Firesong

So, we know a lot of creatures on Roshar have purple blood, and I think I know exactly what it is. Hemerythrin, it is a purple-pink coloured blood (when oxygenated), which is found in a large amount of marine invertebrates, which we know Rosharan lifeforms are based on. It is actually very strange and interesting, and I do definitely feel that this is the kind of blood that Rosharan lifeforms have. Except for the Parshendi, as we see they have a more orange blood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemerythrin Parshendi might be Pinnaglobin, which is a more brown colour. Less sure on that one.

A lot of things, I am very excited to learn where the Shin Oathgate is, learn more about Shin language and culture; learn more about BAM, who I believe was originally a Bondsmith Spren born from a combination of reasons, including this: I believe she was basically The Sibling, before being turned into a servant of Odium, and that The Sibling was made to replace her after her turn. I have a lot of reasons, but this isn't the place. I also want to learn more about the Recreance, to see how the Contest of Champions goes (I think very badly), see more about El and his weirdness, Szeth flashbacks, Zellion, Kaladin's Fifth Oath (which I feel would be in the book, just makes sense), learning more about several Unmade (which would play a big role due to the fact several are in Shinovar), and so much more. I am just so excited for basically everything in the book. I can't think of much I am not looking forward to.

As others said, it was made as a system for the Cosmere, that is why it is so Cosmere-esque. Even the Chalklings and Shadowblazes and the like were meant to be Spiritual Realm beings pulled into the Physical Realm, that's why they hate and fear time so much. But Brandon really liked how everything worked with the world he created, but also knew he didn't want any version of Earth in the cosmere as a major axiom of sorts. Thus he decided it ultimately had to be non-cosmere. Basically, it isn't cosmere because he says it isn't, it isn't in any star system in the cosmere, nor does it exist in the same cosmology in general. As Lews Therin mentioned, it is indeed rather disappointing that it isn't cosmere, as I quite like the magic system and it works well into the cosmere. But it also wouldn't really work any more, as I don't think it would work too well with any of the Shards that we have left. I do wonder what Shard Rithmatics would be of if it was Cosmere. We should ask Brandon what Shard he was planning to use for it, at Dragonsteel 2023 or something. I am very interested to find out.

On the Wyrn and such, it is 100% gonna be answered in Elantris 2. As Elantris 2 is going to have way more focus on Fjorden and Jaddeth and such, from what Brandon has discussed about his plans for the book. It is going to have a lot of focus on Kaise and Adien, and deal with the return of Jaddeth. He also says it would start dealing with things that need to be set into canon by the time of Era 3 Mistborn, which leaves me curious about what begins to happen. I still hold by my fan theory that Elantris 3 ends with the Dor being returned to the Spiritual Realm, and it either being taken by one Vessel, or two. The reasons just have to deal with how important he says the story is, and with some details that I will put in spoilers: (Tress Spoilers, and very mild Mistborn and Stormlight) Unrelated, but I am happy he plans to improve the way he writes Adien in Elantris 2, with his greater skill with the subject and access to people who can guide him. As, Adien is probably my least favourite part of Elantris 1. It isn't malicious or anything, he says he meant well but was just ignorant, and I believe him as I feel his major improvements on that front prove the truth of that statement, but was not the best representation.

Especially as we know that the 17th Shard and Ire have some communication between each other. And the 17th Shard is very interested in Hoid. I feel that does give her reason to know of him. I feel the Ire would also have their own reasons to be interested in him. So, yeah.

Nah, Sunlight is definitely just Chach. Both deal with fire and heat. I feel we just haven't seen the counterpart of Midnight yet. Nor do we have any reason to think they would necessarily be opposites. Also, note, these are just names given to them by humans, having opposite names doesn't mean they are actually opposites. And, seeing the traits of both, I would argue that they aren't opposites, their effects are quite unrelated. Production of heat and light, versus the creation of entities out of Midnight Essence which one can control and "possess." Seem very different from one another.

Something recently released on Twitter. But I can't find it now. Strange. I do hope that the Spoiler Q&A does get some good recordings and some good answers. I have been looking forward to what more we learn when it eventually comes.

I believe that Midnight and another one fit outside of the ten. That it is 10 Essences and 2 special ones.

AoN Spoilers

I saw the update on the panels for Dragonsteel, and it seems the two most likely ones would have a lot of pretty important information on the cosmere (Dragons and Hoid's Magic Systems). Do we have a method of recording information from panels? As I am not going to Dragonsteel, and I don't want to miss out on any information from it, nor have any information revealed not be addable to the wiki.

(Unfinished, so if you only want to see it finished, it isn't ready yet. Just late so I have to stop for now)

White Sand stuff Update on Roshar, I did some testing to see how the ocean currents should work, and as it is south of the equator, the Purelake region would indeed get warm breezes flowing from the equator, and Jah Keved would likely get the cooler breezes as they flow back up towards the equator. The region east of the Unclaimed Hills should receive warm breezes as well. I found this Which I converted in Rosharan degrees, and this would make Aimia cold. But The Makabaki coast hotter. Both in the West. And in the East, we would get colder coastlines down by the Frostlands and Aimia, and warmer ones up by the Unclaimed Hills. Although Northern Alethkar would likely be getting colder winds from a cell north to it. And from the cold winds rising from the Reshi sea. (Which, as I noted, would be warmed around the Purelake area) This all fits with the science as I understand it, and also seems to match very well with the map. Honestly surprising.

Yeah, the one I have the most issue with is Taldain. Which has a lot of accurate bits, like the stark difference in temperature between sides, and how that would create a massive storm between them due to pressure differences, and all of that. But it does underestimate the difference for plot reasons, as he wants both sides to be habitable. It does help that he has somebody with an astronomy degree (Peter has a minor in Astronomy, I think). It does also help that things like Roshar are pretty young in a geographic and astronomical sense. As Roshar's moons are definitely not stable on a large timescale. But they are stable on the timescale of the cosmere, being only a bit over 10,000 years. Also, as an extra note, I do love how he actually brings up how impossible Tai-na and such are in the books, by talking about how even scholars are confused about how they don't collapse under their own weight. As, yeah, even mixing together their aquatic nature, lower gravity, and higher oxygen, they are still impossible. And I also love the fact he made it low gravity and high oxygen in the first place, as that is perfect for megaflora and megafauna. It also makes Urithiru more feasible. It was all-in-all just a very clever choice. What I do wonder is how hot Ashyn must have been. I did the calculations of where Roshar should be in orbit, and it would force Ashyn to be close enough to the star to likely be out of the Habitable Zone. If my assumption of solar mass was accurate. Here is my little thread on it. But, from the short piece we have on Silence Divine, Ashyn does seem like it was genuinely just a hot place. As I don't think it would still be that hot on the surface from the Surgebinding alone. I think it possibly also comes from the closeness to the sun. Braize being uninhabitably cold is perfectly feasible with my maths. It would definitely be quite cold. Maybe uninhabitably so if it is far enough from Roshar. But it would be uninhabitable anyway due to a very thin atmosphere. Which would be hard (or impossible) to breathe in, and would retain less heat than a planet with a thicker atmosphere. As atmospheres are very important for heat retention. There is a reason Venus has a surface temperature of 475 C (900 F), and it is due to the thick carbon dioxide and sulfuric acid smog. This is the reason why the calculation for surface temperature of a planet (a bit too complex to put here as I don't know how to do math formatting on this forum, but I will try) (I couldn't include it as it considers greek letters to be emojis, I guess, so I can't include the steffan-boltzmann constant) seems so inaccurate. As it doesn't account for any greenhouse effects or anything. It is just the temperature a planet with little to no atmosphere would experience at a certain distance from a star of a specific luminosity. Like, for Earth, it would be 256 K or around -17 C (1.4 F). Which we can observe is very inaccurate. If my math is right, Roshar would be 261.815853715 K or -11.334146284999 C or 11.598536687 F (yeah, surprisingly close to the absolute value of C, if you are curious, it is exactly equal to the absolute value at -80/7 or -11.4285714286 C). On it being higher, this is due to the fact that the star is larger, and thus hotter (although this proportionality gets weird with really massive stars, but it works at the smaller end). Thus, despite being further away, it does experience slightly more heat. Also, this is assuming albedo of 0.29, which is equal to Earth. The fact it is has more water than Earth, and a greater water-to-land ratio, the albedo is likely different.

I remember he talked about it a bit. He said that he basically makes a very basic outline for every book in a series. Which is just a few events that he knows would definitely need to happen. Like, "Wit kills Dalinar in late Book 7 in a debate over chouta seasoning" (not an actually thing, of course, just made it up), and then when he writes the book, he creates a much more in-depth outline, which goes down to including more detail, and more specific events, and such. Basically, it is like: So, he would be able to pretty quickly make an outline for a later book as it is the most significant events, and general ideas. Instead of being massive and extensively detailed right off the bat.

Yes, but it is very clear that it has specific wind cells that are indented, and I can find explanations for everything. This whole thread wasn't saying it is impossible, it was thinking of how it is actually reasonable and possible. It all makes sense, and that was what I was trying to point out. I think you just missed the point of what I was saying, no offense.

True, true. It wouldn't necessarily be a desert. I mostly just meant like, devoid of life. I do definitely see the confusion as that is definitely not an accurate way I worded that.

Yeah, I mentioned the lack of tilt and how hot it would make the Reshi Isles. But how it would be a bit cooler than if Earth had no tilt, due to being further from their sun. It would still be rather unbearable to most people on Earth, though. I brought it up as it would likely be a desert, but the fact they are islands surrounded by a sea on a planet with what I think was like, 85% water, iirc. Which would keep it humid, instead of turning all dry. And I did also bring up that winds from the Reshi sea would warm up and bring more humidity to eastern and central Roshar. With Makabak being blocked off by the mountains, thus leaving the moisture captured on one side, making it even more lively on the opposite side. This is what I brought up as an explanation for Shinovar being so lively. With a cell in the north across that straight, which gets captured by the Misted mountains as it moves back north, which would be the reason why they are misty

So, according to Coppermind. But, the thing is, I feel it wouldn't be accurate to call it tropical. As if it was in the tropical region, Jah Keved and Alethkar would also be Tropical. I think instead it comes down to the high humidity making it feel more tropical. As humidity makes lower temperatures feel much hotter, due to the Heat Index. For example, humidity around the Caspain Sea is 75-80%. This would increase the perceived temperature, increasing it. And I feel that the temperature would be significantly higher, without it being tropical. It would also experience winds blowing from the Reshi Sea. It is actually the Reshi Sea and Endless Ocean that I feel make western Roshar so lively compared to the East. Alethkar is blocked off by the Unclaimed Hills. Others are able to get humid winds from the Reshi Sea and Endless Ocean. Makabak is blocked from it by the mountains surrounding it. Shinovar likely captures winds moving southeast and northwest, which get caught in the area due to the Misted Mountains, which is what makes the mountains so misty. I feel there is likely a cell in that straight north of Shinovar, which moves along the coast of Iri, southward into Shinovar, before curving back up and getting its moisture caught by the Misted Mountains. I feel it could also potentially have been caught continuing south, stripping moisture as it flows into Alm and Steen, while retaining some degree of moisture, allowing eastern Makabak to get more green than the rest of the region. Also, I feel that it does actually make sense for the Reshi isles to not be deserts despite the lack of axial tilt. As they are smallish islands surrounded by a ton of water. Which I feel would be able to keep the humidity up and prevent it from just having everything die. We also know the planet would necessarily be further away from the sun, which would cool down the experienced temperature as per the inverse square law.

I forgot it had that feature, thanks! Although I am not the biggest fan of the map they used, I prefer the OB map, it still does give what I want. So thanks.

I have a request for an edit to these map images: Wherein they are placed over one another, with one made more transparent so that we can see the national boundaries on both maps at once. I really want to use this to be able to see the exact changes in territory between the two eras. But I don't have the knowledge or tools to know how to overlap them like this. It would be very much appreciated, please and thank you.

Also, the Era of Solitude is 4500 (4950) years long, not 6000. But it is indeed the period between the Last Desolation and the True Desolation.

Where did you get this information? I have no memory of this being established anywhere. I am willing to be wrong, but this appears to just be a guess with the current information we have. We do not know the origins of the Ashynite humans.

This is a lie. You only have high standards of disproof, you have shown no high standards for proof. As you have yet to provide sufficient evidence for your own idea, and assume it so apodictically true that we can only possibly disagree if we misinterpret it. It is very much a double standard, you provide little evidence, whilst expecting such absurd levels of evidence from us that even explicit statements are not sufficient. To be honest, it feels like an argumentum ob obstinatum mixed with moving the goalpost. And then when we don't agree, you resort to ad hominid claims that we are arguing in bad faith solely due to the fact we do not agree with your claims. I have seen no evidence to convince me that Brandon and the Books are both incorrect about how the systems work, such extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, extraordinary evidence that you have failed to provide. We will be willing to question our own position if you are to provide convincing evidence for your point, that just, so far, as not been happening. To such an extent that it seems that you have provided no evidence for your claim, and simply, as I said before, take it as apodictic. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy, but we are not giving into argumentum ad populum (you could accuse us of argumentum ad verecundiam, but in this case, the authority is actually an undeniably valid source of information), instead we are making a logical assumption from all of the evidence provided. I feel also that you are not treating our claims with the same respect and consideration we are treating yours. I am taking in your claims and going over all of the implications of the claim, and what they would suggest. Yes, I am also giving evidence that disproves it, but I am still looking at how it would all work and seeing if it does work. I feel you are not providing us the same care, and are simply rejecting our evidence outright. Please, just try actually giving evidence for your claims. Furthermore, you now seem like you just wish to argue. As you are actively ignoring any and all requests to drop this subject. It is quite bothersome, and to be perfectly honest it is starting to annoy me, so I apologize if my tone is getting more frustrated.

Yeah, I disagree completely that he is Hoed. But I agree completely that it likely works on similar fundamental mechanics and principles.

One thing I do agree on is about Hemalurgy being very weird amongst Invested Arts. I still think that it is an Invested Art, but I do agree with them that it is strange amongst them. Due to the fact that it doesn't require you to use your own Investiture, but uses the Investiture from within the victim. So I disagree with the conclusion, but the premise is right, it is indeed strange amongst them. And also, to both of you, we are definitely not going to be getting anywhere. As the evidence we are providing is not convincing you, and this is a massive tangent from the topic of the thread. To go back to the topic of the thread itself. I do disagree with the idea of each Shard having 16 Invested Arts. As Alder has brought up, we know that Preservation has 32, basically. Ruin would also have 32. As you have 16 Allomancy, 16 Feruchemy, and 16 Hemalurgy. With them both having the Feruchemical arts. Brandon has stated there are not 10 Surges, as 10 is important to Roshar, and Invested Arts are heavily influced by the interaction between a Shard and a planet. While 16 is very important in the cosmere in general. It appearing in the Metallic Arts isn't really indicative of that, it instead comes from Preservation (and likely Ruin) being deeply tied to 16. My fan theory is that it is due to Scadrial being made up of their own essence. (different from God Metals, so my theory is they used their Investiture, converted it into energy, and than converted that energy into mass. Thus it was I > E > M, not the I > M of GMs) But I can't exactly prove this. I am not sure how this would apply to systems such as Awakening, as Awakening is just one system that is far more open-ended, less module and organized. So it is harder to actually try and divide it up and count it. On the topic of Triple God Metal Alloys. We simply don't have enough information to guess what would happen, we have only seen 3 God Metal Alloys (or 13, depending on how you count them), these being Malatium, Atium + Electrum, and Shardblades. Technically Malatium might be a triple alloy, but the Atium could have been refined and purified, and then the pure atium is mixed with the gold. Shardblades are technically 10 different alloys, with different amounts of Honor and Cultivation. But we don't seen any notable changes in properties, so I count them as 1 alloy in terms of how they function cosmerologically. It might be relevant in Era 3 as Brandon said he plans to go into God Metal Alloys in Era 3.