Yumiya

Yes he did. He also said this:

There has been a lot of talk about who Trell is, what Trellium is, and where the corruption is coming from. Lots of theories center around Autonomy, Harmony and Odium. Here is a very different take. The TLDR: Trell is an avatar (one of several/many?) of Adonalsium who survived the shattering. Trellium is actually the original upper-case God Metal, aka the lost metal. But it has been corrupted. The group that recruits Marasi is the 17th shard. Ok, lets unpack that just a bit. What is an avatar and who can make one? So lower-case-g gods can make avatars, which would imply that the upper-case-g God could have made them too. We know that Trell is related to a shard, and that Sanderson has referred to an avatar as a Shard of Adonalsium (though he was referring to Patji in relation to Autonomy there). We know that other shards have created avatars and that avatars can form naturally as well. So Adonalsium before the shattering had numerous avatars across the worlds, who survived the shattering. We have heard mention of them as "Thousand Eyes of Trell", which were not stars, but avatars of Ado. They continued about their business of nurturing peoples across the cosmere, some as gods, some as lowly "humans", etc. Until one becomes corrupted, likely by Odium, though possibly through the imbalance of intents as various shards are shattered and the remaining shard's intents sway the cosmere. Fast forward a bit to Era 2. We have a corrupted Trell/Avatar who knew the location of some Adonalsium - the solid metal kind. This still exists despite the shattering, in the same way Attium still exists post Harmony, more simply not created. He decides to put himself, his power back together. The biggest threat to that is the shard on Scadial that is already 2 intents, Harmony who is Preservation and Ruin combined. Hence the Set. Why do I think Trellium is Adonalsium? The properties Wax discovers. Shards are related to color, but the "Trellium" spike projects a full spectrum when burnt under a spectroscope, except for the red which is the color of corruption. I believe when Wax states that the test is proof that it is a god metal, I believe he is referring to the excessive red spike. Harmonium probably has something similar due to the dual nature. The reaction between the two metals seen at the end of Chapter 13 could be the Trellium trying to merge, reintegrate the Harmonium, something that would be very inline with Harmony's intent. Now why the 17th shard. The 17th shard has a pretty strong non-intervention policy, and seems to desire the shards to follow suit. I think they want to prevent the re-combining of the shards, given their pursuit of Hoid, who seems to be collecting powers of all the shards. Now they want to help against Trell who might be doing the same. Additionally, the group that recruits Marasi are "offworlders with strange abilities who claim their goal is to protect Scadrial… at any cost." A WOB describes the 17th shard as "interested parties who do not want any planets to get destroyed." Plus, they were name "Deliberately". Edit: Forgot to mention Wayne's Joke and the scale out of 17 instead of 16. Think it might be fore shadowing.

Harmony largely is for free will, to the point of being unable to act. He does have agents like Kandra, but they are not forced. They choose to serve. Why do you think Harmony is the antithesis of Autonomy?

Coinshots and Lurchers are more likely to be able to detect caves by looking for absences of trace metals in the earth. Or maybe in conjunction with a seismograph, map the vibrations of metals in the earth and notice the lack? Though if we want to go RL, reflection seismology was developed in 1914 with a mechanical seismograph to detect salt domes and hence oil fields (Wikipedia has a decent article on it) . Microgravity surveys came a couple of decades later (cool article if that is your wheel house link). All in all, scientists are still researching the best way to locate caverns.

Calling it now. The Lost Metal, is actually the god metal of the 17th shard. A shard that is made up of fragments of pure Adonalsium not on Yolen during the shattering.

But we are not talking about a CS controlling another CS/Spren/Seon. We are talking about a shard's vessel controlling a living being who has been spiked and is now off world. Can Endowment create a Returned of someone in a different solar system? We know Returned can live in different invested areas, but do not know if they can be created elsewhere. Can Cultivation grant boons/banes outside her clearing? Shards seem to have limitations inside other shard's domains. I think a Kandra on a world invested with a different shard would have "interference" in their connection to Harmony. I mean, what else could be happening in Bilming, other than shardic interference?

Do we know how far Harmony can exert control? If cognitive shadows have trouble leaving their shard's area of investiture, how far does the shard's power extend? Seems like Odium and Cultivation cannot really do much outside the Rosharan system. So can Harmony actually control Kandra outside his system? If not, that means Trell is physically in system...

Scardial. While it would require completely unethical mistborn, you could set something up like this using Koloss instead of robots and it depends if you think Koloss are able bodied sapients. Also, if the mistborn were competent enough, you might get huge robots controlled using steal pushes and iron pulls. In all reality though, their technology is most similar to ours, with electricity and such. It is probably only a matter of time till they build battlebots. I mean, we are already doing so... https://megabots.com/ You almost already have this on Roshar with dueling, so long as both opponents have shardplate and the loser is the one to first break a piece (not the to the death version).

I find this unlikely. Ruin and Preservation have already merged to make Harmony. Autonomy wants to stay as just Autonomy and would probably actively avoid a situation where it would merge with another shard. Likewise, Odium would avoid merging. He doesn't NEED to in order to become more powerful, infact being merged can greatly hamper the new shard as we see with Harmony. Plus Honor is already splintered, so he would have to be reformed before he could be merged. Also, dual shards like Harmony come about when multiple shards are in the same place and don't have a Vessel. A new Vessel then picks up both shards. So for this to happen for a tri-shardic enity (other than one that includes Harmony) would require three vessels to die in close proximity to each other and there be a new vessel will to pick up and merge three potential conflicting shards.

I am not seeing the division quite the same way (btw have you read the SP3 preview yet?). I don't feel that dominion, survival or whimsy are actually emotions. The way I think of it is the shards can be divided into pairs of opposites. Mercy (granting forgiveness even when rules are broken) vs Honor (following the rules regardless of situation) Survival (choosing to protect your self over others) vs Valor (risking your life for others) Whimsy (doing something just because) vs Ambition (doing something for a goal) External Shard Pairs: Endowment (handing others a solution) vs Cultivation (helping others find the solution on their own) Dominion (controlling others) vs Autonomy (controlling yourself) Ruin (destroying) vs Preservation (preventing destruction) Odium (hatred) vs Devotion (love) Why? Rayse claims to be Passion, which is defined as strong and barely controllable emotion.

Painter's World: Hion Lines: Two lines of energy (one teal and one fuscia) that flow through the sky that are used to power the world instead of electricity. They can be manipulated into specific shapes. They are strong enough that they are used for trains between cities (aka the only places that have enough Hion to push back the shroud) Nightmares: Inky beings that feed on the terror of humans, able to sense emotions and thoughts. They come from the Shroud that covers the planet and gain strength every time they feed on terror. If they have not feed enough times, they have to return to the shroud to survive. They start out formless, but start to take on the shape of humans' nightmares. They can go through walls unless they have feed enough times to gain real substance. Painters: Artists who are trained to trap nightmares in their paintings. This seems to work on perception. The painter looks at the nightmare and tries to find a harmless object that reasonably could be similar to the nightmare. As they paint this image, the nightmare slowly changes to match the painting, then melting away. Painters are not unique in that anyone can be trained, even someone from off planet. This art can also affect other entities like spren or seons, but Painter does not have the extra power to do this. Yumi's World: Chosen: Chosen are individuals that are chosen at birth by the spirits, or really by some omen that the people believe is from the spirits. There are many rituals that Chosen perform, but if they actually influence anything is unknown. They do perform one ritual that seems to be the actual magic. They artistically stack rocks in intricate patterns that seem to draw spirits. They then negotiate with spirits using mental images. This process seems to drain the Chosen. Once stacked, the stones will not topple until the spirits are released, generally about 5-10 years. Spirits: Balls of blue or orange light that are attracted by a Chosen's display of artistry, aka rock stacking. Once attracted they can be persuaded to transform as a reward for such a good display of artistry, by dividing in half and producing some sort of opposite. For example light: divides into a ball dark on one side and light on the other. Lifting Spirit: divides into two statues one pushing up and one pushing down. Note that both Yumi and Painter are the same basic system as one another, just in different applications. And, there a connection between between these arts and trapping spren in fabrials. (per a WOB). Actual investiture related mechanics are largely unknown, though other threads on this forum have put forth some theories.

So I gather what you are saying is that even though each order's blades are technically a different proportion of god-metal, they all act and look the same? I do think that Nightblood and Azure's blade are very distinctly different, in that they were normal metal infused with investiture instead of being the manifestation of pure investiture. That would make direct comparisons suspect. In particular, Nightblood's consumption of investiture is not shared by shardblades. Nor do non-living shardblades talk to non Radiants (yes, yes, Mara does talk but that is not normal), where as Nightblood was (as far as we know) never a sentient being before his creation as a sword.

If the shardblades are spren manifesting as solid metal investiture, why do they look and act all alike? Some spren seem to be purely of Honor and others purely of Cultivation and others a mixture of the two. Wouldn't a pure Honor-godmetal blade show some sign of being different than a pure Cultivation-godmetal blade and both of those different than an alloy? It feels like we are missing something here.

There is a WoB that goes into this in more detail. The TLDR version is the holding a Dawnshard, even briefly, will have a permanent effect on you, will warp your soul. It is this change that Nomad has named a Torment. Hoid had similar changes, though to a lesser degree and does not consider them a torment. Other holders might even consider the changes a blessing, perhaps Rysn who now has something similar to the Third Heightening. Personally, I think that the degree of change will increase the more invested the holder of the Dawnshard is and how long you hold it for. Rysn has seen very minor changes and is not invested. Hoid had more extreme changes, placing his possession much earlier, before he acquired so many magical arts. Nomad has the worst changes we have seen so far, leading me to believe he either held the Dawnshard for a very long time or he gained immensely in power before holding it, potentially becoming a hearld, bonding multiple spren, or fully merging with his spren. (Or maybe there are actually more ideals than the original Radiants could swear to due to limitations imposed by Honor, say a total of 10)?

Granted, but you can only change peoples minds to the opposite of what you truly believe. Ie if you believe deep in your heart that the earth is round, you can only change peoples minds to believe that it is flat. I wish people would go back to written tutorials with diagrams when posting tutorials online instead of youtube or facebook like videos.

Hmm.. The original probably would not have, given as you say men wrote at the time. It was originally in Dawnchant, given the conversation Dalinar had with Nohadon was the proof Navani used to prove the visons true as one of his sentences matched one in the Analectics. So the text probably saw a couple of translations and numerous transcriptions. Additionally, Jasnah in one of her earliest published works claimed "More disturbingly, modified copies of ancient texts were made, aligning history to match Hierocratic dogma." The Way of Kings, being one of the oldest know texts, was probably modified in this way. Undertexts seem to be expected in modern books. I assume that once that tradition began, whoever transcribed new copies added to or modified the existing undertexts, as a way of putting their mark on history. Those may have been lengthy, like the one Jasnah promised to write for Dalinar's book. Regardless, each book would have been unique, a piece of art. That is something most of us in the world of the printing press often forget. We have different editions of books, but copies of the same edition will be the same. That is not true when paper is expensive and books are written by hand. How big the book would depend on the size of the hand writing, content of undertext, quality of paper and numerous other variables.

I don't think we see Taln when he first appears. There is a WOB saying it was a couple of months, though that is only WOB Canon

Do remember that Jasneh probably didn't read him the subtext only for women. That means the book would be much larger that a traditional hardcopy of 8 hours in today's printing methods.

How are bonds different than connection?

That might actually work. We know that Kaladin's depression was passed to Syl after Dalinar increased their connection. If emotional states, why not investiture effects?

That is not the impression I got. The heralds do not have superhero bodies and there is definitely a change to those who except Fused into their gem hearts. Maybe I missed something?

Or just take a ship in with you... If clothes and normal swords can go, so can the lumber for a ship.

What would you call Hemalurgically spiking someone then rioting or soothing them would be? While I acknowledge that this is not through Raysium, it is a precedent for control through investiture, up to and including using investiture. I would think that other systems would have similar (if currently unrevealed) systems. Would Fused count? Their host bodies did not consent the specific usage of investiture as their minds were already gone before the Fused tried to use it.

Does that matter if they are in a silver circle?

There are some other considerations as well. One, the forger has to be from MaiPon, so they would only know about Allomancy from Worldhoppers or going off world themselves. I don't really see forgers wanting to go off world as they would loose their ability forge (though maybe they could create a city in the cognitive realm the same way the Elantrians did in MSH). I suppose they could meet a worldhopping allomancer, but the intricacies of a culture where Allomancy is common place would be hard to learn well enough for such a perfect soulstamp if it was gained second hand. Two, the forgery would only work on Sel, maybe only close enough to MaiPon. The newly foraged Allomancer would be restricted to these areas, else revert to their original selves. That severely limits the possible sources of investiture to fuel the forgery as the Dor does not seem a probable fuel source. Three, most of the ways that people acquire investiture would be overwritten by the application of an Allomancy soulstamp. For instance, if you tried to apply it to a radiant, you would remove the part of their history where they gained the investiture in the first place, unless you trues to spin it as someone with Scadrian descent was both a Radiant and an Allomancer. Likewise, it would seem hard to believe that someone with sufficent Scadrian blood to be an Allomancer also spent enough time on Nalthis gathering breath and then decided to travel to Sel. Working out the backstory would be painfully tedious and still probably would not be any better than the backstories that Mat Cauthon liked to devise. The best bet I can think of is design the soul stamp for someone who legitimately would have access to a large amount of investiture, which limits who you could apply the stamp on. Note I am basing this on the fact that it is easier to change a Radiant's order than to break their bond or turn someone into a radiant.