Frustration

Well that was my one worry, which you seem to have well handled, so I think it looks good overall.

Lezian showed us how well that worked.

Not necessarily, Galladon's father died while in Elantris of a heart attack. Now he could have saved himself but chose to die, so there is that. I'd be interested to see how Aon Edo interacted with shardblades, they could most definitely take a hit, the question being how many. The other big question I have is how much protection Shardplate would offer from offensive Aons, Brandon has said that plate's investiture would have little interference with Aon Daa, so it would have to rely on its natural durability. That out of the way I thought about how each fight would go. Windrunner: This one I think the radiant could actually win, having the spren form a vacuum around the Elantrian's head and kill them by having their blood boil out of their bodies. Skybreaker: Elantrians if I do recall can fly, I think a win for the skybreaker is possible, but highly unlikely. Dustbringers: Elantrians will likely be hard pressed to lose to a Dustbringer, but if they can close the distance fast enough with Abrasion, they might be able to do it. Edgedancers lack the offensive power to kill an Elantrian Truthwatchers: Elantrians, so far as I recall do not have a way to see through illusions, so that could be a way to get around them. Lightweavers: Same as Truthwatchers Elsecallers: Soulcasting from the CR, while typically the best strategy would not work here, unless you could soulcast the air around their body into stone or something, that could work. Willshapers: If you can drop an Elantrian into stone and immobilize them you can win, though as stated above, they might just decide to fly. Stoneward: Same with Willshapers. Bondsmiths: Elantrians might actually be one of the few things capable of beating a Bondsmith, assuming they can strip their powers, or prevent them from using it in some way. That said, it would be beyond difficult, and Bondsmiths pose an equal or greater threat to Elantrians.

So, I was bored. Again. So I thought back to some previous versus threads, because those are fun, and I remembered a Mistborn v. Elantrain thread, and thought: 'You know why don't we have a radiant v. elatrian thread, that seems much more balanced.' So here we are. If an Elantrian and fifth ideal Radiant had a fight, who would win?

Any change to the base game is collectively called homebrew. Because most fights end up being slog fests, ten rounds of trading in a few points of damage here or there, and they end up feeling rather boring. With this the biggest enemy in the group can walk up to the Cleric and take half their hp in a single turn. Keeps the players on their toes, and it makes healing characters actually relevant rather than just giving them a single hp once their down. Well lets go with the most stereotypical warlock story, guy preforms a ritual, and makes a deal with a being beyond their comprehension. I can't think of a more fitting high Int low Wis vibe, but I guess that's up to interpretation. The main goal was to get another intelligence based class, and Warlock was the one I felt was closest to it. The monk is designed to be a front liner, but they have pretty poor AC and Con is third in line for their stats, and they can't use a shield. They need the extra HP, not to mention the only other class to use unarmored defense is the Barbarian which is the only class to use a d12. I was imagining it closer to forcing your body to produce more Ki than it would normally, to the detriment of your overall health. I actually based it off of Sorcerer's ability to turn spell slots into sorcery points, as they function almost identically. Monks of course do not have spell slots, so I made due with what was available to me.

Wow I was expecting this to be close.

I have a few, but here's one that I use, and one I'm considering. For all monsters, cut their hp in half and double the damage dice. I'm considering a few things to balance the primary ability of classes somewhat, and fix the monk more than anything. 1. Clerics are charisma based, Bards are Wisdom based, Warlock's are Intelligence based. Monks become Cha and Dex based. Charisma has been the stat of fervor and will so I don't see why Clerics have been casting with Wisdom which is about awareness and knowledge, while Bards have the opposite problem as they cast spells based on memorization. Warlocks make deals with beings most people don't know about, as part of hidden lore and study. Also we have far too few Intelligence based classes, and too many Charisma ones. Monks are about discipline and force of will. Also Monk/Paladin multiclasses just should be possible, the thematics are too appropriate. 2. The Monk hit die becomes a d12, and as a bonus action they can regain any number of expended Ki point, by rolling that number of d12's and taking the number rolled in Necrotic damage that cannot be reduced or avoided in any way.

You know it Xp.

No, no no no no no no. I get bored enough with life here as is, living for an eternity without any change to my mental or spiritual nature? No thank you. And this isn't even true immortality, if you can still die, eventually you will, you just guarantee that death is going to be much more painful.

SA is what made me love Sanderson, and honestly I might not be here without it.

Second "Stretches of unkemptness" is really the issue I had with the first.

Sanderson has definitely warped my perspective on length. I remember checking out my first non-sanderson book in a while and trying to hide it because I was embarrassed by how short it was, only to realize how silly I was being when I realized that used to be an average book for me.

@Onos No idea who you are or if you're alive, but welcome to the game.

So previously I calculated how powerful the explosion Wayne set off was. Now I want to calculate how powerful it would have been if Wayne hadn't done anything. When Wax preformed his experiment he broke the safebox, which had withstood explosions using more than ten times that amount of Harmonium. Considering this is Scadrial I will assume he used 1/16 the maximum amount of harmonium he had, and got at least a 100 times stronger reaction. So if we have perfect scaling the bomb the Set designed would have been 1,600 times more powerful than the one Wayne set off. The minimum yield I had calculated for Wayne's blast was roughly equivalent to the Beirut explosion, which had a yield of 1.1 KT. Assuming perfect scaling(Which is highly unlikely) the Set's bomb would have had a yield of 1.76 MT. Honestly, I was imagining a little more, but this is within the ballpark of what I was imagining for it, so I think this works as a good baseline estimate.

HELLO hoooooommmmaaaaaannns

No, you reposition to either remove that advantage, or to give yourself one. If your opponent is smarter than you, punch them, if they are stronger than you outsmart them. If they are both outlast them. Never fight a superior opponent on equal ground, much less terrain that favors them. Her best was to immediately hand it over as soon as it was asked for. Forgive me if I'm not impressed. You want to argue that she had no way of knowing that Kaladin would reach fourth ideal as a reason not to explore that option, but assume that somehow she knows she would find a way to help the Sibling? And I would respect her for that. It would at least show some backbone rather than brain dead obedience. As Alder has said many times before: Destroy the notes. And here's a thought: maybe don't experiment with the anti-tones at all? It was the patterns in the sands that even got her to think along that direction, which Raboniel didn't even look at. If Navani actually wanted to help the Sibling she should have been experimenting with Towerlight, rather than trying to make Anti-Tones. Well obviously that didn't stop Navani from immediately doing that. So obviously whatever she wants is worth a lot more to her than anything the scientists could provide, or than the potential winning of the war that would occur from just killing all the radiants right then. So maybe think to yourself: "It would be really bad if she got whatever she is after" and don't give it to her. Um, no not really. She might like fabrials, but it is very obvious throughout the entire book that the only thing she really wants to find some way to destroy Stormlight and Voidlight. She acknowledges early on that breaking the garnets will free the Radiants. The room she is in is just down the hall from the pillar. Get a spike and a hammer, tell the Sibling to drop the shield, run down the hall and break the garnets. Ten thousand times more reliable than hoping that somehow you can learn enough from a Fused to help the Sibling while also not giving them exactly what they want. Yeah, she did what she should there. The second part of that is to not mess everything else up, and she does that entirely wrong. Step 1: Kaladin goes to the edge of the tower Step 2: He jumps Step 3: He falls until he exits the range of the suppressor Step 4: Fly to inform Dalinar, and get Chiri Chiri. You know, what he suggested doing. So were the lifts but those were easily replaced. 1. I did not say the protection it could provide, only the protection it was providing, which is basically just preventing the masked ones from hiding themselves. 2. You literally a second later try to argue that Navani had no way to know that Kaladin would swear the fourth ideal, but somehow she knows exactly how the suppressor works? Kaladin can get in and out. The Sibling can move the doors, not make them, and only when there are gemstones and Stormlight inside. That's not how that works, investiture doesn't flow along glass. And the arnyst method requires smaller and more importantly EMPTY gemstones. Fused Gemhearts are full, you won't be able to get any anti-voidlight to enter. Cracking the Fused gemstone would simply kill them, and allow them to return to Braize. So that will not work. Stormlight by nature stops other Tones dead. They could be realigned to match the anti-tone because it's the same waveform, but other Tones wouldn't work. They straight up say that they get more insane as they die and are reborn. By the enemy! Nightblood only the radiants have, that is a huge leg up over having multiple but both sides having them, even if somehow the coalition can make more, which I doubt for reasons stated above. Ah yes I was unaware we were counting the spren who specifically were not aligned with the coalition. Here's what should have happened Raboniel: "Work for me or do laundry" Navani: "Laundry" Even if Raboniel doesn't take no for an answer, calling her bluff gives you more arguments for not trusting her, which can be used in the right situation. Later: Navani: "Kaladin I need you to leave the tower and go inform Dalinar and get a Larkin from Theylan City" Kaladin: "Got it." Later: Kaladn: "I'm back, now what?" Navani: "Send her down" Navani then has the Sibling drop the shield around the pillar when Chiri Chiri gets close, Chiri Chiri consumes enough Voidlight to undo the Corruption of the suppressor, the Sibling reactivates the Shield, the Radiants wake up, and the coalition gets an unmitigated victory.

An Emerald You are my equal, I'm not going to force you to do anything.

But Frusty saiiidddd!! @Frustration please I need help. Yeah Edema is in charge of you. Unless you want to 1v1 4 billion insect centaurs one after the other.

That doesn't mean Navani is worthy, whether it's a criticism of the writing or not. She didn't do that until after they bonded. If your opponent is more experienced than you, more knowledgeable than you, and by every possible indication smarter than you: Do not under any circumstance try to outsmart them. That's not what I meant, Navani did not once stop or even slow Raboniel from learning what she wanted, so you cannot say she "Stonewalled her" That's handing it to her! When Raboniel asks for Navani to mix Stormlight and Voidlight Navani says "To prove humans and singers can be united?" And Raboniel answers with "Yes, for that reason." Like can you be any more transparently dishonest? Raboniel might as well have jumped up and down screaming "I am lying to you, I want this for some other reason." But Navani still makes it. How? Raboniel didn't know about vacuum tubes, she had no way to prove anti-light could be made, only that anti-tones existed. Navani of her own free will made anti-light in front of her, and gave it to Raboniel. She isn't, but that does not excuse blindly doing exactly what Raboniel wanted. I'd at least have a modicum of respect for her if she had denied Raboniel at first and then was forced to work with her, but she didn't do that, instead jumping at the first opportunity to work with Raboniel despite the obvious red flags which is patently stupid. She was interested in the same way people visiting the Louvre is at looking at other paintings than the Mona Lisa. They were mere curiosities, the only thing she really cared about was anti-light. That's what she says, but that is far from the only thing she could do. And Navani is not supposed to do them, that's why Kaladin is there. Navani's job in this situation is to inform Kaladin and then not help Raboniel. We know that new functions can be added to the Sibling, the Garnets can be replaced once the Fused are dealt with. Not to mention the meager protection it was providing wasn't worth much. At fourth ideal all of his powers worked. And its not like a group of completely regular humans almost did it or anything. Then it would be really convenient if he was in contact with someone who did, like say Navani. The Sibling is concentrated in the Pillar, not the Stone itself, as seen when Venli is able to talk to the stone, which notably has a different Soul. How do you get anti-voidlight into their gemhearts without Raysium? Not just out of the gem but into their gemhearts? And you still haven't found a solution to getting Voidlight. That's not true, Leshwi thought Raboniel had gone insane, but she didn't. Insane Fused are basically useless, staring at walls and drooling. Nightblood is a manageable risk for Radiants, but one that would instantly kill Fused. So anti-light is objectively more dangerous for the Coalition. There are fifty Windrunners, Three Truthwatchers, Some dozen Lightweavers, Dustbringers, and Edgedancers, and an unknown number of Stonewards. There are thousands of Fused, not to mention Thunderclasts.

That's Invision, not Invasion. So is not bowing. Very well, you will be spared But I obey her. See, this is why we're putting her in charge of the humans.

No bowing! How dare you! Invasion!

Yes, bow before me two legs.

Hallo hoomans.