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@Personification Brandon has described them as the equivlent of sitine chapel portraits. Probaly created by famous, but unknown, artists.

I don't guys you say it feels like Kelsier and you have logic to back it up, but all I can say is to me it feels like a red herring. Edit: a small piece of evidence. Kelsier generally isn't one to share power.

My gut says the loophole is if Dalinar breaks the oath, but that may be too simple a solution.

I'm sure that all Odium took was the memory of the first converstaion. He realized he had tipped Wit off to how he could truly win so he did a do over. Taking anything else would let run the risk of what he had done being discovered.

I don't think its true geolocation at all, just an offshoot of her memory powers. If i'm not mistaken Shallan took over at the point spefically to trace their path.

I read the passage the same, good thoughts.

I am certain that he only removed those few minutes of memory. Odium wouldn't risk tipping Wit off.

I DID IT I WAS RIGHT! I DIDN'T HAVE THE WORDING RIGHT BUT I HAD THE ESSENCE OF THE IDEAL! I WILL RETURN WHEN I HAVE FINSIHED THE BOOK. Edit: Ok, I've calmed down a little bit, but this is still a really big deal to me. My first ever cosmere theory, that I first presented to Brandon himself was correct. And I was not imagining the knowing smile he gave me!

Here's a quote I haven't seen anayzed yet. Nikki explaining to Rysn why he left his "village." So much of what he said was true, his people being small and liking to know about the wider world. Just in general Nikki seems like the kind of guy who doesn't lie unless he has too. I'm sure it has to be one of the Sleepless probaly one of the 20 that still protect the Dawnshard as he wouldn't see the others. I'm rereading Dawnshar dright now and just got to this quote so I might add as I continue reading.

I won't actually tell you what happens, but it has been addressed already in the pre-release chapters.

Oathbringer

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@Pagerunner OK, I understand now. Seems we were putting the emphasis on different words. "Four of them" vs "Four of them." We're on the same page now.

I seem to have a very different mental picture of this mural to the thatn the rest of you so I drew a couple pictures. First here's the desccription. You seem to be imagining Mural 1. 4 pieces broken into 4 more smaller pieces representing the 16 shards and confirming the 4 divisons of shards theory. I don't think that can be right because the quote reads "4 of them" are further broken down. This would imply there are more pieces of Ado then the 16 shards. I think it looks like Mural 2. 16 rays for 16 shards 4 shaterred for devotion, dominion, ambition, and honor. What do you guys think, and pardon my ms paint.

That makes a lot of sense with their singer heritage. A lesser form change and a closer connection to the cognitive realm in general. I swear there's a refernence to Rock briefly hjearing the Rythms to.

We have a basic idea Rysn tells us they are the "will of a god." The will of adonalasium. It appears he seperated this power from himself for some reason and it was somehow later turned against him by the vessels. If the Dawnshards were divided from A first and then what was left of A was divided into the 16 shards then a single DS would be way more powerful than a single shard. Thoughts? Also last post for tonight. I hope y'all have some great stuff for me tomorrow!

I read it very differntly. The changes are to Rysn's perspective. I think being a dawnshard has given her heightning like abilites.

Great catch, I didn't pick up on that. Seems to be in-book confirmation this

I think we're on slightly different pages. You seem to be imagining 4 main pieces subdivided into 4 more totaling 16 for 16 shards. I'm imagining 16 main pieces with 4 broken for the shattered shards which wouldn't lend credence to the 4 groups of shards thinking.

TLDR: Dragons=Larkins The mural refers to chiri-chiri as a "Guardian of Ancient Sins." Given the context ancient sin seems to clearly be the Shattering. This means Larkins would have had to been around for the event. That in itself isn't at all a stretch, after all Roshar predates the Shattering. But we also have word the Larkins are sapient. It just seems like too many conidences for Larkins to not be dragons.

I agree 2 dawnshards floating around the same system seems like a stretch. It's almost ceratinly the same one.

I really like this idea and several shards sort really neatly, but I doubt it will be as neat as 4 dawnshards into 4 shards. I'm interperting the mural a little differnet then you guys seem to be, but I won't drag that converstaion here. There's something to be said with the Dawnshards being external to Adonlaisum. They were wielded by the orignal vessels against him after all.

Heres the desrciption of thee mural read closely. I bet the mostly symentrical pieces come in a group of 16 with the 4 shatterd omnes represting the shattered shards Alternivly if the the sun is divided into roughly symeterical pieces and only 4 of them are broken into 4 more that implies there are more pieces. Pieces of Adonlalsium 4 times greater than a shard floating around. Edit: @Karger just saw you finished up Dawnshard, I'd love to hear your take on this one.

Can you link to the annotaion? Edit: I'm to excited to read closely.

I am so excited this amazing. I mostly just getting it out of my system here so I'll be able to sleep tonight. The Dawnshards are the weapons that destryoed adonliasuim likely created personally by him. Rysn is a dawnshard with the Command to change. Hoid probaly has/is a dawnshard which explains his RIDICULOUS power. The command is probaly something like "protect" that ties into his inabilty to harm people. The mural had a sun split into pieces I'd bet my life 16 of them, 4 of them broken for Devotion, Dominion, Ambition, and Honor. Edit: I misread this one just a little defintely 16 pieces I think its very unlikely that a sleepless in the Set's faceless imortal so back to the drawing board on theat one. The Sleepless are an ancient race, likely the third race of yolen. Man, Dragon, and Sleepless. Only 24 still exist and 20 are united in protecting the dawnshard. Assuming I'm right about Hoid WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO DAWNSHARDS!!! The dawnshards are implied to be more powerful than SHARDS. Uncle A was destroyed by 4 of them each shard is 1/16 of A one dawnshard is roughly as powerful as FOUR SHARDS We have WoB that one dawnshard is different, (again assuming I'm right about Hoid) I bet its Hoids. We're kinda stupid for comparing them to shardplate and blade instead of Shards of Adonlasium, seems obvious in hindsight. HOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIID Dawnshards are at their most basic Commands, so Endowment probaly took some heavy inspirtaion from them. I'm am just so freaking happy right now. Its finally happening. Brandon is writing for us. The super nerds. I was feeling this way a little bit with the RoW chapters coming out but this was the real deal. He has moved into the second phase of the cosmere. He's not giving us hints and tidbits, he is giving us real information. I am so FREAKING EXCITED!!!!!