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What I'm saying is that every hemalurgic spiking is satisfying Ruin's intent, so it doesn't matter in this case. What does matter is the intent of people performing spiking, if they are spiking with the intent not to kill a donor (which would still satisfy Ruin's intent), it can make a difference. Ruin himself even told HoA and MSH that he allowed Rashek, Vin and Kelsier to influence Scadrial as what they did still caused ruin and destruction. Even if it sometimes prolonged incoming destruction (Kel picking up Preservation) it still served him more in the end.

I don't know what else I have to say and show. Ruin isn't just about killing, he's about increasing entropy, destructive, irreversible change. Every Hemalurgic spiking does just that.

I say A-steel+Feruchemist. Being able to compound speed is the best power you can get. This is just insanely powerful in combat, and you still have one of the best combat oriented allomantic powers. Even in daily general use, speed is always useful. I would always go for Feruchemy. Steel, gold or pewter compounding are the best options for combat, zinc, chromium and duralumin compounding for general use. And I'm mostly focusing on compounding, as this is so much better than normal Allomantic powers. Yes, they're useful, but having unlimited fortune or mental speed is just beyond anything Allomancy can provide.

Yes, they probably would be able to push rocks. But would a Shardplate punch be deadly? I don't know - Vin used duralumin and pewter to explode the head of a thug in WoA, and she didn't get hurt in the process. Shardplate punch will be very strong, but pewter enhanced body would likely make it "easy" to survive, as no penetration is happening, at worst broken bones, which would be problematic for a Mistborn in longer fight. Of course this is only a case for a Dor powered Mistborn. Regular Thugs and Mistborn are able to take on hits, that would normally break bones, without any damage to their body, leaving only bruises.

Yes, Malwish weren't using Trellium, because Trellium was only given to the Set. Malwish used Harmonium reaction with water, which is highly explosive combination, similar to cesium. While it's logical for you (and Wax), Harmonium is not an alloy of Atium and Lerasium, it's a whole new metal. For sure Trellium had to be used when experiment was repeated, as this is the only way to get Atium, which they got.

The terms end-neutral are refering to investiture, and investiture only. I don't believe there is any investiture "lost" to a transfer, because of how it is described, coppermind - "when a Feruchemist is tapping an attribute at the same rate it was stored, they are able to get out exactly what they put in". If there was any loss to a transfer, then they would not be able to get exactly what they stored. Efficiency is still the same - 50% per 1h. It doesn't change. You decide how much you want to store, and for how long. Those are the only factors that matters during storing. Your edit: word "excentuated". I don't know what word is this, but I'm not native. Google wants to correct it to "accentuated".

To add more, comparison of Vin's and Elend's wounds: Vin, from Coppermind: "Vin spends the subsequent two weeks unconscious as she recovers from a massive wound in her side, and it takes three more months to recover fully from her ordeal at Kredik Shaw". From TFE ch 15, the wound was described by Vin as a deadly one, bleeding intensely, and it impaired her movements even with flared pewter. In ch 16 Vin was treated by Sazed. In ch 17, after 2 weeks, she still has scrapes, bruises and cuts on her whole body from encounters with inquisitors. Elend, WoA epilogue: also 2 weeks to wake up from a deadly cut in the guts, unknown time to fully recover. It's likely that Elend was also treated by Sazed, as he was there. If not, as the Emperor he had the best surgeons in the city. Both of them spend 2 weeks unconscious after getting a similar wound in a similar area, despite the fact that Elend is a Lerasium Mistborn and is a few times more powerful than Vin, in terms of raw power. This suggests that pewter enhanced healing doesn't increase dramatically with the increase of provided investiture. So the pewter healing effects of Dor fueled Mistborn, I say, would be still on a similar level to normal Mistborn.

But the attribute is investiture. But with tapping more than stored, you're using investiture to compress it, and therefore "lose" the attribute. But you didn't lose it, it is there but doing something different - compressing attributes to the required level. What efficiency? That's the problem, you can't store more than you have. If you can store 50% per 1h of your strength without having any issues, then "storing savant" would still store only 50% per 1h. Nothing changes. What efficiency I have no idea what word you want to write, neither does google

You have a hole in your body, the size of a fist. It's a miracle you are still alive to begin with, so any healing would take a lot of time to reconstruct all the tissues, muscles, organs, bones, nerves, and blood vessels. The more I think about it the more I realize that this would kill Mistborn. It's like getting hit by a cannonball. Investiture powered Mistborn might be able to walk for a few more minutes, but his body eventually will realize that he should die, and he will die. He would need days to make that wound at least "tolerable". He doesn't have that time. Pewter doesn't heal like gold. It only enhances your body's healing ability. I wish we had information of how long it took Elend to heal his wound after WoA, as this would provide a great comparison of healing factor between Vin and Elend. Edit: WoA epilogue takes place 2 weeks after the stab (told by Sazed), and Elend just "woke up" and started walking the same day. So 2 weeks for Elend's cut wound.

Firstly, we have WoBs telling us that Feruchemist won't become savants without outside sources of investiture. Secondly, logically "storing savants” would do nothing. You still store 50%/1h and nothing changes, and there are still the same limits of how much of an attribute you can store without hurting yourself or dying. Moreover I believe that storing attributes actually takes away from your soul, just a little bit of it is transferred into a metalmind. Afterall, metalminds and attributes are identity locked, and even attributes might be "coded" into your soul. So storing an attribute makes you lose investiture from your soul, not gain it. So it doesn't provide the requirements for becoming a savant. Then if this exists, the flow of investiture through your soul when storing would be so painfully little, that you would quicker become a "tapping savant". But I don't believe it exists as it doesn't make sense (and WoBs). The end neutrality is for Feruchemy as a whole. Feruchemy is end neutral. Power is neither gained nor lost, that's what makes it end neutral. Because you don't get any investiture that you didn't previously have, your soul isn't invested.

I will repeat myself, as a clearly left comparison to the most severe known case of pewter healing timing - LIKE VIN'S WOUND IN TFE! Radiants don't have guns. And If Windrunners/Skybreakers chose to lash rocks into a Mistborn, those would be a fist sized, not bullet size. That wound would still require days/weeks of pewter enhanced healing. Bendalloy won't help.

With which I disagree. Even a supercharged Mistborn would still need days, if not more, to heal a serious physical wound (like Vin's in TFE). Even with bendalloy it wouldn't work. And most wounds made by a Radiant would be made by a Shardblade, which pewter won't heal.

I believe Sazed didn't lie when he told Kelsier that they didn't get Lerasium from repeating the experiment. Wax did something unique that nobody knows how to replicate.

It's a steelsight thing. You can learn how to perceive the world by a steelsight like inquisitors do, it's just a matter of practice.

Like I said, it does depend on the angle of an impact. If the angle is too sharp, the bullet will ricochet, because of what you described. But during a deflection, impact force exerted on a surface will be the same with or without friction.

Oh that's something that I missed, and the WoB. It fits well together.

Not really, I couldn't rotate those arrows in paint so I switched to gimp. I'm not saying that there would be no "sliding", what I'm saying is that every impact that would be deflected normally with friction, would be also deflected without friction as well. It all depends on the angle of an impact. When you run and jump, you still have momentum pushing you forward, so even with friction, after landing, you will keep running forward with ease (and because friction is acting only between your feet and ground, not on your whole body). But when you run, jump and hit an angled wall, you will lose most of your energy by hitting a wall, as it's stopping your forward momentum. I even read some scientific paper about frictionless impact on rigid surface. In it, a bullet hitting an impenetrable wall will deform and crack faster without friction, than with friction - as a bullet without friction has a higher energy, because friction causes the bullet to lose energy to heat on impact. I don't want to talk about how friction matters during penetration, because I don't know, I'm just saying that force of impact is still the same with or without friction, any impact that would be deflected normally, would be deflected without friction, and any impact that would normally "penetrate" an armor, would also "penetrate" it without friction.Any damage caused by a bullet with a friction will be caused by a bullet without a friction, because the force of impact is still the same (just like a bullet hitting an ice, losing most of its energy and creating a hole in in, but retaining enough of it to spin on the "frictionless" ice surface).

What else would you call ripping part of somebody's soul and losing part of it in the process irreversibly? It's inherently ruinous as it's using Hemalurgy, Ruin's invested art, who as a Shard, cares only about ruining, destroying, changing, hurting and increasing entropy. The damage isn't temporary, it leaves permanent scars, cracks and holes in a person's soul (both donor and recipient), and damage to the body. Victims won't get their pieces of soul back without investiture healing (which would require a lot of gold, compounding levels), and even their scars on the soul will remain. It's Hemalurgy, it's always ruinous, it's always damaging.

I couldn't find anything about him being a Mistborn, he was from house Tekiel, a noble of a pure line, but nothing about having any powers. Coppermind: "Spook's grandfather had noble blood, it is likely this was his maternal grandfather as his mother's brother (Clubs) was also an Allomancer." Thier mother was a skaa mistress to a high-ranking noble lord. Unlikely but possible, in era 1 it did happen (Straff and his kids Allomancers), but era 2 I would say it's very unlikely among non-noble related people. It can happen but it's rare. How would storing make you a savant when you don't provide investiture to your soul necessary to expand it and change it? That's the problem with savantism and Feruchemy, explained in the WoB, it's end-neutral, you don't have more investiture than you can provide by storing it. Investiture doesn't come from outside, form Preservation nor Ruin, it comes from your body, not even soul. Feruchemy isn't "2-ability power" it's one power with multiple actions. The same way Allomancer can burn or flare a metal, Feruchemist can store and tap attributes. It's one power. One ability. Converting attributes into investiture and vice versa. Heightenings aren't Biochroma savants, because savantism is permanent and non-reversible by normal means. Heightenings are the natural effects of investiture, every highly invested object/people would have similar effects. Dawnshard novela spoiler:

Of course they were ruining, they used Hemalurgy, it's always ruining. Right intent, small spike and binding points, which avoid vital organs are most likely the reason why those people survived. The thing which was stolen from them is also a likely factor. Most likely similar to Warbreaker spoilers:

Rarity doesn't matter when Logicspren are plate spren, and they are extremely rare on the east, almost not appearing there. And Starspren are visible in the night sky, Kaladin described few as soon as in WoK, they are not that rare.

Starspren for Skybreakers who have Highspren for Radiant spren, looking like a black tear in the air with stars shining within. I don't know how much clearer I can get Gloryspren for Bondsmiths, pretty obvious after OB. But it's likely each Bondsmith gets his own plate spren. Firespren for Dustbringers also fit well. Captivityspren for Willshapers. Concentrationspren for Truthwatchers because of their scholarly focus. And Stonewards - Coldspren (because it's on peaks of the mountains so they are close to Peakspren), or Rockspren (if they exist), or I like the Idea proposed in a previous topic like this, Painspren. And of course, I will repeat myself one more time: #HungersprenForLift!

You're ready for some physics? Those are not the same forces, on a slide you also have force of reaction (Newton's 3rd law) pushing on you in the reaction to you sitting on it. The sum of those forces is pointing in a different direction. With the use of my superior Paint/Gimp skills, I prepared a visual help to make you understand what Abrasion is doing. Beware: I hope you understand it now.

Not strength, but object's will to be combined back together. What Dalinar did was a combination of Tension and Adhesion, but I still don't believe it just gave him increased strength. No, it doesn't. I disagree. Some maybe, most not. Especially in this case when Mistborn can push with such strength. Pewter doesn't heal like gold. It took months for Vin to heal her wound in TFE. Deadly wounds would still be deadly, even for this pure investiture Mistborn. It might take him a few more minutes to realize that, but it will kill him, and any soul wounds would be permanent.

Likely, but weren't that quoted plague a cold brought by 17-Shard members to Purelake?