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I think when speaking Mistwraith you steal some of his cognitive blockage and give it to yourself. But I also think that you're not turning into Kandra, you are making a completely new hemalurgic construct, that just resembles kandra, but very likely has mental blockade that your unaided brain can't piece that well. And because you're a new construct, Kandra Blessings won't work on you like they're working on Kandra. You might need to blindly create a totally new type of spike that will work with this new construct and help them to overcome this new limitation. Yes, that would be a better option. But you would need a lot of gold health to heal that ability back. If they can survive it in the first place of course. I think it doesn't change their physiology, but by altering their spirit, their mind gets changed and can naw overcome that mental blockage to be a full self. Without the Blessing they're back to being Mistwraith. Young Kandra are trained like Mistwraith to grow specific parts of the body by feeding them with it. By spiking Kandra you would likely still steal some of that mental blockade, because you're not stealing only the ability to shapeshift, you're stealing part of their spirit web, part of them, part of their identity. But that got me thinking. Like TLM revealed, precise intent and command are crucial in Hemalurgy. What if, with a very specific intent, command and mental image, you can steal whatever you want, like Misting ability, but without stealing any identity at all, because you were excluding it in your intent, command and mental image? What you would get is just blanked, unkeyed power that you can now “mixed” with other unkeyed power within the same spike, fully going around the identity contamination problem. I doubt this is the case, this seems “easy” to do, and because Set already knew about the command and intent, and also struggled with identity contamination problems, they would likely try this out. But maybe this requires a very high precision and a specific binding point and they just missed this possibility?

I've read the previous topic, and I agree that it might be that Kandra spikes contain more "humanity" in them, but I don't think you're stealing the personality of the donor and making the Kandra into that person in some limited way. Mistwraiths are described as people with cognitive blockade and Blessings allow them to overcome that blockade. I think that each Mistwraith already has a unique personality (and identity) and Blessing allows them to "reach" that cognitively. Yup, I think this is possible. Weird and possible. But the question is - can you grant yourself that spike and remain sentient? Or will you turn into a weird abomination, half human, half mistwraith, with cognitive blockage, something much closer to mindless chimaras than kandra. I think that might be the most likely scenario. No, Kandra can't regenerate a Shardblade cut. They can however shift and grow their body in a way to mitigate the damage done by it. But you're stealing mistwraith's ability to change shape, if he survives, he will be forever unable to change shape, but changing shapes and consuming bodies is the way mistwraiths are feeding themself, so even if he survives, he will starve to death eventually. But I doubt he would survive that spike. I'm noping out of here. There likely are, but I don't remember them being mentioned in books. Originally, Mistwraiths were made by Rashek from Terris Feruchemists, who lived in Terris, very close to the Well of Ascension. The Southern Scadrians were people moved by Rashek to preserve their genes in case he messed up genetics of people up north, and they were divided of Feruchemist genes (mostly, because everybody on Scadrial was made by Preservation and Ruin, everybody has very weak seed of metalic arts in them), therefore they didn't originate from Terrisan. That makes me think that Mistwraiths lived only in the Final Empire territory, not in the south. But after Catacendre Sazed might change something and move some of them south (but I doubt this).

So it is mathematically proven that you'll move backward in time if you exceed the speed of light? Fascinating. What about quantum entanglement? Doesn't information there travel instantaneously? If superposition collapsing is considered information at all. SPACE! ALIENS! Anything at all.

Nah, let it die. Memento Mori. We've already talked about it in Wax vs Kal. So, you know, mostly the same thing applies here. In this case you have a suppressor fabrial fueled by normal Stormlight vs primar cubes charged by aluminum or chromium with god-level strength of Mists. Unless Windrunner brings literally the whole Urithiru with him, I doubt his suppressor fabrial can reach the same power level as primar cubes charged by aluminum/chromium powered by Mists (chromium is useless, because they have infinite Stormlight). But I'm sure you will disagree, and nothing that I say will convince you, so let it die. Let Windrunner and Fullborn fight till the end of times and let this topic rest in pieces. Outside of the topic, I wonder what would primar cube charged with A-Atium do. Allow anybody in the rage to see the future of others? Edit: Omg my rep is Truthless. I'm fulfilled now. Is there Nightblood as well?

Possibly, bonds and investiture tend to fill the cracks in soul, so it's likely that in Aetherbound potential cracks are filled with Prime Aether's investiture. Their body literally has cracks filled with Aether. And this would likely make them harder to control. You don't have to worry about spoiler tags. TLM is out of spoiler period, you can write about it without spoiler tag, but I think it's still nice to spoiler tag some big things, but I don't even do it every time myself.

I believe they achieve the same thing, resisting Hemalurgic control, by different means. The Blessing of Presence makes the mind stronger. It gives resistance to madness (which is important as insanity alone cracks the soul) and improves the way the mind works, so you can mentally resist control. Blessing of Stability gives Kandra emotional stability. It makes them in control of their own emotions (more or less). Because Hemalurgic control, both imposed by Shards and Misting/Mistborn, works by manipulating emotions, someone who is in control of their own emotions is better in resisting their control, as emotional Allomancy can't create emotions that target doesn't feel. And If Kandra don't feel those emotions, it's harder to control them. On the other hand, stronger mind, given by the Blessing of Presence, grants willingness and strength to resist that control. I believe it does matter, but it doesn't scale up normally. Spike containing 4 powers will create a larger hole in the recipient's soul, to fit all those spirit web parts into his soul. That hole would be larger than made by 1 spike containing 1 power, but smaller than 4 separate spikes containing 1 power each. Each new spike rips a new hole in the recipient's spirit web, but the more invested the spike is, the bigger the hole, because the more investiture you need to "hot wire" into the recipient's spirit web. For me that's just logical.

The only thing I want more from Syl and Kal's relationship is for Syl to physically hug Kal when he's having a really bad time. Other than that they're perfect the way they are.

Or, just hear me out, the antimatter star quantum tunnel itself directly into the center of the matter star. And I know, quantum tunneling doesn't work like that you will say, but I'm just saying, there is a non zero chance that every particle in the antimatter star just tunnels itself into the matter star at the same time.

It's hard to say. Surges are for sure the main weapon of Yelig-Nar, but which one? Personally, I don't like the idea of Soulcasting at the distance, it works in books, yes, Jasnah did it in WoK, but in scenarios like this, it just turns the whole competition into "who can soulcast aluminum box around their opponent first", which is boring, stupid and lame. That's why I mostly think about soulcasting based on touch, as it just makes it more fun. Yelig-Nar can soulcast projectails from the air and lash them into HighHerald. That's one option. He can use Tension and Cohesion to turn the ground under HighHerald into liquid and than solid, trapping him in it. Soulcasting the ground/air into oil or flame. He can use Division on touch and burn HighHerald. Create Illusions to disorient HighHerald and strike by surprise. But here is the problem. HighHerald can do all of that too, and can counter that as well. Yelig-Nar turning the ground into liquid? HighHerald just needs to use Tension to force the ground around himself to remain solid. Yelig-Nar launching projectiles? HighHerald just Reverse Lash them into the ground safely or Soulcast the air in front of him into the stone. Division? HighHerald can do that too. Illusions? HighHerald can look into CR to know where Yelig-Nar is, and do Illusions as well. Everything that Yelig-Nar does, HighHerald can do too. But HighHerald can use Honorblades, which Yelig-Nar doesn't have. If Yelig-Nar's crystal body works like a Shardplate, it can be cracked and broken if it gets hit enough times. And when the crystal gets broken, it will damage Yelig-Nar or open him to Shardblade cut directly into his body (however it works). On the other hand, every damage that Yelig-Nar does, can be healed by HighHerald. This means that use of Surges cancels out, as they're equal, and the only thing that matters is the Shardplate-like crystal body of Yelig-Nar, and Honorblades of HighHerald. The only way for Yelig-Nar to win is to inflict so much damage to HighHerald in such a short period of time, that he can't heal any longer, but because Yelig-Nar's main offense is fully canceled out by HighHerald, he can't do it. He has no real advantage over HighHerald to create such scenario and inflict such damage to him. Which means that the offensive ability of HighHerald gives him a real advantage, which would win this fight. Shardplate-like crystal body of Yelig-Nar will only slow down his demise, but ultimately, HighHerald will win.

Cool. That's expected but sounds fun But that's in the case of 100% reaction efficiency? All matter and antimatter annihilates fully? I highly doubt it would be the case in real life. As the outer layers of brown dwarfs interact with each other, they might reach a point when they produce so much energy that they just blow away the rest of the matter and antimatter, preventing the majority of it from annihilating. You would still likely get dozens of times more energy than what supernovae produce and there would be some leftover reaction from the chunks of matter and antimatter reacting after being blown away. And I wonder if that amount of energy could collapse into a black hole. It probably isn't compressed enough to do so. For comparison, a brown dwarf is almost the size of Jupiter, while having 13-80 times more mass. Jupiter is 1000 less massive than our Sun, so two Sun mass stars, one from matter and other from antimatter, reacting together with 100% efficiency would be more energetic than "around" 50000 supernovae (per your calculations 500x100). Just imagine how bright that thing would be on Earth if it happened in the Milky Way.

Cheap - no. Available in greater numbers - yes. If they are made out of sapient spren, you can force them (I mean persuade them) into making more young spren, if from lesser, than they're numerous and expandable anyway. We don't know. Maybe total destruction of their physical form will release them from Physical Realm and they are now free. If they can willingly dismiss themselves, that's problem gone. If they need the command - you have the Awakened circuits which can issue them the command to dismiss themself right before the explosion. ' Tbf, because true spren are sapient investiture, and possibly made out of lesser spren, I bet if humans observe this process in great detail, they could replicate that and make sapient spren themself.

I'm not sure if Yelig-Nar gives the same surges as Radiants have, I think it's more what Fused have, and this is limited in use. But Assuming they are the same surges, and both can use it in the same way, there is still an issue with Honorblades. It's possible that Yelig-Nar's crystal body is invested, and could act like a Shardplate. But Honorblade gives range advantage in close combat, Yelig-Nar has to get closer into hand to hand combat, while Herald of Heralds (too long to write, I'm lazy, changing the name to HighHerald) has like 2m of advantage over Yelig-Nar. Which is very significant. Shardblade/Honorblade cut to the spine/brain is the best way to kill them, otherwise they can heal everything else. HighHerald can do it, while Yelig-Nar can't, everything that Yelig-Nar does can be healed by HighHerald, which gives the advantage to HighHerald.

Naah. Not in the future. Navani now knows how they are made, so they can easily convince spren to manifest itself as the Soulcaster. And the explosion won't damage the spren - it might destroy the physical Soulcaster, but the spren will be fine and can return to base to be used in another missile.

Smart missiles are expensive. And because you're using fabrials and anti-investiture, those missiles can be very small, so you need just small amounts of investiture to power them. Breaths are the most expensive parts of it. Instead of the Dor you can also use unkeyed Stormlight. And if you can tune unkeyed Stormlight into Endowmentlight - you now have a Breath replacement, making the missile far more cheaper. With this you are almost 100% sure that enemy Surgebinder or Mistborn will be killed, no matter what he does. Want to go even crazier? Give it transportation fabrial, allowing it to move into CR. Now the missile can not only follow its target into CR, but also travel through CR right up to the target and transport into PR to explode. Adding more, make warhead detachable, just before exploding, warhead is triggered and detached, while the core of the missile transports itself back into CR and then travels back to a base to be reused. Perfect, unstoppable weapon. Oh yeah, this too. Everything that detects kinetic investiture would work. You can of course put multiple systems for redundancy, or for detecting different types of investiture, one for kinetic, other for static, and the missile would target those with lots of static investiture first for example. Awakening a weapon and turning it into a perfect killing machine - what could go wrong? If only there was already an Awakened weapon that could warn us about possible unforeseeable effects

Your current body looks. The way you will age is based on how healthy you are, if you smoke, if you stress a lot, smile etc. Atium just takes your current body and makes it older/younger the way you are. If you're very muscular, you will be very muscular when aged, because this is not a part of aging, but you will be weaker, because your body is older. It doesn't involve your future/past, just your present. You can become a baby, for example if you tap Atium with duralumin.

Because of the recent Roshar vs Earth topic, I was thinking about the use of missiles against Radiants. Modern missiles can do a lot, and can be guided by lots of seeking systems, but against invested individuals, like Surgebinders or Mistborns, they’re lacking the most efficient way of guidance - detecting investiture. But in Cosmere, there are ways to accomplish that. In SotD there was a device that was able to detect Aviars and map them. And that made me thinking how to make a perfect missile for the future of Cosmere Guidance system. There are multiple ways to achieve this. Some Aviars have the ability to detect investiture, on Roshar Secretspren can detect and locate Surgebinding, on Nalthis Breaths grants the ability to detect life, amounts of Breath people have, even if an object is invested and how much it is invested. But most notably, on Scadrial, simple Allomantic bronze can detect usage of investiture as well. And there is a way to make a machine that can do that - Primar Cubes. So just charge a Pirmar Cube with a powerful A-bronze that can detect kinetic investiture from a great distance. Additionally I bet there are ways to extend the range of Primar Cubes in the same way as in Fabrial tech. Or use fabrial with Secretspren. This is the guidance system of the missile. Propulsion system Instead of using classical rocket fuel, why not use something better, more magical? Gravity Fabrial. Just use Gravity Fabrial that accelerates the missile into the specific direction. And this would make such a rocket much smaller in size, because it doesn't have to carry all of that fuel. The computer system The brain is necessary. And with additions of fabrials and Primar Cubes, a simple Earthly computer is not enough. But TotES introduced us to Awakened circuits. This will provide the brain to the rocket, allowing it to use A-bronze Primar Cube as a seeking device, filter targets to the specific use of investiture, like Metalborns or Surgebinding, target them and activate the gravity fabrial pulling the rocket into the target’s direction. Even if it misses, it can turn around and strike again. To make it better, the missile should strike like a Javelin, first pulled directly above the target, then strike vertically down. If invested enough, the Awakened circuits can alone detect even innate/static investiture, which would make the missile target even people that don’t actively use investiture at that moment, like metalminds or Stormlight. The warhead Harmonium-Trellium warhead or better Anti-Investiture warhead. It would be triggered in close proximity to the target. Additionally, you can make the missile work like a giant syringe that will inject proper Anti-Investiture into the target on contact to fully annihilate their soul, with no collateral damage. The battery Everything would be fueled by on board unkeyed Dor. Bunker buster Of course many targets might be in armored or protected structures, inside houses or in bunkers. Here the ability to penetrate through any obstacle before striking the target is very needed. And the Soulcaster Fabrial will do the job. WIth the proper wiring, and Awakened circuits, you can make the soulcaster to be activated in contact with structures and turn them all to dust, making a passageway through any obstacles outside of aluminum. For busting through aluminum shielding, design the missile to be just like a real life bunker buster missile on top of the Soulcaster. Protection To protect the rocket from enemy invested arts, like Surges, Soulcasting, Steelpush, the outer layer of the missile should be made out of aluminum, with proper holes in it for guidance system and Soulcaster to work. When the bronze detects the use of Surges targeted at the missile, the holes can be shut close with aluminum to fully encase the missile and protect it from all forms of invested arts, making the missile invulnerable. That kind of missile can strike any target, anywhere they are, and the missile can be launched from very far away, and it will seek its own target by itself. You can just release a swarm of missiles far above enemy territory and they will make sure that nobody is using investiture there. And that’s how you make modern, precision guided, investiture seeking, hypersonic, bunker buster, intercontinental, gravitational missile. Space era will be fun.

It stores youthfulness not age. You don't move your body through time into the future. You store youthfulness, when storing it your body thinks that it is now older, and it will physically change to that older version. Your 20 yo body just looks like it's 50 yo. It doesn't make you be like a person you will be 30 years in the future, You're not pulling your future self into the present or something like that. Future is not involved here. You're just tricking your body into thinking that it's older/younger than it really is. That's it.

I think there could be some cool stuff that Twinborn would be able to do. Because Fortune is more like a gut feeling, one possibility I see is tapping it when burning Electrum might make you instinctively react in a proper way to shadows, without you knowing why (as you can't process that amount of Shadows). Something like "I feel a strong need to duck right now". The other way I see it working, it's likely that electrum is already working based on Fortune (because most future sights work that way), therefore tapping it might let you see further into the future, or filter unlikely possibilities, leaving you with less amount of shadows, which now can be process by your normal brain. In the same way, storing Fortune makes you see shorter into the future, or more shadows will appear, as the probability function of the possible future expands, and you now see very unlikely possibilities, and you can't really use all those shadows now. Electrum can achieve the same thing as Atium, look directly into the Spiritual Realm and see the future like Elend did, but duralumin is needed. Therefore tapping Fortune would make you a bit closer to that threshold, and very likely, storing Fortune for decades, and then tapping all of it when burning electrum would make you achieve that and look straight into the Spiritual Realm like Elend.

BORING! I feel bad, I didn't think about that and instead I wanted to just massacre people. But I bet from animals you would get less investiture, but that's certainly a more "humane" way.

Silver has just unique properties in Cosmere. Raboniel was given a silver chain that anchors people through cognitive anomalies in the Cognitive Realm, which is very valuable and rare. Raboniel's dagger was made out of silver-nickel alloy. On Roshar it possibly can be used to permanently kill spren. It's also suggested in WoB that silver can be invested with Stormlight. On Scadrial it is Allomantically inert, and when burned by Mistborn it doesn't make them sick (Mistborn burning wrong alloys makes them sick), and even has some undiscovered properties. Electrum is an alloy of gold and silver. Silver is significant across the whole Cosmere. Aether Cognitive Shadow? Aether is the name for two things: Prime Aethers, which are sentient beings, and Aethers which are the "essence" of Prime Aethers (vines, roselite, Midnight Essence etc.). Cognitive Shadow is when a person's soul after death get invested to the point where they don't feel the pull into the Beyond. Kelsier is one, Returned, Heralds, Fused are the others. And Shades are as well. However, Shades are different because during early days after the Shattering, Ambition was fighting Odium (and likely Mercy) near Threnody, and chunks of Ambition's power were raining down on the system, corrupting the planet and investiture on it. Both Shades and the Evil are the result of this event. Shades are called Cognitive Shadows not only by Brandon, but also in books - by Khriss in Ars Arcanum, by Nazh and Ire in Secret History, and likely somewhere else. They are very much made out of humans (again, Silence's grandmother has been turned into a Shade), and those humans are neither Spore Eaters or Aetherbound - they have no connection to Aethers. Shades are less aware than normal Cognitive Shadows, but there is still something left of them (like Silence's grandmother never attacks Silence). Apparently, there are rituals on Threnody to make normal Cognitive Shadows. Aethers don't turn people they kill into Aethers. There is no similarity here. The Evil itself might be of Aethers, we know almost nothing about it, but Shades and the Evil, as far as we know, are not the same phenomena. Shades are independent from the Evil, and there were no Shades on the continent where Evil is. WoBs: But I give you that, there is a connection between Aethers and Shades because of silver, but I think it's because of how silver works in Cosmere, not because Shades are Aethers (again, there is a way to kill spren with silver, and spren aren't Aethers, they are far closer to Cognitive Shadows like Shades):

I doubt it holds any charge. What I think happened is, with the right intent and mindset, somebody in Physical Realm (Spook) pushed a spike into a body, and this spike passed through Kelsier, who was standing right in front of that body in Cognitive Realm, and because of the intent, the spike hit his soul and attached it to the body behind him. Which was a mistwraith holding his bones.

I don't know if Yelig-Nar provides Adhesion, OB epigraphs ch 95 says "all Surges", but it also says "perhaps". But without a Shardblade, Yelig-Nar has little chances of fighting against Honorblades, unless he soulcast aluminum sword/cane of his own. Yelig-Nar might grant some greater skills in combat (per Coppermind), but that isn't better than a Shardblade. Plus the Herald of Heralds is unchained (unbound? Which one is which? I forget...), even if Yelig-Nar had Adhesion, it might not be connection manipulation type, and if he can bondsmith, I highly doubt he could be at the level of unchained Bondsmith Those are quartz, not true gemhearts, can pure quartz hold Stormlight?

No stealing, it just replaces his eye, changing his body around the spike and the way he perceives the world. The spike staples his soul to the body, that's likely all what it does. Hard to say. Returned already "peek" into the Spiritual Realm and see the future, but in a very limited way. I think at best you could replicate this, but it would require massive amounts of Breaths, and a type 4 object. Stealing Atium future sight? No, but stealing Atium allomancy? Yes. There is Fortune, which you can steal. Most future sight are working based on Fortune, which can be stolen with chromium. Every person has the attribute of Fortune. So yes, you can steal fortune from people, but it won't give you Atium future sight, it will give you permanent F-chromium (which is Fortune storing). Keep in mind, Fortune that people have access to is more like a gut feeling, not a real future sight.

We're assuming they have proper technology, and aluminum is minable, for now it might be too deep to reach, but with future tech why not I was counting backwards. First Desolation was around 7000 years before WoK (but sapient spren existed before, likely as soon as Honor and Cultivation arrive, so around 10000 years before WoK), Recreance 2000 years, therefore 5000 years for spren population to grow before they were all killed. The WoB suggests the number of spren, not creation of spren, serves as a release valve. The coppermind states that the Forum can fit a few hundred sprens sitting, not thousands of them. And "supporters" of Adolin were few compared to the opposition. From a human perspective, not spren. Plus Honorspren are aided by Mistspren (on ship at least) if I remember correctly. No, there are no fossils on Roshar.

No Allomancy, just steelsight. I think it's very unlikely. Blessings are made differently than normal spikes, and Kandra still don't know how to make them.