Aeternum

I'll play

I can pinch hit as usual

I can pinch hit.

(Can pinch hit as always if needed)

Subs in -> has 2/3 PoE -> calls PoE 1/3 at best -> calls e!Iced town -> dies ggs! Hope everyone had fun, and I hope to see all of you around again in future games! Thanks for GMing!

Death by inactivity self voting may be coming soon to a game near you. I've decided my PoE hits exactly one elim at best rn. Penguin probably flips town unless I'm just really having a lol me moment. I think I'm going to keep my vote here just so Striker gains votes this cycle, after checking Null's posts. Null isn't posting that bad, has some slightly TMI-y stuff, and I just wish I could see more recent posts reacting to the elim flip. Could see just being town. Rare shows up for EoD moment for me (I will not be awake most days).

At this point, especially with an elim flipped who you can read off of for associatives (as in, who their elim partners would be based on their treatment of other players, and other players' treatment of them), I would expect you to have at least some reads. Even if it's just "well I didn't like this post". Vibes are still worth pursuing sometimes. On cycle one when there's no content to read off of and no flips, random voting stage (RVS) is like the meme part of the game until people start making serious reads. By halfway through cycle one, usually you'd hope that the game is far out of RVS and players are making reads. Do you have thoughts on TJ's reads and how that would affect your read on the players he read certain ways? Are there any posts this game you've read and disliked? You can still be wrong (I'm wrong a lot dw, I get how it feels), but the important part is you are trying to solve and make reads, which makes it easier for everyone else to read and see if you're town actually trying to solve the game, or an elim faking solving or struggling to fake solving. Being findable as town is more important than catching elims by yourself fwiw. Anyways Iced is probably town lol. I think I've been correct on zero purity reads tbf, but that was just the easiest way I could describe that post in whatever fancy words you need to understand my read, which was more just "lol this looks town because I decided it looks town", and less "well actually here's a ten paragraph explanation for why this post is towny". It's TMI free to me, maybe pure is a bad word, but imo is saying the exact same thing. There's a doc lol? Honestly I don't really see that. I also don't think most elims bother to push v!you atp. TJ was dead starting turn 2 from the looks of it. Not dying turn 2 gave TJ an extra day, which was more of gave the wolves an extra misexe. Using the mercy there just gives them another misexe, it doesn't save TJ. I think they'd only use it there if they thought they needed the extra day, or TJ thought he could talk himself out of dying (which fwiw if the mercy had been used would've been an actual death sentence for TJ getting saved twice in a row). I stared at the VC for a couple minutes and decided Striker was a better vote lol. I don't expect you to be a busser if that's what you're saying. TJ was consensus let's kill this slot d2, and didn't die by the power of probably elims voting town instead. Like I mentioned earlier, this post is probably not e/e with TJ for "I feel like it’s kind of trashy to have this exe d1. We can revisit it tomorrow." and then votes TJ. Not really a point in going "yeah this exe on a newbie sucks" and then going off and voting your elim partner. e!Polly doesn't even have to care who flips, and could've just voted town instead there if it really mattered to saving the lhf newbie. It's just not really a spot where you vote your elim partner, so I find it unpairing. It's from cycle 1, which gets more towncred than TJ half dead already cycle 2. Idk about TUN's vote in relation to that. I could go for a Null vote here as well, I have a slightly stronger social reason on Null than Striker iirc. If it matters, I'd generally expect to be able to say e!Iced would get bussed here off of threadstate, but alas, that's not how it works here. So people jumping on Iced's wagon without any reasoning is just bad. And Iced probably flips town for that, rather than flipping elim with bussers. If that makes sense. I'd expect a lot more resistance, judging from TJ not dying for a whole cycle, if Iced was an elim here. Barring the elim team being inactive, obviously. Edit: Lol I read "doc" as "doctor", sorry. You meant elim doc. And yeah, I don't expect every post to be coached, more the overall structure of what direction to go to. You can't coach out TMI unless they're saying in the doc "hey is this ok to say" with every post. Which I don't think is happening, and I'd think that posts might sound more awkward and forced in that case, with someone editing what you're going to say directly. I'm also not sure if that's even something anyone would do, or if it's allowed to copy and paste stuff in that way.

I'm ngl being antagonizing is generally a more town thing to do because elims like to not get on people's bad side. However, you've just stated you have an elim read, and you're choosing to instead random vote over pursuing your even slight elim read. Always MU this MU that, every game. I am the spammiest poster on MU so lol. From reading the game and what other people have mentioned about them. I was referring to IcedOutPenguin. No idea about Null, didn't give newbie vibes so I didn't apply my newbie filter to my read. The post again for reference, it gives very newbie lost in thread vibes in a way that is probably more likely v than not. The one reason I wouldn't fully commit that way is it's easy to be a new elim and your team says "ok go look like a lost newbie in thread and get townread for it", which I did consider. But asking if it's good reasoning just is so pure, and asking if it's bad if TJ doesn't flip elim felt slightly without TMI, since I think a newbie elim would've had more TMI to the statement and TMI'd TJ flipping wolf. And so wouldn't have asked about v!TJ worlds. Don't quite see what you're referring to with the last part when I took a look at posts from last turn. Fwiw reading last turn again did make me consider if IcedOutPenguin is an actual lost newbie off of a comment about voting with people who give good reasoning. At some point do you not just get saved by elim doc telling you how to make reads lol. Going to move to StrikerEZ, although it's unlikely to matter given the difference in overall votes needed to put the wagon as top wagon. If I get sniped because my slot self voted for three cycles I will be very sad ngl. Ok lol. I don't know what you expected me to say. I'll go sit in the corner ig lol. I read one of Polly's votes as unpairing at some point, and therefore put more value into it. Fwiw I think TJ was a dying slot starting d2, after elims did vote manip to save TJ, and thread seemed to want TJ dead d2 but instead a villager got sniped last minute. I think it's more likely to feel that way in a game where votes stack across turns, but I noticed a similar sort of consensus mindset in that way as well. Tbf you could partially amount that to a lot of new players more like to want to sheep consensus, but yeah. It was unnerving a bit while reading back.

Mm yeah let's vote the most lhf slot in the game for the reason of "I don't want a tie". What are your reads, Striker? ThatOneWorldhopper towny for this post and this post. And "Penguin was trying to either push or hardbus TUN, then someone in the doc said something like "you're not experienced enough to do this" (I'm not saying I am, though), so Penguin switched to random or someone" from like two posts above this. Originally, I was going with Kas town off of skimming Kas's posts (turn 4/5), as it looks like genuine solving. iirc Kas doesn't like being an elim, and I wouldn't expect this level of investment from e!Kas when e!Kas could honestly slack off a lot more by the looks of things. @BigBadBagsworth since you asked. Admittedly I have some concerns about the way Kas treated TJ after reading turn 1 and 2, just not as on my radar as other slots. I later actually read posts from turn 1/2, and my thoughts were: Kas has a weird treatment of TJ EoD1. This is mostly offset by Kas otherwise having pretty good posts. I... don't think I can confidently townread Kas's posts from turn 1 and 2, though. This feels more like I'll look later when. Ftr Kas's treatment of Aster is probably not e/e and I have slight pocketing concerns that contribute to my paranoia. Kas does avoid TJ wagon a lot turn 1/2 and has been otherwise voting a lot of LHF slots. So yeah. I have concerns. I could talk more about it but I don't think there's a point in it when a) Kas isn't a vote I'd go for today, and b) I'd have to really read in depth to be more certain, and I don't uh, like reading. So I skimmed through several of Kas's posts and might've missed stuff that would make me feel differently. You could take this as Aet is very paranoid, part 182914. I have higher expectations for Kas's elim range than other slots. Sorry this part is formatted weirdly because I wrote half of it way later. I like TUO's posts from last turn, not enough for a concrete townread, but lower town lean. Probably can be a busser without really looking into things and going off of what I've seen people mention, but don't really want to go there yet. TUO feels more chill than e!TUO from what I remember so I'm liking that as well. IcedOutPenguin, explain your reads for me. Level 0 I would just kill Striker and IcedOutPenguin and expect an elim flip lol. Unless someone is coaching standard distancing, IcedOutPenguin and BigBadBagsworth are likely unpaired for a series of posts on turn 3 (not e/e). I partially believe a PoE of Striker/IcedOutPenguine/Negative_Null should at least hit an elim. Striker's "I just panicked" -> *does not solve* on turn 3 is elim behaviour imo this is my attempt to not say "wolfy" but that's the word I was going for. Also this post. @Kasimir what does FUD mean? I don't know if it's worth talking about my opinion on the mercy shot stuff but I have thoughts related to it. There is a best way to use it, and I think knowing if the elims are aware of this or not would help describe the elim team composition in terms of how new they are. There's incentive to bus turn 3, as in, I would normally expect elims always bus there, but site meta difference makes me unsure. I wouldn't clear anyone for a vote turn 3, and I would be more likely to call those who voted TJ turn 2 to be town since SE players don't bus apparently. TJ should've been in antispew (fancy word for trying to look not e/e with elim partners) at the very least, but by the looks of it didn't really post turn 3. This post from BigBadBagsworth is towny lol. I would slightly unpair Kas and TJ from a post TJ made on turn 1, but that's more like not thinking it's within TJ's elim range to think of that than actually finding it unpairing. Aster is cool off of turn 1, not really enough for a townlean but Aster is off my radar rn. This is a bad post from Null lol. Overexplained/reasoning is off. This post gets towncred because voting your elim partner over voting town in that situation is probably not a move most elims make. Fine with slotting KelsierApologist as town for now. Null and Striker had back to back posts that felt TMI-y on what happened. Later on, I thought Null would be slightly unpaired from Striker from a vote on turn 2 (I'd have to look at exact wagon numbers to be more specific), though. TL;DR ThatOneWorldhopper KelsierApologist --- TUO BigBadbagsworth Kas Aster --- (Everyone not mentioned) / Tinwatcher Null / Striker / IcedOutPenguin Loosely would go Null / IcedOutPenguin > Striker. I think my reasons for e!Null are a bit stronger than e!IcedOutPenguin because I'm factoring in potentially just being new to the game (and if you didn't know, I have an insanely bad track record with reading newbies). I wanted to put Tinwatcher in a separate tier of null for having bad posts while also doing a self vote turn 2 that is just so not elim-like that I'm not sure where I'd actually put Tinwatcher. It's pretty level 0 elim... elim-ing? to tell a new player to Just Vote Town, and voting yourself something that I think generally any elim team would be able to coach someone out of doing. Might gth town this slot. I read turn 4 -> turn 3 -> turn 1 -> turn 2 ftr things look weirdly out of order, and I don't write my posts linearly if I have related thoughts. Sorry for post formatting, I have a very spam post-y playstyle usually and I can't do that here. Feel free to ask for elaboration on reads if you're ok with me saying no because sometimes I just don't. Anyways, I deserve cookies for reading the entire game.

Hi. The chances of me reading the entire game through rn is probably close to zero on a 24/0 cycle timer. Maybe later. I see a lot of names I don't recognize, so if you don't know me, I play a lot offsite, which means I have a lot of expectations that don't fit with SE, and I use a lot of confusing terminology. Feel free to ask me about any of it if it comes up, but I will try my best to keep it out of the game since people get annoyed with it. Why are you random voting on *checks notes* Day 5, with an elim flipped? It's been five days and you still have no reads?

I'll stay pinch hitting if I'm the only one, but looks to be a cool playerlist. glhf!

Welcome to the Shard!

I can pinch hit. Interesting setup, would be curious to see how it plays out.

I don't mind switching to player if you feel like you need more.

Game looks super cool! I'll pinch hit for now, might switch to player.

Welcome to the Shard!

Welcome to the Shard!

I suggest you maybe re-evaluate your worldview after Ash and I are both dead and flip town lol. Gl town.