Firesong

We had a page on him until it was confirmed who it was. We just didn't have much on there except for trivia and the Concept art.

On this, we don't know how much technology and access to atium has changed. The fact Brandon says Era 3 will begin to touch on God Metal Alloys more suggests that they will become more common over time. Also, it isn't too much of a waste, as Sig said, it is made to make it easier to exist on planets with lower gravity, which would actually be extremely useful.

Counterpoint, Shard magic could be used to make it be retained earlier if it is an artificial planet. Which I definitely feel it is due to the fact it is so dense, and has hydrostatic equilibrium at such a small radius (161 km is smaller than any dwarf planet we have observed so far). And with how weird the core is in its interaction with the sun. It all screams "a Shard made me"

Oh, it is 100% after Stormlight 10. Stormlight 10 happens before Era 3, and this is in the ballpark of Era 4.

This book only made me more confused over what Iron Feruchemy is supposed to do. When this doesn't fit with what we see of it in other books, where it acts as a change in mass, not increasing falling rate and actively increasing things like momentum, which rely on mass, not weight. And also: Like, Brandon calls it mass a lot. And actively says it isn't gravity. But this book calls it an increase in weight and gravity, and it comes from a more knowledgeable source. But it actively contradicts how we see it work, and how Brandon has personally described it when asked. So, I am deeply confused. Is Sig just wrong? Is this a special alloy or something that effects gravity but not mass (I actually quite like that headcanon, it does make sense to me.*)? I feel we really need to ask him about it again at Dragonsteel (this is me asking anyone going to ask, as I can't do it myself). As I am very confused about it as it is calling it weight, but if it follows conservation of momentum the way it does, as that functions via mass, not weight and gravity. * Expanding on this. Some sort of Iron-Atium alloy maybe? As it in general doesn't seem to work like a normal Ironmind. I don't remember Wax ever finding himself overly sluggish or unable to move when he increases his mass, as They gain the strength to withstand the increase. But we don't see that happen with Sigzil. It was definitely not normal Iron Feruchemy now that I think about it. From a Doylist perspective it would also make sense, as Sigzil explained the weight device far more than he did other things that we would already know and understand. It seems like Brandon was actively trying to point towards it being something new. Perhaps. Even the fact that he spoke about Steelminds, but called this a "weight device" without mentioning Ironminds, also could have been pointing us towards that. Hmmm... yeah, I am convinced, actually. It is not normal iron feruchemy.

Yeah, getting to the image, it is definitely him, yeah.

What are we going to do with Zellion? As we have Zellion from SA5, and the Zellion from SP4. But as it is right now, the page for SA5 Zellion was wiped and replaced with the current one. I feel this is not the best way that we could do this. Maybe do a shared name system where we have Zellion (Roshar)? As it seems it is just a bad idea to not have any page for the Stormlight Zellion.

Stormlight info Okay, I read that planets above 2 Earth Masses would be likely to retain too much of their primordial helium and hydrogen. But I actually don't feel that this would be the case with Sel, who only has a gravity of 1.2 due to a lower density. Whilst the source of this information was thinking of more traditional density and makeup. So I feel that isn't too much of an issue. We just have to imagine Sel has a really weird crust that is low density.

I mean, it isn't like the title is trademarked at all. They can totally use the title for a different character. I also can totally see how it would rise independent of CR due to how much the title fits with the character and motifs.

Oh yeah, that's right. I was mixing that up with when Amaram joined them, I think. Because, yeah, that was a thing. My bad.

Thanks, exactly what I needed. Much appreciated.

Stormlight 5 preview spoilers, as one preview mentions this: While I wouldn't put it past him at all, the dude sucks. I don't think it was him doing it for any esoteric reason like the Sons of Honor, iirc, they didn't exist at the time, and also, Gavilar didn't really start looking into all of that until around a year before his death, as far as we know. So I don't think it was that. I also don't think it was Ivory bonding to her, as she was shown to be really freaked out by all of Ivory's shenanigans in the WoR prologue, which was 6 years before WoK, thus happened far after that. At most, she could have tried to bond, broke it off, and it is all hidden deep in her mind as some sort of dissociative amnesia of sorts to protect herself from trauma. On her being punished for being an atheist though, yeah, that is possible. Gavilar sucks enough to be the type to do that. But, I think it might be an actual manic episode, currently.

New question, I am looking for points in Way of Kings where they talk about hair spikes (often just called spikes), particularly when they mention a number of spikes. I need to find them for citations, as I know that said passages exist. One was Jasnah with six, if that helps.

Watsonian: I feel it would have been from tones due to the fact that the Listener's songs implied that it was broken by humans, and explicitly stated that they were broken by someone. The way they said it implies they are aware of a time when they were not broken. We also have had several characters notice the symmetry in the plains, Kaladin, Shallan, Nazh, and Khrissalla, to name a few. The "Loss of the land, the city that once covered it", it implies a singular and quick event that left it uninhabitable. If it were Erosion, I feel it would have been like that long before humanity came to Roshar. It also would be substantially slower than the song implies, and also wouldn't make such a symmetrical formation. We also know about the relation of tones, cymatics, and Dawncities, and the Shattered Plains are the location of a Dawncity. i feel it marks some connection that we are supposed to make. Doylist: I also don't know why they would put so much focus on the symmetry of the plains from multiple narrators, imply they were broken by supernatural means, talk about cymatics and symmetry's relation to the Oathgate Cities, and have the Shattered Plains contain one of said cities, if there was not an explanation that related back to those things. It all is really building up the idea that the Shattered Plains were broken by some kind of Tone. Also, it would be a good reflection of the destruction of Ashyn due to Surges. To show that humanity never actually learned and just wound up doing it again. Albeit on a smaller scale. Also, would be a really bad twist for it to turn out to literally just be natural erosion and nothing else, given all the foreshadowing and statements to the contrary. It would be just extraordinarily underwhelming. Due to this, I still stand by my own theory.

So, one thing I was concerned about is how habitable Sel would be at 1.5R and 1.2G, but it actually wouldn't be that bad, is what my research concluded. Okay, so first, the mass of such a planet would have to be 2.696246M to get the proper gravity at that radius, and the density would be 4.4044746136 g/cm3 (0.799 Earth's). This falls within the range of believably terrestrial and Earth-esque planets, with a rocky composition and liquid surface, at 0.5 < Planet Radius ≤ 1.6 Earth radii or 0.1 < Planet Minimum Mass ≤ 3, according to several sources. 1.5R and 2.69M puts it in the right range. It would also have an Earth Similarity Index (ESI) of 0.858578643763 (assuming equivalent stellar flux). So, it being as Earth-like as it is is reasonable with the known parametres. We can assume the atmosphere is fine, the higher gravity would still keep in the atmosphere, and as we can see, it does have the proper composition for life, so not much issue there. Gravity is also, in fact, okay. From what I can find, the maximum assumed gravity one can survive is 4G. 2G is also known to be survivable, but could have some issues if you don't properly adapt to it. But 1.2 is a lot less than that, and also, we know evolution happens very fast in the cosmere due to Investiture, and Sel is very Invested, so I can believe that they would, over the generations, adapt to be able to withstand the gravity of the planet. So that one is actually pretty fine. Not much issue with it. It would be rather uncomfortable, it would be around double to 3.6x the force you feel when a downward moving elevator starts slowing down, if I did the math correctly. But it would be survivable. Basically, I feel that the planet would be habitable from what we know about it. And I am excited to see what Brandon changes in Elantris 2 to better reflect the higher gravity, as he now has said gravity planned out when he probably didn't before. So I feel he would do things like clarify that the mountains aren't that tall, and the like. Would be neat.

I feel you misunderstand relativity. It is about the observation of simultaneity not being absolute. It means that events would appear to happen at different times due to the speed of light, and that it is hard to assign it exactly due to dilation, which is, in most cases, extremely minimal. So, relativity doesn't really contradict what I am doing, as we have a sort of absolute way to reference the occurrence of different events that isn't just like, observing an event at a distance and saying it happens concurrent to when you observe it. CR also isn't time travel, it would just create a weird scenario where the light reflected from you is still travelling. When you look at a different planet, you are not seeing its present, you are saying its past. Therefore, if you see events happening on it involving a figure that you can see in front of you, said individual did not travel through time, Also, you do not actually move faster than light, you just move in a place where the distance is shorter, but you still move at the same speed. I just have issues in general with the idea that FTL means time travel, as I feel it all comes down to people trying to argue that an event happens when the light hits you, and not when the event actually occurs. Like saying that when a meteor crashes on mars, and we see it ~4.16667 minutes later, that it actually did occur 4.16667 minutes after the meteor crashed. Which I feel is a strange leap in logic. I don't think you observing an effect before the cause violates causality, as you aren't seeing the events as they happen. Causality is not broken. I get the whole "no universal reference frame" as a result of dilation and such like, but I don't get the logical leaps they go through to say "well, the light hits us at different points, thus we must be in different points in the timeline." I have studied into relativity a lot, but this is one of the few things that I just find bizarre and based more around a very bizarre definition of time travel more than anything else. Like, another example, if a person sends an FTL signal from Earth to a person at, like, a station around TOI-1338b. How I see it, is that even though they would observe the sending of the signal after they actually receive it, it does not mean that they actually went back in time, it just means that they were observing light that was still travelling after it. It is like a delay on a website, just a very slow ping. So it isn't time travel, it is just going to be really confusing to observers as they can't trust what they observe to be an accurate depiction of the present time. Which is something we already deal with, with exoplanets being seen as far younger than they actually are due to the slow (relative to the distance), velocity of time. Now on it being impossible to actually go FTL, yeah, I agree with that as that fits with our observations pretty well, we have observed time dilation and everything. I totally buy that part and don't have much argument against it. But the level of time dilation with the things we are talking about is so absolutely infinitesimal that it would literally take billions of years to be anything noteworthy. And, even despite all of this, it isn't relevant as the CR isn't FTL, so the physical impossibility of FTL isn't that relevant. Furthermore, the cosmere is a fictional universe with its own cosmology so he could just define it as possible without time travel via the CR, while still maintaining several different parts of SR (not Spiritual Realm, Special Relativity) and GR. Sorry for the ramble, I just am not a fan of the idea that FTL means time travel due to the light arrives at an observer coming after they receive the message and such. I don't really want to argue on this, I like to avoid things that frustrate me (depression and GAD make it a bad idea to engage too much) so we can move on. : )

MAG is not canon, no. Brandon said we can personally choose to see parts as canon as long as they don't contradict the book. But that it is not official canon.

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I don't think the Steel Lines are directly applying the force in the exact way you are thinking about. As, for example, they aren't actually Physical things. They moreso just mark out the direction that the force is applied, instead of applying the force themselves. I don't think multiple metal sources (not just steel, any metal), would help. That would imply the multiplication of force beyond what they pull in from Preservation. As they pull in Investiture from Preservation, and that is converted into energy that it used to push or pull on metal. Thus, at most, you are splitting apart the same amount of force into multiple separate blows. Edit: Also, you seem to have posted this topic twice. Please try to avoid that in the future. It is not too big a deal, so don't be alarmed.

Maybe, but...

I did the equations for it, of what should be required to send the safe door flying, and it would be an absurdly small amount, it was like, something in the ballpark of 0.00001% or so, iirc. Likely less.

Did it as I planned to add more Yumi stuff later, I haven't been working on this for a bit because I have been off this forum for a bit, taking a break. We don't know the exact time it takes place, current plans are that it is after White Sand but before Mistborn Era 1. But Brandon said that he might have to change it up if the timeline doesn't work out properly once more crossover begins to occur. The thing is, gravitational time dilation on planets is absurdly minor. Earth is 0.9999999993 Seconds per 1 Second (Scadrial would be the same). Roshar would be 0.9999999996. Sel would be 0.9999999987 (not accounting for the dilation due to the Dor). So, that wouldn't be too relevant. Gravitational Time Dilation only becomes something you have to worry about when you are dealing with like, black holes and the like. I did include the difference in year length between Roshar and other planets, and just approximated all other year lengths to be equal, as Brandon said most planets have a very close year length. If the years were different, I would include that. It is annoying to deal with, but rather easy to account for. Unless you mean how we technically see the past as we look up into the sky. But that isn't exactly that relevant to this as there are methods to travel between planets in cosmere via the CR. But in our world, yeah, it wouldn't really work as all we would have is observation of "old light" of sorts.

Yeah, Chinese had a lot of influence on early Japanese and Korean. A ton of loan words, and all three Japanese scripts descend from Chinese Hanji. Because, fun fact, Hanji were once used for their phonetic value, like how Chinese transcribes foreign words nowadays. It was a mess and very hard to read, and over time the main Hanji used were simplified, becoming Hiragana and Katakana. Korean actually did the exact same thing before, known as Hanja, in began in the Gojoseon period. However, Hangul is not descended from it, and was actually a constructed script instead of one that was born out of script evolution. Because, fun fact, a ton of scripts are all descended from the same script, that being Egyptian Hieroglyphics, which became Proto-Sinaitic, which became Phoenician, which began to really spread out across Europe and Asia. To the extent that if you find any script in Europe, the Middle East, or western Asia (mostly the Indian subcontinent), chances are it came from Phoenician. It is fascinating. Indian scripts (Like Devanagari and Avestan. And of course all of the intermediary states between Brahmi and Devanagari like Siddham and Gupta) tend to descend from Aramaic, which was a different branch from most of the very European scripts (Like Cyrillic, Greek, and Latin) are their own branch. Abjadiya and Alefbet Ivri also descend from Aramaic, which explains a lot of the similarities between the two and Devanagari, like a lack of vowels. Though this manifests in different ways, with Abjadiya and Ivri being abjads and Devanagari being an Abugida. But Abjads can easily develop into Abugidas. Sorry for the ramble. I find linguistics fascinating.

I agree with your point, but I will note that Greek, Latin, and German, while in different minor families (Hellenic, Italic, and Germanic respectfully), are actually part of the same major family (Indo-European), while Korean and Japanese are basically universally accepted as entirely separate, being the Koreanic and Japonic-Ryukyuan families. So not the best comparison. And yes, we don't know how many different ethnic groups came from Ashyn. We also shouldn't use the demographics of the Heralds to determine it, as they are just ten out of what is probably a several million.

Actually, there is a lot more evidence. Like she talks about her mother's bravery, and Bravery is an attribute of Chanarach. They also talk a lot about her soul, and the Soul is the body focus associated with Chanarach. And, SA5 Prologue spoilers But, it doesn't mean that two Heralds are dead. In fact, I think Chana is alive, but went to Damnation. She then broke and allowed the True Desolation to come. Which would give a further meaning behind Shallan believing she brought the world to its doom. It would also mean Shallan becomes more traumatized. There was also the fact that they avoid questions about Shallan's mother, and about if she was a Herald, even in ways that seem to actively be playful. There is just a lot to it. I believe it to just be canon. I just can't imagine it not being true.