JohnnyKaizen

But in Gav's case, it was the other way around. Though for that, there was the direct meddling of a Shard involved. So I don't know that that's actually a valid point, beyond the fact that they could be experiencing super slow time, but probably aren't based on what I've read above.

I've somehow never heard of the Harkness Test before today (Fun fact, Cap'n Jack was named after Marvel character, Agatha Harkness, and I am confident that she uses the same rules lol) I love me some Cap'n Jack. I'd also love to see any sort of a crossover where Jack and Agatha run into each other because that would be hilarious.

There is precedence for a high investiture being, not being able to see past certain objects in Mistborn:

You know, I'm starting to think Experience might be it.

Same. So what would be a command higher than, or more complete than, Create? That’s what’s got me stumped atm.

In WaT, we get the scene where Wit and Rysn end up in the same room together, and the Dawnshards want to slam together violently (which we then get some description of how "pink mist" is incoming) and Wit/Hoid (doing what I think it the coolest single thing I've seen him do to date) commands the Dawnshards "No." and the stop and he leaves. At the time, I focused on the novelty of the meeting, of what almost happened, what the meeting might mean for Rysn and Wit/Hoid in the coming Eras, but what I didn't think of was, what would the two Dawnshards become if they had merged? We've seen Sazed take on the name of Harmony and Taravangian take on the name Retribution. Would the two separate Dawnshards merge and similarly take on a new command derived from the two? And if so..what is all 4 of them combined? What is the command of Creation?

It is? Because of all the avatars? Am I missing something else? I would be excited if that's the case, but I hadn't thought that was happening.

I would assume, based on the info we have, that doing so would require one or more (possibly all 4) Dawnshards. If it can be accomplished with less than 4 (most conveniently 1, even if that meant the "right" 1) then clearly not Harmony or Retribution. There are several Shards in hiding. There are those that have been "destroyed" and (probably) not sapient enough to do anything about it, and there's Shards with Vessels, and I can't think of any that wouldn't have "Don't get re-shattered" way up high on their priorities list. So of those, I guess Devotion, Dominion, and Ambition as the most possible atm. And if any of the others are in such a state that someone, or a group of someones, could take a Dawnshard (or all of them) to do the deed, then they'd be on that list too.

Ahhh, I vaguely was remembering that, but now that I've read the quote, I was focusing on the wrong parts of that passage at the time and I suppose.

All definitely possible. If I had to pick one of those, it would be entirely on feel and it would be "They didnt want it to happen but saw Far Enough, all the way to the end of the whole Cosmere Saga (era 4 ending, etc) and decided the eventual outcome of the Shattering would be the Better End." I would like to think that Ado consented in the Shattering for a good reason. It's possible that's not at all the case, but I'd like to think it was until proven otherwise. That feels right to me.

Not super important, but with the WoB you shared and this...that would mean that after the Recreance, people would have been trying to find ways to decorate the Shardblades they ended up with, because they would have known that they could be different colors, shapes, textures, etc. I like to imagine a lot of failed attempts until somebody somewhere put a gemstone on it and inadvertently figured out how to bond the dead blade. I probably should have realized that a long time ago, but I didn't and it's cool to have a more fleshed out understanding of how that went down.

Furthering that line of thought, if you mount steel and iron onto a blade, does that become part of the blade? You've talked about removing and reapplying the metal, but could the metal be summoned and dismissed along with the blade? If it can, I really hope the spren show back up in the Cr with some eyebrows, ears, lips pierced. Get some tougher looking spren in the CR <--That's mostly a joke.

I feel like I just recently read a WoB where he talked specifically about Adonalsium "having personality" and that's why the Shards split into what they did. Now, personality doesn't necessarily mean personhood, as Brandon does love to be sneaky with vocabulary and definitions from time to time...but...as of now, I am operating under the assumption that Ado did have full personhood to go along with those traits of personality. I don't know if they had a vessel or if they were sapient investiture (which I hope was the case, as it would be less murder-y) but the farther into the Cosmere we go, the more I think Ado was a person. If for no other reason than how much the Shards themselves long for a vessel..and in the absence of one..become their own.

I had thought that Ado made the Dawnshards, but now that I think about it, I'm not actually sure about that.

The theme of today seems to be simple concepts I've never really thought about. How does a gemstone disappear and reappear with a deadeye blade? Where does the gemstone go? Is there a representation of it in the CR? What exactly are gemstones that they can do that, because iirc, they often are dun when summoned or dismissed?