. Sad.) Quote If I'm reading this right, Karn didn't actually choose to kill me Karn chose to kill you. Edited January 31, 2022 by Tani
Karnatheon he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 @Matrim's Dice Thanks I kept going back and forth with myself over how to react to stuff in a way that was suspicious enough to warrant a vote but not enough for people to guess my role. And again I legitimately forgot Seth was dead when I voted for them so glad it worked out. Archer's guess I was a Ghostblood at the beginning of I think C3 based off the fact I hadn't voted yet is what pushed me to vote for someone, glad I messed that up though. @Archer I did end up targeting you since everyone seemed to want me to though I was debating if I should target one of the others instead since they never even reacted to my Will at all. @Tani Thanks for running the game, and again don't feel bad about the role I got, I liked having to get myself killed more than having to try to figure out who was guilty. And I won so @StrikerEZ Sorry you didn't get to win, my fellow Ghostblood. 1
|TJ| he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: @|TJ| It’s okay that you stole my role. I thought it was really funny that I got one swap in, lost any chance of winning, decided I would play as if I was a villager, and then got shot by the elims. It was really funny xD but then it felt bad about your wincon. of course had I known you were Ghostblood Lightweaver, I wouldn't have targetted you. Glad you found it funny as well Ahhh this game was like the quickest QFs haha, loved all the actions flying around even if it didn't seem so balanced and it was a feel-good game. A nice chance to stat-pad my win percentage as well Thanks for running it, Tani! 1
Quivil Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 I think before I run these rules again I'm going to get my sisters' help.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said: I thought it was fun! Chaotic for sure I will say that it was a bit too easy to mech-clear half the thread, because of how roles are set and how easy it was to prove them. That narrowed the PoE quick and it became point-and-shoot with the few we had left. A lot of the roles were really OP (like me being able to switch away the elim kill, or Striker literally losing the ability to win) and two Edgedancers is... a lot but I guess they never did anything anyway? Since TUA had the Bad Spheres? Idk. Making this game not role-madness and limiting the roles that are put in makes it less chaotic but also fixes both of these problems for the most part. Less OP roles = Less opportunities for OP roles to be used and if there are both vanilla elims and vanilla villagers making up the majority of the player list you can't mass-roleclaim. If two of the elims hadn't died in the first two cycles, they could have coordinated to fake roles long enough to get the win. It's hard to prove someone's not an edgedancer or a windrunner, skybreaker is tedious to prove, fake truthless claims can get away with it for a couple cycles, willshaper is possible with an accomplice, and those were the roles in play for the village. There weren't supposed to be any village alignment scanners or role switchers but then RNG demanded that they be present. Striker could have still won if he didn't immediately get shot and JNV was kind enough to switch the roles back. The Shardbearer being tied to the person who dies if they block the elim kill was unfortunate for the elims, even though Archer's role got switched C1 (and then we forgot to tell him and Jungle about it). 1
JungleFiend she/her Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 I had absolutely no idea what I was doing for most of the game (sorry about that). But hey, I had fun, and I hope that everyone else did as well! 1
Mat he/him Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: If two of the elims hadn't died in the first two cycles, they could have coordinated to fake roles long enough to get the win. It's hard to prove someone's not an edgedancer or a windrunner, skybreaker is tedious to prove, fake truthless claims can get away with it for a couple cycles, willshaper is possible with an accomplice, and those were the roles in play for the village. There weren't supposed to be any village alignment scanners or role switchers but then RNG demanded that they be present. Striker could have still won if he didn't immediately get shot and JNV was kind enough to switch the roles back. The Shardbearer being tied to the person who dies if they block the elim kill was unfortunate for the elims, even though Archer's role got switched C1 (and then we forgot to tell him and Jungle about it). That’s true. I think Archer’s right in that it looked less balanced than it was, a lot of things panned out in very specific ways. Two coordinating elims can pretty much fake anything, even if it does tie them together. I’d be interested to see a rerun for sure, though I still think sprinkling in some vanillas would be a nice addition. But I’m all for the not in the name of chaos if that’s the spirit of the ruleset
JNV Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 This was a lot of fun! There were a few hiccups, but overall it was a great game. I feel kind of bad for Striker for losing his role like that and maybe there should be something to preven tthat and also making the kill a role for no reason seemed a bit weird but the game seemed like it could ahve been very even if we hadn't gotten lucky. Also te jailer seemed kind of useless cause I don't see why there wouldn't be a vote so... Thanks @Karnatheon for killing Archer and @Archer for great analysis and a bunch of peope I'm forgetting for doing good things and @Tani for GMing the game! It was great. I really enjoyed playing and I think I'll stick around! 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Karnatheon said: @StrikerEZ Sorry you didn't get to win, my fellow Ghostblood. It’s okay! It was entertaining to see you achieve your wincon 6 hours ago, |TJ| said: It was really funny xD but then it felt bad about your wincon. of course had I known you were Ghostblood Lightweaver, I wouldn't have targetted you. Glad you found it funny as well I might’ve been a little annoyed at first, but I quickly got very amused. Especially once I died. 4 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: That’s true. I think Archer’s right in that it looked less balanced than it was, a lot of things panned out in very specific ways. Two coordinating elims can pretty much fake anything, even if it does tie them together. I’d be interested to see a rerun for sure, though I still think sprinkling in some vanillas would be a nice addition. But I’m all for the not in the name of chaos if that’s the spirit of the ruleset I do think this game was pretty fun. Could’ve served with like twice as many players and some vanillas, though. I did have fun plotting how to win while I still had my role to do so. This was the first time I was a solo neutral role. Unless you count LG62, where I was part of a noble house, but I wanted to kill the other people in my house and could coordinate with other people however I wanted to make it happen. EDIT: @JNV Don’t feel bad! It wasn’t your fault that I lost my role. Also, I hope you stick around! You seemed to have a knack for analyzing things when I was alive and paying attention to the thread. I’ll be posting the signups for the next LG in the next couple days or so, though signups will probably be a bit longer than a week so that I can be sane and run the game after all the big stuff is done. Edited February 1, 2022 by StrikerEZ
Quivil Posted February 1, 2022 Author Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) The Jailer works great with habits that don't exist here. If I use the Jailer again, I'll either make it so it can only execute if there's no lynch but it can jail no matter what, or I'll make it so there's no lynch no matter what. Or I'll run a game where everyone is a Jailer and the Elim Jailers have an extra execution. Because Chaos. Or I'd start with a N0. Once I was elim and I was found and killed because the Jailer jailed me for three nights and there were no kills. Once I was elim and I used that ^ knowledge to get the Jailer to kill someone else, wasting their execution. Example from this game that might matter to @Archer: Mat was almost Jailed. If there had been no exile, Mat would've been jailed and Archer would've kept the Bad Spheres. Edited February 1, 2022 by Tani
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 Giving the Jailor a doc with their target could also help. My original place, ToS, had something similar.
Quivil Posted February 1, 2022 Author Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) On 1/31/2022 at 8:20 PM, The Unknown Aon said: Giving the Jailor a doc with their target could also help. My original place, ToS, had something similar. Except that that adds another easily provable role. What's ToS? And does it call Jailor Jailor? Edit: Is it Town of Salem? Shardbearer is Godfather. Assassin is Mafisito. Windrunner is Bodyguard. Most of the others should match up somewhere. My family's made up a few. How does it to Bus Driver to not break the game? Edited April 15, 2022 by Tani
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 It does. ToS is easily provable in that regard. It's an app/computer social deception game called Town of Salem. Yes. It's the same as yours, except it allows communication between the Jailor and Jailee, and it works regardless of the exe.
Experience he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 Oh I haven't thought about ToS in a longgggg time.
Quivil Posted February 1, 2022 Author Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) Well, I think my older brother once played ToS because he told us about all those fun roles. This game was supposed to be kind of based on the bits he told us and the adaptations we made for in-person play. So. Those of you who have actually played ToS, are you willing to help me to get the roles accurately and succinctly described? Edited February 1, 2022 by Tani
Illwei Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 If you wanna go back to ToS roots then there's starcraft 2 mafia which ToS was based on
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 I'll send you a PM with a link to a list and clarify any questions you might have.
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