Kingsdaughter613

You can get addicted to I’m getting serious deja vu vibes.

Kell coming back was not an issue, as we had YEARS of foreshadowing. We’ve known he was around since HoA; the big surprise was that he had a body again. Szeth was not annoying, as I consider him coming back to life in the same way the doctors resuscitated my daughter. Ie. Not actually a resurrection. Unless we want to argue my daughter was resurrected a half dozen or so times. In which case: one week at a hospital has more resurrections than the comic book industry. Jasnah annoyed me, as it came out of nowhere. Brandon admitted this one was a mistake, and he should have made her not-death obvious, as it was originally. Gavilar being alive on the villain’s side is fine with me (with foreshadowing), as Odium does this to his allies. (See: all the Fused.) Not on the good guys’ side though!

I’m in agreement on Lirin becoming Radiant, but not on him switching his opinions on War.

The memory in the Coppermind continues. What if it reveals that Kell had a Southern family? He might not want that known, but then the medallions become something he left for his kids. Obviously, this is a totally random guess, but I find Kell being the Sovereign too obvious, particularly when Gold-healing means he couldn’t even dye his hair - and he didn’t bother to hide his scars at all! Regarding translation: that’s why I mentioned Konig vs. Jarl. A Jarl was a chieftan, leader of a tribe or Princedom. A Konig is a king. Based on the societal structure of Southern Scadrians, they were more likely to have Jarlene than Konige. (I’m using the Germanic names, as SoScads seem to have a Germanic language.) North Scadrial lacks the concept of a Princedom. King could easily be the closest translation to Jarl, but a LOT of things could translate to Jarl.

Letting someone he hates take the credit is also very unlike Kell. We don’t actually know what Hoid wanted to reveal with the Coppermind; only that something in it was something Kell didn’t want getting out. That Kelsier had remained active cannot be the reason, because the Survivorists already believed he was. That Survivor and Sovereign are the same... maybe. But the memory continues beyond the point where Wax dropped the coin... Alik is not the most accurate source of info. He says ‘yes?’ when the groups mentions the Lord Ruler, which always indicated confusion to me. Plus there’s a double translation issue going on: Whatever Kell told the Southerners got translated and then whatever Alik says gets translated. Some words/concepts come across very differently in different cultures. ‘King’ would mean something very different to a people who lack one. For example: Kell could have said something like ‘I was the leader of the Skaa,’ which translates to Jarl (Earl/Prince, but in the old Germanic sense), which backwards translates to King (because NScadrial lacks Princes)... but isn’t what was actually said at all. I want to know what the exact words used were. Note that South Scadrial shouldn’t have had the concept of a king, based on how their society appears to have been shaped. Also, if Kell didn’t want people to figure it out, why all the spear imagery? He definitely wanted people to think the Bands were the Lord Rulers, but I’m not so certain he wanted them to think the Sovereign was. There’s something off about the whole situation... Next time I get to ask Brandon a question, I’m asking if Konig or Jarl would be more accurate to Allik’s intent. As an aside, the statue is useless for analysis purposes. It’s stone, on a mountain with regular snowstorms. Wind and water erosion mean the features should be too vague to tell who the statue is meant to be of. Wax and co. assumed it was of the person they expected, but there’s no way to say from the statue itself. If the statue IS truly intact... I want to know which magic system did it and how. We need WAY more information.

I think you want to claim to be a smoker. It gives you the most versatility.

I always thought that was the easy part: Spook stabs Kell in the Cognitive Realm.

The two things are pronounced differently: 1: Ati/Ruin pronounced Ah - tee 2: Aon Ati pronounced Ay-tie Aons have two hard vowels. (Ay-own. (Aon) Ee-nee. (Ene) Ray-oh. (Rao) Eye-ree. (Ire) Etc.)

This took me until Allik stated the Sovereign telling them NOT to do something meant he wanted them to do it. At that point I dropped my kindle (on my bed) and started screeching about Kelsier being back. I honestly thought it was pretty obvious.

Can we discuss the fact that the excerpt suggests that Kal goes back to being a surgeon?

About a decade before the Holocaust there was a massacre in Hungary. That ‘modern’ enough? There were pogroms after the Holocaust, too.

This is my history, so I actually know it. The conflict goes back to the Roman Empire. Between Crusades you had blood libels and exiles, in addition to the regular persecution. We weren’t allowed to do most business, and we could only live in a few places. Forced conversions weren’t uncommon. This went on for a really long time. Christmas was a pretty common time for massacres. The first Crusade was in the late 1000’s; the Bubonic plague (first outbreak) was later. There is a lot of fascinating, and horrific, Jewish history here, if you are interested in studying it.

Peaceful was an exception, not the rule for Jewish/Christian relationships. It’s rather hard to find an inch of European soil NOT stained with Jewish blood. When you find it, it’s usually because no Jews ever lived there... Mostly bloody, occasionally peaceful is more accurate. Survivorist/Pathian relationships are MUCH better.

Every Ashkenazi Jew is the fifth or sixth cousin genetically of every other Ashkenazi Jew. There was very little influx, as converts were usually killed (along with the town) by Christians. Most converts happened very early. Ashkenazi Jewry is only half European; the other half of their DNA is Middle Eastern. The initial group started with four to eight families. Hemophilia is only homozygous in women. Men will get it if they get a single copy of the faulty gene. The only way to prevent is either a: prevent carriers from marrying or b: pre-natal genetic testing and abortion of all male carriers or c: in-vitro. WHY does everyone bring this one up when discussing inbreeding? It makes no sense due to how it’s inherited! It doesn’t matter how unrelated you are; if mom is a carrier, her son has a 50% chance of getting the disease! Feel free to bring up Tay-Sachs and Cystic Fibrosis though. BTW, my husband and I are as closely related as Spook’s descendants; we are both descended from the same Rabbi who lived in the 1700’s. I found out after we had two kids, but wasn’t very surprised. We ARE Ashkenazi Jews; it was inevitable.

Birth trauma, most likely. It was enough to snap Vin. Lowering the snapping threshold would enable infants to Snap due to being born.

That one felt more like a King Arthur myth/‘Nordic’ mythology, from what little we know of it. I think Kell took a more political role (as he actually ruled) there. He also seems to have tried to explain some things, but it got lost in translation... or Allik just really wasn’t paying attention in school. An Islam equivalent would be a religion that, say, worships Vin, but also venerates Kell and acknowledges Saze as God. I’m not sure we have one yet, and we may not get one... Unless that’s what the Set is trying to set up.

Depends on the size of the initial gene pool. Inbreeding does NOT work the way people think it does. (See Ashkenazi Jewry, who started with six to ten families, for an example.)

The biggest issue with White Sand were the artists adapting it. And the multiple artists. The third book was probably the best in terms of that. Also, I don’t think Brandon was directly involved in the translation to a visual medium. Mario Puzo helped write The Godfather’s screenplay, and it was wonderful. How well these adaptations work often depends on how willing the author is hear constructive criticism, and how good the director is at interpreting it. I’m actually more concerned about who the director is.

This, and the way the two communities work, is part of why it’s always reminded me of the relationship between Judaism (Path) and Christianity (Survivor). Makes you wonder which is the Islam equivalent in the relationship.

F. Nicrosil and A. Electrum would work. Use Nicrosil to store the Electrum investiture, then pull it all out at once while burning for a massive surge...

I’d argue that the soul is separate from the three realms, but doesn’t go beyond until the person dies on all three. Since both the Beyond and the existence of a soul are really matters of faith, not realmatics.

“I do not mind. It has been many ages since last I had cause you care for young ones, but I trust I have not utterly forgotten the manner of it.”

The reason I didn’t think they resembled the Amish is two fold: first, they live in an enclave within the city; second, they are not opposed to modern innovations, but they wish to remain separate from modern culture.

LotR gave a very good explanation for why the ring’s destruction would depower (not kill) Sauron. It’s because he put so much of his power into it, and losing that power would cripple him until the end of time - literally, as he’ll get better after Morgoth gets free. What about this is not a good explanation? The ring didn’t come from nowhere; Sauron created it with the unwitting help of the grandson of the greatest elven Smith of all time. It was infused with Sauron’s power and enhanced that power, a trick he learned from his master, Morgoth, who did this to the entire world (planet?) After the Ring was destroyed Sauron was drawn into the Void where his master resides. After his first defeat, he was left too weak to manifest a physical form for centuries (which, being a Maia (angel) is not his natural state.) He will be released at Dagor Dagorath. I’m pretty sure the books explained some of this stuff... The Silmarillion and HoME explain the rest - extensively! @The Silverlight Scholar Breeze is actually a full noble, which leads to its own set of interesting discussions.

The way the Terris live in their own enclave, practice their own culture, and discourage (as of recent times) intermarriage, as well as getting too involved in the outside world, is similar to Orthodox Jews (and a few other, less known groups). No clue if that was intentional though.