Kingsdaughter613

For age. But I think there should be a way to access the inherent investiture of the metal too. It’s a separate thing.

Basically, yes. Normal metal minds have no inherent investiture. They only contain investiture when filled. Harmonium IS Investiture in solid form, as was Atium and Lerasium. That’s the difference. Atium was an exception too, btw. When burned the power came from the metal itself, as opposed to the metal acting as a means to access Preservation’s power.

I think you’d need to tap the investiture inherent in the God metal. NOT burn it, because that’s the wrong system. You burn Lerasium to become an allomancer, thus it is using it within the system it grants. You spike yourself to become a Hemalurgist; again it used within the intended system. So you should have to tap to become a Feruchemist...

I agree with @danox46 about what Harmonium would normally do. However, I think if you can find a way to tap the metal’s OWN investiture, it would cause someone to become a Feruchemist.

It wouldn’t let me add the quote. Sorry, that wasn’t clear. I meant grant in the sense that burning Tin gives you heightened senses. Not that Harmonium alters the spirit web when burnt. It would give you an allomantic power while it is being burnt by a mistborn/Harmonium misting.

I can’t figure out how to make this one post. Can someone combine them? There weren’t. But mistings existed. The first Feruchemists seem to have been created by Preservation. There is another method, but it is currently unknown.

I suspect it may, but not by burning (which is allomancy). I think you’d have to tap the investiture inherent in the metal. (Remember, the God metals are solid investiture, as opposed to ordinary metals.) Burning Harmonium should grant an allomantic ability. A Harmonium spike should steal/grant an ability.

There is a method, but we don’t know it yet.

Well, speaking of Fire Emblem, Kell reminds me of Arvis. (So does the Lord Ruler, interestingly.) Ruin is Loptyr and Marsh is Julius. I suppose that makes Preservation Naga. Or Sazed... Julia would probably be Vin and Elend would be Seliph... or Sigurd. I could see Spook as Shanan or Ares, even. I may also adore Geneology of the Holy War, am hoping desperately for a remake, and praying that this time it’ll be released in the US, all plot elements intact. Comics wise: Batman (who I am convinced is a psychopath). And Vin is Cass. Saze is Alfred!!

No, because Nicrosil was one of the metals they didn’t have/know about. Nicrosil requires silicon. Getting pure silicon is tricky. While technically possible to create, it is unlikely that anyone did so prior to the Catascande. Thus, the Inquisitors would not have had a Feruchemical nicrosil spike. Which is why Kell and Spook would have had to make one - and to do so within the first ten years. Unless, of course, they had another way of accessing the ability...

Being immortal (very long lived) is actually the easy one. Spook was already a Mistborn; all he needed was F Atium and a supply of the metal. What is hinted at is that Spook and Kell somehow found a source of it. We’re pretty much told that that’s how he did it. One spike for F Atium is rather different than acquiring all 16 metals - including the ones that there were no existing spikes for and were likely not discovered for some time after the Catascande. More than ten years anyway. The technology involved makes it tricky; it takes time to build infrastructure from scratch. Unless Spook and Kell spiked four people later (not impossible) they wouldn’t even have four of the metals! But that creates the big problem with your theory; one of those metals is Nicrosil. There were Nicrosil mistings, but they didn’t have Nicrosil spikes. And there were no Feruchemists. Any Soulbearer Ferrings would have been children, ten years after the Catascande. So the oldest Soulbearer would have been around nine, if one was born exactly 9 months after the Catascande. Unless Spook and Kell brutally murdered a nine year old, I don’t see how they could have gotten a Feruchemical nicrosil spike in time. And Kell definitely had access to F Nicrosil; he couldn’t have made the original medallions otherwise. Which means he had another way of accessing Feruchemical Nicrosil... and likely all the other such abilities.

Being spiked opens you up to be influenced, even if it isn’t enough for control. I doubt Kell is going to risk more than he has to in this regard. Being controlled or influenced by an unknown is something he’d want to avoid at all costs. He was much older than most when he Snapped. He liked being Mistborn, embraced it, but it wasn’t an integral part of his identity. He’s disappointed when he doesn’t have them anymore, but he recovers almost immediately. He didn’t have feruchemical powers at all. As useful as they are, I don’t see him going to the trouble of spiking/unspiking himself to create the bands so he can access the powers. Sure, he could, but why bother? He manages far more by conning others into doing things for him. He inspires loyalty; just convince some Ferrings to do it for you! Unless he had a really good reason to be overpowered, I don’t see him bothering with it. Which is why I think he found another means of gaining those powers. Specifically, the original way. He held Preservation; he should know (or have a vague, half remembered idea) of how that happened. He remembers quite a bit about Hemalurgy, which he wasn’t focusing on and wasn’t Preservation’s system. Feruchemy is shared between the two; I find it highly unlikely that Kell has no idea as to how one goes about acquiring it. As an aside, I think the cruelest thing that could be done to Kell is to remove his ability to communicate. He sees himself as a manipulator and con artist. It’s far more integral to him than any power set could be. Take that away... and who is he?

Ah. Thanks. I forgot about that; it’s been awhile.

The question we should be asking about Felt on Roshar is why he doesn’t have Shin eyes.

Don’t feel too bad; the one time he was close enough and the Sabbath ended early enough for me to go, I was recovering from labor. It feels like he goes to England more often than New York!

My daughter has brain damage and can’t properly regulate her temperature. Her average temperature is about 97.5 degrees F. It regularly drops to 96. A serious fever is over 100 degrees, because she so rarely reaches that point. She has an overactive cooling system and an under active heating system. Her room needs to be about 80 degrees all the time. She actually has gotten better; when she first got ill she had to be under a warming blanket all the time. Now we just need to take precautions. Except in summer; she’s fine and we’re boiling. (And I run into major issues, since when I’m too hot I faint. So we can’t be in the same room for extended periods.) I WISH this was a preference. Sadly, it’s not. Hopefully she’ll continue to recover. It’s hard to find doctors to help though; most people with this issue are elderly or have it as a side effect of certain illnesses (like cancer.) There really aren’t doctors who specialize in this issue, especially with young children. It’s not a very common thing, so don’t feel bad for misunderstanding. She was also brain dead for three days, and then started having brain activity again, which generally doesn’t happen either. So she’s not exactly a normal situation.

True. But it does give us a fairly good limit on how hot it can get.

That’s why I think he did something with the weather. He had to keep wherever they were cool enough for water to exist. It’s not just the SoScads - he had to create a sustainable environment. So water, food, etc. And none of it was genetically modified and, even if there was some Spiritual alteration, that still doesn’t explain where they were getting water from. Nevermind that the South is apparently a rainforest now... or part of it is, anyway. I wonder what happened to the water vapor... based on those words of Brandon, Scadrial should have resembled Venus - and no one was surviving that. That’s why I think we need more information. Some of this just doesn’t make sense.

@Config2 They were at the Southern MAGNETIC pole. Since the Northern one was low enough for normal day/night cycles, the Southern one would have been high enough for the same. I doubt the Oceans were boiling like a pot of hot water. Otherwise they would have boiled out, and the world would have grown increasingly hot as vapor built in the atmosphere. No one is surviving Venus type conditions at either pole! We need water. So however hot it got, it could not have gotten so hot that there would not be water. Nor could it have been so hot that animals and plants died; the Southerners were not modified to eat the created foods. So we are stuck with a survivable desert; a place where plants, like cacti, and animals, like lizards, can survive. In most of those places humans can survive. Rashek could have done something with the weather actually. A perpetual cold front, or a Summer arctic jet stream, might have been enough to cool the area. Certain topographical features could have cooled things down too. I also suspect that the Southerners lived primarily underground and were nocturnal. Btw, did the continents drown after Rashek moved the world close to the sun? You’d think it would have... The next time I get a leather bound, I’m asking Brandon what the average temperature was at the Southern Magnetic Pole. And at the equator. Unless someone else can ask him first...

That’s why I think we need to know how hot the average temperature in the South was. We don’t know if the seas boiled all the time, or only under the correct conditions. It was almost certainly only a surface boil though. The reason I believe they acclimated somewhat already is because, if my elder daughter went out unprotected in frigid snow, she would be hypothermic within ten minutes. The SoScads survived much longer (hours, if not days.) If they still had such strong reactions to the cold, they would have likely all been dead within the hour.

My older daughter CAN freeze to death in mildly cold weather. And it didn’t require genetic manipulation, but manipulation of her brain chemistry (due to brain damage.) Even a few degrees can make a very big difference. Freeze to death is a misnomer, by the way. They don’t literally freeze; they become hypothermic very quickly, which implies an overactive cooling system and under active heating system. It’s a very extreme version of New Yorkers finding 50 degree weather comfortable, while Floridians are wearing heavy jackets. (I found it hysterical; we were at Disney, and you knew EXACTLY who came from a colder clime and who came from a warmer one.) Humans are surprisingly adaptable. The Southerners are beginning to acclimate, with the changes reversing. Otherwise they would never have survived as long as they did in the snow. An important missing factor is how hot the South actually was. My guess is 100/110 degrees average (around the Summer in the Sahara.) In the summer it gets much hotter, but probably not usually as hot as Death Valley has been known to get. It can’t be much hotter, or there would not be enough water for survival. However hot it was, it was not too much above the boiling point of water.

My older daughter can freeze to death in weather I wouldn’t wear a sweater in. I don’t think we need to go crazy for an explanation when this is a real life phenomena.

My older daughter has the exact same issue as the Southern Scadrians. It was caused by brain damage. She can freeze in weather I wouldn’t wear a sweater in. An easier reason is that the people who naturally tended to get cold survived the heat better and the Southerners evolved to have lower body temperatures. So now they normally run about 95/96 degrees Fahrenheit, and easily become hypothermic.

Considering Ham’s personality, he may have refused to accept such titles.

Preservation didn’t stab Elend. Kelsier did; I suspect Kell would have liked Sazed too much to stab him if it had been relevant. Which it isn’t. If Saze has made it to the Well, everything would have happened exactly as it did + 1 observer. Why? Because Saze thought Vin was the HOA and would have had her enter the pool anyway. Then Kell still stabs Elend because: a: Vin loves Elend, b: Kell likes Saze more, and c: Saze has F-Gold already. And Vin still releases the Power, and Fuzz shows Vin how to save Elend. A Lerasium powered Sazed would likely have been Fullborn. So obscenely overpowered, as demonstrated by the Bands of Mourning.