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100% sure. But I don't remember where, but it was mentioned. But thanks for trying.

I would say that Re-Shephir was probably too strong for a silver blade to just trivialize the encounter. It would hurt like heck, but I don't think it would instantly cripple her. But we haven't ever seen how silver effects a being as Invested as an Unmade yet.

I think it does as I am talking about the official art of what the plate for each order looks like, not just the Vorin colors. Also, maybe because she is just weird and very closely connected to Cultivation. Lift is a very bad example to try and find out what Edgedancers are like as she is actively shown to be an exception in basically every way, she doesn't even use Stormlight normally. She mostly uses Lifelight, which is creates via metabolizing food, and she is effected by the Old Magic given directly by Cultivation, and etc. She is not the norm in any way.

I mean, technically, Lifespren and Gloryspren are just fan theories, well supported ones, but fan theories nonetheless. Also, if Lifespren are Platespren, they would be for Truthwatchers, not Edgedancers, due to color associations. Truthwatchers have green plate, while Edgedancers have silver plate. Thus we would look more for similiariteis with Mistspren instead of Cultivationspren. Only Windspren, Creationspren, and Logicspren are confirmed. And I do feel that Creationspren and Cryptics have similar physical ideals in how much they warp and change form over time, like how Cryptics have a constantly changing pattern for their head. On Logicspren and Inkspren, you have a valid point there.

Another passage I am looking for. Way of Kings passages on Alethkar being relatively cold, I remember it being described as a pretty cold nation, not as cold as the Frostlands, but still cold. I need it for some citations. Thank you for any help.

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I mean, a lot of what Raboniel said was the truth, though. She was actually not the biggest fan of Odium and his intentions. I feel like she does actually want Odium gone as part of the reason for the war continuing for so long, and for the war happening in the first place, all goes back to Odium. So that was all rather genuine. I feel that her being excited by the idea that humans and Fused could join together (as a thematic connection to Stormlight and Voidlight being able to mix) was also genuine. I do feel you are looking at her in the worst of lights, in assuming everything she said was a lie.

Furthermore, discovering Anti-Voidlight would also give humanity a big advantage, as it would give them the ability to actually permanently kill the Fused. It would be worth anything to get that knowledge. As they would be completely and utterly incapable of victory without it. When your foe eternally reincarnates whenever killed, you get pretty desperate for a way to actually kill them.

Sorry for going quiet for a bit, that rant led me into a particularly bad depressive episode. (don't worry, I didn't do anything rash, just felt awful.) Still feel terrible, but need to say this so I get it out and stop thinking about it. That way I can cheer up a bit by getting it off my mind, as I am the kind of person that, when something is on my mind, I tend to think about it constantly until I can get it off my chest. @The Bookwyrm The thing is, I personally completely and utterly despise the way that Star Wars works with all the EU books. I see it as a massive middle-finger to any ideas of artistic integrity or vision. As it simply comes down to milking the idea by making it so you don't just have one person to make money off the works of, but can spread it to multiple, so that you have like 100 people pumping things out. And it also absolutely destroys internal consistency and proper interconnectedness, as making a good world doesn't matter to them, it is just money, money, money. It doesn't care about anything else, it is why Star Wars is such a low-quality and incoherent mess, as it is just so completely and utterly corporatized on every single level, that it is not longer treated as a work of art, but as nothing more than a soulless product to be mass produced. I am happy that you enjoy it, it is just that I can't. It is the same reason I have a lot of difficulty getting into Marvel and DC comics, as it is just like, 200+ different writers making their own things, ultimately leading to the verse as a whole falling into such absolute incoherence and self-contradiction they have to keep pushing reset on the whole thing. Then they repeat the same mistakes that led to that being necessary in the first place, and it becomes necessary again, so they do another reset, then make the same mistakes once again! As they can't learn from their mistakes. I don't care about seeing every single corner of a verse filled by whatever author comes along. I see verses as a massive work of art made by a person, wherein they have a vision, and they paint it down by weaving together words. Think about it like this, would Sunday on La Grande Jatte be the same if Georges Seurat didn't do it all, if like, all of a sudden, that family and their dog near the front are done by Bob Smith, those trees are done by Kevin, those boats in the background are done by Jane Doe, etc, except that it isn't identical to what we see, but is rather their own concept in general which doesn't match with the larger vision, it was an idea borne out of their mind. No matter how closely it resembles the vision of Seurat, it will always look wrong as it is ultimately the work of a different artist just patched into his masterpiece. That is how I view the idea of a multiple writers making entries to the same verse, it is like a painting being torn apart and having new pieces stitched onto it, all while people claim "It is the same thing, this is the painting that you so love, this is The Church at Auvers." though half be but a hollow facsimile, mere forgeries wrought by unfamiliar hands. And those ideas that are new, while beautiful on their own, clash with the palette and raise their fist in indignation at the greater vision of the artist, cursing them. This is effectively how I see it, I only want to see every corner filled if the creator themselves fills them, as I am following their vision, not simply the world itself. I want to see that vision of theirs grow and mature, ab incunabulis ad sepulcrum et en absente alius. If they don't, then that's okay, we need not all things from sea to sea and star to star, especially if it requires bringing on more authors, as it brings to mind a question, cui bono? I don't want to see another person brought in to fill it, so long as Brandon's heart beats true and his mind remains sharp. I don't want the broth to be spoiled. I don't follow the cosmere simply because it exists, so I will not be happy with anything just because it has the brand stamped on. I also don't care about the worldbuilding done by some randos. I care about Brandon's vision, and one of the reasons I love the cosmere so much is that it is untarnished, it is still his vision. The only things not written by him are some of the Broadsheet entries, otherwise, it is all him. Anything else would simply feel inherently lesser. It is a large interconnected literary universe which doesn't have countless cooks. Entries also have ramifications, so I worry about how it would effect everything on a deeper level. I know the cosmere will never reach the same extent of tampering as something like Star Wars or Marvel/DC, especially with how much him and Isaac are going over every aspect of his ideas to make sure they work, weekly meetings and all. But any tampering still leaves me fearful and worried.

Don't worry, I apologize as well. I was too aggressive, I was having a bad day and was thus not in the best of moods. And on Kelsier leaving the system, I feel it is a bit different for him. As the only other planets in the Scadrian system are very far away from Scadrial and completely uninhabited. I also feel the Heralds being able to go to Braize and Roshar was by design, like, they are given a very strong Connection to both planets, and not something that any CS strongly Connected to a planet would inherently be able to do.

I mostly just want to vent, and also to have some people try and like, find WoBs or such that can comfort a lot of my worries, as it is very hard to find any on it on Arcanum. As for some reason there aren't tags for this, despite how very important the topic is, to the extent that they should 100% be grouped together under a tag. And I have no clue at all why they aren't. I am very concerned over more people joining into the cosmere, as I worry a lot about it becoming something like Star Wars or Warhammer where you have so many writers working on separate books that it not only leads to the rise of ten thousand contradictions and retcons per book, but also leads to it losing a lot of soul. As I feel Cosmere has a lot of soul in how it is Brandon's life-work, not a property for anyone to jump on and write for, where all integrity is dropped for the sake of just pumping out works to drain us of all our money without any care being given towards quality of cohesiveness. It is a constant worry I have been having, lately. This isn't helped by how one of the first WoBs on him being the VP talked about them co-writing a bunch of books, and it leaves me really worried. I know that they are doing a lot of stuff to make sure the book he is writing now fits perfectly into the cosmere. But I worry that it would slacken more over time and it would begin to lead to mistakes. And I also don't want too much to be written that isn't by Brandon's hand. Especially as I have absolutely no connection to Dan as a writer as I have never read a book by him and have no interest in reading books by him. To me, he is just some random dude that happens to be friends with Brandon. So I just don't trust him to join in on writing, very different from my thoughts on Isaac who has been a very big part in the writing for a while (but even with him it puts me a bit on edge). The stress and anxiety and worry over this actually makes me feel rather sick to my stomach (and I do mean this literally, it actually makes me feel physically sick). I don't want the cosmere to become some over-corporatized, incoherent mess. I don't want quantity, I want quality and heart, and to see Brandon's vision unfold. I don't care if that means a lower quantity, if it means that we are able to see the cosmere, as his vision, be told by his hand. It is one reason why I have absolutely zero interest in cosmere fanfiction (or any fanfic for that matter), because it isn't just the world I find interest in, it is the unfolding of an artist's vision. And I fear that that is all Dan's books will feel like, some weird fanfic that won't fit into the wider vision, and at worst, actively break the vision by contradicting mechanics or the timeline in a destructive manner, bringing a sledgehammer against the intricate house of cards; and with every book that is written, the chances of that sledge being swung, and the level of destruction it can wreck, increases exponentially (less exponentiation and more like pentation or hexation or duodecation or quetta-ation or TREE(3)-ation (that last one is a joke)). And even if it doesn't, I don't even feel like I would care about it as it would just feel wrong for books in the cosmere to not be written by Brandon. And of course they are being very secretive about it all, which means I have to continue being on edge about it until they decide to be open. It isn't some looking forward to something with excitement like information about SA5, this is just waiting in dread for more information on something I am deeply concerned about. GAD and Depression are a terrible combination, and leads me to worrying so much over things like this. Sorry for the rant, I just, want to get it off my chest, and see if maybe people have information that would be able to calm me down about this whole situation, at least to an extent.

The thing is, that Awakened Blades/Shardblades and Silver Blades would do very different things to the target. Silver is purely about disrupting Investiture in a way that can damage or kill Invested Entities, if they are reliant enough on Investiture for their survival, basically, beings that are made of Investiture. Shardblades cut apart the Spiritweb of a person, which can easily kill them. Ultimately, shardblades are far more effective against beings not made of Investiture, but is less effective against beings made of Investiture. Silver is not that effective against most beings, but is very effective against beings made of Investiture, like Shades. However, a silver blade would still be useful due to the fact that Awakened Blades are ludicrously hard to make. Given just how many Breaths you need to be of a high enough Heightening to make one, then on top of that you have to take into account the Commands. It is simply not something an ordinary person can get their hands on. Shardblades are also hard due to the fact you need to get a Spren to agree to bond with you, and then you have to do enough Ideals to gain the ability to use them as a blade, and on top of that, you would be sealed to Roshar until you find out the very difficult way to leave the planet with your Spren. And as Alder said, silver doesn't make the best swords. It is just too soft to make a good weapon. It would only be good due to the cosmerological effects of the metal, but in terms of fighting against those not effected by that, it would be complete rubbish and break too easily. There is a reason you don't see many silver swords in the real world. So, both are very inefficient, albeit in different ways. I guess the best case scenario, where you ignore all the issues with Shardblades being difficult to get and to get outside of Roshar. It would be best to have a shardblade as your main arm, and a silver side-arm to use if you come across something that would be weak too it, and not as your go-to weapon. Furthermore, I would recommend silver-edged with the main body being steel-manganese. If you are a Feruchemist, you could also make the fuller out of pewter or something, for you to be able to pull strength from it. This I feel would actually make it good as a general sword, as it makes up for the weakness of silver by just making it silver-edged with a main body of rather strong steel-manganese alloy. Which I don't think would make it bad at killing Shades and such, as it still uses the silver. That I feel would be the best weapon setup.

You keep completely ignoring what I say when I mention that part. You keep doing this. This one quote instantly invalidates your rebuttal, as it instantly shows that what you are saying is completely wrong. We have not seen the area between systems. Just the area only a slight bit past the edge of one planet (and I brought up that I feel the area only slightly beyond one planet would be very different from an area much further from it). Which fits exactly with what I said. Please read my comments properly before attempting to make rebuttals like this. Sorry for getting annoyed and/or aggressive, but you always tend to ignore what I say when I bring up this, and try to really stretch that one WoB to say that literally every single part of Shadesmar without exception looks exactly like that one area. And the repetition is getting annoying. Sorry again. I get that that is your headcanon, and I would be fine with it if it was communicated as a headcanon, but it is not supported by the things that you keep bringing up. So it ultimately is just a headcanon borne of extrapolation and unsupported by evidence, not a factual observation of cosmere mechanics. We have not seen the area very far from a subastral, or between systems, therefore we cannot make such assumptions. He was literally so close to Scadrial at that point that his Connection basically still considered him as being on Scadrial. Thus, logically, he was not extremely far from it, but only a tiny bit outside. So little outside that he could not only actually reach there, but to the extent that he didn't even reach what little there is of Aagal Nod, despite how compressed the distance is. Which further proves how absurdly close he was to the Scadrian subastral. Thus, I interpret the way it manifests to still be heavily influenced by the subastral, instead of being the pure and unaffected-by-cultural-perception manifestation of empty space. But just a place where the Scadrian perception is still molding it. The way that we saw it work, with Scadrian aspects melting away over time, I feel implies that what we see is still effected, just to a lesser extent than before, but still to an extent. It is part of the same System, after all. Therefore, my idea that we have not seen an area far from a subastral is still held true. You seem to think that when Brandon said "space between planets" that he was instantly like, 50 AU away or something. When the text itself implies that we was only a little outside. Furthermore, we know that there is a CR manifestation of space, it is just absurdly contracted, but he implies that there is some manifestation there. This is also supported by everything we have seen, I feel.

I will take his newest one as more valid, which doesn't exactly support what you are saying. He implied that it would be a rather large factor, it simply wouldn't be like, lightyears. I feel that as time passes it would become large enough that it begins to become inefficient, just never impossible. This does leave me wondering what exactly the space between systems would look like as it expands. Where you have neither solid nor fluid, nor objective direction in general. We have seen between planets within the same system, but that I feel would be effected by the perception of those in the system far more, and anyway, we have only seen a little outside, I feel it would get weirder and weirder as you get further from the subastral.

Pretty sure that they actively mentioned that that did happen. And it didn't ruin the book for me as it actively lampshades it, it is fully aware how unlikely it is, and it actually talks about that. They just actively choose worlds they can find where their English is very close to modern English. So, I accept it as it is just like "we just found worlds where they happen to speak modern English, don't think about it!", found it kind of funny and endearing, actually.

Yeah, I don't see how it is Deus ex Machina in the slightest, it was very heavily implied since as far back was Well of Ascension, and then Warbreaker and Stormlight established the ideas of Cognitive Shadows to give further evidence of it being possible for him to survive, then SoS explicitly said he continued to exist which gave explanations to a ton of things throughout MB2 and MB3. I feel it was very well established, and Kelsier being "alive" wasn't really meant to be a bombshell at all. What was meant to be the twist was Kelsier being the Sovereign. And I still don't get why we would have needed every answer in TLM, like, it simply wasn't about him and it would have ruined the flow of the story to be like "okay, lets dig into the backstory of this side-character" (while he is very important, within the context of TLM itself, he was a side-character), especially considering the fact that the PoV we see him through would have no reason to ask how he is alive. Think of it like this, if a Christian were to see Jesus rise from the dead, they wouldn't be wondering "by what cosmological and spiritual mechanisms did you achieve this feat?" they would assume it is inherently because of who he is. It would be a similar idea with Marasi seeing Kelsier alive and in the flesh, she would assume "it is because he is the Survivor". (not putting them on the same level, of course, just saying that the idea is similar in concept) Thus, it wouldn't make sense for her to ask him, and thus it wouldn't make sense to go into a side-tangent explaining it. In terms of the epilogue from his perspective, it would not make sense to come up as they are both very aware of how he did it, and it was also not the topic of conversation. This is the logical Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is the same thing, it would not make sense to dig into the backstory of a side-character like that, it would ruin the flow for no real reason, and it would take away any possible big Kelsier reveals from Era 3, in which he would be a central figure. Furthermore, Era 2 was made to act as worldbuilding and plot setup for Era 3, and it also technically wasn't even planned to exist at all*, TLM especially was basically a stepping stone between 2 and 3**. It is almost like a sort of Era 3 Book 0, a sort of prologue or narrative connective tissue. We are not supposed to be getting full and complete answers yet, and I am happy about that. It is supposed to make us more excited about Era 3 and a (potential) SH2. And on Annotations, those aren't the same as normal WoBs, which can change pretty easily. Annotations are meant to be completely canonical statements on the books, as a way to add information that he couldn't find a way to fit in naturally. So you can safely view those as a canonical source of information even if you dislike WoBs. * Basically, AoL was written as Brandon was going to take a while to get back to Era 2 (as Era 3 was originally called), and wanted to give us a shorter novel in the world to keep us up on some developments and tide us over a bit until Era 2. But he loved the setting and characters enough he felt that he could make a trilogy out of it, also thinking it would be good to set up more of the world and help establish Era 2 far more in a way he feels would strengthen it, and the Inter-Era narrative arc as a whole. Thus SoS, BoM, and TLM were plotted as a trilogy, and Era 1.5 became Era 2, and Era 2 became Era 3. This is why Era 2 is randomly a tetralogy. ** As Era 3 is going to be focused a ton on Trell, Kelsier, and the Ghostbloods (heck, he is calling the trilogy Mistborn: Ghostbloods). Which we only got a taste of in Era 2. It also established Investiture Nukes and conflict between the Malwish Consortium and Elendel Basin (and also people wanting to succeed from the Elendel Basin as a nation), which I feel would be very relevant to Era 3 as Brandon has compared it to the Cold War, where nuclear threat and MAD became a very major theme in international geopolitics. So, ultimately, Era 2 as a whole, but especially TLM, were meant primarily as a thematic setup for Era 3. It also possibly established a setup for the story of Aether of Night (the rewrite), with mentions of the Dark Aether.

I disagree, none of those established that Ruin could only potentially destroy Scadrial due to his connection to it and how it was made out of him. That mostly would limit his ability to do things like, how Ruin activated the Ashmounts, and such. Not his pure destructive capacity. Odium can destroy Roshar, they established that he could pretty easily when not restrained. The issue is that currently his full power is kept locked away, so he can't go full out and actually fight and cause mass devastation to his full extent. Think about it like this, @JohnnyKaizen, Ruin was unable to fully destroy Scadrial while he was sealed away in the Well of Ascension, he could effect Scadrial in many ways to a lesser extent, but was ultimately limited. Odium is a very similar situation, not exactly the same, but both ultimately have their full capacity limited. Harmony not being able to act easily is just due to the fact that it is two completely contradictory Intents. Stasis and Entropy are so completely and utterly at odds with one another that whatever he does would essentially be acting against one of his Intents. To try and keep things the same, he is going against Ruin, to try and bring change, he is going against Preservation. Thus, over time, this becomes stronger and stronger as he becomes more aligned with this self-contradicting Intent.

1: No, I will add that eventually, just not in the mood rn. 1.1: I am basing the catacendre on 1025, as Coppermind does. I forgot if Ruin was released in '23 or 24', though, need to check. 2: We do not, but it isn't relevant for the timeline as they kept the same calendar and year length (by their reckoning, year length was technically shorter) 3: I am one that believes that it means it is 194 or 294, as 'x usually means that part of it is cut off. So, if it was 94, they most likely would just say 94 instead of '94, but you are correct that it is not confirmed.

I am confused on what you mean, you mean turn them into phonemes? If so, Brandon and his team have given WoBs about several of the pronunciations. Here are two

Brandon isn't monolingual, he is bilingual. He speaks English and Korean. Anyway, it is kinda needed to do it as he does, as a lot of the mistakes you want to see would have to require him making an in-depth conlang for every single language. Which would be a lot of work, and the result ultimately wouldn't be that satisfying, as it would just be a bunch of conversations of people being constantly confused with each other, making any progress difficult. Also, your mention of translated texts feeling really weird to English ears, that is simply a terrible translation, good translations sound far more natural. I say this as somebody who has read a bunch of translated books from Japanese, Russian, Spanish, Chinese, Sanskrit, French, Polish, German, Korean, Persian, and so forth. And also, he does ultimately include more confusion with non-Connection based interlanguage communication. Look at Rock, he ultimately has a few weird ways of talking, gets some grammar wrong (missing articles or already implied pronouns, or using the wrong pronouns, like gendered pronouns for inanimate objects), and has difficulty communicating some Unkalaki concepts that don't really fit in the Vorin worldview, like nuatoma (due to how intertwined social superiority and power is with lighteyed-ness in Vorin cultures, both politically and linguistically, that they don't really understand the concept of a position of power not being tied to lighteyed-ness). Which I feel fits with the kind of thing that you want. The way that Shin people talk also feels very differently from the way that other people as well, due to how divergent their language and culture is from everyone else (it is most closely related to Unkalaki and Listener, but is so far divergent that it mostly only shares grammar, with vocabular having diverged immensely). Like, if you look at how Shin people talk, it is different in a few ways that are hard to exactly pin down. With Connection-based communication, Intent passes over, which is why it tends to bypass a lot of mistakes as it transfers (such as issues with synonyms on either side) what you actually mean. This is why if you think too much about what you are saying as you say it, you will often speak in your native tongue instead of the language you are Connected to.

??? What are you talking about? They are 100% allowed here, the spoiler period is long over. The book has been out for almost 3 years, much longer than 6 months. I'm confused. Edit: Nevermind, you said are allowed. I read "aren't allowed" and got very confused. My bad.

I think the pancake one was just a joke Hoid made up to support his joke about the name Doug, he was just messing with people. I don't think that such creatures actually exist as they don't really fit in the cosmere. I always just saw it as a fictional anecdote. He described them as if the audience would never have heard of them, and I feel something that weird would have warranted a lot more attention and explanation if it was true. (I at least really hope it was a joke, as such creatures really wouldn't fit in the cosmere. Speaking with flatulence and all.) But yeah, I felt dragon was unlikely, I even highlighted one reason in the original post for it not making sense like that. .

I feel they explain it at length, but it is basically a heavily Invested hurricane-like storm. That is what both of them are, but they are both Invested by different types of Investiture. The Everstorm also moves at a slower rate and in the opposite direction from the Highstorm. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Highstorm?&oldid=133437 Here is a link to the page from before RoW and Dawnshard. Thus it only contains information from SA1-3 and Edgedancer. (Ah, people already gave a significantly better answer than me, good job you two)

In Tress, we see what appears to be a new type of humanoid race. What exactly is this? I assumed Sho Del, due to the eyes (Sho Del have reptilian eyes), but I feel Hoid would have mentioned the four arms, as that is a pretty distinguishing trait. If it was a Dragon, I don't see why they would have to use a Lightweaving as they could simply shapeshift. So, is it just a Sho Del and Hoid didn't mention the arms, is it a Sho Del with some deformity making it only have two arms, or is it some other creature entirely? I don't know why nobody else is talking about this or asking Brandon questions about it.

Yeah, that criticism just makes no sense. It is complaining about not having everything explained before the end of the story. It is like criticizing Citizen Cane by saying "We don't know what Rosebud is yet, why isn't it explaining it!" when only halfway through the film, the story simply isn't finished yet. Therefore, it makes perfect sense for it to not all be explained yet. It is all going to be a focus in Era 3, after all. Era 2 simply isn't about Kelsier, and it would be weird to go on a tangent from the plot to dig into him when: it is irrelevant to the story, it would be a side-tangent that completely interrupts the narrative flow. The person we see Kelsier through is Marasi, who would have no reason to ask him how he managed to staple his Cognitive Aspect to a Physical Aspect. She didn't really understand Realmatics and the concept of Cognitive Shadows, thus it wouldn't really cross her mind. I think she would also be too reverent of Kelsier to barrage him with questions just to sate her curiosity. In the epilogue from his perspective, nothing comes up that would redirect his mind to thinking about that, nor would it make sense to jump to that idea given the topic of the chapter. It would remove any potential reveal on that aspect from Era 3, which is going to have a much stronger focus on Kelsier. (Era 2 was technically very unplanned, and was meant to just be AoL until Brandon decided it would help build the world and set a few things up far better if he made it into a larger series. Era 2 is, at a fundamental level, a set-up for the world, plot, and ideas of Era 3) And yeah, I feel it is implied he put his soul into a spike and had that spike placed into a body, stapling it back. That is pretty obvious to me even ignoring the WoBs, I actually theorized that even after that one flashback at the end of BoM, just an "ah, he stapled his soul to a body using hemalurgy!", but I guess not everyone keeps up with more foundational mechanics of the cosmere as me, and that's okay. (We don't know if we will get SH2, Brandon just said he wants to write it, but isn't entirely sure if he would be able to. I feel it would be explained in Era 3, at least.)