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During a fight, yes, but if you want to skip some time, let's say 16 days, what's better than cadmium with duralumin? Basically the best way to jump far into the future without aging. Shade encounter. Also aluminum can cleanse your soul and body of unwanted effects of other investiture which can be very handy when fighting with some individuals who have access to invested art. Tress spoilers: Add to it chromium which with duralumin would leech instantly. Very handy against highly invested opponents.

Unlikely. Even by the time of RoW there were still some Fused on Braize that were never sent to Roshar. Moreover the mechanism of the Oathpact would send her back to Roshar the moment the Desolation started. Per teknopathetic's theory it was Chana who broke, not Taln, it was Chana who allowed Fused to go back on Roshar. Taln was sent back on Roshar BEFORE the Everstorm was summoned, which is how the Oathpact works - it sends Heralds back immediately but keeps Fused and Voidspren from returning for a short time - there were at least 80 days between Taln's return and the Everstorm summoning. She is somewhere on Roshar now. Alternatively Odium saw a future possibility where Chana died, and he sent Unmades to house Davar to make sure she will die - her death was predicted and exploited by Odium and this allowed Odium to sent Fused on Roshar - the Everstorm alone might not be able to do that.

Nope, not even close. At best they would be close to the level of Lerasium Mistborn. Allomancy deals with very little amounts of investiture. It took Vin literally every bit of Mists to transcend all 3 Realms (while Ascending). Not to mention there is a limit of 4 spikes giving powers - more spikes won't give you anything (TLM Ars Arcanum). With Metallic Arts you need compounding, which isn't cheating. Easier way is to just stack a pile of Harmonium in one place. Nightblood is kind of one already - he exists in all 3 Realms. You can't travel through it but it's close to being perpendicularity under some loose definition. If that's not enough for you, you probably need to Awaken something with a very specific command (like transport me to CR) and with a huge amount of Breaths. I don't even know what to say. Just steal Elsecaller or Willshaper's power of Transportation, or Bondsmith's power to form a perpendicularity, and there you have it. Or steal Elantrian's powers. Just do Aon Tia with proper modifications. Elantrians can replicate everything. Forge yourself to exist physically in CR. Hard but possible if you someday pass by a real perpendicularity. No, similar to AonDor - they already have a similar method of transportation, it's likely some proper modifications and intent will allow them to enter CR. Lift has a greater presence in CR, Cultivation can for sure pull you fully into CR. Nightwatcher probably not but who knows. I disagree. That's what a perpendicularity is - it's a massive amount of investiture piercing all 3 Realms. Now would those methods produce a traversable perpendicularity is a different question. Nightblood is piercing all 3 Realms but isn't traversable.

Coincidence. Either Odium didn't predict that Chana would die and prepared another plan, or he really wanted to get rid of the Oathpact no matter what. That's why the Everstorm was his new main plan - now even if Herald dies, Fused and Voidspren will remain on Roshar, bound to a constant rebirth cycle in the Everstorm. The Oathpact is just useless now.

Yup, Kaladin and Szeth in Shinovar, BAM, contest of champions and Maya! More Maya.

No, at least not to the same degree as you could do with Nightmares. Maybe slight alterations to their form, like height, width etc, just what measuring them do, but that's it. First off, Nightmares aren't Spren, they are Cognitive Shadows like Heralds or Fused. Cognitive Shadows are susceptible to people's perception, but that's visible usually over longer periods of time. Secondly, Spren on Roshar have an oversight of three, active Shards, there is no Shard on Komashi anymore, and that's partially why they are so easy to mold. Nightmares have something else going on - they lack Identity and that's most likely why they are so easily shaped by painters. And you definitely can't affect a physical form of a Spren, they are made out of god metal, that's a different state entirely. Yumi ch 39:

Good point. Looking at the chapter, he might be healing in the moment when Marasi shot him - earlier she wounded him in the arm, and later, after she shot him, he somehow had a broken jaw - likely from her 3 shots. So either he was healing already, or Marasi shots weren't precise as she was stunned, with her vision blurred, and they weren't immediately lethal, thus possible to heal for a Bloodmaker. Or third option - Autonomy was interfering. After all, his eyes started to glow red before she shot him. Or indeed, there was something to Trellium spikes, given by a proper Command, that allowed him to heal those wounds (still I think that's the least likely scenario). TLM ch 6: I still don't think it would be so straightforward. What you need to do, if you want to have an easier Hemalurgic control, is to widen cracks in a soul - this might be achievable with a proper Command. But this would be done in the moment of spiking and that's when the Command would work. Yes, Awakening and Hemalurgy have some similarities. And that's exactly what I've tried to say - for your ideas to work you need to grant spikes self-awareness, a mind to control them. Without that they can't just turn on and off and do stuff like that. They need to be made similarly to how Malwish medallions are made, but we don't know how they are made (except that there is a device for that) and if they even use some Command. It might be possible to make self-aware spikes, then your ideas might work. But how to make them is the question now.

Sorry, I wanted to answer later but forgot. No. This is due to numbers of spikes in recipient causing sufficient cracks in soul for emotional allomancy to put pressure on mind and take control. That sounds a lot like Surgebinding bound to Spren and Oaths. Hard maybe. No. Spike can't move on its own, even if Awakened. I don't see a way for your spikes to suddenly kill you. Actually that's the effect of the body's intent taking over. Body forces the intent of survival and reaches out to the nearest source of healing available - tapping metalmind. That's what Radiants are doing when unconscious, Mistborn by burning pewter etc. Mind isn't needed anymore if the mind, the body and the soul are still connected. But maybe you could do something like that. If there is a specific intent, like the body's intent to survive, your spike can be programmed to activate and burn duralumin, for example, to heal you instantly as your body reaches for your goldminds. Basically you might be able to program your spikes to react to certain intents, but that's not really so different than literally burning metals, and would only be useful in very specific situations. But this seems not how it works - spikes just hold a piece of soul - it's your mind that's activating them, not spikes. You would need to Awaken spikes to work like that, to be able to activate when some intent is provided. On their own they won't just start burning metals - you need to do that. Commands in Hemalurgy work most likely only for stealing and granting powers, I doubt they would affect spikes in the long term. Hemalurgy isn't Awakening. Don't expect spikes to do something that they don't do naturally. Most of this seems far-fetched, the first two propositions are certain in my opinion, and by their own would allow you to do a looooot - like steal all 4 physical Allomantic powers with a single spike from a Mistborn, or do precise stealing etc. Commands can also allow for precise insertion of charged spikes into recipient, to connect spikes to their soul with minimal damage to it. So while you won't overcome the limit of 4 spikes, your spikes could possibly be full of different powers, even from different people, and a good Command might even allow you to steal them without any identity attached to them (doubtful).

No. I think (and most probably will think the same) he is referring to a proper, sentient Cognitive Shadow, not Shades. You don't need any ritual to become a Shade, you just need to get killed by another Shade. Most likelt there are ways of Threnody that will make you a normal Cognitive Shadow, and Nazh knows about them. It was the opposite - humans discovered the Forests of Hell before Evil appeared and conquered the Fallen World. The Forest of Hell was already populated by Shades when humans discovered it. I doubt the Evil is responsible for Shades. From the Arcanum Unbounded we know that parts of Ambition were thrown at Threnodite system during fight between Shards, I believe this corrupted whatever investiture was present here and changed its nature, including all humans living here. People turning into Shades is most likely the result of the fight between Odium and Ambition, and chunks of Ambition raining down on Threnody. I doubt people were being turned into Shades before this fight. But there is still a way for a Threnodite to become a proper Cognitive Shadow, not a Shade, and this is what Nazh was talking about. Also this WoB said the lack of Shard influences Cognitive Shadows: Cosmere spoilers: But it's true, there is more to Shades than them being just mindlessly aggressive - Silence's grandmother has never attacked Silence, even when enraged.

Any aluminum alloy gets the property of aluminum, so this likely includes duralumin, at least in some cases. I doubt duralumin alone would be easier to cut with a Shardblade, it probably would resist it more because it's 96% aluminum. Keep in mind Allomantic effects of metals aren't the same as their effects in contact with investiture in general (like in fabrials, spores or Awakening). The material of which the object you're trying to push/pull has no effect on your push/pull unless it's aluminum (and its alloys). But in fabrials duralumin might supercharge effects of a fabrial. But we don't know this.

No need for a spoiler warning for BoM. Secondly this was half a year ago, please do not revive old threads, it's against forum policies. Marasi couldn't just burn all metals until she stole vials of metals and drank them. Bands of Mourning are made out of all 16 metaminds. Each metalmind is drained separately - Marasi tapped so much speed that Wax noted later that the steelmind was almost empty. WoB: BoM ch 28: BoM ch 29: I was referring to multiple WoBs where Brandon RAFO questions about nicrosilminds storing Stormlight, Breaths etc, while abilities like Surgebinding or Allomancy or even a Divine Breath are confirmed to be stored in nicrosil. Therefore we don't know if you can simply store static or kinetic investiture in nicrosilminds, but right now all evidence points out that only abilities, not raw investiture, can be stored in nicrosil..

The intent of the Shard mostly defines how the power is obtained in their invested art (not to say that invested art isn't defined by the intent, it is, but this doesn't have to be a very obvious connection). Invention is creative ability, a gift changing the society - it most likely would be end-positive and everyone could use it, very similar to Endowment's Awakening or Fabrials. It would be fitting that Invention's invested art would be around creating devices to harness fundamental forces, so they can be used by anyone on their planet. But to be fair it can be anything. Yes, we did a lot of worldbuilding for different Invention magic systems. Invention just kept coming back:

Yes, Hoid is storing memories in Breaths, and in Warbreaker it was shown to us that this is possible. Warbreaker ch 50: Warbreaker ch 57:

Well, when you live for thousands of years, and are a member of a very important Cosmere-wide organization, you will have lots of opportunities to meet Hoid. Characters less important than her get to know him.

Cosmere spoilers: She doesn't seem to want to dominate Lumar, nor does she have any particular goal in mind, she just wants to torment people in an undeveloped world, without entities powerful enough to rival her. She's very sadistic and enjoys coming up with particularly cruel and twisted curses, that's why she was on Lumar. She was very unhappy when she discovered that Xisis lives on Lumar, and even more when Hoid arrived there too, purposefully searching for her to become Elantrian. Tress ch 64:

I don't agree. While the similarities to the Dor are a good catch, I don't agree that the Everstorm was unavoidable. We know that Everstorm is a broken off fraction of the barrier storm surrounding Braize in CR - Odium broke off part of this storm and slowly moved it to Roshar, for somebody to summon it into PR. But it won't jump between realms on its own, nor will it gain more power just out of nothing. RoW ch 86: RoW ch 89: Also this Diagram quote for me is another thing: In my opinion it talks about the "missing" Radiant Order. Lightspren decided to bond with Listeners, not humans, and Taravangian couldn't locate these order members, until he realized what would happen. If Listeners were to get Willshaper powers, they would turn away from Stormspren and forms of powers, and would never summon Everstorm, thus never forming needed "bridge". That's why Alethi had to be pushed to destroy them, forcing them to use Stormform, preventing Eshonai from becoming a full Willshaper, and other Lightspren from bonding with Listeners. There is an upper limit on how much power a Shard can use at once (and that includes everything they're invested in) and just leaving Odium imprisoned won't build up his power above that limit. Odium can't really use his power when he's trapped on Braize - what's in use is his power in Void spren, Fused, the storm around Braize and that's unchanging. Most of his power is binded and he can't do much with it, it won't build up. The same goes with the Dor on Sel - it won't build up till infinity. The Dor that used to be used up by Elantrians, AonDor and the city itself was left unused after Reon, and this energy was slowly returning back to CR near Elantris, but nobody was extracting it anymore, thus it was building up a bit - but it would just build up until every last bit of investiture that used to be used would return and then the Dor would reach equilibrium - nothing extracted, nothing gained. But on its own it would not burst into PR just like that - Raoden had to draw first correct Aon to ease up the pressure that was accumulating there, and make the Dor return to the cycle (like Atium cycle takes 300 years for Atium to be spawned after the Pits were destroyed).

General Brandon stuff: Cosmere spoilers: Mistborn spoilers: Stormlight Archive spoilers:

I know, I used to argue like this once. I find it unlikely to be evenpossible as normally it's metal's chemical composition that gives proper effect to the power. However in the case of god metals it's the investiture itself that not only is the fuel, but is restricted to do one, very specific thing. Preservation can't change the essence of another Shard, and I doubt even Ruin could change what Atium or Atium alloys do - they are physical manifestations of him, he would have to change his nature to change what Atium does. At most Preservation could allow or restrict Mistings/Ferrings to be able to use their god metal alloys as well as their base metals.

I'm not saying those are the same things, that Vin's mother was spiked. I'm only saying that Ruin can have some level of influence over mentally unstable or spiked people. We see this in SH, where Kelsier was able to talk to spiked individuals and also to mentally damaged people - some weren't showing any visible signs of mental instability, yet their souls were cracked allowing Kelsier (and Ruin) to enter and influence them. SH ch 6.3: While this particular example ended horribly after a few days of struggle, given enough time, years even, Ruin could slowly imprint the idea of particular way of experimentation with Atium to Shezler, leading to the discovery of Malatium. Generally yes, but I don't think it matters in this case. It's a purely mechanical process. The chemical composition of metal is just a filter for the power to come through. Creating steel doesn't require any special intent, creating Malatium shouldn't require it as well. Anyone who would try to melt Atium would realize it's an alloy and could simply work with that. Well, that was before the retcon changed a lot of things and came in conflict with lots of WoBs and annotations. Now Preservation couldn't change the effect of Atium alloys, and we have no reason to believe that Era 1 Atium was called just Atium, not Atium-electrum alloy or other fancy name, because Preservation designed it that way. Preservation only Splintered Ruin and created the Pits of Hathsin, binding Ruin's essence to leak out of it in form of Atium-electrum alloy, but he likely didn't alter its effect, nor did he alter Malatium's effect - he can't have such influence over Ruin's own essence to change what it does. The same goes with making them Allomantically viable - unlikely to happen now after the retcon, as that's the nature of god metals - everyone can burn them. The nature of god metal alloys are likely more limited, thus only Mistings of those base metals can burn their god metal alloys. What Preservation did was prepare the weapon (Atium-electrum alloy), soldiers (Mistsnapped electrum Mistings), prophecies and signs (16% of which 1% was electrum Mistings being sick for 16 days) for people to prevent Ruin from gaining the upper hand. No altering of Allomancy is not needed after the retcon,

Ruin changed prophecies about the Hero of Ages, influenced Alendi, whispered to Rashek, used Vin's mother to spike Vin (and he spiked Alendi too, possibly Zane), influenced Vin and Zane as well, not to mention inquisitors. He had a great deal of influence over people even when imprisoned, and was particularly subtle with Vin. Sazed also claimed Ruin fabricated stories about Malatium, and I'm willing to believe him. Ruin didn't have to teach anyone metallurgy - Shezler already was a scholar, he would pick Ruin's attention when he started to experiment with Atium (or even this was Ruin's doing). Then the only thing Ruin needed to do was insert thoughts into his mind 'what if you try to melt it", "what if you remove silver from it" and that's it, Malatium is discovered. HoA ch 24 epigraph: Those prophecies about Malatium could be simply inserted into Shezler's notes, after Kelsier took them. Nothing more. Googling it now, electrum was referred to sometimes as white gold, but also pale gold or green gold. In that case white gold is the same as electrum so no change would be done. Modern white gold is an alloy of gold, nickel, zinc or other white metals - that's not Malatium: For Malatium to fit base metals and alloy rules, it has to be an alloy of pure Atium and gold (plus some impurities which can be removed as technology progresses). But that's it. It can't be an alloy of Atium and electrum, as that's Era 1 Atium. You can't have two the same alloys, just with a slightly different composition. An alloy of 80% gold + 20% silver is still called electrum. Just like there is one duralumin alloy that works, there is only one electrum alloy that works, and therefore there has to be only one Atium-electrum alloy that works. Alloying Era 1 Atium with more gold would make just a different electrum alloy, which isn't Allomantically viable anymore. Malatium can't be an alloy of Atium and electrum, as that one already exissts, it has to be an alloy with gold, because that's the pair to electrum in base metals. That's how I see it, it's fine to disagree and search for other possibilities of course, it's more fun this way.

True, but on the other hand they didn't know what Atium is at all. If they tried to melt it, to measure its properties and melting point (which is very reasonable and scientific thing to do), and parts of it would melt, while some would remain in the solid form, they would know for sure that Era 1 Atium is an alloy, and would quickly deduce that it's an alloy of gold, silver and some third unidentified component. We don't know how Malatium was discovered, however we know Ruin was fabricated the story about it - I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved directly in Malatium's discovery, and Coppermind indicates that was the case: If Ruin was involved, they would have every reason to remove silver from Atium, even if they don't truly understand why.

I disagree - it's an alloy of Atium god metal, not Era 1 Atium. Both Era 1 Atium and Malatium are alloys of god metal, and works like a god metal should work - Era 1 Atium is paired with electrum, while malatium is paired with gold. I don't think Era 1 Atium alloyed with more gold would work at all - it's no longer Pure Atium alloy, and electrum + more gold isn't a base 16 metal. It just doesn't make sense to me for Malatium to be an alloy of Era 1 Atium as it wouldn't fit the table at all. Yes, there might be some contamination present, but overall it should be an alloy of pure Atium and gold. Harmonium changes when heated, it glows (Trellium too), it becomes more malleable, more stable, and even rearranges itself to have visual characteristics of both Atium and Lerasium. So we know god metal reacts to heating, and behaves just like a normal metal would behave when heated. And because in Cosmere investiture=energy=matter, I see no reason why a god metal, if given enough energy, wouldn't be able to melt and change states into liquid investiture. Wax was able to reach only 3000 degrees (it wasn't said if F or C), but some materials, like tungsten, have a melting point even above that - 3422 °C (6191.6 °F). Even if Atium itself doesn't melt for some magical reason, gold and silver in Atium alloy would still melt.

Chana. Just read this thread:

That's a good question. But we know nothing about Shallan's mother. I think it would be really easy for her to fabricate her ancestry - just say you come from the other side of Jah Keved, some backwater village, low Dahn, tell your parents are dead, steal identity of some dead noble daughter of some dead family, maybe even make a deal with real nobles to cover for you and pretend to be your parents and that's it. Why did she bother with that? Well if she is a Herald, who wants to have a family, her madness would have something to do with that. I doubt Jasnah knows about it. She would be far more interested in Shallan's family and definitely ask Shallan more about her mother and father, but there was nothing like that.

T'Telir - I love this place. So lovely, colorful and warm. Nice parks and restaurants. And I can get some Breaths and have fun with Awakening!