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You've just given me a brilliant idea: a wet safehand contest!

Yeah but with the need for stormlight as a fuel it somewhat limits the overpoweredness. is it still outrageously powerfull? sure. But so was TLR with his compounding. Double gold is hard to beat. Compounded health, speed, strength and the mental speed to use them all? My money would be on TLR. dang, now that we know about compounding i'm bummed we didn't ever really get to see TLR in action. just that short bit with Kelsier. He didn't really do anything against Vin.

Hi guys! I'm from New Zealand the land of the long white cloud or as us Kiwis call it -- Aotearoa. I've enjoyed reading fantasy and science fantasy books for a long time but there came a point when I burned myself out on the genre. I've read epics ranging from classics like J. R. R. Tolkien and Isaac Asimov, to the funny Terry Pratchett and the punny Piers Anthony. I'm also a huge fan of the older generation of novelists in the genre such as David Drake, Eric Flint, L. E. Modesitt, C. J. Cherryh, David Eddings and the exceptional Weis & Hickman. And what list of great authors in the genre wouldn't be complete without Patrick Rothfuss, Robert Jordan, Feist, Brooks, Rowling, Gaiman or Salvatore? When I picked up a Sanderson book, I thought I'd get more of the same except a little different. Boy, was I suprised. And I continue to be. Not just with his stories which are fresh and structured in such consistent ways but also with his breakneck release schedule! I've been reading a lot of speculation to tide me over until WoR finally releases. At times, while going through the forum, I felt like upvoting the members of this forum who continually speculate, theorize and hash out the details in Brandon's Universe for keeping me entertained and educated until the next book comes out. Since I have to be a member to best show that appreciation and gratitude, here I am.

No, But he is the ONLY Cap in the army that have darkeyes now =) If when he was Squadleader he apparently already was a catch, now that is is Cap the women in the camp will trown safehand slevees at him (I now very scandalous). I fell that a certain Kholin that are well know for his womanizer ways will get competion in the form of very fit, tanned, long haired young Captain, very silly I now =) Serious, married, sons ? I thinked more in the line of courting or something, and I think that he failed her not in be turned i slave( what would be so simple now that he is free agian) but in other way ( the plot must get thicker)

More Kiwis? Awesome! My favorite SA castmember would have to be Kaladin just because I relate so much to his wanting to do good but failing so many times. Having been through bad times myself, though not as bad as he has, I understand how easy it is to just stop caring and settle for a lesser version of myself. When he decides to help Dalinar instead of escaping and be vindicated ffor his decision still gives me goosebumps. I've read Steelheart and loved it as well! I'm definitely making time for the rest of his work.

I think you were on the right track until you got all serious. Alespren will change the world. Axies will introduce the Alespren to the Parsh and they will all take on the hobo form which makes them immune to Odiums influence. If I'm wrong, and it was those zany artifabrian scientists that were important, then it should be noted that a guass rifle is based on magnetics, but could just as easily be actuated through gravity manipulation. set a projectile in a long tube and accelerate it to about 20 gravities and you have a very deadly weapon. At those velocities each projectile would create an explosive impact that could rip through the ranks of thunderclasts with ease.

Teft is actually Bela reincarnated into a man.

This has probably been discussed before but I came across a very interesting quote while I was looking through the Theoryland interview database: It's an interesting answer by Brandon all around but I'd only like to talk about the last sentence. It's not exactly certain but it feels to me like Brandon's talking about the return of Surgebinding here. First, I want to start by eliminating characters that I don't think is our innovative culprit here: Szeth: Brandon specifically says "random interlude" and I don't think the Szeth interludes can be classified as such. They are like character development chapters for Szeth but not necessarily important to the overall plot of the book. Additionally, I can't think of anything important Szeth discovered in the interludes. Most important things are in his regular chapters. Nan Balat: No discovery here. The chapter shows how screwed up the Davar children are. Ishikk: Again no discovery, not one that is important to the plot anyway. It shows a different part of the world, expands Hoid's story a bit and introduces us to the Seventeenth Shard. Important for cosmere probably, but not much for Roshar. Also Galladon is back, so that's good. Baxil: There is some stuff about Old Magic here, but I don't think this is it either. I think this just shows us Shalash. So what's left and what do they discover? RysnNo spren in Shinovar Shin culture, He Who Adds, farmers being ranked highest, no mining Szeth becoming Truthless and being sold to Vstim Axies the CollectorAlespren Cusicesh Geranid and AshirSpren size and shape are locked if they are measured and recorded Note that, all three discover something about spren. Which do you guys think is what Brandon was talking about? Can you think of anything else?

I just found this "review" of WoR on Tor.com left in the comments of the WoK reread by a beta reader: Source: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/12/the-way-of-kings-reread-chapter-48#comments (scroll down to comment 19.

So, this is a theory that I came up with in response to the Shardic Lens theory, and posted in rough form on that thread. I will restate it here, so that it is a little easier to find (plus I don't want to hijack that thread). So, based on my understanding of the Shardic Lens theory, Adonalsium is basically a wide-band filter for the power of Creation. Upon shattering, we were left with 16 (at first) narrower-band filters, the spectrum of each being defined by the Shardic Intent. This implies that Adonalsium(and the Shards) is not a power unto itself, but rather a means of accessing a power. This is consistent with I believe all the magic systems we have seen as well. Metal, Stormlight, Aons...they aren't the source of the power, but rather a means of accessing it or channeling it. This is important, because it means that the true source of the various powers of the Cosmere is still intact, only the access key is shattered. I believe the AonDor is a very good example of this, in that we are told quite directly that the Aons act as a filter on the power of the Dor, allowing only the desired power through. This makes perfect sense if the Aons are splinters of Aona, and thus an even narrower-band filter on the power of Creation. Which brings me to the theory: I think Hoid's mission is to travel the Cosmere, collecting a sample of each of the various waveforms/powers, in order to reverse engineer the complete "wide-band filter" and enable one to tap into the "full spectrum" of the power of Creation. Because Adonalsium was not the source of the power, but rather just a tool, it is not necessary to reforge Adonalsium. Instead, Hoid is actually trying to replicate that tool, which can be done as many times as desired! Thus the term "Adonalsium Proliferation." What, you want proof?? Well, I don't have any. But how's this: one thing that always bothered me about The Letter was the fact that the recipient disagreed with Hoid's plan. I had always assumed (like many of us) that Hoid was trying to restore Adonalsium/The Cosmere to its previous state, which seems like a good idea. Why would someone disagree with that? However, if Hoid is in fact going for a nuclear-deterrence style proliferation, I can see how that could be terrifying, causing the 17th Shard to try to shut him down. (In this Cold War analogy, the 17th Shard folks represent the Nuclear Disarmament mindset, while Hoid is of the Mutually Assured Destruction mindset). That's it for now! Thanks for Isomere, Senor Freesh, and WeiryWriter for laying the groundwork on this for me! (and any others who I haven't read yet...)

I haven't seen this theory in the forums, so I thought I would bring it up here. Way of Kings, Page 874 "'...I let Tien die, I failed my spearmen, the slaves I tried to rescue, Tarah...' He hadn't thought of her in some time. His failure with her had been different from the others, but a failure was nonetheless." Page 880 "What would have happened to him, if Tarah hadn't coaxed him out of his single-minded dedication? Would he have burned himself out, as she'd claimed?" So who is Tarah? Facts: - A woman from Kaladin's past who came into his life after he took up the spear. Likely after Tien died, because he wasn't dedicated until after that event. - Someone Kaladin failed, but in a different way than the others. Likely she isn't dead, because all the others died. - She helped Kaladin enjoy more in life than the spear. Kaladin's history with Laral shows he is attracted to women. Kaladin describes Tarah as coaxing him, which sounds like something someone would do with flirting. So if she didn't die, how would he have failed her? Could he have been engaged or even married to her and failed to fulfill his obligation because he was sold into slavery? Maybe Kaladin's heart is already taken.

This is by no means a real theory, but rather a fun thought: I think it would be an interesting plot device if, now that several of the Heralds abandoned their oaths, the Heralds are vulnerable and no longer "respawn" on Roshar. They still have very long lives, but the next time they die, they are kapput. I know there are a lot of different ideas of how the entire Order/Herald/Gem/etc. relations work, but I think it would put a really unique spin on things if their permanent death disconnected their Order from the Surgebinding chart in a way. I'm not sure which scenario I prefer, but it could mean that they cannot use abilities that are a combination of the relating to surges anymore, or something like that. This may put a lot of pressure on some capable main characters to find the Heralds and control them. It would essentially be trying to round up a group of rabid lemmings as they all run for a cliff in insanity (yes, I know the whole lemming thing isn't exactly true, but it provides an image). It wouldn't be my favorite interpenetration of the quote, but the entire "Unite them" sequence for Dalinar could relate to this urgent quest to find the Heralds and get them back on their feet. It seems like all of the Orders/Heralds will be needed for the Everstorm or whatever awaits us at the end of 10 books/years.

So, I'm in an RP group with some members of the tumblr cosmere fandom over skype, and sometimes in our off-topic chat gets very interesting. I snatched this gem to share on tumblr and figured I ought to share over here too. Lunarubato: Windrunners are the best at dodgeball FeatherWriter: "GET OFF THE CEILING THAT'S CHEATING" FeatherWriter: That's how the Szeth/Kaladin showdown will go. Windrunner dodgeball. Abalidoth: If you can dodge a Shardblade you can dodge a ball! FeatherWriter: *ugly laughter in Starbucks* Emmalyn: oh god XD Lunarubato: Gets down to one Windrunner, uses reverse lashing to block all the oncoming balls, gets entire team back in play FeatherWriter: Bridge 4 is def Kal's team FeatherWriter: And Renarin FeatherWriter: Renarin doesn't want to play, but Kaladin and Adolin say it will "toughen him up" Lunarubato: Bridge 4 gets in trouble for their "improvisational dodging" which mostly involves hiding behind the bleachers FeatherWriter: They want to know why they can't have shields. Lunarubato: "Turn the bleachers sideways," they cry as they rip pieces of metal from the wall As you can see, we are a very mature group of adults. So mature.

I recently read a Cracked article about some upcoming remakes coming on us in the next few years. Needless to say this is one of the reasons I'm hoping to see a Mistborn movie come out. Hollywood needs some fresh material and new blood in it. Seeing the same thing get remade over and over again is dragging on. I'm looking forward to something new and exciting from the movies and I'm just not feeling it from the early 2014 season.

... When you gather a crew of specialists and raise an army in order to overtake and overthrow your government. Boy, don't you just hate it when that happens!

Kia Ora Auri from a Perth Based Kiwi. The people here are a good lot, even if they mostly drop their u's

You can use the multi-category search: http://coppermind.net/wiki/Special:MultiCategorySearch Just type "Characters" in the first box, then either include cosmere books or exclude non-cosmere books. Should give you what you want.

I think I'll just go ahead and give it to you Mailli. Maybe Sesemalex Dar wasn't as memorable as it was for me, or maybe my clue just stunk.

When you start experimenting with doodles of your home country, trying to access the Dor.

Hey, you just gave me a thought. I don't remember the book saying anywhere that Tarah's a young lady around Kaladin's age. I mean, coaxed can have a different meaning here. She could very well just be some old lady who became the maternal figure in his life after his parents stop talking to him. Tarah: Feeling down? I baked you some cookies. Now don't eat it all at once. You'll get fat! Yeah, who knows? It could happen!

I agree that it isn't likely that Kaladin is going to have any kind of romantic relationship with Laral in the future. That being said I don't have such a harsh view of her. I got the distinct impression that Laral didn't have a lot of control in her life and there was a lot going on off stage with her that we didn't see. In any case I have a very hard time believing that Laral actually wanted to marry Roshone. Edit : It suddenly occurred to me that one reason she may have been so frantic when Rillr was killed was that she might have suspected that Roshone would still want a marriage. The man is a living happiness sink.

I think I'm more intersted in Kaladin having emotional moments with his spear Some of the best scenes in WOK have to do with Kaladin dancing with or resisting the lure of "the spear" *wink* *wink*. Brandon makes Kaladin dancing with his spear sound better than sex, drugs, and alcohol lol.

It's an interesting idea, but I personally think that it might just be coincidence. Going by the chronology page on the wiki the events in Warbreaker take place before any of the ones in The Way of Kings, and unless Kaladin can somehow travel back in time and become returned even though he wasn't born on Nalthis, it just wouldn't be possible.

To be honest, I'm kind of fine with any romance with Kaladin, really... Provided that his main love interest doesn't suddenly become completely obsessed over some other stupid villain that the author introduced in the final book, side against him despite everything they've been through, and render the past TWELVE books worth of emotional investment completely wort... *Cough* Sorry about that. Fresh off another series. Still fuming over the way it ended. So yeah, Kaladin has a lot of potential. BS can really do whatever he likes with his romance... He could even throw Laral back in the mix and give him a little spice to shake up his life. If he could do it well, I'm all for it.

I know it isn't quite the same, but over on steelministry.com we have a game running called futile efforts where we are trying to assassinate the lord Ruler. Herowannabe who is running it does awesome narration, including some from the lord Ruler's point of view, so if you want to see a bit more of him you can check it out. I've compiled the narration, cutting out all of the out of character comments in this thread if you feel like a fun read. (You don't need an account to view this campaign).

Actually, maybe that's the reason he gets caught again? Maybe he keeps trying to go back to Tarah? Speculation is fun!

I think the closest we have to what you are describing is the Character Category page(s) but it isn't restricted to just cosmere people.

You're right to pay attention to his wording though. Brandon does that.

Ya know what sounds like a real horrible shard idea? Odium. Who wants to be hateful all the time? That shard would be a real bummer, man.

This thread has made me very sad. Alaxel what you say about biology may be correct for the most part though there are many cases where some ones biological gender can be harder to define. Gender as in woman and man or otherwise should not have to rely on whether someone has a particular organ between their legs it makes very little sense. But I guess that is my thoughts and you are entitled to your own but I just feel sad and felt I should say something. And it isn't really your fault I've just been on edge since Australia repealed their homosexual marriage law and I've been reading about mars hill church... I just feel helpless sometimes. This is probably the stupidest 17th shard post ever though to be fair I have never really given much to this fandom really. I swear I'll do good fan art someday lol. And note to feather your post about how tumblr works is beyond useful

Cheers! I've read the cosmere related books but I have yet to pick up Alcatraz, Rithmatist or Infinity Blade. My personal favorite is TWoK though Emperor's Soul comes a very close second. I just love how badass the SA cast is!

Just be polite and avoid double-posting (edit your own posts instead). Other than that, just ramble on!

I vote fo Geranid and Ashir. Thinking about this all fabrials lack a certain level control, like they give heat of move things but there aren't really great precision there. If you could define the power output or define with precision the efects of that a fabrial could generate you would have a pretty cool pseudo-tecnology setting here. I already imaging a fight in the futre with "Roshar space slip ship" and a "Scandrial time-dilating travel ship" =) Crossing finger for they invent some form of gun spren powered weapon.=) Like a "Gravitational Accelaration Honor Assault Gun" .44 " GagaG. 44 The ketek gun PS: For the fun a googled the accelaration in G of a bullet and this was what Dr. Wiki told me. 31 000 G 9 × 19 Parabellum handgun bullet (average along the length of the barrel) To make a Gravitational spren gun, we need a gem to lash the bullet in the direction of the target at 31 000 G. Szeth lashead a big rock about 20 G ( i don't remember exactly). Let says that the weight of the object is important. and let say that the rock was 1/2 Ton (500KG a conservative number). Let also say that a have bullet 10g, so =) 500Kg = 500,000g 500,000(block weight) / 10(bullet wight) = 5000 to 1 ratio If you could lash 500,000g about 20 times applying the weight ratio a bullet could be lashed 20(lash paradigm) X 5000(weight ratio) = 100,000 (lashs or G) And we now have the math to a functional Lash/Gravitational gun =) Now we only need trap a honor spren and bond it in a way that he lashs everthing in one direction(the diretion that the barrel is pointing) with the around 30,000 G (a possible number). Tcharammm Ketek gun =) PSS: I'm only joking people =)

It may not have been flirting or it may have been. Still, how did he fail her? I doubt it would have had the same weight as the people who died because of his failure unless it was something really big. Failing a commitment to her could be as important. I doubt merely failing to pay a debt or something like that would have weighted as much as his other failures. He might not have thought of her for sometime because he believed, and still believes, his chance with her is gone because of his slave brand. Page 98 says: "They'd taken his freedom, his family, his friends, and--most dear of all--his dreams." What were Kaladin's dreams? Could they have been dreams of a family life with Tarah? Maybe not, but really after Tien's death we know very little of Kaladin's life--until he defeats the shardbearer and is sold into slavery of course. I just think it is funny how fans keep shipping Kaladin with two lighteyed women (even I have considered the pairing of him with Jasnah, though she is too old for him) when he has a deep aversion to lighteyes. He could end up with one of the heroines, but isn't that what always happens in these kind of stories, the heroes pair up. What if Sanderson threw us a curve ball and made Kaladin unavailable because he was already married? Maybe Tarah and Kaladin weren't together maybe they were. However, Tarah will play an important part later, somehow otherwise she would not have been mentioned at all.

Welcome. The answer to your second question is Skybreakers are, for sure, the second order of the Knights Radiant. Brandon first told us that they were the tenth, but that turned out to be a mistake and was later corrected. That's probably the reason for the discrepancy. Also, you can usually find that sort of things on our wiki: http://coppermind.net/wiki/Knights_Radiant Our articles are generally pretty well cited.

Long rambly talk about what tumblr is and how it works in spoiler tags. And when I say long, I mean it. Seriously VERY LONG.

I'd eat my (chocolate) hat if Tarah isn't still alive and doesn't show up in WoR or the next book.

That timer would be even more tortuous! Like watching a pot boil for 3 months.

(Quick disclaimer: I feel safe saying this since anyone who follows Peter on facebook already knows I've read this storming book.) Wait, we're allowed to post reviews? I didn't know that. Also, don't feel jelous. You guys are still waiting for book two. Those who have already read the book are waiting for a book that has yet to be written, or even outlined! It's torture I tell you, pure torture. Plus, the way we had to read it was not fun either. We were sent part one (and let me tell you, the cliff hanger that part one ends with is INSANE!), then we had to wait a week to get the next part. So, those of who you are fast at reading an planning on devouring the thing in one night, feel super lucky you weren't part of the beta. In other news, I think the book is better than WoK. And I can't wait to see the finished product and hold it in my hand.

I'm with you! To glory and spoilers.

Fast!!! Someone track his ip to the "17th shard assault force" bust the place where he hided this treusure =) I take point, someone with me ?

Sorry then, I suppose I misinterpreted you. I guess I went down the wrong mental trail when you said "Ruin clearly and obviously reads Zane's mind," interpreting it as you attempting to point out an in-text, canonized fact rather than a typo. So far as Zane's perspective being a fever dream, perhaps I failed to be clear in what I meant. I meant that it could be quite possible that Zane unconsciously mutters or mouths words to himself at times at times. Not noticing an unconscious tic is a horse of a different color from simply perceiving the entire world wrong. Aether's explanation is more likely, though, I'll freely admit.

Wow this is all too amazing. And slightly disturbing at the same time.

Ha - that would be a funny scene. A conventional assassin walks in and stabs someone in a completely Awakener-proof fortress

Okay, I see what you mean. I think the difference is that a Misting has the power to burn a certain metal. That metal, when burned, filters the power of preservation to create an effect based on the metal. This effect is not something inherent to the allomancer, the ability to burn the metal is. I think Compounding works when the feruchemical charge in the metal acts like a filter on the incoming preservation-investure, so they energy is relased as the feruchemical attribute instead of the normal effect. So assuming I've interpreted this right, allomacers can't "burn two things", they can burn one metal, and that metal filters the power of preservation in different ways. Now, you could argue that since all of this is inherent in the metal, then a ferring of that metal should be able to store whatever "thing" is associated with that metal, like allomantic power. But I would argue that a metals feruchemical and allomantic properties are not so accessible by the other systems means of access (tapping and burning respectively), otherwise an allomancer could burn a metal for the feruchemical effect without having to store anything first. This would also hypothetically mean that you could access a metal's Hemallurgic properties freely. I hope this makes sense. Granted, we don't know if allomancy and fercuchemy actually work this way, with the powers being inherent to the metal and not the individual. In any case, it feels like we would have heard if it was as simple as storing allomantic power as an attribute in its corresponding metal.

That makes no sense.

I don't know who Richard Rahl is, but I think that was an obviously bad decision. Yeah there was little he could do at the moment but you can't just abandon a country like that. The point is that Rand was already close to the breaking point, he was making bad decisions. And for the fact that love being what rescue Rand from the abyss is not very original: yeah it isn't, that doesn't make it less true.

He was taking advisement from Breeze, black was just getting too monotonous.

For me, it's a tough choice between The Black Company Series or the Garrett, P.I. books, both by Glen Cook. The Black Company really appeals to me, personally, because I spent four years in the Marine Corps Infantry. I immediately identified with all of the characters and felt like I've known them for years. That, combined with the accurate and compelling portrayal of the trials and tribulations of a military unit, told from the perspective of the Company Physician, makes this book unforgettable. The deeper questions about the nature of duty and honor that get explored are also exceptionally well done. The Garrett, P.I. books are also fantastic. Witty, humorous, clever, you want to read these books. The stories star Garrett, a handsome Ex Marine turned freelance private investigator. He lives in the city of TunFaire, home of humans, elves, dwarves, trolls, giants, fairies, and every possible combination of those races, and works as little as he possibly can to get by. I'm doing a poor job explaining these books, but suffice it to say it's Noire style mystery in a Fantasy setting with plenty of humor. Prior to Stormlight Archive, I would have said that I enjoyed KingKiller Chronicles more than the Cosmere novels...but, damnation it...nothing happens in KKC! It's beautifully written and interesting, but Sanderson has spoiled me. I expect some mind blowing craziness to happen by the end if the novel. Besides, Kaladin woukd stomp the rust out of Kvothe any day.

Ham for Mistborn, 2014. I would say Dox, but he was a bit dead by then. More likely, they would've studied it all book 3, and it would finally be consumed in a time of need 8 pages before the end.