Long Game 82: Secrets Written in Metal

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

*sigh*

Edit: yeah that's cool mat

Edited December 12, 2021 by Ookla the Confused

[Kasimir he/him]

I'm fine with it, Mat. 

This situation does make me feel a bit better as I was evaluating whether it was better to go for Mage over Araris in the final analysis. I especially distrusted how it felt like we were being directed to Mage. But the sacred coin said Araris and with Szeth in full force paranoia mode (deservedly, as I badly misread Sart and haven't been able to focus on this game), I didn't know if I could get him to join me on Mage. Now I feel better as it wasn't practicable but also wasn't as wise to hit Mage. Or at least, Mage isn't the clear cut better lynch target as he would have been in a two Thug scenario.

@Ookla the Porched — Ironic indeed. Keeping your bussing rep intact?

Edited December 12, 2021 by Kasimir

[Araris Valerian he/him]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

@Ookla the Porched — Ironic indeed. Keeping your bussing rep intact? 

Yeah. Can’t have people trusting me now, can we?

 

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

This situation does make me feel a bit better as I was evaluating whether it was better to go for Mage over Araris in the final analysis. I especially distrusted how it felt like we were being directed to Mage.

I was trying to direct you onto Mage (after the initial play to go after Szeth), because there was no way Szeth would vote for anyone but me. So your instincts were right, but the Gods of Luck and Chance were with me .

[Kasimir he/him]

Heads-up that I have changed my profile picture to best boy Wormmon. My user title, my username, and my sig all remain the same, and I don't think we have a lynch tomorrow unless Team Evil does something exceedingly weird so I don't foresee this being a substantive problem.

12 hours ago, Ookla the Porched said:

Yeah. Can’t have people trusting me now, can we?

Think this means you've overtaken Alv now.

12 hours ago, Ookla the Porched said:

I was trying to direct you onto Mage (after the initial play to go after Szeth), because there was no way Szeth would vote for anyone but me. So your instincts were right, but the Gods of Luck and Chance were with me .

I admit I had read Szeth's vote as being more flexible than you did, but I really wasn't paying very much attention to this game. RNGesus wasn't with me until I flipped the sacred coin to decide whether to go for you or to see if I could make an all out push on Mage and try to talk Szeth into it.

That Shardblade you gave up to Alv seems to have been worth it  

[Mat he/him]

Turn's over! But is the game...?

Spoiler

(Yes)

 

[Mat he/him]

LG82: Aftermath: Party at Penrod's

Lord Hadrian Penrod still stared at the men across from him, though he was much more comfortable now that his men were in the room. "Well?" he said, asking again to continue a civil discussion.

Szeth spit to the side. "I can't believe the Lord of House Penrod is a Feruchemist. You disgust me."

Hadrian shrugged. "I am what I am. This conflict, I think, is petty. But you silly Allomancers made it necessary. And now I have won."

Mage stood. "We have won." He clarified.

Suddenly, Szeth lashed out, a knife suddenly appearing in his hand- it must have come from his boot- aiming for Mage's heart. Just as quick, Mage was a blur, speeding to the other side of the room. Szeth growled. Tapping steel was certainly a combative advantage.

Hadrian nodded to his men, and they surrounded Szeth and carried him away. House Penrod and its host of Feruchemist allies wouldn't have to deal with his like anymore.

That left only Kiril. The man had stayed silent during all of this. Smart. Hadrian extended a hand. "House Penrod is open to accept any who are willing to come. The invitation I made before any of this began still stands. The killing can stop."

Kiril, for a moment, looked defiant. But he accepted the hand and Hadrian pulled him to his feet. "I will come. All this excitement has made me hungry."

Hadrian smiled, and now that he could, rolled up his sleeves to show off his bands. "I knew I liked you."

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Szeth_Pancakes was killed! He was an Allomancer!

The game is over! The Feruchemists and the bearer of the Lord Ruler's Mark have won! Congratulations to @Ookla the Porched (Araris Valerian), @Mage, @ookla the lowercase (Sart), and @Kasimir!

Game thoughts from me will likely come tomorrow, but overall I was happy with how the game turned out. Thanks to everyone for playing and staying active! I was unsure when I realized D1 that I didn't have an inactivity filter or pinch hitters, but you guys made the game work anyway, which is how I think it should be.

Docs:

• Full Rules
• Master Spreadsheet
• Dead/Spec Doc
• Elim Doc

Player List:

Spoiler

1. @Ookla the Porched (Araris Valerian) - Spinner Feruchemist - Lord Hadrian Penrod
2. @Ooklil' the Wei (Illwei) - Thug Allomancer
3. @Ookla of Anarchy and Chaos (Tani) - Thug Allomancer - Reva
4. @ookla the quantificational (Danex) - Thug Allomancer
5. @Ookla the Confused (Szeth_Pancakes) - Thug Allomancer
6. @Mage - Spinner Feruchemist
7. @ookla the lowercase (Sart) - Spinner Feruchemist
8. @Ookla the Paranormal (Archer) - Thug Allomancer - Brawnze
9. @Kasimir - Thug Allomancer - Kiril Jerzy - The Lord Ruler's Mark

 

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Oh my storms. I knew this was how it would end, but...

I did call the Kas/Araris/Sart team, and the all village thugs.

Pretty good, I have to say. Especially since it's like my 7th or 8th game or sumn

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Confused said:

I did call the Kas/Araris/Sart team, and the all village thugs.

(Not to burst your bubble, but the elims were Araris/Sart/Mage)

I’m thinking that might be what you meant though

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Just now, Ookla the Pianist said:

(Not to burst your bubble, but the elims were Araris/Sart/Mage)

I’m thinking that might be what you meant though

Oh I thought Mage was the one with the LR item

but yeah i did call that team too

[Kasimir he/him]

42 minutes ago, Ookla the Confused said:

I did call the Kas/Araris/Sart team, and the all village thugs.

Bro I was Village and remained Village, you were paranoiding on me relentlessly in the last Day. I get why since my voting patterns sucked this game, but man.........

40 minutes ago, Ookla the Pianist said:

(Not to burst your bubble, but the elims were Araris/Sart/Mage)

Still amused my 'gut I can't prove this' team turned out to be right, considering my past self used to hate dealing with gut in SE.

Edited to add:

Thanks Mat for GMing. Had some fun even though I was really too stressed and pressed for time to do much analysis or actual thinking/tracking in this game like I should have. I was really just looking at thread between studying for my exams and trying to think was basically trying to make thoughts go cleanly in the sleep-deprivation-and-caffeine-fog but I didn't want to go inactive if I could possibly help it. And thanks for Archer's Mark, Elim team

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Kas/Araris/Archer are the people who would kill me N1 imo.

I actually wouldn't and the fact that I wouldn't is why I didn't find this a convincing line of reasoning. I also ignored your NKA because I haven't been playing recently and don't have enough familiarity with the playerbase anymore beyond "x would threatkill, x would low info kill."

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I’ve trained Kas to think of me as a villager whenever I needlessly tunnel, so it’s a good strat. To be fair, v!me has needless tunneled a lot, so there’s a reason he thinks that way, but now, it’s a strat that might totally work.

To be honest, no. It worked for Vulture but you're in the category of players I'm always going to be somewhat paranoid of, because I think you play too much with player meta to be trusted simpliciter. See: last minute Vulture tunnel with Mat screaming at me we needed to secure the lynch.

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“Y’know what? Elim!Kas would not spend this much time on analysis if he had schoolwork to do”  bad take Szeth, Kas is dedicated to SE, not sleep or school or work…

Oh come on I just get carried away by puzzle-solving. And you lot need to stop listening to Wyrm's lies I just hate sleep >>

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I mean, technically none of us knows what Elim!Kas would do. Maybe Araris does.

Even I don't know what Evil!Kas would do, let alone Araris..........

Edited to add #2:

@Ookla the Pianist I think I wasn't substantively wedded to the idea of Thugs but that the Elim team needed some survivability. I would have blinked and been very surprised if they had absolutely nothing with the number of one-shot kills flying around, but I'm influenced by Hael's Canim game where everyone had a kill and went in guns firing on D1.

The fact they are all Spinners makes sense to me as a way to strike that balance. I didn't work out it's % based, basically. I did feel the kills might have been a Seek but it didn't make sense to me because the jig would've been up sooner or later. The % twist makes sense as a way to throw a wrench into that.

Edited to add #3:

Thanks @Elandera for the save  

@ookla the quantificational  - I watched and played Digimon S1 as a kid but didn't get into further seasons, partly because I didn't watch that much TV as a kid, and partly because access to cartoons here can be pretty irregular. Recently Wyrm has been dragging me through a Digimon game and the Wormmon there was pretty cool so I got back into S2 for more Wormmon content (despite that being a different Wormmon) and then they hurt my boy ;-;

Edited December 13, 2021 by Kasimir

[Archer he/him]

46 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

To be honest, no. It worked for Vulture but you're in the category of players I'm always going to be somewhat paranoid of, because I think you play too much with player meta to be trusted simpliciter. See: last minute Vulture tunnel with Mat screaming at me we needed to secure the lynch.

Good! XD. It's smart to always be suspicious, just make sure to get some rest sometime between parsing every possible outcome. 

I can't help but feel like Mat really wanted me to win. 3 of 4 distros had me as an elim, then I ended up with a kill, an extra life, and a win just for surviving. Naturally, I died very quickly :P. Thanks for trying Mat. It was a fun game. And shoutout to the elims for winning despite everything we had in our arsenal. Especially you, Mage! Congrats on your first elim win. 

Araris, your risk tolerance is insane by the way. Telling coinshots to shoot inactives and regularly bussing your teammates.... The whole time my gut was pointing to you being evil, but you had enough comments and votes that were so incredibly dangerous for an elim to make that I couldn't bring myself to pursue it all the way. That's on me for underestimating you. 

GG, all. And thanks for IMing, Elandera. 

[Quivil]

this game were FUN!

[Araris Valerian he/him]

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Paranormal said:

Araris, your risk tolerance is insane by the way. Telling coinshots to shoot inactives and regularly bussing your teammates.... The whole time my gut was pointing to you being evil, but you had enough comments and votes that were so incredibly dangerous for an elim to make that I couldn't bring myself to pursue it all the way. That's on me for underestimating you. 

Thanks . Although I didn’t really consider any of the things I was doing risky at the time. I would say the thing about inactives whenever (although I didn’t suspect every villager to have a NK). And C2 was just poorly played by our team in general, I think. I left myself without an easy out from voting on Sart, and Mage was leading the other train. Sart was probably right that we should have gone for a more direct win by controlling the thread (except maybe for village NKs ).

@Ookla the Pianist, thanks for running the game! And @Elandera, thanks for IMing. I said in the elim doc, this is one of the best SE games I played recently, and I’d love to play a similar rule set sometime!

@ookla the lowercase, @Mage, thanks for playing with me and in Sart’s case, putting up with my occasional tendency for a good old bus .

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Honestly, this is probably the most interesting game I’ve ever played.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Oh yeah, this game caused me to exceed Alvron in the number of elim games I've played, it prevented me from having a 6-game loss streak, and it put me back at a 50% overall win rate!

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Porched said:

Oh yeah, this game caused me to exceed Alvron in the number of elim games I've played, it prevented me from having a 6-game loss streak, and it put me back at a 50% overall win rate!

So...you're currently the most Evil person around?

Please, by all means. I am very happy to remain Village  

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

So...you're currently the most Evil person around?

Please, by all means. I am very happy to remain Village  

Yeah, and I think you must be the most village. Which is good, because I still haven't gotten over my strange reluctance to try and vote you out. I tried pushing back against it this game, but no luck .

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Porched said:

Yeah, and I think you must be the most village. Which is good, because I still haven't gotten over my strange reluctance to try and vote you out. I tried pushing back against it this game, but no luck .

I think TJ, Szeth, or Fifth, or Striker(?) has a better long Village streak. Mine's only that long temporally because I haven't played that many games.

I'm glad you all refrained from pulling the Mark FFA unless you really had to though. Not a fan of people brawling over getting a new wincon due to the potential for game drama, and the element of "But...that's not really playing to my wincon", though I felt it didn't matter on N4 because one way or another, we were losing this unless you all messed up inconceivably with the orders so there was nothing left to be done.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm glad you all refrained from pulling the Mark FFA unless you really had to though. Not a fan of people brawling over getting a new wincon due to the potential for game drama, and the element of "But...that's not really playing to my wincon", though I felt it didn't matter on N4 because one way or another, we were losing this unless you all messed up inconceivably with the orders so there was nothing left to be done.

Yeah, village!me would have taken the Mark and then murdered the elim that gave it to me . So I was definitely leaning against that option, but figured it deserved at least to be mentioned. Gotta do what you can to stay alive, you know? (from this you can clearly see that elim!Araris is not a Windrunner, if that wasn't already patently obvious ).

[Kasimir he/him]

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Porched said:

Yeah, village!me would have taken the Mark and then murdered the elim that gave it to me . 

I don't approve of backstabbing but in this case, I'll make an exception for bloody-minded disapproval

55 minutes ago, Ookla the Paranormal said:

Araris, your risk tolerance is insane by the way. Telling coinshots to shoot inactives and regularly bussing your teammates.... The whole time my gut was pointing to you being evil, but you had enough comments and votes that were so incredibly dangerous for an elim to make that I couldn't bring myself to pursue it all the way. That's on me for underestimating you. 

This was basically my problem in a nutshell but now that tonight's Digimon session is over, it's interesting to me and I'm not sure if my playstyle shifted some years ago or you actually influenced my playstyle more than I expected, Archer 

Araris was never going to be seriously on the table for me while Mage was alive. The insane risk tolerance shoved him into a higher trust tier relative to Mage, so... I do rethink and re-evaluate a lot but my general stance has been to go after the question marks first and then back to the more serious trusts. The last cycle sort of threw a wrench into that because Szeth and Araris were counterclaiming which means I had to think about all three of them again but otherwise by and large I'd have defaulted to "Ok, kill the next question mark then."

But I admittedly just fed all my suspect names into the Python script to RNG for kills and at points, used it to RNG votes as well so my kill target list was a mess rather than well-influenced by suspicion tiers.

[Mat he/him]

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

But I admittedly just fed all my suspect names into the Python script to RNG for kills and at points, used it to RNG votes as well so my kill target list was a mess rather than well-influenced by suspicion tiers.

I felt sad when your Mage NK was switched to Tani because of this…

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Pianist said:

I felt sad when your Mage NK was switched to Tani because of this…

Had no bandwidth to think things through and I did say I'd be RNGesusing most of the game to predictably loltastic results. Should probably have used the sacred coin but I didn't want to take it in vain  

Edited December 13, 2021 by Kasimir

[Mage he/him]

Great game guys. I thought we were totally dead after I forgot to log on for the first few days, but Araris and Sart bailed me out and continued to do so for the remainder of the game.

Thanks Mat for GMing. The concept was wacky and fun and I greatly enjoyed the write ups.

[Elandera she/her]

Congratulations to Araris, Mage, and Sart, as well as Kasimir, for their wins during this battle between Feruchemists and Allomancers. Though it was small, it was active and exciting. Thanks again to Matrim for GMing!

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Edited February 10, 2022 by Elandera