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I think this is the case.

If Moash wanted to kill Roshone he would've started hunting him by now. Moash no longer seems to have any agency.

I dunno but its sad....they seem so weak.

Shallans character is very incredibly well conceptualized and the way her past and the nature of her magic inform her psyche is very, very well done. The thing is, Shallan is not someone I would want to follow or talk to or meet at all.....

He's a late 53-ish year old. Dunno what this nonsense about earth years matters.

Lol, a passing thought that came to Sanderson as he was writing does not make me pause at all. I don't believe for a 2nd that his outline called for the book to end at that point and that he then just made some fluff up. That's silly imo.

Hmmm, Im assuming you dont want to discuss Adhesion being used to stick things together? Besides that, Kaladin unconciously used physical Adhesion when he tried to block the Highstorm and when he was flying a large group of people to keep everyone together and minimize wind resistance. We know from Brandon that Windrunners can also create pockets of air to travel through space and likely under water as an extension. I'm pretty sure spiritual Adhesion along with spiritual Gravitation is what lends to the Windrunner resonance.

I find that doubtful since Surgebinders were only brought into line when the Heralds stopped twiddling their thumbs. Honor was taken by surprise by the Rosharan Surgebinders and they basically roamed freely for centuries doing as they pleased. The only limits we've seen were the restrictions of the oaths which determined how much power the Surgebinders could access at which stages of development. I don't see why or how Kaladin would be more powerful than an unoathed Honor spren bonded Surgebinder.

I disagree with everything you said OP. His arc would have felt needlessly truncated had it ended with Elokhar.

I don't see why Honors death would result in power ups for the Radiants.... Pre Radiant rogue surgebinders must have been ridiculous to deal with.

They control the fundamental forces that shaped the world...of course they're extremely powerful. We've known Soulcasting was OP since Jasnah took care of those back alley thugs and this is when she isn't a full radiant and was hiding that she could soulcast without a fabrial.....and that was only one of the 10 powers! No, other than I Am Unity, this is what I expected. Brandon wouldn't give them such ridiculous systems of power and not fully explore them. I just need know how the FUDGE Odium consistently killed the flippin Heralds who were powered by Honor directly or how his forces avoided being babyshaked by thousands of Radiants. Howwwwwww?????

Dalinar!!!!!!!

He sided with you the Singers because he views humanity as unworthy of ruling Roshar. He wasnt just going along with the flow. He's explicitly given a free choice and decides to dedicate himself to the Singers. And no, Moash is no fool, crappy as his luck is. He's shown to be very intelligent and competent. In particular, I was impressed that he immediately grasped that the Singers were attempting to over burden Kholinar with refugees even when Kaladin the soldier could not. I dunno he seems to have done quite well. Even with no resources and put in a position where he was expected to die, he took initiative and actually personally brought down the king of Alethkar. No guiding spirits or magic, just wit and will. He's now gained the respect of the Singers and Fused and had been made the owner of Jezriens own Honorblade. To be fair, the world wasn't really ending....theres just a shift in leadership and Moash is playing his best game for his side. Saying killing Elokhar was a poor play simply because his child happened to be at the battle seems small minded....like, how? He's dark eyed again.

My fave from Warbreaker. Never expected her to show up asthis boss was woman! And with an Awakened female sword no less, lol. I'll have more to say about her later though I wonder how non Warbreaker readers reacted to her??

Yes, Kaladin has a dope name...it is known. This was revealed forever ago though

- Eshonai as she was was a bore and a retread of Dalinar and Kaladin struggles with the weight of leadership. Venli is so much more interesting! Her corpse being discovered was more conpelling than every WoR Eshonai chapter combined... - Past Eshonai is awesome and highly readable as evidenced by the prologue. - Sanderson wants you to read for characters he has announced as future viewpoint book holders (Taln will die in Book 4 btw). - This shakes up the narrative structure for the flashback sequences in an interesting way... Kaladins flashbacks taught you about Kaladin, Shallans about Shallan, and Dalinars about Dalinar but Eshonai will teach you about Venli and pre was Listener culture.

I'm sorry, are you Toaster Retribution by another name or some other toast themed poster? You have a million posts but I've never seen you? Anywhos Moash is not a likeable person in my opinion and I couldn't ever bring myself to root for him after his first few chapters.....i found his generally disinterested worldview extremely off putting. Odium's emotion eating is just nasty; it's scary that he cannot bring himself to give a damnation even when he wants to. How could anyone live with that passionless numbness? He is very interesting though so I also don't consider him to be a bad character at all. He's easily the character I had the most trouble empathizing with and understanding so I had to put more thought into his story than I did any other in the book. That his mental state was exaggerated by magical forces didn't help matters. He's easily one of the characters in most excited to see work in the future books so Brandon is doing something right. Hope Leshwi and Khens group stock around as his entourage (especially Leshwi...my inner shipping fangirl hat is on). Anyone else want to see Nale preach to Moash? Nale has walked the same path and struggles with sympathizing and feeling emotions. Maybe he can teach Vyre how to fight with an Honorblade.....lord knows he needs practice with a sword. He's awesome with a spear but a spear will be useless to him in the battles to come.

Yes but what passages or lines did you read? He prioritizes vengeance over them but that doesn't mean he had no heart for them.

Hmmmm, he takes a fatalistic outlook in humanity's nature during Oathbringer but where do you get that he doesn't naturally care about his friends?

This is apparently correct. Hatred is just the most dangerous of the extreme emotions he embodies and the one which paints him unambiguously as an enemy. I don't see how he could somehow show Dalinar a false truth of his Intent. I must say....I prefer him being simply Odium......it's cooler than Passion in my opinion.

Maybe. Honestly, I don't want Moash to be Odiums champion.....I do think he will wind up being used to push Kaladin into speaking his 5th oath though later in the series. For that, these plot parallels are unneeded but I suppose Sanderson wanted us to have Kaladin story in the back of our mind.

My question was really "what's the point of all these parallels between the two?" They're so incredibly different and the influence a around them are totally different. How can one serve as a mirror for the other? Kaladin tied his will to live with keeping Bridge 4 alive.....saving them was the only thing keeping him going. Moash had a will separate from just hanging out with a bunch of slaves....once he had helped and trained them he had no reason to stay with them. He clearly has no desire for companionship.

What happens after isn't Moashs reponsibility....he doeant have to nanny people. Even knowing he might be punished he still stepped in to assist the Parshmen with their load.

Yeah, saving Kaladin's life, desiring to save Dalinar from the Tower Battle though it could mean his death or imprisonment, and assisting the parshmen slaves are some bigger examples. Moash and Kaladin come from very different backgrounds.... Obviously Moash doesn't make the best choices (he admits it repeatedly) but paralleling him to Kaladin is just odd, imo. Moash doesn't strive to be like Kaladin so what's the point, I wonder.

Well yeah...hence my confusion as the parallels between the two stories. The thing is Kaladin didn't deal with anything alone. If not for his super magic fairy partner he would have committed suicide.....he wouldn't have become like Moash, he would have just been dead. Even with Syl yelling in his ears, Kaladin still indicated in WoR that his anger amd hate are the product sof his environment as well...same as Moash later. Unlike Kaladin, Moash had no support system whatsoever (I still find it odd that no one recognizes that Kal betrayed Moash) and Odium's manipulation begins almost immediately. What would Moash have become if he had an angel on his soldier? We don't know.