Halyo_Alex

He'd need a gemheart among other things, such as the incomplete spiritweb that a Dullform singer has. ...Which, now that I say that out loud, sounds like something Odium could do to him. Heck, maybe just a Fused if Vyre is willing to let them "in" so to speak to let them cut the spiritweb into the right "shape" or size for it. Also, if stormwater with crem in it is what provides the minerals to grow a gemheart, would a human be able to drink that for a gemheart or would that end badly? Maybe Vyre will be the exception after that spiritual tinkering, and in the meantime he has to swallow a gemstone to act as an artificial gemheart and it's not as effective. I'm probably way off the mark but I like the idea of things getting worse before they get better, so, I'll still hope for this.

Very freaking precise Soulcasting and Illumination together? Possibly with Bondsmith-boost shenanigans.

So, I realized this shortly after reading some of the pre-release chapters for RoW (not going to spoil them) because they reminded me of Chiri-Chiri and the Larkins in general, and their ability to consume Investiture and get bigger. If there was an Allomancer around, could a Larkin feed on their allomantic power output to grow? Sort of like how Nightblood will consume an Allomancer's allomantic effect while burning to feed himself instead of consuming their soul. If that's the case, an Allomancer could intentionally feed a Larkin and turn it into a Lanceryn (er... If that's actually how you spell that/what a fully grown Larkin is called), and be the Rosharan equivalent of a Dragon Rider or something absurd like that, instead of having to give it Stormlight periodically via spheres or highstorms. Of course, Allomantic strength becomes the deciding factor in how quick the Larkin would grow, then, so a direct Lerasium mistborn burning every metal at once (barring aluminum and duralumin) would probably be the most effective type of allomancer to feed a Larkin with. Just a random shower-ish thought I had and wanted to put out there for consideration.

Peakspren? Is that what you think the Stoneward spren are called? Or did that just get confirmed somewhere?

I feel like as more people read Brandon's Cosmere stories, and some of those people also become fantasy authors, the concepts he's laying down might become more widespread. Basically I'm saying Brandon has/will forever change the general feel of fantasy magic systems for all of time because he's just that good.

I mean, Renarin can apparently fuel his Voidbinding futuresight with Stormlight, so why not the reverse?

So you could say that she... Unites Artifabrians?

Yeah, I'd hazard that a lot of the crustacean-esque animal life has violet blood.

Okay yes that's what I meant/thought. I did understand.

I understand it just fine, what's up with you two? He's just saying that the Unmade are using Voidbinding/Voidlight to "pretend" to be a fabrial that uses their original spren-nature, like how Re-Shephir has been likened to a superpowered, evil Creationspren. ...Right?

I think one of the easier types of investiture that could be put into a gemstone would be the light from Taldain's sun on Dayside. The whole point is that it's always there, if you could fill gems with this "Sandlight" and transport it through the CR in some form, you could distribute it to the Radiants even if they figure out how to take their Spren off world, for a renewable fuel source.

I laughed harder at the mental image of this than I ought to have done...

I mean I literally did that with Paper Mario Origami King today, Olly is an Awakened sheet of paper folded to resemble a person so that it costs less Breath.

Bit of a weird idea, but one that I realized after playing Paper Mario: Origami King; Olly and Olivia could just be Awakened paper folded into the shapes of people to make it less expensive to Awaken them. I mean, Origami Toad literally calls the technique he used to make Olly the "Fold of Life", which takes dedication, precision, and (I believe) "putting a bit of your soul into it". At the very least he does say that Olly and Olivia really have souls, so it's fairly analogous to Awakening in that regard, if he somehow had Breaths to put into them. Paper is also a potentially useful substance to Awaken, given that it's organic in origin. Folding it into an Origami person would also reduce the cost, given that it's a life-like shape, and would give the paper some level of rigidity and stability rather than being, you know, a flat sheet of paper. Also given how Olly goes rogue, it's safe to say his awakening command might not have been visualized properly... What really intrigues me is the extra powers he manifests... Like the "thing" bosses all being under his command, those could also be Awakened... Except that a lot of them are made of metal or plastic, which... Well we know how tough it is to Awaken metal, but plastic is weird because it's made of oil which is made of living things. Does that make it too far removed from being organic to easily awaken? In terms of Olly's other powers, folding things into Folded Soldiers could be like if Nightblood was somehow able to use his own stolen Breaths to Awaken Lifelesses (Lifelessi?). Makes me wonder, then, if Olly would be considered a type IV Entity despite being organic... Hm. Is that what a type V would be? A sentient organic object instead of a sentient inorganic one, like Nightblood? Well, regardless, Olly's other powers seem to be too all over the place to really fit as powers in a hard magic system like Awakening, or even hijacking other Shards' systems for himself... Right? Jeez, this post just keeps getting longer. At first I had just planned to basically point out "hey couldn't something like Olly exist in the cosmere because of Awakening?" But here we go, an entire mini-theory, basically just to challenge myself to do it. So we know that Nightblood (almost spelled it Knightblood, good job me) does in fact have some of Ruin's investiture (for some special reason that isn't normal to Awakening steel) via WoB. If Olly was planned to be made, let's assume that something similar happens when he's Awakened, and he somehow gets a chunk of a different shard's Investiture... Well, I can think of a couple candidates given his behaviour in Paper Mario (since Nightblood's command, Destroy Evil, seems very much aligned with Ruin's intent of destroying). Odium could be one, given how he gets so unnaturally upset with the Origami Toad for writing on his paper (especially when that writing turns out to be a heartfelt wish for him to be a good king and not the "scribble" that Olly claims it to be). Another candidate would be Ambition, since, well, he is VERY ambitious throughout the game, his ultimate goal to be turning the Mushroom Kingdom into a kingdom of Origami. Would that make him Evil like THE Evil on Threnody, made of Ambition's splinters from the battle with Odium? Possibly. That might explain his maniacal nature, at least in part. Perhaps he would only need Odium's Investiture in order to manipulate things the way he does (and, side note, Olly does share Odium's colors: white and gold, and purple (for Voidlight)). Nightblood's alleged inability to learn and change (according to Vasher, which may not be fully reliable) may also explain why Olly ends up so stuck in his ways even when Olivia tries to talk him out of it after chapter 2. But speaking of Olivia, how does she fit into this theory? Olly folds her based on the Origami Toad's designs, and uses the Fold of Life on her himself. As established earlier, this would be roughly equivalent to if Nightblood could spend his acquired Breath to awaken a type IV on his own. What's interesting about this is that Olly would be spending a HUGE chunk of his own Breaths to do this, though as neither of them are metal, that could make this more feasible. After all, without needing the 9th Heightening, you could spend far fewer Breaths on either of them. Perhaps the Origami Toad just did the equivalent of giving Olly an excess amount of Breath, which left Olly with a surplus he could Awaken with. If so, that could explain the apparent power difference between Olly and Olivia; the latter of which seems to be inferior to Olly at almost all points, except for the obligatory "power of friendship" moment at the end of the final boss. However, that same final boss fight really shows how powerful Olly is by comparison; he does stuff that borders on straight-up reality warping, which would take huge amounts of Investiture to pull off, especially considering that he's an Awakened object, not a mortal person. He claims that part of the power he exhibits is due to the sheer amount of Origami around at the time, which, fair enough, that could be a mechanic of whatever magic the Fold of Life is truly from in that game. However, this almost sounds like he's on the cusp of forming a Perpendicularity just from sheer origami presence alone. Well, the paper he's using is very brightly colored, perhaps it's dyed with the Tears of Edgli? Is that stuff confirmed to be Invested? If so, that would add to the Investiture around at the time, perhaps acting vaguely like a metalmind or infused gemstones and giving him an extremely large reservoir of power to work with. Speaking of infused gemstones, some of Olly's powers do seem similar in concept to some of the Surges. Point one, he floats/flies everywhere, i.e. Gravitation. And while it's not transforming from one material to another, he does reshape into the four Vellumentals (which could be considered "transforming between essences") and into two extra forms for the final boss. Perhaps some of his powers are similar to Tension or Adhesion? He does stick a lot of stuff together to make his Origami Castle... Okay, I've been rambling enough. If I think of more stuff I'll either edit it in, or put it into another reply in this thread...

Perhaps Splintering requires removing this "fundemental Unity" from a shard in order to make its power decohere with itself and split apart. So the pieces then naturally yearn to have their Unity back.

It takes a lot of self-control to not impose your will on someone else?

You stole my joke/addition to the list, though I guess it is kinda obvious

Dude. Someone call Shadesmar, cause if the Elsecallers are "masters of Shadesmar", this guy is the master of the masters of Shadesmar, Almighty...

Bendalloy is the non-copyright name of "Cerrobend" which is basically a brand-name (or some corporate equivalent, I don't recall) of Wood's Metal, which is Cadmium and Tin irl, if I remember right. It's known for having a low melting point, I think you can melt it in boiling water. Looks like mercury afterwards!

Oh crud, you're right! I forgot that'd technically work. So a Gold compounder could (with charged metalminds on hand) ALWAYS restore their powers, even if you take F-Gold from them!

As morbid as both of those are (but how can Hemalurgy not be, i suppose), you make some good points. I do wish they'd spiked Miles, at least his F-Gold. It really is just a waste. Let a reasonable Augur have that kind of power, they'd be endlessly grateful.

This. Hemalurgic Aluminum removes ALL powers, though the specifics of it are a bit fuzzy. Does it just delete the powers out of the person's spiritweb? Do you have to charge it first and then spike someone to remove their powers? Depending on that, you might need to kill two people with one shot...

We have our third Bondsmith. Finally, we have them all

If F-Nicrosil works the way I think it does, Unsealed Nicrosil will let people swap around metalborn powers at will with no spikes needed, almost like Breath transfer on Nalthis.

Since ALL of the power of the Lerasium would be focused down into 2 metals instead of 16.