Kingsdaughter613

Wait, really?! Um... Okay. Did not expect that... This character is involved in events on Roshar.

Wayne.

@AonDii Your turn!

Gallant?

The Mists (The Moon) The Mists represent Illusion and Intuition. Preservation, to whom the Mists once belonged, is presented on this card. The name predates the Catacendre, though the current image is a more recent invention. Scadrial doesn’t have a moon. Which was rather annoying when I got to this card.

Too much Kaladin chasing nodes.

@Nameless We need a fifth hint or the answer.

I would. We haven’t seen him in a mainline Mistborn book since TFE, so any change would have to be onscreen. Not everyone reads other series or the WoB. So whatever Kell is now has to be a natural outgrowth of TFE Kelsier. Also, I picked up on the GB/Kelsier connection due to personality alone in 2014. So I don’t quite get why anyone would think any of this is OOC for him; it’s EXACTLY what he would do. There’s a reason some of us picked up on it in WoR. The GBs are very reminiscent of MB crew in a way I can’t quite explain. With regard to Lin though: indications are that he was recruited BEFORE he became abusive. I don’t think it’s reasonable for Kelsier to expected to know that Lady Davar would attempt to murder her daughter, Shallan to kill her mom, and Lin to take the blame, the stress and trauma of which would lead Lin to become abusive. And it’s unclear how much the GBs knew of the abuse once it started, and Kelsier’s opinions are likely warped by being raised in a society where beating your kids to near death was normal. And Kelsier doesn’t abandon his friends or crew members. BTW: guys, keep in mind the society where Kelsier grew up. He’s not going to consider a 15 & 1/2 year old a child if she can fight. He might not agree with people beating their kids, but he’s not going to see it as horrific in the way we do. He’s going to see the world through the lens of the Final Empire. One of the big differences in perspective is that Rosharan society is much better than TFE Scadrial’s. From a Rosharan perspective beating your kids is abnormal. From a TFE Scadrian one it’s a standard right of passage for Noble children. And Kelsier grew up in the latter world.

The GBs near Kell are rather different than the ones outside his direct influence. Which makes a lot of sense when you consider how he works.

He could have passed his bond too.

Saze specifically teases that there are two more to be discovered. So I suspect it was Kell who told him which ones they were.

Harry sighed. “Yeah... I kind of figured.” Kelsier smiled. “Speaking as a famous person myself, that’s why you want to have friends who can see beyond that. Who see you. And who won’t let you get too full of yourself.” His smile broadened and he extended his hand. “Personally, I ‘ave no idea who you are. I just like making friends.”

Middle Eastern/Far Eastern mix. So... basically not Sub-Saharan African, but everything else is technically accurate. More yellow and green tinted skin than pink, probably. And the eyes are more Far than Middle Eastern in terms of the angle. In terms of skin shades though, everything from fair to very dark brown goes, as Middle Eastern and Far Eastern skin runs the gamut. Jasnah did not look white, btw. She actually looked Middle Eastern and I was very happy to see it.

To mess with Kelsier’s plans.

I’m playing him the same either way. Thaidakar is just a title; he’s still himself. I just get to talk about all his extra-Scadrian activities.

Harry shook his head. “We just met.” Draco nodded. “I know of him, of course. But who doesn’t?”

The purple book? (Since I’m too tired to go down and check?) If yes, I wonder if there were different bindings of variable quality.

Mine has been fine...? Which edition/publisher are your books from? I’d like to know which version not to buy.

I don’t think Kelsier would like him much. He killed one friend to drive another to suicide. Kelsier holds friendship and loyalty to one’s friends as important values. He’d sympathize with Moash, but he wouldn’t want him on his team. A man who will betray his friends to the extent Moash has is not a man Kelsier could trust. And trust is very important to Kell. He’d also see Moash as weak for giving up his pain to Odium. And be disgusted by the way Moash happily accepted another form of slavery because he perceived his new master’s as honorable. Moash is not the kind of man Kelsier would be interested in recruiting. @Rainier Thanks for the Tolkien quote. No one quite writes like he did. There was something so special about his writing. He also wrote two of the most sympathetic villains ever. When mass murderers - who have massacred refugees - are some of people’s favorite and most beloved characters despite their crimes... you know you’ve done something right. Here’s to Maedhros and Maglor! And following said refugee massacre Cano adopted Elrond and Elros, children of a woman he and his brother drove to suicide. “And love grew between them, as little might be thought.” And then the brothers killed more elves going after gemstones (well, Maglor did it for Maedhros), despite their regret. Absolutely fascinating, complex and sympathetic characters. All the Silm characters are. The brothers entire fall to villainy should be a standard, really. THIS is how you write sympathetic villains people! And how you give them redemptive elements without redemption. After all, Maitimo went to his fiery grave with the Silmaril clutched to his chest. As for Macalaure... well, they say he still wanders in sorrow and regret along the shores of Endore. And perhaps he has found redemption of a sort, for he cast his gem away into the sea. Ulmo would like to request that people stop doing this, btw. (Cough... looking at you Rosharans... cough)

The Ascendant Warrior (The Star) The Ascendant Warrior represents Hope, Faith and Renewal as she slowly descends into the Mists. This card is sometimes called the Ascendant’s Field. It is paired with The Last Emperor to form Scadrial’s second unique trump.

The blonde boy sniffed haughtily. “I know of them.” ”Ah,” Kelsier said sagely. “So you don’t actually know them.“ ”Well... No.” Draco admitted, a flush coloring his pale face. “Not personally.” ”You shouldn’t judge people you don’t know,” Harry said pointedly, causing Draco’s blush to darken.

Strength Strength does not represent physical strength. Instead it symbolizes inner strength and courage. For the people of Scadrial, this is best represented by Elend’s decision to give up his crown in favor of his integrity. On the desk before Elend is the symbol for pewter, representing strength, the crown he is giving up, and a scroll for the law he is obeying. On the scroll is the Cosmere symbol, here symbolizing eternity. The red banner and the black walls are symbolic of the World of Ash, in which Elend reigned. On the tapestry is the symbol for Electrum, indicating Elend’s wisdom and foresight in creating a government of law commanded by the people. The Pre-Catacendre versions of this card showed a noblewoman subduing a koloss. Even then it was intended to mean internal strength, though it was often misinterpreted. It is unclear exactly when the card began taking on its present form, though it went through several iterations prior. This is one of the original cards I created, so the symbology is basically a bunch of educated guesses based on what I can recall from four years ago.

I actually think Honor+Odium=Retribution, which contains elements of both concepts. Their Rhythm is War, but Rhythm does not have to have the same name as the Shard.

You could probably use it to manipulate the Mists. We should ask Kelsier; he’s probably tried it. (Anyone else really, really, REALLY want Secret History 2?)

Veil is as dead as Shallan. They integrated and are now one Identity again.